Well done Millwall

Well done Millwall, I will definitely boo if players take the knee/raise the black power fist. I totally agree with the statement that Black Lives Matter but I totally disagree with the group. I’m booing the BLM group.
It’s a players choice to kneel - fine.
It’s my choice to boo - fine.

Yep 100% agree.

Well done Millwall, I will definitely boo if players take the knee/raise the black power fist. I totally agree with the statement that Black Lives Matter but I totally disagree with the group. I’m booing the BLM group.
It’s a players choice to kneel - fine.
It’s my choice to boo - fine.

Think I’d just stay on the concourse till it’s done. Hope the pointless divisive virtue signaling is gone before fans are allowed in.

Millwall / QPR been on talk sport. They are just going to link arms

Well done Millwall, I will definitely boo if players take the knee/raise the black power fist. I totally agree with the statement that Black Lives Matter but I totally disagree with the group. I’m booing the BLM group.
It’s a players choice to kneel - fine.
It’s my choice to boo - fine.

Think I’d just stay on the concourse till it’s done. Hope the pointless divisive virtue signaling is gone before fans are allowed in.

Spent a lot of time discussing this with mates sat throughout the ground. Popular opinion was we would turn our backs until it was over.

Funny how we're 5 pages in and no one has actually said that players don't take the knee for the blm movement as the FA has incorporated it into their own anti discrimination schemes and the millwall players have said they aren't doing it politically.

I'm sure the usual people will be here desperately trying to justify that it is terribly evil so they don't have to actually listen to the message.

Josh grow up you big fanny perhaps you are surrounded by racists and Nazis the rest of us aren't.
thick as dogshit

You ok hun? You seem to be a bit angry recently Xxx

Josh now I would like you to answer me this. What is your take on BLM ? Do you see them as more political or more justice for black people. What is your view on what BLM is all about ? What are there overall aims ?

'Do you see them as more political or more justice for black people?' The latter
'What is your view on what BLM is all about ?' Racial equality
'What are their overall aims ?' See above.

Obviously you and your millwall 'friend' would be aware that none of this is relevant because, as their extensive research before deciding to boo would've told them, taking the knee was incorporated into the FAs own anti discrimination schemes. The players have said that they're doing it solely for anti discrimination rather than political reasons as well.

Surely you'll agree that now the millwall fans know exactly what it's about if they were to boo again then it would be booing anti discrimination and thus would be unacceptable.

Thank you for your answer and for me is shows you know jack shit about BLM and that’s all I need to know. Have a nice day

Millwall did not take the knee but look at the Twats of QPR who not only took the knee but also done the highly racist and hate filled Black Power fist. No excuse for that

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It’s odd isn’t it.. you’d think both teams would walk off after seeing that..

People need to educate themselves with something other than Facebook propoganda and purposely provocative lies.

The Raised Fist is in no way meant to be racist or hate filled. It has been a sign of fighting oppression for many, many years.

It has been used by white union workers fighting against poor work conditions as well as Jewish communities being victimised by fascists in London.

There are a few people on here who are given too much free reign to peddle their ulterior motivated opinions.

This site needs to get back to football, there are now just too many of these threads being started as click bait and then pinned to the top of the board where football threads should be seen.

Millwall did not take the knee but look at the Twats of QPR who not only took the knee but also done the highly racist and hate filled Black Power fist. No excuse for that

36E74E15-CDA1-4544-866F-20A691CF2040.png

Welsh coal miners used the raised fist gesture during the miner strikes in the 80's.

Thoughts?

Millwall did not take the knee but look at the Twats of QPR who not only took the knee but also done the highly racist and hate filled Black Power fist. No excuse for that

36E74E15-CDA1-4544-866F-20A691CF2040.png

Welsh coal miners used the raised fist gesture during the miner strikes in the 80's.

Thoughts?

Not too sure it was in the same context; more solidarity?

Millwall did not take the knee but look at the Twats of QPR who not only took the knee but also done the highly racist and hate filled Black Power fist. No excuse for that

36E74E15-CDA1-4544-866F-20A691CF2040.png

Welsh coal miners used the raised fist gesture during the miner strikes in the 80's.

Thoughts?

