UPDATED DAILY : UK CORONAVIRUS - UPDATED 29/10/22

by skidemin » Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:19 am

Scoularite wrote:
I just don't get how some people still seem to think that covid is no worse than flu and that the media are responsible for beefing the story up to scare the people for some reason. Maybe one of them could explain why the media would want to do it - what's in it for them, why governments all around the world are falling for it when having to take preventative action that is murdering their economies ( apart from Trump when in office, and the president of Brazil who, like Trump, also believes that Global Warming is a myth), why the World Health Organisation is pleading for vaccinations to be given to poorer countries, and what appears to be the vast majority of medical experts seem to be concerned about further mutations.

In particular, why are so many people with other major medical problems being denied timely treatment because the Health Boards across the country have also apparently been conned by the media? Are all the medical staff apparently all falling for this so-called scare-mongering?





well i dont get how i keep reading the claim ...some people claim its no worse than the flu ..its said far far more than ive actually read someone say it...its chuck enough mud and hope some will stick .. ...
you want to know why our media sensationalise everything ... maybe its to sell papers / get viewers ?
in this case sections of our MSM were reporting people dropping dead in the street in China in early March 2020
and reporting Italys hospitals were over run with patients dying in corridors , no doubt a couple of their hospitals were but Italys health service is pretty decent and overall have coped despite having to deal with 10 times the amount of patients that they were having to deal with in those early reports.... more recently India seemed to be their go to place for scaremongering but that came and went when Indias huge deaths and cases didnt materialise....they scared the crap out of a lot of people , some i think will never feel safe again....
no idea what trump,, brazil or global warming have to do with covid .... might as well have thrown neil harris/ durban and scoular in...
skidemin

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Firstly, as far as Trump and Brazil are concerned, you might remember that they were the 2 world leaders who disputed the impact of covid.

As far as the comparison between flu and covid goes, the annual flu deaths as published Dec. 13 in The Lancet medical journal were that seasonal flu kills 291,000 to 646,000 people worldwide each year, according to a new estimate that's higher than the previous one of 250,000 to 500,000 deaths a year. These deaths would normally be with large numbers of people having already taken a flu jab and not having been in any sort of lockdown.

With the advent of covid and no initial vaccinations available, almost immediate lockdowns for the most elderly and vulnerable followed by significant lockdowns for the general population, and the introduction of facemasks to prevent carriers passing on any infections, flu rates were naturally going to drop - no mystery. On the other hand, the World Health Organisation latest deaths from covid are 4,136,518, and still climbing as many countries are moving into yet another "spike" in infections, such as Japan where you might have noticed that there are no spectators at the Olympics.

Then, do you really think that putting virtually the same story in all the newspapers day after day would help to sell more papers?

And as far as cases not materializing in India is concerned, I would say that 31.4 million reported cases and 421 thousand deaths are hardly insignificant, particularly as it led to the start of the Indian variant, now regarded as one of the most contagious strains of covid.

you do realise how much bigger Indias population is compared to ours ? roughly 20 times...
yes 421k is a big number but roughly 40 times as many Indians have died of other causes during the same period...
their deaths per million people are 1 sixth of what we have here and cases 1 quarter...

Just some food for thought today for those people still uncertain as to whether to take the coronavirus vaccine.

Please read the very sad story of Brian Lynch, the 46 year old removal firm boss who did not take the vaccine.
He was quoted as saying he wasn't an anti-vaxxer, but wanted more data on the vaccines effect before agreeing to have it.
His quote, prior to his death stating:
'I'll be honest, I thought it was the vulnerable and elderly who got hospitalised.'
'Well as I found out the hard way my oxygen levels went down to 52% and I could not get my breath'
' So anyone who had similar thoughts about the vaccine as I had, I have to say this, I hope it doesn't get you.'

Obviously 99% of people have made up their mind whether to have the jab or not, but this is just for those who aren't sure.
The full story was in the media over the last day or so.

yep the media is full of this stuff...and not so much about very genuine side effects ...
so why just like this are there not emotive individual accounts from people who desperately wanted to be vaccinated who certainly wouldnt if they could turn the clock back.....
side effects seem rare....as are 40 odd year olds in hospital with covid ..

What has the media to gain from printing many of these true stories and not of negative effects of the vaccine?
From the way you respond, I assume you either chosen not to have the jab from the knowledge you had gained; or maybe you were jabbed and for some reason, you now regret it.
In addition, do you believe the vaccine has not helped to save lives during this pandemic?
Can you enlighten us?

Just some food for thought today for those people still uncertain as to whether to take the coronavirus vaccine.

Please read the very sad story of Brian Lynch, the 46 year old removal firm boss who did not take the vaccine.
He was quoted as saying he wasn't an anti-vaxxer, but wanted more data on the vaccines effect before agreeing to have it.
His quote, prior to his death stating:
'I'll be honest, I thought it was the vulnerable and elderly who got hospitalised.'
'Well as I found out the hard way my oxygen levels went down to 52% and I could not get my breath'
' So anyone who had similar thoughts about the vaccine as I had, I have to say this, I hope it doesn't get you.'

Obviously 99% of people have made up their mind whether to have the jab or not, but this is just for those who aren't sure.
The full story was in the media over the last day or so.

yep the media is full of this stuff...and not so much about very genuine side effects ...
so why just like this are there not emotive individual accounts from people who desperately wanted to be vaccinated who certainly wouldnt if they could turn the clock back.....
side effects seem rare....as are 40 odd year olds in hospital with covid ..

