OT: Henry Nowak handcuffing?

This is exactly why this country is going down the gurgler at a rapid rate of knots. Started by the Tories and accelerated by Starmer's far left lunacy, they don't want you to talk and discuss the deep rooted anti-white racism in our police force.

They just say "Oh look over there at that nasty politician".........and deflect from the problem right in front of our eyes.

If people in this country cannot see that two tier policing is rife in this country, caused by a massive pendulum swing since the Stephen Lawrence murder, followed by extreme DEI training, there really is no hope for cohesion and a united country.

No, what they want is people to respect the wishes of a father who has lost his son.

But never mind that, because a few people decided they want a scrap so they just decide they'll use this as a lame excuse. It's pathetic. They should behave like human beings, not f*cking animals.

And they are cunts, the lot of them. And so is anybody who depends them.

There are questions to ask for the police but responding with rage or anger is not the way to go.

Although not the case on the night in question, the majority of police officers are people doing their best in a difficult job. They don't deserve to be assaulted by thugs.

The lot of them?
I watched a bit on YouTube and the majority were there to show respect for Henry , a minutes silence was held in his memory. However there was an element there who thought chanting Kier Stars a wanker and while this is undoubtedly accurate, last night wasn’t the time to chant it. A relatively small number of coked up clowns, were just looking for an excuse for civil disobedience and an opportunity to attack the old bill. With the amount of phone footage, many of them will be looking at jail time

Alright, the lot of them maybe not the right wording but I do still think that about all of them who attacked police.

This is exactly why this country is going down the gurgler at a rapid rate of knots. Started by the Tories and accelerated by Starmer's far left lunacy, they don't want you to talk and discuss the deep rooted anti-white racism in our police force.

They just say "Oh look over there at that nasty politician".........and deflect from the problem right in front of our eyes.

If people in this country cannot see that two tier policing is rife in this country, caused by a massive pendulum swing since the Stephen Lawrence murder, followed by extreme DEI training, there really is no hope for cohesion and a united country.

Spot on

This is exactly why this country is going down the gurgler at a rapid rate of knots. Started by the Tories and accelerated by Starmer's far left lunacy, they don't want you to talk and discuss the deep rooted anti-white racism in our police force.

They just say "Oh look over there at that nasty politician".........and deflect from the problem right in front of our eyes.

If people in this country cannot see that two tier policing is rife in this country, caused by a massive pendulum swing since the Stephen Lawrence murder, followed by extreme DEI training, there really is no hope for cohesion and a united country.

No, what they want is people to respect the wishes of a father who has lost his son.

But never mind that, because a few people decided they want a scrap so they just decide they'll use this as a lame excuse. It's pathetic. They should behave like human beings, not f*cking animals.

And they are cunts, the lot of them. And so is anybody who depends them.

There are questions to ask for the police but responding with rage or anger is not the way to go.

There we go again, left wing deflection, but not addressing the actual issue of two tier policing.

Straight question Ned: Do you believe that the DEI training has affected police judgement (as stated by ex-officers of the Hampshire police)?

Did you not see the bit where I said "there are questions for the police to answer"?

In answer to your question, without having worked within the police I can't say for sure. But there does seem to be some voices suggesting that is the case and they should be advised that all lives matter - white British, other ethnicities and including immigrants.

Did you not see the bit where I said "there are questions for the police to answer"?

That's like saying Jack the Ripper might have been a little bit naughty.

They handcuffed a dying student who could hardly speak or breathe, and let the murderer, his brother and Father walk around looking down on him.

During the police response, 18-year-old student Henry told officers nine times that he could not breathe and four times that he had been stabbed.

This is exactly why this country is going down the gurgler at a rapid rate of knots. Started by the Tories and accelerated by Starmer's far left lunacy, they don't want you to talk and discuss the deep rooted anti-white racism in our police force.

They just say "Oh look over there at that nasty politician".........and deflect from the problem right in front of our eyes.

If people in this country cannot see that two tier policing is rife in this country, caused by a massive pendulum swing since the Stephen Lawrence murder, followed by extreme DEI training, there really is no hope for cohesion and a united country.

No, what they want is people to respect the wishes of a father who has lost his son.

But never mind that, because a few people decided they want a scrap so they just decide they'll use this as a lame excuse. It's pathetic. They should behave like human beings, not f*cking animals.

And they are cunts, the lot of them. And so is anybody who depends them.

There are questions to ask for the police but responding with rage or anger is not the way to go.

There we go again, left wing deflection, but not addressing the actual issue of two tier policing.

Straight question Ned: Do you believe that the DEI training has affected police judgement (as stated by ex-officers of the Hampshire police)?

Did you not see the bit where I said "there are questions for the police to answer"?

In answer to your question, without having worked within the police I can't say for sure. But there does seem to be some voices suggesting that is the case and they should be advised that all lives matter - white British, other ethnicities and including immigrants.

Did you not see the bit where I said "there are questions for the police to answer"?

That's like saying Jack the Ripper might have been a little bit naughty.

They handcuffed a dying student who could hardly speak or breathe, and let the murderer, his brother and Father walk around looking down on him.

During the police response, 18-year-old student Henry told officers nine times that he could not breathe and four times that he had been stabbed

But to say that's how all police officers behave is nonsense.

Anyone who says otherwise has an agenda or is just plain stupid.

You here kier starmer and many other MPs saying that two tier policing is not happening,so come on be honest, how many times have Cardiff city fans complained on here about being treated differently to other fans at away games by the police,south Yorkshire police come to mind .

This is exactly why this country is going down the gurgler at a rapid rate of knots. Started by the Tories and accelerated by Starmer's far left lunacy, they don't want you to talk and discuss the deep rooted anti-white racism in our police force.

They just say "Oh look over there at that nasty politician".........and deflect from the problem right in front of our eyes.

If people in this country cannot see that two tier policing is rife in this country, caused by a massive pendulum swing since the Stephen Lawrence murder, followed by extreme DEI training, there really is no hope for cohesion and a united country.