Umm so ask these players doing this fist pump if they are doing it in support of the miners ? No I don’t think so. Spin it all you like It’s a Black Power signal. They will tell you that. Lord above. Next you will be saying Warnock done the fist pump as well for political beliefs

Millwall did not take the knee but look at the Twats of QPR who not only took the knee but also done the highly racist and hate filled Black Power fist. No excuse for that

36E74E15-CDA1-4544-866F-20A691CF2040.png

Welsh coal miners used the raised fist gesture during the miner strikes in the 80's.

Thoughts?

Not too sure it was in the same context; more solidarity?

What context do you think both the miners and BLM fist represent? Genuine question, I want to hear your thoughts.

My point was more to say the raised fist is not a "racist and hate filled Black Power fist". Let's be honest, it's such a simple and basic gesture it's not surprising it has been used by millions for many different causes across the globe.

- Lenin made it a popular symbol before and during his time in power in the 1910's and 20's.
- The "Alliance of Red Front-Fighters" an opposition to the Nazi party adopted it as their salute in the 1920's.
- The Republican Faction used it as a greeting and rallying sign during the Spanish Civil war in the 1930's.
- In the 1950's Mexican Revolutionists adopted it as their symbol.
- In the 60's, students fighting for civil rights made it a popular symbol at their rallies.
- In the late 60's the Black Power movement adopted it as a symbol of theirs.
- In 1968 French factory workers made posters with the symbol as they prepared for several weeks of protesting and strikes.
- In the 80's miners in the UK (not just Wales) used the raised fist symbol.
- In Northern Ireland during the troubles, murals of the red hand of Ulster being clenched as a fist were painted.
- In the early 2000's in the Iraq war insurgent and rebel groups used the symbol as their own.
- In 2015 Ukrainian separatists used it as a salute in their conflict.
- And now in 2020 it is being used once again after a nearly 110 year history. (Some think the gesture could date as far back as the 1850's although that's a lot harder to discern).

But the raised fist has existed in media and politics for almost as many years before the Black Power movement in 60's as it has existed since the Black Power movement.

Millwall did not take the knee but look at the Twats of QPR who not only took the knee but also done the highly racist and hate filled Black Power fist. No excuse for that

36E74E15-CDA1-4544-866F-20A691CF2040.png

Welsh coal miners used the raised fist gesture during the miner strikes in the 80's.

Thoughts?

Umm so ask these players doing this fist pump if they are doing it in support of the miners ? No I don’t think so. Spin it all you like It’s a Black Power signal. They will tell you that. Lord above. Next you will be saying Warnock done the fist pump as well for political beliefs

How about asking the players if they're doing it in support of Black Power?
Why do players making the same gesture as the BP movement in the 60's make the raised fist a BP signal but not a miners signal when it was used by miners in the 80's?
Why is it a BP signal but not a Spanish Republican signal from the 40's?
Why is it a BP signal and not an Iraqi Rebel signal from the 2000's?

Why is it a BP signal and not the new adopted signal of a movement (not an organisation) that wants equality?

Do you think Jr Hoilett is a racist? Bacuna? Nelson? What about every group since the 60's that have used the symbol for their own cause?

Answer me honestly if and why you think these footballers kneeling and raising their fists are racists and black supremacists instead of just brushing off a comment you disagree with with an uncorrelated remark and some emojis and I'll happily listen and take in your side of it to try and appreciate why you believe it.

Millwall did not take the knee but look at the Twats of QPR who not only took the knee but also done the highly racist and hate filled Black Power fist. No excuse for that

36E74E15-CDA1-4544-866F-20A691CF2040.png

Welsh coal miners used the raised fist gesture during the miner strikes in the 80's.

Thoughts?

Umm so ask these players doing this fist pump if they are doing it in support of the miners ? No I don’t think so. Spin it all you like It’s a Black Power signal. They will tell you that. Lord above. Next you will be saying Warnock done the fist pump as well for political beliefs

How about asking the players if they're doing it in support of Black Power?
Why do players making the same gesture as the BP movement in the 60's make the raised fist a BP signal but not a miners signal when it was used by miners in the 80's?
Why is it a BP signal but not a Spanish Republican signal from the 40's?
Why is it a BP signal and not an Iraqi Rebel signal from the 2000's?

