Would you vote to scrap the Welsh Assembly?

100% waste of space and time,a bunch of fat cats with their noses firmly entrenched in the trough,nothing wrong with the Welsh Office to look after our affairs,every time the Scots do something extreme these clowns try something similar.
Turn it into a beer hall or something useful.

Fat cats that cost less than the ones we send to Westminster and the EU you mean.given the balance of power, you could also argue they do a lot more for less too

Recent ERS showed scrapping 11Mp/4Meps and adding 28 Ams would save us money!

Just know facts, once you do, you'll be alright

Why do we need another 28 parasites, we have more than enough already.

I see the shouty Taffia brigade have infiltrated here as well.

It seems the snowflake Taffia who are social media savvy just drown out normal sane thinking people by shouting louder and harder than everyone else - you can usually see this on social media and fora as they end up overshouting each other and continue on for sometime after most sane people ave given up and moved on.

The shame being is they believe their self perpetuating rubbish and that is how we are stuck with the white elephant of Cardiff Airport and Carwyn's darkroom fiddlers massaging the figures and other such 'vanity' projects for the Taffia.

Independent reports at the time stated cardiff Airport was worth about £20-30m - yet Carwyn and the Taffia boyos thought it prudent to blow just over DOUBLE the mid point figure on it at £52m!!

Compulsory Welsh language lessons in comps are a joke - most Yr 10/Yr11 kids don't want it forced down their throats and see compulsory Welsh lessons as a chance to piss about, sleep or complete homework from other subjects - some will resign themselves to going through the motions and pay it lip service but I've yet to see a kid in a compulsory Welsh lesson actually want to really do well in it - either that or they kept their powder very dry and hidden.

You talk of the Taffia as if they exist you loon. Nobody has infiltrated anywhere, I'm a Welsh Cardiff fan like you.

There were two democratic referendums in the last 20 years, both were won.

As for Cardiff airport - http://www.walesonline.co.uk/business/b ... s-11153242

As for the Welsh language, this is Wales. If you want to stop compulsory lessons, we'll target RE first methinks.

As it stands, Welsh Gov spend 50% of their budget on health, less than 2% on the Welsh language.

Basically, no need to wrap everything up with the snowflake bollocks. Just say what you mean.

Wales is a region that should be run by an unelected Welsh office from London. Wasn't hard was it. Now run on that platform and see where it gets you. Honesty is best, just say you are a spineless worm who wants his English overlords to run Wales

N.b for your own sake, whatever you read/watch, just put it away for a week. Perhaps even try using multiple sources to get your information. It should help you out

I see the shouty Taffia brigade have infiltrated here as well.

It seems the snowflake Taffia who are social media savvy just drown out normal sane thinking people by shouting louder and harder than everyone else - you can usually see this on social media and fora as they end up overshouting each other and continue on for sometime after most sane people ave given up and moved on.

The shame being is they believe their self perpetuating rubbish and that is how we are stuck with the white elephant of Cardiff Airport and Carwyn's darkroom fiddlers massaging the figures and other such 'vanity' projects for the Taffia.

Independent reports at the time stated cardiff Airport was worth about £20-30m - yet Carwyn and the Taffia boyos thought it prudent to blow just over DOUBLE the mid point figure on it at £52m!!

Compulsory Welsh language lessons in comps are a joke - most Yr 10/Yr11 kids don't want it forced down their throats and see compulsory Welsh lessons as a chance to piss about, sleep or complete homework from other subjects - some will resign themselves to going through the motions and pay it lip service but I've yet to see a kid in a compulsory Welsh lesson actually want to really do well in it - either that or they kept their powder very dry and hidden.

You talk of the Taffia as if they exist you loon. Nobody has infiltrated anywhere, I'm a Welsh Cardiff fan like you.

There were two democratic referendums in the last 20 years, both were won.

As for Cardiff airport - http://www.walesonline.co.uk/business/b ... s-11153242

As for the Welsh language, this is Wales. If you want to stop compulsory lessons, we'll target RE first methinks.

As it stands, Welsh Gov spend 50% of their budget on health, less than 2% on the Welsh language.

Basically, no need to wrap everything up with the snowflake bollocks. Just say what you mean.

Wales is a region that should be run by an unelected Welsh office from London. Wasn't hard was it. Now run on that platform and see where it gets you. Honesty is best, just say you are a spineless worm who wants his English overlords to run Wales

N.b for your own sake, whatever you read/watch, just put it away for a week. Perhaps even try using multiple sources to get your information. It should help you out

It's your sort of inflamatarory language that turns many Welsh people against the Welsh language and the Wels Assembly. The minute you resort to insults, you lose all credibility.

Wales is a region that should be run by an unelected Welsh office from London. Wasn't hard was it. Now run on that platform and see where it gets you. Honesty is best, just say you are a spineless worm who wants his English overlords to run Wales

[/quote]
Thought the Welsh Office was in Cathays.

English overlords.....spineless worms ........what a crank you are.

I think tcblue's carer must have been on the bog and left their ipad unlocked and in reach.

Typical Taffia ranty shouty aggressive nonsense.

RE is no longer a compulsorily examined subject. Welsh second language is... taking up around 2-3 hours a week of a Yr10/11 kid's 25 hour timetable.

I'm sure most kids and parents would prefer it to be optional and the time given over to Science, Maths, English or their chosen option subjects.