No, what they want is people to respect the wishes of a father who has lost his son.

But never mind that, because a few people decided they want a scrap so they just decide they'll use this as a lame excuse. It's pathetic. They should behave like human beings, not f*cking animals.

And they are cunts, the lot of them. And so is anybody who depends them.

There are questions to ask for the police but responding with rage or anger is not the way to go.

There we go again, left wing deflection, but not addressing the actual issue of two tier policing.

Straight question Ned: Do you believe that the DEI training has affected police judgement (as stated by ex-officers of the Hampshire police)?

Did you not see the bit where I said "there are questions for the police to answer"?

In answer to your question, without having worked within the police I can't say for sure. But there does seem to be some voices suggesting that is the case and they should be advised that all lives matter - white British, other ethnicities and including immigrants.

Did you not see the bit where I said "there are questions for the police to answer"?

That's like saying Jack the Ripper might have been a little bit naughty.

They handcuffed a dying student who could hardly speak or breathe, and let the murderer, his brother and Father walk around looking down on him.

During the police response, 18-year-old student Henry told officers nine times that he could not breathe and four times that he had been stabbed

But to say that's how all police officers behave is nonsense.

Anyone who says otherwise has an agenda or is just plain stupid.

"But to say that's how all police officers behave is nonsense."

Nobody is saying every single copper behaves like this, but ignoring the systemic failure here is blind.

When an 18 year old kid says nine times that he can't breathe and four times that he's been stabbed, and the response is to handcuff him while the suspects walk around freely, that isn't a minor slip-up. It's proof of how institutionalised two-tier policing has become. The people trying to downplay this are the ones with the agenda. It’s reached a ludicrous level, and the public has every right to be furious about the state of British policing.

This is exactly why this country is going down the gurgler at a rapid rate of knots. Started by the Tories and accelerated by Starmer's far left lunacy, they don't want you to talk and discuss the deep rooted anti-white racism in our police force.

They just say "Oh look over there at that nasty politician".........and deflect from the problem right in front of our eyes.

If people in this country cannot see that two tier policing is rife in this country, caused by a massive pendulum swing since the Stephen Lawrence murder, followed by extreme DEI training, there really is no hope for cohesion and a united country.

No, what they want is people to respect the wishes of a father who has lost his son.

But never mind that, because a few people decided they want a scrap so they just decide they'll use this as a lame excuse. It's pathetic. They should behave like human beings, not f*cking animals.

And they are cunts, the lot of them. And so is anybody who depends them.

There are questions to ask for the police but responding with rage or anger is not the way to go.

There we go again, left wing deflection, but not addressing the actual issue of two tier policing.

Straight question Ned: Do you believe that the DEI training has affected police judgement (as stated by ex-officers of the Hampshire police)?

Did you not see the bit where I said "there are questions for the police to answer"?

In answer to your question, without having worked within the police I can't say for sure. But there does seem to be some voices suggesting that is the case and they should be advised that all lives matter - white British, other ethnicities and including immigrants.

Did you not see the bit where I said "there are questions for the police to answer"?

That's like saying Jack the Ripper might have been a little bit naughty.

They handcuffed a dying student who could hardly speak or breathe, and let the murderer, his brother and Father walk around looking down on him.

During the police response, 18-year-old student Henry told officers nine times that he could not breathe and four times that he had been stabbed

But to say that's how all police officers behave is nonsense.

.

Have to fully agree with you Mark (Bluebina)

Nothing wrong with what Sludge said in my opinion.

Fair do's Ned, if that is your opinion that's fine.

That said, you are a moderator of this board, and if you believe calling anybody the C word, along with many other disparaging and abusive terms is OK.......so be it!

I just think in a debate there is no need for such vile terms directed at posters of this board, maybe you don't!

We obviously have a difference of opinion. Not my job to defend him but like I said, I didn't see anything wrong in anything he said.

I find it troubling that people are so bothered about a few swear words (which we've all heard before anyway) but don't mind a senior politician inciting violence, especially when the victim's father has made it clear that they didn't want that.

Please would you let me know which politician you are referring to who incited viole
Just to be clear, if you are referring to Nigel Farage you are either misguided or telling porkies to suit your own agenda.

What does "cold rage mean" - Google response:

"Cold rage (or "cold anger") is a highly suppressed, controlled form of intense fury. Unlike a "hot" explosion of yelling or lashing out, it is calm, deeply calculated, and quiet. People experiencing it detach emotionally and become chillingly focused, rather than losing control."

If you interpret that as inciting violence you have lost the plot!

Come on. You seem like an intelligent person, unlike Monty.

It was clear what the politician in question was doing. His refusal yesterday to condemn the violence is proof of that.

I'm no fan of Kemi Badenoch but I felt her response was proportionate. A stark difference to this politician's response.

NED
What you insulting me for again? is there any need to poke fun at my lack of intellegence.

Seems like a trait of left leaning political thinkers, both Worcester and Mr Sludge are obviously left leaning (Mr Sludge being the more aggressive variety) and both are trying to denigrate people's character/personality.

This is exactly why this country is going down the gurgler at a rapid rate of knots. Started by the Tories and accelerated by Starmer's far left lunacy, they don't want you to talk and discuss the deep rooted anti-white racism in our police force.

They just say "Oh look over there at that nasty politician".........and deflect from the problem right in front of our eyes.

If people in this country cannot see that two tier policing is rife in this country, caused by a massive pendulum swing since the Stephen Lawrence murder, followed by extreme DEI training, there really is no hope for cohesion and a united country.

No, what they want is people to respect the wishes of a father who has lost his son.

But never mind that, because a few people decided they want a scrap so they just decide they'll use this as a lame excuse. It's pathetic. They should behave like human beings, not f*cking animals.

And they are cunts, the lot of them. And so is anybody who depends them.