What has the media to gain from printing many of these true stories and not of negative effects of the vaccine?
From the way you respond, I assume you either chosen not to have the jab from the knowledge you had gained; or maybe you were jabbed and for some reason, you now regret it.
In addition, do you believe the vaccine has not helped to save lives during this pandemic?
Can you enlighten us?

not jabbed.. and really hope that the vaccine has helped its not the good it might do is the issue its how much bad it might also do..... do i believe its helped ? .at this point the jury is out...if the virus had arrived and been a steady killer it would be clear but there have been peaks and troughs and just like now this time last year was a trough... only last years trough { pre vaccine } there were considerably less deaths and less cases... first 9 days of August last year 100 deaths....same period this year 700 deaths...... cases 2020 ....7,600 cases ...2021..138,000 cases....

Just some food for thought today for those people still uncertain as to whether to take the coronavirus vaccine.

Please read the very sad story of Brian Lynch, the 46 year old removal firm boss who did not take the vaccine.
He was quoted as saying he wasn't an anti-vaxxer, but wanted more data on the vaccines effect before agreeing to have it.
His quote, prior to his death stating:
'I'll be honest, I thought it was the vulnerable and elderly who got hospitalised.'
'Well as I found out the hard way my oxygen levels went down to 52% and I could not get my breath'
' So anyone who had similar thoughts about the vaccine as I had, I have to say this, I hope it doesn't get you.'

Obviously 99% of people have made up their mind whether to have the jab or not, but this is just for those who aren't sure.
The full story was in the media over the last day or so.

Yeah obv a lot of people have made up their minds that there are no severe or genuine side effects from the vaccine! Like, we have been vaccinated our whole life since we are a kid! Also, the media always sensationalized everything about this pandemic, from new cases to the vaccine side effects!

Just some food for thought today for those people still uncertain as to whether to take the coronavirus vaccine.

Please read the very sad story of Brian Lynch, the 46 year old removal firm boss who did not take the vaccine.
He was quoted as saying he wasn't an anti-vaxxer, but wanted more data on the vaccines effect before agreeing to have it.
His quote, prior to his death stating:
'I'll be honest, I thought it was the vulnerable and elderly who got hospitalised.'
'Well as I found out the hard way my oxygen levels went down to 52% and I could not get my breath'
' So anyone who had similar thoughts about the vaccine as I had, I have to say this, I hope it doesn't get you.'

Obviously 99% of people have made up their mind whether to have the jab or not, but this is just for those who aren't sure.
The full story was in the media over the last day or so.

yep the media is full of this stuff...and not so much about very genuine side effects ...
so why just like this are there not emotive individual accounts from people who desperately wanted to be vaccinated who certainly wouldnt if they could turn the clock back.....
side effects seem rare....as are 40 odd year olds in hospital with covid ..

What has the media to gain from printing many of these true stories and not of negative effects of the vaccine?
From the way you respond, I assume you either chosen not to have the jab from the knowledge you had gained; or maybe you were jabbed and for some reason, you now regret it.
In addition, do you believe the vaccine has not helped to save lives during this pandemic?
Can you enlighten us?

not jabbed.. and really hope that the vaccine has helped its not the good it might do is the issue its how much bad it might also do..... do i believe its helped ? .at this point the jury is out...if the virus had arrived and been a steady killer it would be clear but there have been peaks and troughs and just like now this time last year was a trough... only last years trough { pre vaccine } there were considerably less deaths and less cases... first 9 days of August last year 100 deaths....same period this year 700 deaths...... cases 2020 ....7,600 cases ...2021..138,000 cases....

The cases being larger is because the virulence of the virus has increased massively. The deaths haven’t matched it proportionally because of vaccines.

Just some food for thought today for those people still uncertain as to whether to take the coronavirus vaccine.

Please read the very sad story of Brian Lynch, the 46 year old removal firm boss who did not take the vaccine.
He was quoted as saying he wasn't an anti-vaxxer, but wanted more data on the vaccines effect before agreeing to have it.
His quote, prior to his death stating:
'I'll be honest, I thought it was the vulnerable and elderly who got hospitalised.'
'Well as I found out the hard way my oxygen levels went down to 52% and I could not get my breath'
' So anyone who had similar thoughts about the vaccine as I had, I have to say this, I hope it doesn't get you.'

Obviously 99% of people have made up their mind whether to have the jab or not, but this is just for those who aren't sure.
The full story was in the media over the last day or so.

yep the media is full of this stuff...and not so much about very genuine side effects ...
so why just like this are there not emotive individual accounts from people who desperately wanted to be vaccinated who certainly wouldnt if they could turn the clock back.....
side effects seem rare....as are 40 odd year olds in hospital with covid ..

What has the media to gain from printing many of these true stories and not of negative effects of the vaccine?
From the way you respond, I assume you either chosen not to have the jab from the knowledge you had gained; or maybe you were jabbed and for some reason, you now regret it.
In addition, do you believe the vaccine has not helped to save lives during this pandemic?
Can you enlighten us?

not jabbed.. and really hope that the vaccine has helped its not the good it might do is the issue its how much bad it might also do..... do i believe its helped ? .at this point the jury is out...if the virus had arrived and been a steady killer it would be clear but there have been peaks and troughs and just like now this time last year was a trough... only last years trough { pre vaccine } there were considerably less deaths and less cases... first 9 days of August last year 100 deaths....same period this year 700 deaths...... cases 2020 ....7,600 cases ...2021..138,000 cases....

The cases being larger is because the virulence of the virus has increased massively. The deaths haven’t matched it proportionally because of vaccines.

In addition, the troughs of last summer and again this late spring followed two long lock-downs irrespective of whether you believed the lock-downs should have happened or not.
Without those lock-downs, I'm sure it would have proved more of a 'steady killer' as the virus mutated.