Why is it a BP signal and not the new adopted signal of a movement (not an organisation) that wants equality?

Do you think Jr Hoilett is a racist? Bacuna? Nelson? What about every group since the 60's that have used the symbol for their own cause?

Answer me honestly if and why you think these footballers kneeling and raising their fists are racists and black supremacists instead of just brushing off a comment you disagree with with an uncorrelated remark and some emojis and I'll happily listen and take in your side of it to try and appreciate why you believe it.

So the Roman Salute and the Nazi Salute mean the same
Not answering for Nukes but IMO the vast majority of the people kneeling or saluting have been duped by BLM, BLM are a self professed Marxist group,who are part of the Stop Trump Alliance. The only time I want to see a City player raising his arm in the air is to celebrate a goal.

https://twitter.com/TheIDSmiths/status/ ... 00609?s=19

(Can someone get ready to help the huge anti Marxist nuclear blue on what it means plz)

Millwall did not take the knee but look at the Twats of QPR who not only took the knee but also done the highly racist and hate filled Black Power fist. No excuse for that

36E74E15-CDA1-4544-866F-20A691CF2040.png

Welsh coal miners used the raised fist gesture during the miner strikes in the 80's.

Thoughts?

Umm so ask these players doing this fist pump if they are doing it in support of the miners ? No I don’t think so. Spin it all you like It’s a Black Power signal. They will tell you that. Lord above. Next you will be saying Warnock done the fist pump as well for political beliefs

How about asking the players if they're doing it in support of Black Power?
Why do players making the same gesture as the BP movement in the 60's make the raised fist a BP signal but not a miners signal when it was used by miners in the 80's?
Why is it a BP signal but not a Spanish Republican signal from the 40's?
Why is it a BP signal and not an Iraqi Rebel signal from the 2000's?

Why is it a BP signal and not the new adopted signal of a movement (not an organisation) that wants equality?

Do you think Jr Hoilett is a racist? Bacuna? Nelson? What about every group since the 60's that have used the symbol for their own cause?

Answer me honestly if and why you think these footballers kneeling and raising their fists are racists and black supremacists instead of just brushing off a comment you disagree with with an uncorrelated remark and some emojis and I'll happily listen and take in your side of it to try and appreciate why you believe it.

So the Roman Salute and the Nazi Salute mean the same
Not answering for Nukes but IMO the vast majority of the people kneeling or saluting have been duped by BLM, BLM are a self professed Marxist group,who are part of the Stop Trump Alliance. The only time I want to see a City player raising his arm in the air is to celebrate a goal.

No the Roman salute and the Nazi salute don’t mean the same thing, that’s literally my point.
The same way Welsh miners in the 80’s doing the raised fist and the Black Power movement doing the raised fist in the 60’s wasn’t for the same thing. Or Spanish Republicans in the 30’s and French factory workers in the 70’s doing the raised fist wasn’t the same thing.
Yet people are claiming what our players and other players are doing is explicitly in support of the Black Power movement because they’re doing the Black Power salute.

The organisation and movement are very different things. “Black Lives Matter” the saying and the hashtag is from 2012, after a teenager was killed. There isn’t one organisation or group called “BLM” it’s a slogan or rallying call that is used by individuals, groups and funded organisations for various purposes. Some self proclaimed “leaders” of certain factions have ridiculous demands, self policed neighbourhoods, black children only schools, monetary compensation for historical injustices, etc and some use it in much more selfless ways, one group collecting donations for BLM used it to buy new equipment for a school in a deprived area (I can’t remember which state but I’ll try find the story).
I have no doubt there are people who use BLM to push Marxist, fascist, right-wing and left-wing views but claiming anything in support of BLM is a Marxist, anti Trump, black supremacist supporter is as ridiculous as claiming all Christians who say “God bless you” are is support of Priests molesting children and crusades to take back the Holy Land from Islamic occupation.

I was involved in the 1984/5 miners strike, I picketed the Cwm and Nantgarw pits regularly, was at Orgreave, went on the march against pit closures through London and attended several rallies including the big Welsh NUM one at the Afan Lido, I don't recall the south Wales miners using the raised fist salute at all.