There are questions to ask for the police but responding with rage or anger is not the way to go.

There we go again, left wing deflection, but not addressing the actual issue of two tier policing.

Straight question Ned: Do you believe that the DEI training has affected police judgement (as stated by ex-officers of the Hampshire police)?

Did you not see the bit where I said "there are questions for the police to answer"?

In answer to your question, without having worked within the police I can't say for sure. But there does seem to be some voices suggesting that is the case and they should be advised that all lives matter - white British, other ethnicities and including immigrants.

Did you not see the bit where I said "there are questions for the police to answer"?

That's like saying Jack the Ripper might have been a little bit naughty.

They handcuffed a dying student who could hardly speak or breathe, and let the murderer, his brother and Father walk around looking down on him.

During the police response, 18-year-old student Henry told officers nine times that he could not breathe and four times that he had been stabbed

But to say that's how all police officers behave is nonsense.

Anyone who says otherwise has an agenda or is just plain stupid.

"But to say that's how all police officers behave is nonsense."

Nobody is saying every single copper behaves like this, but ignoring the systemic failure here is blind.

When an 18 year old kid says nine times that he can't breathe and four times that he's been stabbed, and the response is to handcuff him while the suspects walk around freely, that isn't a minor slip-up. It's proof of how institutionalised two-tier policing has become. The people trying to downplay this are the ones with the agenda. It’s reached a ludicrous level, and the public has every right to be furious about the state of British policing.

What you're saying is ludicrous actually. Of course there's not institutionalised two-tier policing. The majority of people arrested are not white British.

Anyone who goes along with that line are just parroting what others have said, because they're clearly too brainless and stupid to think for themselves.

I think it's deeply troubling that people think it's alright to assault hard working police officers.

This is exactly why this country is going down the gurgler at a rapid rate of knots. Started by the Tories and accelerated by Starmer's far left lunacy, they don't want you to talk and discuss the deep rooted anti-white racism in our police force.

They just say "Oh look over there at that nasty politician".........and deflect from the problem right in front of our eyes.

If people in this country cannot see that two tier policing is rife in this country, caused by a massive pendulum swing since the Stephen Lawrence murder, followed by extreme DEI training, there really is no hope for cohesion and a united country.

No, what they want is people to respect the wishes of a father who has lost his son.

But never mind that, because a few people decided they want a scrap so they just decide they'll use this as a lame excuse. It's pathetic. They should behave like human beings, not f*cking animals.

And they are cunts, the lot of them. And so is anybody who depends them.

There are questions to ask for the police but responding with rage or anger is not the way to go.

There we go again, left wing deflection, but not addressing the actual issue of two tier policing.

Straight question Ned: Do you believe that the DEI training has affected police judgement (as stated by ex-officers of the Hampshire police)?

Did you not see the bit where I said "there are questions for the police to answer"?

In answer to your question, without having worked within the police I can't say for sure. But there does seem to be some voices suggesting that is the case and they should be advised that all lives matter - white British, other ethnicities and including immigrants.

Did you not see the bit where I said "there are questions for the police to answer"?

That's like saying Jack the Ripper might have been a little bit naughty.

They handcuffed a dying student who could hardly speak or breathe, and let the murderer, his brother and Father walk around looking down on him.

During the police response, 18-year-old student Henry told officers nine times that he could not breathe and four times that he had been stabbed

But to say that's how all police officers behave is nonsense.

Anyone who says otherwise has an agenda or is just plain stupid.

"But to say that's how all police officers behave is nonsense."

Nobody is saying every single copper behaves like this, but ignoring the systemic failure here is blind.

When an 18 year old kid says nine times that he can't breathe and four times that he's been stabbed, and the response is to handcuff him while the suspects walk around freely, that isn't a minor slip-up. It's proof of how institutionalised two-tier policing has become. The people trying to downplay this are the ones with the agenda. It’s reached a ludicrous level, and the public has every right to be furious about the state of British policing.

What you're saying is ludicrous actually. Of course there's not institutionalised two-tier policing. The majority of people arrested are not white British.

Anyone who goes along with that line are just parroting what others have said, because they're clearly too brainless and stupid to think for themselves.

I think it's deeply troubling that people think it's alright to assault hard working police officers.

This is exactly why this country is going down the gurgler at a rapid rate of knots. Started by the Tories and accelerated by Starmer's far left lunacy, they don't want you to talk and discuss the deep rooted anti-white racism in our police force.

They just say "Oh look over there at that nasty politician".........and deflect from the problem right in front of our eyes.

If people in this country cannot see that two tier policing is rife in this country, caused by a massive pendulum swing since the Stephen Lawrence murder, followed by extreme DEI training, there really is no hope for cohesion and a united country.

No, what they want is people to respect the wishes of a father who has lost his son.

But never mind that, because a few people decided they want a scrap so they just decide they'll use this as a lame excuse. It's pathetic. They should behave like human beings, not f*cking animals.

And they are cunts, the lot of them. And so is anybody who depends them.

There are questions to ask for the police but responding with rage or anger is not the way to go.

There we go again, left wing deflection, but not addressing the actual issue of two tier policing.

Straight question Ned: Do you believe that the DEI training has affected police judgement (as stated by ex-officers of the Hampshire police)?

Did you not see the bit where I said "there are questions for the police to answer"?

In answer to your question, without having worked within the police I can't say for sure. But there does seem to be some voices suggesting that is the case and they should be advised that all lives matter - white British, other ethnicities and including immigrants.

Did you not see the bit where I said "there are questions for the police to answer"?

That's like saying Jack the Ripper might have been a little bit naughty.

They handcuffed a dying student who could hardly speak or breathe, and let the murderer, his brother and Father walk around looking down on him.

During the police response, 18-year-old student Henry told officers nine times that he could not breathe and four times that he had been stabbed

But to say that's how all police officers behave is nonsense.

Anyone who says otherwise has an agenda or is just plain stupid.