But to return to my original point, their are many more instances of unvaccinated people who have been seriously ill with the virus with some who have died, being reported by the media almost daily as you appear to agree yourself.... Another example today was of the Cardiff guy, Francis Goncalves who lost his mother, father and 40 year old brother in just one week; all of whom had chosen to avoid the jab.
He stated his brother was 'the healthiest person he knew.'
Considering nearly 90% have opted to take the jab and a fair percentage of the remaining 10% could not have it for health reasons, their still seems a lot of these situations developed amongst anti-vaxxers that surely can't be overlooked..

About fime gheh dropped the PCR rests after being abroad as companies are ripping off the public now by charging upto £500! Are they serving a purpose now people mixing regulations have been scrapped?

Spot On Allan -

PCR tests are more expensive than lateral flow tests and have been criticised by some in the travel industry for pricing many potential travellers out.

The government has previously defended their use, saying they are useful as they can be sequenced to check for variants of concern, unlike lateral flow tests.

But some have criticised the government, saying they are not sequencing enough tests.

Last week, Conservative MP Huw Merriman, chair of the Transport select committee, said they should be dropped.

"PCR tests can be two to three times the cost of lateral flow testing. It's pricing out holidays for those that don't have the means to pay for those tests," he said.

"I wouldn't mind if the tests were going to be used for sequencing, so we can find all variants of concern, but if only 5% of PCR tests are being sequenced, then surely it's a complete waste of money."

I’m abroad in a couple of weeks.
Antigen test - £29
PCR test - £69

It’s shocking.
Also the NHS tests which are free are not allowed to travel even though they are all tested at the same labs!

About fime gheh dropped the PCR rests after being abroad as companies are ripping off the public now by charging upto £500! Are they serving a purpose now people mixing regulations have been scrapped?

Spot On Allan -

PCR tests are more expensive than lateral flow tests and have been criticised by some in the travel industry for pricing many potential travellers out.

The government has previously defended their use, saying they are useful as they can be sequenced to check for variants of concern, unlike lateral flow tests.

But some have criticised the government, saying they are not sequencing enough tests.

Last week, Conservative MP Huw Merriman, chair of the Transport select committee, said they should be dropped.

"PCR tests can be two to three times the cost of lateral flow testing. It's pricing out holidays for those that don't have the means to pay for those tests," he said.

"I wouldn't mind if the tests were going to be used for sequencing, so we can find all variants of concern, but if only 5% of PCR tests are being sequenced, then surely it's a complete waste of money."

Tony! starmer called out boris over english being ripped off over pcr tests ? Yet his own party in wales are ripping off us because we here in wales can only use nhs pcr tests otherwise get £1000 fine and they cost more than those in England!
Hypocrites springs to mind ...

Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine: rare blood clot syndrome has a high mortality rate. Researchers found that clots occurring after first dose of Oxford jab affected otherwise young and healthy people.

Although extremely rare, a blood clot syndrome after the first dose of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine carries a high risk of death and can occur in otherwise young and healthy people, UK researchers have found.

In those aged under 50, this blood clot syndrome occur in around one in 50,000 people who have received the vaccine, and that number falls to one in 100,000 in the over 50s, data suggests. But the risk of blood clots is much higher with Covid itself — research shows that more than a fifth of hospitalised patients with Covid have evidence of blood clots.

Researchers examined the symptoms, signs and outcomes in 220 confirmed and probable cases who presented in UK hospitals between 22 March and 6 June.

“It’s important to stress that this kind of reaction to the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine is very rare,” said Dr Sue Pavord, consultant haematologist at Oxford University Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust and lead author of the analysis published in the New England Journal of Medicine.

But for those who do develop blood clots, the results “can be devastating,” she added. “It often affects young, otherwise healthy vaccine recipients and has high mortality. It is particularly dangerous when the patient has a low platelet count and bleeding in the brain.”

“It can affect anybody,” added Beverley Hunt, medical director of Thrombosis UK and professor of thrombosis and haemostasis at King’s College London.

50% of the cases in the analysis had no previous medical illness, and there appeared to be no particular individual risk factors for the syndrome, Hunt said.

Researchers found that the syndrome – named vaccine-induced immune thrombocytopenia and thrombosis (VITT) – killed 23% of the cases analysed. This risk of death increases significantly to 73% in patients with a very low platelet count and brain bleeds after blood clots in the brain, they said.

VITT is similar to the condition sometimes reported in patients treated with the blood thinner heparin, but it seems to be “more aggressive than what we were familiar with,” said Pavord.

The researchers defined VITT based on five criteria, including onset of symptoms 5 to 30 days after vaccination, a low platelet count, and documented presence of a blood clot.

Although there a few reports of a rare blood clotting side-effects after Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine, in the way that VITT has been defined – these cases appear to be only associated with the Oxford/AstraZeneca jab, the researchers also said.

“We’ve kept an open mind,” said Dr Catherine Bagot, consultant haematologist at Glasgow Royal Infirmary, and senior clinical lecturer at the University of Glasgow. “The Pfizer vaccine has not – for the cases that we are aware of – been able to meet the definition either of a confirmed case or a probable case.”

In early May, the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) recommended people under the age of 40 be offered an alternative to the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine where possible while infection rates remain low, after reports of very rare blood clots after first shots of the vaccine.

In the 220 confirmed and probable VITT cases in the analysis, ages ranged from 18 to 79 years, with a median of 48 years. About 85% were under the age of 60, despite most of the elderly population having been vaccinated.

But this does not mean the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine should not be given to the under-60s, Pavord said.

“If there’s high prevalence of Covid, more people are likely to end up infected and in critical care, and if they’re over-60, more likely to die. In that case, it makes sense to give Oxford/AstraZeneca to everybody. But when there’s a lower prevalence of Covid, an age limit would be appropriate, she said.