The comparison could be made that the swastika isn't a symbol of the Nazis but the Swatstika in a white circle on a red background is the Nazi flag.

A clenched fist is not a symbol uniquely of BLM but a clenched fist, while taking the knee has become universally acknowledged as the BLM salute.

The context surrounding the symbolism is important.

The organisation and movement are very different things. “Black Lives Matter” the saying and the hashtag is from 2012, after a teenager was killed. There isn’t one organisation or group called “BLM” it’s a slogan or rallying call that is used by individuals, groups and funded organisations for various purposes.

With respect WestCoast, this isn't strictly true. While I'm not saying it's you that is pushing the false narrative intentionally, it is still a false narrative that there was a grass roots movement, that was usurped by this shadowy organisation BLM.

The two have always been the same. There is no organic black lives matter movement, just very good marketing and manipulation.

The important omission in your post is that Alicia Garza, Patrisse Cullors, and Opal Tometi are the three people credited with being the originators of the hashtag #BlackLIvesMatter campaign and are also the three co-founders Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation.

In fairness, they've never really hidden what they were all about either, just people didn't take the time to check before endorsing them. Cullors particularly has been open about their political backgrounds and ideologies.

In her own words:

“The first thing, I think, is that we actually do have an ideological frame. Myself and Alicia in particular are trained organizers,” she said, referring to BLM co-founder Alicia Garza.

“We are trained Marxists. We are super-versed on, sort of, ideological theories."

The #BlackLIvesMatter hashtag campaign was just that, a calculated and planned campaign. It deliberately built upon a genuine organic movement that already had gone viral that used the hashtags #TrayvonMartin alongside #OscarGrant (Trayvon Martin being the teenager killed by George Zimmerman in 2012 and Oscar Grant being killed by Police in 2009).

There was no grassroots movement for BLM, it was all carefully planned by the very same people who founded the organisation just a few months later. It was preemptive, calculated and quite frankly genius in terms of launching a global brand. If it wasn't for the fact that they are hellbent on overthrowing capitalism they could make a fortune advising global brands on viral marketing.

They're very, very smart people who understand how we consume the news and play that game very, very well. They are also, quite frankly evil. They are stoking the fires of a race war and they are doing it deliberately and through deception.

How many people know that Trayvon Martin was actually killed by a brown person, not a white man for example? Or that Derek Chauvin, the man that killed George Floyd, not only knew Floyd directly but had documented disagreements with him and that Chauvin's wife is also a person of colour.

Both deaths were used visibly by BLM to build a narrative of systemic white supremacy within the US. Neither death, has ever been proven to be racially motivated. Treyvon Martin's death didn't even have a white person involved. Chauvin was so racist he married a person of colour.

Yet, BLM leveraged these tragedies to build a narrative of evil white supremacists lurking in every corner. To scare the black community they claim to represent and turn us all against each other.

They know that we live in a low-information age, they understand the way hate-clicks drive social media far more than positive posts. They understand how to build and nurture echo-chambers, to further drive division and fuel racial tensions.

Again, they are very, very good at what they do.

But they are not what they seem they never have been and the narrative of a grassroots black lives matter movement is nothing but a myth.

As for footballers kneeling...

Ignorance is not an excuse and neither is cowardice to go against the herd.

Regardless of whether the FA or anyone else wants to try to portray kneeling before the game as unrelated to BLM, in this moment of history, that action is intrinsically linked with supporting BLM.

Kneeling is explicit support of BLM. It is explicit support of the rhetoric of racial division that underpins BLM. It is explicit support of the deliberate divisiveness built on nothing but lies for ideological gain that runs through the heart of BLM.

Anyone supporting that rightly deserves to be booed.

You’ve done it now ealing. For that nonconformist outburst you shall receive another Josh wikilink..

You’ve done it now ealing. For that nonconformist outburst you shall receive another Josh wikilink..

His cut and paste skills are certainly a mighty weapon, that is for sure, but they are a scourge upon this land and we must be brave young Rumpo.

(for some reason in my head that came out in Liam Neeson's voice)

Millwall did not take the knee but look at the Twats of QPR who not only took the knee but also done the highly racist and hate filled Black Power fist. No excuse for that

36E74E15-CDA1-4544-866F-20A691CF2040.png

Welsh coal miners used the raised fist gesture during the miner strikes in the 80's.