"But to say that's how all police officers behave is nonsense."

Nobody is saying every single copper behaves like this, but ignoring the systemic failure here is blind.

When an 18 year old kid says nine times that he can't breathe and four times that he's been stabbed, and the response is to handcuff him while the suspects walk around freely, that isn't a minor slip-up. It's proof of how institutionalised two-tier policing has become. The people trying to downplay this are the ones with the agenda. It’s reached a ludicrous level, and the public has every right to be furious about the state of British policing.

What you're saying is ludicrous actually. Of course there's not institutionalised two-tier policing. The majority of people arrested are not white British.

Anyone who goes along with that line are just parroting what others have said, because they're clearly too brainless and stupid to think for themselves.

I think it's deeply troubling that people think it's alright to assault hard working police officers.

Talk about shifting the goalposts. Who said anything about it being alright to assault police officers? Absolutely nobody. That is a completely irrelevant deflection from what actually happened.

As for arrest statistics, you’re missing the point of what "two-tier policing" actually means in this context. It’s not just about who gets arrested overall; it’s about the completely inverted response in specific, high-profile incidents.

You still haven't addressed the actual issue: How is it logical, defensible, or "one-tier" policing for officers to handcuff a dying 18-year-old victim who is actively telling them he has been stabbed and can't breathe, while letting the suspects walk around the scene freely?

Calling people "brainless" because they are rightfully appalled by that failure isn't an argument; it’s just an admission that you can't defend the indefensible.

This is exactly why this country is going down the gurgler at a rapid rate of knots. Started by the Tories and accelerated by Starmer's far left lunacy, they don't want you to talk and discuss the deep rooted anti-white racism in our police force.

They just say "Oh look over there at that nasty politician".........and deflect from the problem right in front of our eyes.

If people in this country cannot see that two tier policing is rife in this country, caused by a massive pendulum swing since the Stephen Lawrence murder, followed by extreme DEI training, there really is no hope for cohesion and a united country.

No, what they want is people to respect the wishes of a father who has lost his son.

But never mind that, because a few people decided they want a scrap so they just decide they'll use this as a lame excuse. It's pathetic. They should behave like human beings, not f*cking animals.

And they are cunts, the lot of them. And so is anybody who depends them.

There are questions to ask for the police but responding with rage or anger is not the way to go.

There we go again, left wing deflection, but not addressing the actual issue of two tier policing.

Straight question Ned: Do you believe that the DEI training has affected police judgement (as stated by ex-officers of the Hampshire police)?

Did you not see the bit where I said "there are questions for the police to answer"?

In answer to your question, without having worked within the police I can't say for sure. But there does seem to be some voices suggesting that is the case and they should be advised that all lives matter - white British, other ethnicities and including immigrants.

Did you not see the bit where I said "there are questions for the police to answer"?

That's like saying Jack the Ripper might have been a little bit naughty.

They handcuffed a dying student who could hardly speak or breathe, and let the murderer, his brother and Father walk around looking down on him.

During the police response, 18-year-old student Henry told officers nine times that he could not breathe and four times that he had been stabbed

But to say that's how all police officers behave is nonsense.

Anyone who says otherwise has an agenda or is just plain stupid.

"But to say that's how all police officers behave is nonsense."

Nobody is saying every single copper behaves like this, but ignoring the systemic failure here is blind.

When an 18 year old kid says nine times that he can't breathe and four times that he's been stabbed, and the response is to handcuff him while the suspects walk around freely, that isn't a minor slip-up. It's proof of how institutionalised two-tier policing has become. The people trying to downplay this are the ones with the agenda. It’s reached a ludicrous level, and the public has every right to be furious about the state of British policing.

What you're saying is ludicrous actually. Of course there's not institutionalised two-tier policing. The majority of people arrested are not white British.

Anyone who goes along with that line are just parroting what others have said, because they're clearly too brainless and stupid to think for themselves.

I think it's deeply troubling that people think it's alright to assault hard working police officers.

Talk about shifting the goalposts. Who said anything about it being alright to assault police officers? Absolutely nobody. That is a completely irrelevant deflection from what actually happened.

As for arrest statistics, you’re missing the point of what "two-tier policing" actually means in this context. It’s not just about who gets arrested overall; it’s about the completely inverted response in specific, high-profile incidents.

You still haven't addressed the actual issue: How is it logical, defensible, or "one-tier" policing for officers to handcuff a dying 18-year-old victim who is actively telling them he has been stabbed and can't breathe, while letting the suspects walk around the scene freely?

Calling people "brainless" because they are rightfully appalled by that failure isn't an argument; it’s just an admission that you can't defend the indefensible.

For the third time, there are serious questions for the police officers involved to answer. It's a terrible case but doesn't represent an institutional issue.

This is exactly why this country is going down the gurgler at a rapid rate of knots. Started by the Tories and accelerated by Starmer's far left lunacy, they don't want you to talk and discuss the deep rooted anti-white racism in our police force.

They just say "Oh look over there at that nasty politician".........and deflect from the problem right in front of our eyes.

If people in this country cannot see that two tier policing is rife in this country, caused by a massive pendulum swing since the Stephen Lawrence murder, followed by extreme DEI training, there really is no hope for cohesion and a united country.

No, what they want is people to respect the wishes of a father who has lost his son.

But never mind that, because a few people decided they want a scrap so they just decide they'll use this as a lame excuse. It's pathetic. They should behave like human beings, not f*cking animals.

And they are cunts, the lot of them. And so is anybody who depends them.

There are questions to ask for the police but responding with rage or anger is not the way to go.

There we go again, left wing deflection, but not addressing the actual issue of two tier policing.

Straight question Ned: Do you believe that the DEI training has affected police judgement (as stated by ex-officers of the Hampshire police)?

Did you not see the bit where I said "there are questions for the police to answer"?

In answer to your question, without having worked within the police I can't say for sure. But there does seem to be some voices suggesting that is the case and they should be advised that all lives matter - white British, other ethnicities and including immigrants.