“What is absolutely crucial to consider is the bigger picture – and that is the risk of Covid is much greater for the older age groups.”

Just some food for thought today for those people still uncertain as to whether to take the coronavirus vaccine.

Please read the very sad story of Brian Lynch, the 46 year old removal firm boss who did not take the vaccine.
He was quoted as saying he wasn't an anti-vaxxer, but wanted more data on the vaccines effect before agreeing to have it.
His quote, prior to his death stating:
'I'll be honest, I thought it was the vulnerable and elderly who got hospitalised.'
'Well as I found out the hard way my oxygen levels went down to 52% and I could not get my breath'
' So anyone who had similar thoughts about the vaccine as I had, I have to say this, I hope it doesn't get you.'

Obviously 99% of people have made up their mind whether to have the jab or not, but this is just for those who aren't sure.
The full story was in the media over the last day or so.

yep the media is full of this stuff...and not so much about very genuine side effects ...
so why just like this are there not emotive individual accounts from people who desperately wanted to be vaccinated who certainly wouldnt if they could turn the clock back.....
side effects seem rare....as are 40 odd year olds in hospital with covid ..

What has the media to gain from printing many of these true stories and not of negative effects of the vaccine?
From the way you respond, I assume you either chosen not to have the jab from the knowledge you had gained; or maybe you were jabbed and for some reason, you now regret it.
In addition, do you believe the vaccine has not helped to save lives during this pandemic?
Can you enlighten us?

not jabbed.. and really hope that the vaccine has helped its not the good it might do is the issue its how much bad it might also do..... do i believe its helped ? .at this point the jury is out...if the virus had arrived and been a steady killer it would be clear but there have been peaks and troughs and just like now this time last year was a trough... only last years trough { pre vaccine } there were considerably less deaths and less cases... first 9 days of August last year 100 deaths....same period this year 700 deaths...... cases 2020 ....7,600 cases ...2021..138,000 cases....

Would this not be an argument for the vaccine working? Cases are 20 times higher but deaths only 7 times higher? Also the vaccine doesn’t contain the live virus so increased cases can’t be blamed on the vaccine, unless I’ve misunderstood your point?

Just some food for thought today for those people still uncertain as to whether to take the coronavirus vaccine.

Please read the very sad story of Brian Lynch, the 46 year old removal firm boss who did not take the vaccine.
He was quoted as saying he wasn't an anti-vaxxer, but wanted more data on the vaccines effect before agreeing to have it.
His quote, prior to his death stating:
'I'll be honest, I thought it was the vulnerable and elderly who got hospitalised.'
'Well as I found out the hard way my oxygen levels went down to 52% and I could not get my breath'
' So anyone who had similar thoughts about the vaccine as I had, I have to say this, I hope it doesn't get you.'

Obviously 99% of people have made up their mind whether to have the jab or not, but this is just for those who aren't sure.
The full story was in the media over the last day or so.

yep the media is full of this stuff...and not so much about very genuine side effects ...
so why just like this are there not emotive individual accounts from people who desperately wanted to be vaccinated who certainly wouldnt if they could turn the clock back.....
side effects seem rare....as are 40 odd year olds in hospital with covid ..

What has the media to gain from printing many of these true stories and not of negative effects of the vaccine?
From the way you respond, I assume you either chosen not to have the jab from the knowledge you had gained; or maybe you were jabbed and for some reason, you now regret it.
In addition, do you believe the vaccine has not helped to save lives during this pandemic?
Can you enlighten us?

not jabbed.. and really hope that the vaccine has helped its not the good it might do is the issue its how much bad it might also do..... do i believe its helped ? .at this point the jury is out...if the virus had arrived and been a steady killer it would be clear but there have been peaks and troughs and just like now this time last year was a trough... only last years trough { pre vaccine } there were considerably less deaths and less cases... first 9 days of August last year 100 deaths....same period this year 700 deaths...... cases 2020 ....7,600 cases ...2021..138,000 cases....

Would this not be an argument for the vaccine working? Cases are 20 times higher but deaths only 7 times higher? Also the vaccine doesn’t contain the live virus so increased cases can’t be blamed on the vaccine, unless I’ve misunderstood your point?

yes of course..
94 deaths again today... but its ok because the percentage is going down

Just some food for thought today for those people still uncertain as to whether to take the coronavirus vaccine.

Please read the very sad story of Brian Lynch, the 46 year old removal firm boss who did not take the vaccine.
He was quoted as saying he wasn't an anti-vaxxer, but wanted more data on the vaccines effect before agreeing to have it.
His quote, prior to his death stating:
'I'll be honest, I thought it was the vulnerable and elderly who got hospitalised.'
'Well as I found out the hard way my oxygen levels went down to 52% and I could not get my breath'
' So anyone who had similar thoughts about the vaccine as I had, I have to say this, I hope it doesn't get you.'

Obviously 99% of people have made up their mind whether to have the jab or not, but this is just for those who aren't sure.
The full story was in the media over the last day or so.

yep the media is full of this stuff...and not so much about very genuine side effects ...
so why just like this are there not emotive individual accounts from people who desperately wanted to be vaccinated who certainly wouldnt if they could turn the clock back.....
side effects seem rare....as are 40 odd year olds in hospital with covid ..