Thoughts?

Umm so ask these players doing this fist pump if they are doing it in support of the miners ? No I don’t think so. Spin it all you like It’s a Black Power signal. They will tell you that. Lord above. Next you will be saying Warnock done the fist pump as well for political beliefs

How about asking the players if they're doing it in support of Black Power?
Why do players making the same gesture as the BP movement in the 60's make the raised fist a BP signal but not a miners signal when it was used by miners in the 80's?
Why is it a BP signal but not a Spanish Republican signal from the 40's?
Why is it a BP signal and not an Iraqi Rebel signal from the 2000's?

Why is it a BP signal and not the new adopted signal of a movement (not an organisation) that wants equality?

Do you think Jr Hoilett is a racist? Bacuna? Nelson? What about every group since the 60's that have used the symbol for their own cause?

Answer me honestly if and why you think these footballers kneeling and raising their fists are racists and black supremacists instead of just brushing off a comment you disagree with with an uncorrelated remark and some emojis and I'll happily listen and take in your side of it to try and appreciate why you believe it.

Do if someone does a Nazi salute can you say it has nothing to do with Fascism and they are doing it for there own beliefs ?

The organisation and movement are very different things. “Black Lives Matter” the saying and the hashtag is from 2012, after a teenager was killed. There isn’t one organisation or group called “BLM” it’s a slogan or rallying call that is used by individuals, groups and funded organisations for various purposes.

With respect WestCoast, this isn't strictly true. While I'm not saying it's you that is pushing the false narrative intentionally, it is still a false narrative that there was a grass roots movement, that was usurped by this shadowy organisation BLM.

The two have always been the same. There is no organic black lives matter movement, just very good marketing and manipulation.

The important omission in your post is that Alicia Garza, Patrisse Cullors, and Opal Tometi are the three people credited with being the originators of the hashtag #BlackLIvesMatter campaign and are also the three co-founders Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation.

In fairness, they've never really hidden what they were all about either, just people didn't take the time to check before endorsing them. Cullors particularly has been open about their political backgrounds and ideologies.

In her own words:

“The first thing, I think, is that we actually do have an ideological frame. Myself and Alicia in particular are trained organizers,” she said, referring to BLM co-founder Alicia Garza.

“We are trained Marxists. We are super-versed on, sort of, ideological theories."

The #BlackLIvesMatter hashtag campaign was just that, a calculated and planned campaign. It deliberately built upon a genuine organic movement that already had gone viral that used the hashtags #TrayvonMartin alongside #OscarGrant (Trayvon Martin being the teenager killed by George Zimmerman in 2012 and Oscar Grant being killed by Police in 2009).

There was no grassroots movement for BLM, it was all carefully planned by the very same people who founded the organisation just a few months later. It was preemptive, calculated and quite frankly genius in terms of launching a global brand. If it wasn't for the fact that they are hellbent on overthrowing capitalism they could make a fortune advising global brands on viral marketing.

They're very, very smart people who understand how we consume the news and play that game very, very well. They are also, quite frankly evil. They are stoking the fires of a race war and they are doing it deliberately and through deception.

How many people know that Trayvon Martin was actually killed by a brown person, not a white man for example? Or that Derek Chauvin, the man that killed George Floyd, not only knew Floyd directly but had documented disagreements with him and that Chauvin's wife is also a person of colour.

Both deaths were used visibly by BLM to build a narrative of systemic white supremacy within the US. Neither death, has ever been proven to be racially motivated. Treyvon Martin's death didn't even have a white person involved. Chauvin was so racist he married a person of colour.

Yet, BLM leveraged these tragedies to build a narrative of evil white supremacists lurking in every corner. To scare the black community they claim to represent and turn us all against each other.

They know that we live in a low-information age, they understand the way hate-clicks drive social media far more than positive posts. They understand how to build and nurture echo-chambers, to further drive division and fuel racial tensions.

Again, they are very, very good at what they do.

But they are not what they seem they never have been and the narrative of a grassroots black lives matter movement is nothing but a myth.