Did you not see the bit where I said "there are questions for the police to answer"?

That's like saying Jack the Ripper might have been a little bit naughty.

They handcuffed a dying student who could hardly speak or breathe, and let the murderer, his brother and Father walk around looking down on him.

During the police response, 18-year-old student Henry told officers nine times that he could not breathe and four times that he had been stabbed

But to say that's how all police officers behave is nonsense.

Anyone who says otherwise has an agenda or is just plain stupid.

"But to say that's how all police officers behave is nonsense."

Nobody is saying every single copper behaves like this, but ignoring the systemic failure here is blind.

When an 18 year old kid says nine times that he can't breathe and four times that he's been stabbed, and the response is to handcuff him while the suspects walk around freely, that isn't a minor slip-up. It's proof of how institutionalised two-tier policing has become. The people trying to downplay this are the ones with the agenda. It’s reached a ludicrous level, and the public has every right to be furious about the state of British policing.

What you're saying is ludicrous actually. Of course there's not institutionalised two-tier policing. The majority of people arrested are not white British.

Anyone who goes along with that line are just parroting what others have said, because they're clearly too brainless and stupid to think for themselves.

I think it's deeply troubling that people think it's alright to assault hard working police officers.

Talk about shifting the goalposts. Who said anything about it being alright to assault police officers? Absolutely nobody. That is a completely irrelevant deflection from what actually happened.

As for arrest statistics, you’re missing the point of what "two-tier policing" actually means in this context. It’s not just about who gets arrested overall; it’s about the completely inverted response in specific, high-profile incidents.

You still haven't addressed the actual issue: How is it logical, defensible, or "one-tier" policing for officers to handcuff a dying 18-year-old victim who is actively telling them he has been stabbed and can't breathe, while letting the suspects walk around the scene freely?

Calling people "brainless" because they are rightfully appalled by that failure isn't an argument; it’s just an admission that you can't defend the indefensible.

For the third time, there are serious questions for the police officers involved to answer. It's a terrible case but doesn't represent an institutional issue.

Fair play for admitting there are serious questions to answer.

But that's exactly the point: a failure this catastrophic doesn't happen in a vacuum. When standard operating procedure on the ground completely inverts reality, handcuffing the dying victim while letting the armed suspects walk around, it points directly to a failure in training, culture, and institutional mindset.

If the system trains officers to look at a situation completely upside down, then it is an institutional issue. Glad we agree that it's a terrible case that needs exposing, though.

Just a point, why on earth are courts calling it sentenced to life when life does not mean that.
I believe that for murder there are no excuses they should bring back the death penalty which they are never going to do, so for goodness sake make life really that and let the murdering bastards die in jail, no excuses

This is exactly why this country is going down the gurgler at a rapid rate of knots. Started by the Tories and accelerated by Starmer's far left lunacy, they don't want you to talk and discuss the deep rooted anti-white racism in our police force.

They just say "Oh look over there at that nasty politician".........and deflect from the problem right in front of our eyes.

If people in this country cannot see that two tier policing is rife in this country, caused by a massive pendulum swing since the Stephen Lawrence murder, followed by extreme DEI training, there really is no hope for cohesion and a united country.

No, what they want is people to respect the wishes of a father who has lost his son.

But never mind that, because a few people decided they want a scrap so they just decide they'll use this as a lame excuse. It's pathetic. They should behave like human beings, not f*cking animals.

And they are cunts, the lot of them. And so is anybody who depends them.

There are questions to ask for the police but responding with rage or anger is not the way to go.

There we go again, left wing deflection, but not addressing the actual issue of two tier policing.

Straight question Ned: Do you believe that the DEI training has affected police judgement (as stated by ex-officers of the Hampshire police)?

Did you not see the bit where I said "there are questions for the police to answer"?

In answer to your question, without having worked within the police I can't say for sure. But there does seem to be some voices suggesting that is the case and they should be advised that all lives matter - white British, other ethnicities and including immigrants.

Did you not see the bit where I said "there are questions for the police to answer"?

That's like saying Jack the Ripper might have been a little bit naughty.

They handcuffed a dying student who could hardly speak or breathe, and let the murderer, his brother and Father walk around looking down on him.

During the police response, 18-year-old student Henry told officers nine times that he could not breathe and four times that he had been stabbed

But to say that's how all police officers behave is nonsense.

Anyone who says otherwise has an agenda or is just plain stupid.

"But to say that's how all police officers behave is nonsense."

Nobody is saying every single copper behaves like this, but ignoring the systemic failure here is blind.

When an 18 year old kid says nine times that he can't breathe and four times that he's been stabbed, and the response is to handcuff him while the suspects walk around freely, that isn't a minor slip-up. It's proof of how institutionalised two-tier policing has become. The people trying to downplay this are the ones with the agenda. It’s reached a ludicrous level, and the public has every right to be furious about the state of British policing.

First of all I can’t belive how long this thread has gone on. Seems to me more people are concerned about everything but the unfortunate death of this kid.

Any Bluebina, how many times do you think suspects fake and feign o jury to escape the police image if the police gave everyone a full medical assessment for every complaint they hear. The injury was well hidden it was dark the officer checked him over couldn’t see anything obvious, and told the kid he didn’t think he was stabbed to reassure him. His condition deteriorated and was noticed and acted upon by officer. By sheer coincidence the video is stopped shock horror.

If anyone truly believes deep down that’s there two tier policing in this country then f**k me. Ethnics say the police are racist, white people now playing the race card we can’t both be right, seems to me the police on a whole are even handed if they upsetting both sides of the coin. Or at least criminals and snowflakes that always want to be the victim.

And the name calling because someone’s opinions differ to they own on here would be hilarious if it wasn’t so pathetic.

This is exactly why this country is going down the gurgler at a rapid rate of knots. Started by the Tories and accelerated by Starmer's far left lunacy, they don't want you to talk and discuss the deep rooted anti-white racism in our police force.