What has the media to gain from printing many of these true stories and not of negative effects of the vaccine?
From the way you respond, I assume you either chosen not to have the jab from the knowledge you had gained; or maybe you were jabbed and for some reason, you now regret it.
In addition, do you believe the vaccine has not helped to save lives during this pandemic?
Can you enlighten us?

not jabbed.. and really hope that the vaccine has helped its not the good it might do is the issue its how much bad it might also do..... do i believe its helped ? .at this point the jury is out...if the virus had arrived and been a steady killer it would be clear but there have been peaks and troughs and just like now this time last year was a trough... only last years trough { pre vaccine } there were considerably less deaths and less cases... first 9 days of August last year 100 deaths....same period this year 700 deaths...... cases 2020 ....7,600 cases ...2021..138,000 cases....

Would this not be an argument for the vaccine working? Cases are 20 times higher but deaths only 7 times higher? Also the vaccine doesn’t contain the live virus so increased cases can’t be blamed on the vaccine, unless I’ve misunderstood your point?

yes of course..
94 deaths again today... but its ok because the percentage is going down

That’s the trade off from restrictions and lockdown ending, cases rise. Except now the chance of being hospitalised or dying is decreased (unless you’re saying the rise in cases is due to the vaccine? I dunno if I misunderstood what you meant?). If you want deaths to go back down to August 2020 levels then say bye bye to full capacity football stadiums, concerts, events, pubs/restaurants/cafes/etc operating without distancing and restrictions.

There were like 33, 074 tested positive today and only 94 deaths!

Cost of NHS Covid tests for UK arrivals reduced -

The cost of NHS coronavirus tests for international arrivals to the UK have been reduced, the government has said.

Test and Trace tests have been cut from £88 to £68 for people arriving from green-listed countries and for those coming from amber-listed countries who are fully vaccinated.

Meanwhile, the price of two tests for amber arrivals who have not had both jabs has been cut from £170 to £136.

The prices of all providers of day two and eight tests are to be reviewed.

It comes after Health Secretary Sajid Javid asked the competition watchdog to investigate "excessive" pricing and "exploitative practices" among PCR Covid test firms.

He said misleading pricing will be clamped down on and providers failing to meet necessary standards will be removed from the government's approved list.

Call for Covid vaccination focus on under-30s in Wales -

A senior Welsh doctor says there needs to be a push to encourage younger people who have still not been vaccinated to get their jabs.

According to Public Health Wales, there are still nearly 120,000 people in Wales aged between 18 and 29 who have not had a single dose.

Just over 67% of the Welsh population has now been fully vaccinated.

But GP David Bailey, who chairs the Welsh council of the BMA, said it was vital to reach those unvaccinated.

"That will reduce not just transmission, but also of course, serious illness, which will mean the NHS can get on with the massive backlog we've got to deal with over the next three or four years," said the Caerphilly doctor.

Dr Bailey said he accepted the risks of becoming critically ill from Covid were less for young people, but he said there were still overwhelming benefits of vaccination.

Just some food for thought today for those people still uncertain as to whether to take the coronavirus vaccine.

Please read the very sad story of Brian Lynch, the 46 year old removal firm boss who did not take the vaccine.
He was quoted as saying he wasn't an anti-vaxxer, but wanted more data on the vaccines effect before agreeing to have it.
His quote, prior to his death stating:
'I'll be honest, I thought it was the vulnerable and elderly who got hospitalised.'
'Well as I found out the hard way my oxygen levels went down to 52% and I could not get my breath'
' So anyone who had similar thoughts about the vaccine as I had, I have to say this, I hope it doesn't get you.'

Obviously 99% of people have made up their mind whether to have the jab or not, but this is just for those who aren't sure.
The full story was in the media over the last day or so.

yep the media is full of this stuff...and not so much about very genuine side effects ...
so why just like this are there not emotive individual accounts from people who desperately wanted to be vaccinated who certainly wouldnt if they could turn the clock back.....
side effects seem rare....as are 40 odd year olds in hospital with covid ..

What has the media to gain from printing many of these true stories and not of negative effects of the vaccine?
From the way you respond, I assume you either chosen not to have the jab from the knowledge you had gained; or maybe you were jabbed and for some reason, you now regret it.
In addition, do you believe the vaccine has not helped to save lives during this pandemic?
Can you enlighten us?

not jabbed.. and really hope that the vaccine has helped its not the good it might do is the issue its how much bad it might also do..... do i believe its helped ? .at this point the jury is out...if the virus had arrived and been a steady killer it would be clear but there have been peaks and troughs and just like now this time last year was a trough... only last years trough { pre vaccine } there were considerably less deaths and less cases... first 9 days of August last year 100 deaths....same period this year 700 deaths...... cases 2020 ....7,600 cases ...2021..138,000 cases....

You do realise those peaks and troughs you speak about are partly governed by temperature; in a similar way to the 'flu that so many get annually 'jabbed' for?

Genuine medical reasons apart, I have yet to hear a totally convincing argument for not having the 'jabs' other than pretty anti-establishment ones (no surprise there with some) whilst the evidence shows in most circumstances the 'jabs' have decreased certainly the death rates and the levels of illness when the virus does hit are also significantly lower in most (but not all) cases.

Equally, I am not aware tat I am being constantly monitored by some covert Government Department (let's call it Department C-19 for now ) nor have I felt any other 'controlling' actors in my actions or behaviours...

Joking apart, having had Covid last November and still suffering from its longer-term effects (call it Long Covid or Post-Covid Fatigue Syndrome) I can tell you it isn't a pleasant thing to go through; but hey, WTF do I know in comparison to our (not necessarily aimed at you but if the cap fits) Forum experts, eh?

Just some food for thought today for those people still uncertain as to whether to take the coronavirus vaccine.

Please read the very sad story of Brian Lynch, the 46 year old removal firm boss who did not take the vaccine.
He was quoted as saying he wasn't an anti-vaxxer, but wanted more data on the vaccines effect before agreeing to have it.
His quote, prior to his death stating:
'I'll be honest, I thought it was the vulnerable and elderly who got hospitalised.'
'Well as I found out the hard way my oxygen levels went down to 52% and I could not get my breath'
' So anyone who had similar thoughts about the vaccine as I had, I have to say this, I hope it doesn't get you.'