As for footballers kneeling...

Ignorance is not an excuse and neither is cowardice to go against the herd.

Regardless of whether the FA or anyone else wants to try to portray kneeling before the game as unrelated to BLM, in this moment of history, that action is intrinsically linked with supporting BLM.

Kneeling is explicit support of BLM. It is explicit support of the rhetoric of racial division that underpins BLM. It is explicit support of the deliberate divisiveness built on nothing but lies for ideological gain that runs through the heart of BLM.

Anyone supporting that rightly deserves to be booed.

Superb post Chief

You’ve done it now ealing. For that nonconformist outburst you shall receive another Josh wikilink..

His cut and paste skills are certainly a mighty weapon, that is for sure, but they are a scourge upon this land and we must be brave young Rumpo.

(for some reason in my head that came out in Liam Neeson's voice)

So cute that I have a fan club. I'd rather you were a bit less obsessed with me but thanks for thinking about me anyway xxx

You’ve done it now ealing. For that nonconformist outburst you shall receive another Josh wikilink..

His cut and paste skills are certainly a mighty weapon, that is for sure, but they are a scourge upon this land and we must be brave young Rumpo.

(for some reason in my head that came out in Liam Neeson's voice)

So cute that I have a fan club. I'd rather you were a bit less obsessed with me but thanks for thinking about me anyway xxx

Say his name three times backwards in a mirror after beating Stoke away and he shall appear like some gruesome spectre clutching his tattered copy of the Communist Manifesto (Colouring Book Edition) shrieking and wailing, copying and pasting until he drives you utterly, totally and completely insane.

Shoj, Shoj, Sh...

Millwall did not take the knee but look at the Twats of QPR who not only took the knee but also done the highly racist and hate filled Black Power fist. No excuse for that

36E74E15-CDA1-4544-866F-20A691CF2040.png

Welsh coal miners used the raised fist gesture during the miner strikes in the 80's.

Thoughts?

Umm so ask these players doing this fist pump if they are doing it in support of the miners ? No I don’t think so. Spin it all you like It’s a Black Power signal. They will tell you that. Lord above. Next you will be saying Warnock done the fist pump as well for political beliefs

How about asking the players if they're doing it in support of Black Power?
Why do players making the same gesture as the BP movement in the 60's make the raised fist a BP signal but not a miners signal when it was used by miners in the 80's?
Why is it a BP signal but not a Spanish Republican signal from the 40's?
Why is it a BP signal and not an Iraqi Rebel signal from the 2000's?

Why is it a BP signal and not the new adopted signal of a movement (not an organisation) that wants equality?

Do you think Jr Hoilett is a racist? Bacuna? Nelson? What about every group since the 60's that have used the symbol for their own cause?

Answer me honestly if and why you think these footballers kneeling and raising their fists are racists and black supremacists instead of just brushing off a comment you disagree with with an uncorrelated remark and some emojis and I'll happily listen and take in your side of it to try and appreciate why you believe it.

Do if someone does a Nazi salute can you say it has nothing to do with Fascism and they are doing it for there own beliefs ?

Again you miss my point completely.
Presumably if someone was doing the Nazi salute their own beliefs would be Nazism, because as far as I'm aware the only major instances of it's use are the Nazis and then the Romans 2000 years prior. So either they're doing the Nazi salute in support of fascist ideals from 80 years ago or in support of an empire from 2 millennia ago. I would imagine the Roman Empire is running very short on supporters these days.

The raised fist however has been used by dozens of different organisations and groups in the last century yet you continuously claim it is a Black Power symbol despite it existing, arguably, 100 years prior to the movement and has had continuous use in the 60 years since it's use by the Black Power movement.

I want to know why you believe it's use today is done in support of racism and black supremacy as you have claimed. My personal belief is that it has, once again like countless times before, been adopted as a symbol of a new movement.

Superb post Chief

Cheers mate, but truth is there is nothing in my post that you haven't said yourself many, many times. You've been consistently banging on the money for a long time from where I'm standing

You’ve done it now ealing. For that nonconformist outburst you shall receive another Josh wikilink..

His cut and paste skills are certainly a mighty weapon, that is for sure, but they are a scourge upon this land and we must be brave young Rumpo.