They just say "Oh look over there at that nasty politician".........and deflect from the problem right in front of our eyes.

If people in this country cannot see that two tier policing is rife in this country, caused by a massive pendulum swing since the Stephen Lawrence murder, followed by extreme DEI training, there really is no hope for cohesion and a united country.

No, what they want is people to respect the wishes of a father who has lost his son.

But never mind that, because a few people decided they want a scrap so they just decide they'll use this as a lame excuse. It's pathetic. They should behave like human beings, not f*cking animals.

And they are cunts, the lot of them. And so is anybody who depends them.

There are questions to ask for the police but responding with rage or anger is not the way to go.

There we go again, left wing deflection, but not addressing the actual issue of two tier policing.

Straight question Ned: Do you believe that the DEI training has affected police judgement (as stated by ex-officers of the Hampshire police)?

Did you not see the bit where I said "there are questions for the police to answer"?

In answer to your question, without having worked within the police I can't say for sure. But there does seem to be some voices suggesting that is the case and they should be advised that all lives matter - white British, other ethnicities and including immigrants.

Did you not see the bit where I said "there are questions for the police to answer"?

That's like saying Jack the Ripper might have been a little bit naughty.

They handcuffed a dying student who could hardly speak or breathe, and let the murderer, his brother and Father walk around looking down on him.

During the police response, 18-year-old student Henry told officers nine times that he could not breathe and four times that he had been stabbed

But to say that's how all police officers behave is nonsense.

Anyone who says otherwise has an agenda or is just plain stupid.

"But to say that's how all police officers behave is nonsense."

Nobody is saying every single copper behaves like this, but ignoring the systemic failure here is blind.

When an 18 year old kid says nine times that he can't breathe and four times that he's been stabbed, and the response is to handcuff him while the suspects walk around freely, that isn't a minor slip-up. It's proof of how institutionalised two-tier policing has become. The people trying to downplay this are the ones with the agenda. It’s reached a ludicrous level, and the public has every right to be furious about the state of British policing.

First of all I can’t belive how long this thread has gone on. Seems to me more people are concerned about everything but the unfortunate death of this kid.

Any Bluebina, how many times do you think suspects fake and feign o jury to escape the police image if the police gave everyone a full medical assessment for every complaint they hear. The injury was well hidden it was dark the officer checked him over couldn’t see anything obvious, and told the kid he didn’t think he was stabbed to reassure him. His condition deteriorated and was noticed and acted upon by officer. By sheer coincidence the video is stopped shock horror.

If anyone truly believes deep down that’s there two tier policing in this country then f**k me. Ethnics say the police are racist, white people now playing the race card we can’t both be right, seems to me the police on a whole are even handed if they upsetting both sides of the coin. Or at least criminals and snowflakes that always want to be the victim.

And the name calling because someone’s opinions differ to they own on here would be hilarious if it wasn’t so pathetic.

Two tier policing is obvious.
Treating racism as the worst crime imaginable is systematically built into police training.
That’s what led to the vile treatment, of a dying kid, by those paid to protect and serve our society.

What lead to it is some c**t stabbed a teenager in the chest. He the victim here it’s shameful that some are trying to claim they are victims of racist policing.

Here is the proof that police DEI training leads to pressure on officers, which I suggest leads to bad decisions, as in the Henry Nowak case, God bless his soul.

"Police force in Henry Nowak case went on diversity course ‘that controlled and pressured’ them to adopt certain ideas
One in seven officers and staff who took the Inclusion Matters training said they did not feel free to share their views, a survey suggested."

https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/hampshire ... 5Hjdb7B_2/

I am certain that if this is prevalent in Hampshire it is the same throughout all forces in the UK.

Here is the proof that police DEI training leads to pressure on officers, which I suggest leads to bad decisions, as in the Henry Nowak case, God bless his soul.

"Police force in Henry Nowak case went on diversity course ‘that controlled and pressured’ them to adopt certain ideas
One in seven officers and staff who took the Inclusion Matters training said they did not feel free to share their views, a survey suggested."

https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/hampshire ... 5Hjdb7B_2/

I am certain that if this is prevalent in Hampshire it is the same throughout all forces in the UK.

Totally agree and I too am sure that this same directive would be given to every police force throughout the UK. If anyone cannot see that there is a 2 tier system in this Country across many things then you need to wake up and smell the coffee.

Here is the proof that police DEI training leads to pressure on officers, which I suggest leads to bad decisions, as in the Henry Nowak case, God bless his soul.

"Police force in Henry Nowak case went on diversity course ‘that controlled and pressured’ them to adopt certain ideas
One in seven officers and staff who took the Inclusion Matters training said they did not feel free to share their views, a survey suggested."

https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/hampshire ... 5Hjdb7B_2/

I am certain that if this is prevalent in Hampshire it is the same throughout all forces in the UK.

"One in seven felt they couldn't share their views" - what a huge majority of them that is

I can believe that officers subconsciously may favour ethnic minorities out of fear of being seen as racist, which obviously isn't right. If that's the case, the directive needs to be for that not to happen.

But they are not told to arrest white people and not non-white people so I don't believe there is a policy of two tier policing. Those who started that suggestion will be pleased that so many have bought it though.

What lead to it is some c**t stabbed a teenager in the chest. He the victim here it’s shameful that some are trying to claim they are victims of racist policing.

What a farcical straw man argument you make.
Henry Nowak was murdered by an evil piece of shit.The issue is how the police dealt with the crime.
Who’s claiming they are victims of racist policing?

This is exactly why this country is going down the gurgler at a rapid rate of knots. Started by the Tories and accelerated by Starmer's far left lunacy, they don't want you to talk and discuss the deep rooted anti-white racism in our police force.

They just say "Oh look over there at that nasty politician".........and deflect from the problem right in front of our eyes.