Obviously 99% of people have made up their mind whether to have the jab or not, but this is just for those who aren't sure.
The full story was in the media over the last day or so.

yep the media is full of this stuff...and not so much about very genuine side effects ...
so why just like this are there not emotive individual accounts from people who desperately wanted to be vaccinated who certainly wouldnt if they could turn the clock back.....
side effects seem rare....as are 40 odd year olds in hospital with covid ..

What has the media to gain from printing many of these true stories and not of negative effects of the vaccine?
From the way you respond, I assume you either chosen not to have the jab from the knowledge you had gained; or maybe you were jabbed and for some reason, you now regret it.
In addition, do you believe the vaccine has not helped to save lives during this pandemic?
Can you enlighten us?

not jabbed.. and really hope that the vaccine has helped its not the good it might do is the issue its how much bad it might also do..... do i believe its helped ? .at this point the jury is out...if the virus had arrived and been a steady killer it would be clear but there have been peaks and troughs and just like now this time last year was a trough... only last years trough { pre vaccine } there were considerably less deaths and less cases... first 9 days of August last year 100 deaths....same period this year 700 deaths...... cases 2020 ....7,600 cases ...2021..138,000 cases....

You do realise those peaks and roughs you speak about are partly governed by temperature; in a similar way to the 'flu that so many get annually 'jabbed' for?

Genuine medical reasons apart, I have yet to hear a totally convincing argument for not having the 'jabs' other than pretty anti-establishment ones (no surprise there with some) whilst the evidence shows in most circumstances the 'jabs' have decreased certainly the death rates and the levels of illness when the virus does hit are also significantly lower in most (but not all) cases.

Equally, I am not aware tat I am being constantly monitored by some covert Government Department (let's call it Department C-19 for now ) nor have I felt any other 'controlling' actors in my actions or behaviours...

Joking apart, having had Covid last November and still suffering from its longer-term effects (call it Long Covid or Post-Covid Fatigue Syndrome) I can tell you it isn't a pleasant thing to go through; but hey, WTF do I know in comparison to our (not necessarily aimed at you but if the cap fits) Forum experts, eh?

Well said Chris

Cost of NHS Covid tests for UK arrivals reduced -

The cost of NHS coronavirus tests for international arrivals to the UK have been reduced, the government has said.

Test and Trace tests have been cut from £88 to £68 for people arriving from green-listed countries and for those coming from amber-listed countries who are fully vaccinated.

Meanwhile, the price of two tests for amber arrivals who have not had both jabs has been cut from £170 to £136.

The prices of all providers of day two and eight tests are to be reviewed.

It comes after Health Secretary Sajid Javid asked the competition watchdog to investigate "excessive" pricing and "exploitative practices" among PCR Covid test firms.

He said misleading pricing will be clamped down on and providers failing to meet necessary standards will be removed from the government's approved list.

Thank you for this update. That £20 difference is already a serve for the economy! I hope also everyone got their jabs done and fully vaccinated.

Covid: All 16 and 17-year-olds in Wales to get jab offer -

All 16 and 17-year-olds in Wales will receive their offer of a coronavirus vaccine by the end of this week, Health Minister Eluned Morgan has said.

It follows guidance from the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) on vaccinating over 16s.

There are about 67,142 people in that age group in Wales.

Walk-in clinics are open throughout Wales so people can receive a dose at their convenience.

So far, just under 22,000 people aged 16 and 17 have been given first doses - nearly a third of the age group.

Meanwhile, about 76% of those aged 18 to 29 have now taken up first doses, but that still leaves nearly 117,350 people.

Covid: All 16 and 17-year-olds in Wales to get jab offer -

All 16 and 17-year-olds in Wales will receive their offer of a coronavirus vaccine by the end of this week, Health Minister Eluned Morgan has said.

It follows guidance from the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) on vaccinating over 16s.

There are about 67,142 people in that age group in Wales.

Walk-in clinics are open throughout Wales so people can receive a dose at their convenience.

So far, just under 22,000 people aged 16 and 17 have been given first doses - nearly a third of the age group.

Meanwhile, about 76% of those aged 18 to 29 have now taken up first doses, but that still leaves nearly 117,350 people.

Walk-in clinics should expand more so that more people can receive the doses of vaccines. I hope that the children can start receiving the vaccines too but surely we are getting there. Thanks for the update!

Britain's daily Covid cases hit highest level for a MONTH: Infections jump by 11% in a week to 36,572 as hospitalisations increase at same pace, while deaths increase by a fifth to 113
Department of Health bosses posted another 36,572 positive tests — up 10.6 per cent on last week's figure
It was the biggest 24-hour count since July 22 (39,906), according to the Government's Covid dashboard
Meanwhile, both hospitalisations and deaths — which lag behind cases by weeks — are still creping upwards
Some 113 victims were added to the Government's official death toll today, up by a fifth on last Thursday
And 804 patients were admitted to hospital on August 15 — up 9 per cent on the previous Sunday
By STEPHEN MATTHEWS HEALTH EDITOR FOR MAILONLINE


Britain's daily Covid cases have hit their highest level for a month as hospitalisations and deaths continue to tick upwards, official figures revealed today.

Department of Health bosses posted another 36,572 positive tests — up 10.6 per cent on last week's figure. It was the biggest 24-hour count since July 22 (39,906).

Meanwhile, both hospitalisations and deaths — which lag several weeks behind cases because of how long it can take for infected patients to become severely ill — are still creping upwards.