(for some reason in my head that came out in Liam Neeson's voice)

So cute that I have a fan club. I'd rather you were a bit less obsessed with me but thanks for thinking about me anyway xxx

Say his name three times backwards in a mirror after beating Stoke away and he shall appear like some gruesome spectre clutching his tattered copy of the Communist Manifesto (Colouring Book Edition) shrieking and wailing, copying and pasting until he drives you utterly, totally and completely insane.

Shoj, Shoj, Sh...

Oh no! What a burn! However will I recover?
I'm more upset that you didn't elongate that response into an essay like you normally do tbh.

Try to hide your addiction to me all you want but it's still clear to see. xxxx

You’ve done it now ealing. For that nonconformist outburst you shall receive another Josh wikilink..

His cut and paste skills are certainly a mighty weapon, that is for sure, but they are a scourge upon this land and we must be brave young Rumpo.

(for some reason in my head that came out in Liam Neeson's voice)

So cute that I have a fan club. I'd rather you were a bit less obsessed with me but thanks for thinking about me anyway xxx

Say his name three times backwards in a mirror after beating Stoke away and he shall appear like some gruesome spectre clutching his tattered copy of the Communist Manifesto (Colouring Book Edition) shrieking and wailing, copying and pasting until he drives you utterly, totally and completely insane.

Shoj, Shoj, Sh...

Oh no! What a burn! However will I recover?
I'm more upset that you didn't elongate that response into an essay like you normally do tbh.

Try to hide your addiction to me all you want but it's still clear to see. xxxx

Maybe not the most cutting of jibes but it made me laugh.

Far better than calling someone out by name on a message board and insinuating they were guilty of the very worst of crimes without any grounds to back that claim up at all.

I prefer to keep jibes gentle unlike some on here who can go way, way, way too far and act like complete low-life scum...

Just my personal moral compass.

I know you and I have very different beliefs when it comes to morality though.

Millwall did not take the knee but look at the Twats of QPR who not only took the knee but also done the highly racist and hate filled Black Power fist. No excuse for that

36E74E15-CDA1-4544-866F-20A691CF2040.png

Welsh coal miners used the raised fist gesture during the miner strikes in the 80's.

Thoughts?

Not too sure it was in the same context; more solidarity?

What context do you think both the miners and BLM fist represent? Genuine question, I want to hear your thoughts.

My point was more to say the raised fist is not a "racist and hate filled Black Power fist". Let's be honest, it's such a simple and basic gesture it's not surprising it has been used by millions for many different causes across the globe.

- Lenin made it a popular symbol before and during his time in power in the 1910's and 20's.
- The "Alliance of Red Front-Fighters" an opposition to the Nazi party adopted it as their salute in the 1920's.
- The Republican Faction used it as a greeting and rallying sign during the Spanish Civil war in the 1930's.
- In the 1950's Mexican Revolutionists adopted it as their symbol.
- In the 60's, students fighting for civil rights made it a popular symbol at their rallies.
- In the late 60's the Black Power movement adopted it as a symbol of theirs.
- In 1968 French factory workers made posters with the symbol as they prepared for several weeks of protesting and strikes.
- In the 80's miners in the UK (not just Wales) used the raised fist symbol.
- In Northern Ireland during the troubles, murals of the red hand of Ulster being clenched as a fist were painted.
- In the early 2000's in the Iraq war insurgent and rebel groups used the symbol as their own.
- In 2015 Ukrainian separatists used it as a salute in their conflict.
- And now in 2020 it is being used once again after a nearly 110 year history. (Some think the gesture could date as far back as the 1850's although that's a lot harder to discern).

But the raised fist has existed in media and politics for almost as many years before the Black Power movement in 60's as it has existed since the Black Power movement.

Quite a response to a simple question, fella; and here is my reply...

It's all about context and you simply cannot compare many of your (late researched) examples to the plight of the miners. When it started is not the issue (I dare say the Greeks, Trojans, Romans et al used it first and maybe even Neanderthal man from Gower) but in what context for each one?

The BLM (Black Power version) 'arm pump' has no place in football/sport but 'taking the knee' is a simple gesture to show the togetherness of all players on the subject of racism that does not offend me