If people in this country cannot see that two tier policing is rife in this country, caused by a massive pendulum swing since the Stephen Lawrence murder, followed by extreme DEI training, there really is no hope for cohesion and a united country.

Spot on

Bluebina you are so right, Starmer doesn't even try to hide the fact that it's his and Lammy's, Mahmoud's and Khan's policies that are fueling this distrust amongst voters. They're leading us to a very bad/dark place, be worried for your children/grandchildren because if they can take this to the next level (they're 85% of the way there already) there will be no going back. Their policies are many years in the planning. Have a good dig into the Fabian movement and their objectives, they're very clever and have been very thorough in their actions.

This is exactly why this country is going down the gurgler at a rapid rate of knots. Started by the Tories and accelerated by Starmer's far left lunacy, they don't want you to talk and discuss the deep rooted anti-white racism in our police force.

They just say "Oh look over there at that nasty politician".........and deflect from the problem right in front of our eyes.

If people in this country cannot see that two tier policing is rife in this country, caused by a massive pendulum swing since the Stephen Lawrence murder, followed by extreme DEI training, there really is no hope for cohesion and a united country.

No, what they want is people to respect the wishes of a father who has lost his son.

But never mind that, because a few people decided they want a scrap so they just decide they'll use this as a lame excuse. It's pathetic. They should behave like human beings, not f*cking animals.

And they are cunts, the lot of them. And so is anybody who depends them.

There are questions to ask for the police but responding with rage or anger is not the way to go.

There we go again, left wing deflection, but not addressing the actual issue of two tier policing.

Straight question Ned: Do you believe that the DEI training has affected police judgement (as stated by ex-officers of the Hampshire police)?

Did you not see the bit where I said "there are questions for the police to answer"?

In answer to your question, without having worked within the police I can't say for sure. But there does seem to be some voices suggesting that is the case and they should be advised that all lives matter - white British, other ethnicities and including immigrants.

Did you not see the bit where I said "there are questions for the police to answer"?

That's like saying Jack the Ripper might have been a little bit naughty.

They handcuffed a dying student who could hardly speak or breathe, and let the murderer, his brother and Father walk around looking down on him.

During the police response, 18-year-old student Henry told officers nine times that he could not breathe and four times that he had been stabbed

But to say that's how all police officers behave is nonsense.

Anyone who says otherwise has an agenda or is just plain stupid.

"But to say that's how all police officers behave is nonsense."

Nobody is saying every single copper behaves like this, but ignoring the systemic failure here is blind.

When an 18 year old kid says nine times that he can't breathe and four times that he's been stabbed, and the response is to handcuff him while the suspects walk around freely, that isn't a minor slip-up. It's proof of how institutionalised two-tier policing has become. The people trying to downplay this are the ones with the agenda. It’s reached a ludicrous level, and the public has every right to be furious about the state of British policing.

First of all I can’t belive how long this thread has gone on. Seems to me more people are concerned about everything but the unfortunate death of this kid.

Any Bluebina, how many times do you think suspects fake and feign o jury to escape the police image if the police gave everyone a full medical assessment for every complaint they hear. The injury was well hidden it was dark the officer checked him over couldn’t see anything obvious, and told the kid he didn’t think he was stabbed to reassure him. His condition deteriorated and was noticed and acted upon by officer. By sheer coincidence the video is stopped shock horror.

If anyone truly believes deep down that’s there two tier policing in this country then f**k me. Ethnics say the police are racist, white people now playing the race card we can’t both be right, seems to me the police on a whole are even handed if they upsetting both sides of the coin. Or at least criminals and snowflakes that always want to be the victim.

And the name calling because someone’s opinions differ to they own on here would be hilarious if it wasn’t so pathetic.

Imagine trying to spin handcuffing a dying, bleeding teenager who said 4 times he’d been stabbed as "reassurance." That is an absolutely mental take.

He wasn’t "faking it"; he had a massive chest wound and was actively dying. If a member of the public tells the police they have been stabbed, the basic duty of care is to check properly and call an ambulance, not slap handcuffs on them and assume they are lying to "escape."

As for the video stopping being a "sheer coincidence", the IOPC and the courts don’t launch major investigations over "coincidences."

It’s not about "playing the race card" or being a "snowflake." It's about basic human decency and professional standards. The fact that you are jumping through hoops to defend the police handcuffing a dying victim while letting the blokes who actually killed him walk around the scene is exactly why people say the system is completely broken.

This is exactly why this country is going down the gurgler at a rapid rate of knots. Started by the Tories and accelerated by Starmer's far left lunacy, they don't want you to talk and discuss the deep rooted anti-white racism in our police force.

They just say "Oh look over there at that nasty politician".........and deflect from the problem right in front of our eyes.

If people in this country cannot see that two tier policing is rife in this country, caused by a massive pendulum swing since the Stephen Lawrence murder, followed by extreme DEI training, there really is no hope for cohesion and a united country.

No, what they want is people to respect the wishes of a father who has lost his son.

But never mind that, because a few people decided they want a scrap so they just decide they'll use this as a lame excuse. It's pathetic. They should behave like human beings, not f*cking animals.

And they are cunts, the lot of them. And so is anybody who depends them.

There are questions to ask for the police but responding with rage or anger is not the way to go.

There we go again, left wing deflection, but not addressing the actual issue of two tier policing.

Straight question Ned: Do you believe that the DEI training has affected police judgement (as stated by ex-officers of the Hampshire police)?

Did you not see the bit where I said "there are questions for the police to answer"?

In answer to your question, without having worked within the police I can't say for sure. But there does seem to be some voices suggesting that is the case and they should be advised that all lives matter - white British, other ethnicities and including immigrants.

Did you not see the bit where I said "there are questions for the police to answer"?

That's like saying Jack the Ripper might have been a little bit naughty.

They handcuffed a dying student who could hardly speak or breathe, and let the murderer, his brother and Father walk around looking down on him.