Some 113 victims were added to the Government's official death toll today, up by a fifth on last Thursday. And 804 patients were admitted to hospital on August 15, the most recent day figures are available for — up 9 per cent on the previous Sunday.

It comes as health chiefs today estimated almost 100,000 coronavirus deaths have already been prevented by England's landmark vaccine roll-out. Public Health England also believes the jabs have stopped tens of thousands of hospitalisations and millions of infections.

The Government-run agency said the figures — based on modelling by academics — are evidence of just how well the vaccines really work. Health Secretary Sajid Javid hailed the 'phenomenal vaccination programme' for making a 'life-changing difference to tens of millions of people across the country'.

Britain is now gearing up to dish out Covid booster jabs at the start of September, in hopes of keeping immunity high in the face of future flare-ups this autumn and winter. One SAGE expert today warned the high case numbers were 'very worrying' and warned 'we just don't really know what's going to happen' in the coming months.

The US yesterday confirmed all over-18s would be eligible for top-up doses, and Israel — which is currently being battered by a third wave — is already offering over-60s a third jab. There are fears that the vaccines lose potency over time, which some experts have said is part of the reason why Israel is being battered currently.

But No10's top advisers — who met today to discuss the controversial topic — have yet to make a final decision on who should get the jabs, sources say. However, Mr Javid today insisted the UK was going to have a programme and it 'will start sometime in September'.

One member of the expert panel the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) told The Guardian: 'The jury is still very much out on what happens.' Another today hinted the programme would only be open to the most vulnerable adults, and said the inoculation drive could still be expanded to all over-12s.


The roll-out is estimated to have averted between 91,700 and 98,700 deaths, according to the latest estimates from PHE and Cambridge University modellers
The roll-out is estimated to have averted between 91,700 and 98,700 deaths, according to the latest estimates from PHE and Cambridge University modellers

The latest estimates also indicate that the vaccination programme, which kicked off last December, has directly averted more than 82,100 hospital admissions among over-65s
The latest estimates also indicate that the vaccination programme, which kicked off last December, has directly averted more than 82,100 hospital admissions among over-65s


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... MONTH.html

Just some food for thought today for those people still uncertain as to whether to take the coronavirus vaccine.

Please read the very sad story of Brian Lynch, the 46 year old removal firm boss who did not take the vaccine.
He was quoted as saying he wasn't an anti-vaxxer, but wanted more data on the vaccines effect before agreeing to have it.
His quote, prior to his death stating:
'I'll be honest, I thought it was the vulnerable and elderly who got hospitalised.'
'Well as I found out the hard way my oxygen levels went down to 52% and I could not get my breath'
' So anyone who had similar thoughts about the vaccine as I had, I have to say this, I hope it doesn't get you.'

Obviously 99% of people have made up their mind whether to have the jab or not, but this is just for those who aren't sure.
The full story was in the media over the last day or so.

yep the media is full of this stuff...and not so much about very genuine side effects ...
so why just like this are there not emotive individual accounts from people who desperately wanted to be vaccinated who certainly wouldnt if they could turn the clock back.....
side effects seem rare....as are 40 odd year olds in hospital with covid ..

What has the media to gain from printing many of these true stories and not of negative effects of the vaccine?
From the way you respond, I assume you either chosen not to have the jab from the knowledge you had gained; or maybe you were jabbed and for some reason, you now regret it.
In addition, do you believe the vaccine has not helped to save lives during this pandemic?
Can you enlighten us?

not jabbed.. and really hope that the vaccine has helped its not the good it might do is the issue its how much bad it might also do..... do i believe its helped ? .at this point the jury is out...if the virus had arrived and been a steady killer it would be clear but there have been peaks and troughs and just like now this time last year was a trough... only last years trough { pre vaccine } there were considerably less deaths and less cases... first 9 days of August last year 100 deaths....same period this year 700 deaths...... cases 2020 ....7,600 cases ...2021..138,000 cases....

It's helped alright with everything open, people travelling away to Blackpool for the weekend on trains, going to games, going to pubs clubs and on the pop all night, and deaths are still at a far lower level than previously, with a variant that spreads twice as easily.

People are catching it, but thankfully most suffer relatively minor effects than previously.

I can see the government having to lockdown the main spreaders like clubs in the next few weeks/months (probably should do it now before the new students arrive) but hopefully we can keep the majority of the the country open from now and learn to live with it!

Covid: UK vaccine booster scheme likely to start in September - Sajid Javid

A UK Covid vaccine booster scheme will take place and is likely to start next month, the health secretary has said.

Sajid Javid said he was uncertain of the exact start date as the government was waiting for the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation's "final advice" before proceeding.

Mr Javid added the "most vulnerable" would be offered the third jab first.

However, it remains unclear whether the booster scheme will be for all adults, or just some, more vulnerable groups.

Interim advice from the JCVI, released last month, suggested more than 30 million of the most vulnerable people - including all over-50s - should receive a third dose.

Asked about the scheme on Thursday, Mr Javid said: "We are going to have a booster scheme. It will start some time in September.

"I couldn't tell you exactly when because before we start it... we need to get the final advice from our group of experts, our independent scientific and medical advisers, the JCVI, and so we're waiting for their final opinion."

Postby skidemin » Tue Aug 10, 2021 12:34 am

Scoularite wrote:
by skidemin » Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:19 am

Scoularite wrote:
I just don't get how some people still seem to think that covid is no worse than flu and that the media are responsible for beefing the story up to scare the people for some reason. Maybe one of them could explain why the media would want to do it - what's in it for them, why governments all around the world are falling for it when having to take preventative action that is murdering their economies ( apart from Trump when in office, and the president of Brazil who, like Trump, also believes that Global Warming is a myth), why the World Health Organisation is pleading for vaccinations to be given to poorer countries, and what appears to be the vast majority of medical experts seem to be concerned about further mutations.