During the police response, 18-year-old student Henry told officers nine times that he could not breathe and four times that he had been stabbed

But to say that's how all police officers behave is nonsense.

Anyone who says otherwise has an agenda or is just plain stupid.

"But to say that's how all police officers behave is nonsense."

Nobody is saying every single copper behaves like this, but ignoring the systemic failure here is blind.

When an 18 year old kid says nine times that he can't breathe and four times that he's been stabbed, and the response is to handcuff him while the suspects walk around freely, that isn't a minor slip-up. It's proof of how institutionalised two-tier policing has become. The people trying to downplay this are the ones with the agenda. It’s reached a ludicrous level, and the public has every right to be furious about the state of British policing.

First of all I can’t belive how long this thread has gone on. Seems to me more people are concerned about everything but the unfortunate death of this kid.

Any Bluebina, how many times do you think suspects fake and feign o jury to escape the police image if the police gave everyone a full medical assessment for every complaint they hear. The injury was well hidden it was dark the officer checked him over couldn’t see anything obvious, and told the kid he didn’t think he was stabbed to reassure him. His condition deteriorated and was noticed and acted upon by officer. By sheer coincidence the video is stopped shock horror.

If anyone truly believes deep down that’s there two tier policing in this country then f**k me. Ethnics say the police are racist, white people now playing the race card we can’t both be right, seems to me the police on a whole are even handed if they upsetting both sides of the coin. Or at least criminals and snowflakes that always want to be the victim.

And the name calling because someone’s opinions differ to they own on here would be hilarious if it wasn’t so pathetic.

Kin 'ell. Mad take

When the UTK demo was policed, the old bill had full riot gear on, however the ones policing the extreme left, antifa mob, where the majority of the arrests came from, had normal uniforms on. 2 tier policing
If a Reform councilor had urged his acolytes to cut the throats of leftwingers, he’d be in jail. 2 tier policing.
Not one Pakistani paedophile, has had motivated by racial prejudice, which would increase prison time,added to his charges. 2 tier policing.

It’s stark and has to stop.
Equality before the law, is the cornerstone of our democracy.

What lead to it is some c**t stabbed a teenager in the chest. He the victim here it’s shameful that some are trying to claim they are victims of racist policing.

What a farcical straw man argument you make.
Henry Nowak was murdered by an evil piece of shit.The issue is how the police dealt with the crime.
Who’s claiming they are victims of racist policing?

So the issue of how they dealt with this one incident is two tie policing nationwide. The officer fucked up, he probably feels like shit. Unlike you he didn’t have the luxury of reviewing snippets of the night 6 months or so later.

If the officer knew what he knows now do you think he’d still handcuff or call an ambulance straight away and call for help?

When the UTK demo was policed, the old bill had full riot gear on, however the ones policing the extreme left, antifa mob, where the majority of the arrests came from, had normal uniforms on. 2 tier policing
If a Reform councilor had urged his acolytes to cut the throats of leftwingers, he’d be in jail. 2 tier policing.
Not one Pakistani paedophile, has had motivated by racial prejudice, which would increase prison time,added to his charges. 2 tier policing.

It’s stark and has to stop.
Equality before the law, is the cornerstone of our democracy.

I’m confused now jock is the two tier policing in favour of the right as the lefts had more arrested?
Surely you not saying there’s two tier policing but arresting more of the ones you say they favour?
I mean cry me a river. What’s next the the traffic light turned red when I got there but they didn’t where the immigrant guy drove through. Bloody two tier policing. We sound like people who cry racist police when they arrest a black because it’s noting to do with the machete he’s carrying. We becoming a nation of snowflakes.

When the UTK demo was policed, the old bill had full riot gear on, however the ones policing the extreme left, antifa mob, where the majority of the arrests came from, had normal uniforms on. 2 tier policing
If a Reform councilor had urged his acolytes to cut the throats of leftwingers, he’d be in jail. 2 tier policing.
Not one Pakistani paedophile, has had motivated by racial prejudice, which would increase prison time,added to his charges. 2 tier policing.

It’s stark and has to stop.
Equality before the law, is the cornerstone of our democracy.

I’m confused now jock is the two tier policing in favour of the right as the lefts had more arrested?
Surely you not saying there’s two tier policing but arresting more of the ones you say they favour?
I mean cry me a river. What’s next the the traffic light turned red when I got there but they didn’t where the immigrant guy drove through. Bloody two tier policing. We sound like people who cry racist police when they arrest a black because it’s noting to do with the machete he’s carrying. We becoming a nation of snowflakes.

These people on this thread just want to discredit anyone who has a different view to them in their little club.

That's why they hounded out Sludge, because he had the ability to put his point across.

Didn't understand the uproar because of a word he used, it's a word we've all heard before as we're all adults.

When the UTK demo was policed, the old bill had full riot gear on, however the ones policing the extreme left, antifa mob, where the majority of the arrests came from, had normal uniforms on. 2 tier policing
If a Reform councilor had urged his acolytes to cut the throats of leftwingers, he’d be in jail. 2 tier policing.
Not one Pakistani paedophile, has had motivated by racial prejudice, which would increase prison time,added to his charges. 2 tier policing.

It’s stark and has to stop.
Equality before the law, is the cornerstone of our democracy.

I’m confused now jock is the two tier policing in favour of the right as the lefts had more arrested?
Surely you not saying there’s two tier policing but arresting more of the ones you say they favour?
I mean cry me a river. What’s next the the traffic light turned red when I got there but they didn’t where the immigrant guy drove through. Bloody two tier policing. We sound like people who cry racist police when they arrest a black because it’s noting to do with the machete he’s carrying. We becoming a nation of snowflakes.

These people on this thread just want to discredit anyone who has a different view to them in their little club.

That's why they hounded out Sludge, because he had the ability to put his point across.

Didn't understand the uproar because of a word he used, it's a word we've all heard before as we're all adults.

Everyone’s so sensitive and judgemental.