In particular, why are so many people with other major medical problems being denied timely treatment because the Health Boards across the country have also apparently been conned by the media? Are all the medical staff apparently all falling for this so-called scare-mongering?





well i dont get how i keep reading the claim ...some people claim its no worse than the flu ..its said far far more than ive actually read someone say it...its chuck enough mud and hope some will stick .. ...
you want to know why our media sensationalise everything ... maybe its to sell papers / get viewers ?
in this case sections of our MSM were reporting people dropping dead in the street in China in early March 2020
and reporting Italys hospitals were over run with patients dying in corridors , no doubt a couple of their hospitals were but Italys health service is pretty decent and overall have coped despite having to deal with 10 times the amount of patients that they were having to deal with in those early reports.... more recently India seemed to be their go to place for scaremongering but that came and went when Indias huge deaths and cases didnt materialise....they scared the crap out of a lot of people , some i think will never feel safe again....
no idea what trump,, brazil or global warming have to do with covid .... might as well have thrown neil harris/ durban and scoular in...
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Firstly, as far as Trump and Brazil are concerned, you might remember that they were the 2 world leaders who disputed the impact of covid.

As far as the comparison between flu and covid goes, the annual flu deaths as published Dec. 13 in The Lancet medical journal were that seasonal flu kills 291,000 to 646,000 people worldwide each year, according to a new estimate that's higher than the previous one of 250,000 to 500,000 deaths a year. These deaths would normally be with large numbers of people having already taken a flu jab and not having been in any sort of lockdown.

With the advent of covid and no initial vaccinations available, almost immediate lockdowns for the most elderly and vulnerable followed by significant lockdowns for the general population, and the introduction of facemasks to prevent carriers passing on any infections, flu rates were naturally going to drop - no mystery. On the other hand, the World Health Organisation latest deaths from covid are 4,136,518, and still climbing as many countries are moving into yet another "spike" in infections, such as Japan where you might have noticed that there are no spectators at the Olympics.

Then, do you really think that putting virtually the same story in all the newspapers day after day would help to sell more papers?

And as far as cases not materializing in India is concerned, I would say that 31.4 million reported cases and 421 thousand deaths are hardly insignificant, particularly as it led to the start of the Indian variant, now regarded as one of the most contagious strains of covid.



you do realise how much bigger Indias population is compared to ours ? roughly 20 times...
yes 421k is a big number but roughly 40 times as many Indians have died of other causes during the same period...
their deaths per million people are 1 sixth of what we have here and cases 1 quarter...
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What was the source of the figures that you have quoted, as the following report by US-based Center for Global Development, examined three different sources of data to piece together one of the most comprehensive pictures yet of the pandemic in India. Their report concluded that the number of excess deaths in India during the Covid-19 pandemic could be 10 times higher than the official death toll, estimating that between 3 million and 4.7 million more people died than would be expected between January 2020 and June 2021.

Just cut and pasted from here https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... MONTH.html

Mick McCarthy: Cardiff City manager will not force vaccine on players -

Manager Mick McCarthy says he can't and won't force Cardiff City's players to have the Covid-19 vaccination, despite the club suffering a number of cases over the summer.

Wales striker Kieffer Moore has yet to start a Championship match this season after having his pre-season disrupted following a positive test.

Rubin Colwill and Leandro Bacuna have also had the virus.

"Firstly, you can't make anybody take a jab," said McCarthy.

"You can urge them to do it bearing in mind that if they do get it and they have to isolate then they'll miss games, they'll be out of the team, it'll cost them money it terms of appearance money, maybe not playing and it also affects their teammates as well, it affects everybody, everything about the club.

"I'd like to think that everybody would want to have to have it but not everybody does.

"I've had it, I couldn't wait to get it, I didn't want to be laid up with Covid.

"My mate had it and he was very, very ill but the younger guys, the younger people, it doesn't seem to affect them that much."

McCarthy was talking ahead of Saturday's home game against Millwall.

Just seen a report where a previously fit young lady with a 2-year-old daughter had got covid which became "long-covid" with her and after more than a year she can barely stand up for 5 minutes and now has to use a motorized chair to move around. Apparently, there are around 250 thousand people in the UK with "long-covid" with varying conditions.

It was something that I had obviously heard about but knew very little about, and it seems that the medical profession don't know that much more!

She was so young.

Slight increase in daily cases -

After falling over recent weeks, the average number of daily confirmed cases is now showing signs of a small rise.

A further 32,058 confirmed cases in the UK were announced on Saturday.

Vaccine rollout continuing -

More than 47.5 million people, or about 88% of people aged 16 and over in the UK, have now received a first dose of a vaccine.

About 41.5 million people, or 76% of people aged 16 and over, have had a second.

Covid: Antibody tests offered to public for first time -

Antibody tests are to be widely offered to the UK public for the first time in a new programme that aims to find out more about how much natural protection people have after getting coronavirus.

The government scheme will offer tests to thousands of adults each day.

Anyone over 18 will be able to opt in when having a PCR test from Tuesday - of those who test positive, up to 8,000 will be sent two home antibody tests.

Health Secretary Sajid Javid said it would be quick and easy to take part.

The first of the finger-prick tests would have to be done as soon as possible after the positive result, so the body would not have time to generate a detectable antibody response to the infection.

The second would be taken 28 days later and measure antibodies generated in response to the infection.

The UK Health Security Agency is to run the programme and will work alongside NHS test and trace services in England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland to use results to monitor levels of antibodies in positive cases.