NO.

NO.

What have the Welsh Assembly done that you are proud of.

100% waste of space and time,a bunch of fat cats with their noses firmly entrenched in the trough,nothing wrong with the Welsh Office to look after our affairs,every time the Scots do something extreme these clowns try something similar.
Turn it into a beer hall or something useful.

Hi Ninianman, If you want to quote "100% waste of space and time,a bunch of fat cats with their noses firmly entrenched in the trough" try the house of Lords before attacking the Senedd whose elected Members only have Wales`s best interests to keep them in a job. While as a Family now known as "Windsor" only came into being in 1917 after the events of First World War they chose to change their name (after their favourite paid by the State Castle) from their previous Germanic title of " Saxe-Coburg-Gotha" after fears from the peoples over throwing of the Russian Monarchy they appeared to Anglo-size themselves to prevent a similar revolution . The Queen is the Head of State in Commonwealth Countries who possesses the power to dismiss and appoint all new Prime Minsters and Parliament Members ( e.g Australia 1975), she can command Armed Forces, refuse Parliamentary Legislation and pardon committed Criminals,In these foreign lands where her subservient`s must swear allegiance to her and not the people who elected them, this includes not just Politicians but Lawyers, Judges & Police. The Crown Estate Leaseholds property to the Businessmen of the Commonwealth and this cash never makes it to the UK Treasury and yet the "UK" remains in a Financial deficit .She speaks to every elected Prime Minster once a week since her reign,not to mention old our good old " Prince of Wales" Charlie boys ( One of the richest Business men in the UK who has his own Tax Haven in Cornwall) continuous letters to the Prime Ministers for decades both of which are not part of the freedom of information act until a lengthy legal battle with the Guardian newspaper which was taken to the Supreme Court at the UK Treasuries expense, which broke a milestone in 2015 https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... egislation (still can`t touch the queen though) I could go on and on about allegations in Jersey,Vancouver, and her close friendship to Jimmy Saville and Mount Batton but this debate is about the Senedd remaining to exist, So I will try leaving the Monarchy out of this discussion though I have mentioned them just to quote your words "100% waste of space and time,a bunch of fat cats with their noses firmly entrenched in the trough" , do you honestly trust the House of Lords as a better use of Tax payers money than the Senedd, this is not a Language topic (not that you mentioned it) its the about the future of Wales, do we just jest about being "The England Haters" or are we actually a entity of our own equal to the other members of the UK?

The fact other bodies, organisations or groups are self serving parasites doesn't change anything, the assembly is full of clowns more interested in feathering their own nests than looking after the needs of the people of Wales. You work/worked in the public sector, didn't you?

Q.! Did you work in the Public Sector? A- No, but have met more than I should have on my path in life, Q-1 Are you, a spook? Less than one here on this forum pro Cardiff City fair play too you. I understand the Pyramid and would prefer Wales/Cymru to stay one of the Bricks. Q.1 Would you like a UK Federal Police State, broken down to postcodes run between Whitehall,"The Windsors",The House of Commons/Lords with a few Secretaries running the all new regions North/Midlands & Wales/South West & of course the South East region where people the world over have always had the temptation of higher wages and lifestyle better transport links Sport/Music/Arts all covered on World Tours best of the best.Rule Britannia Brawd.

I see the shouty Taffia brigade have infiltrated here as well.

It seems the snowflake Taffia who are social media savvy just drown out normal sane thinking people by shouting louder and harder than everyone else - you can usually see this on social media and fora as they end up overshouting each other and continue on for sometime after most sane people ave given up and moved on.

The shame being is they believe their self perpetuating rubbish and that is how we are stuck with the white elephant of Cardiff Airport and Carwyn's darkroom fiddlers massaging the figures and other such 'vanity' projects for the Taffia.

Independent reports at the time stated cardiff Airport was worth about £20-30m - yet Carwyn and the Taffia boyos thought it prudent to blow just over DOUBLE the mid point figure on it at £52m!!

Compulsory Welsh language lessons in comps are a joke - most Yr 10/Yr11 kids don't want it forced down their throats and see compulsory Welsh lessons as a chance to piss about, sleep or complete homework from other subjects - some will resign themselves to going through the motions and pay it lip service but I've yet to see a kid in a compulsory Welsh lesson actually want to really do well in it - either that or they kept their powder very dry and hidden.

You talk of the Taffia as if they exist you loon. Nobody has infiltrated anywhere, I'm a Welsh Cardiff fan like you.

There were two democratic referendums in the last 20 years, both were won.

As for Cardiff airport - http://www.walesonline.co.uk/business/b ... s-11153242

As for the Welsh language, this is Wales. If you want to stop compulsory lessons, we'll target RE first methinks.

As it stands, Welsh Gov spend 50% of their budget on health, less than 2% on the Welsh language.

Basically, no need to wrap everything up with the snowflake bollocks. Just say what you mean.

Wales is a region that should be run by an unelected Welsh office from London. Wasn't hard was it. Now run on that platform and see where it gets you. Honesty is best, just say you are a spineless worm who wants his English overlords to run Wales

N.b for your own sake, whatever you read/watch, just put it away for a week. Perhaps even try using multiple sources to get your information. It should help you out

Exactly I`ve think I`m at Treason level now, fellow Bluebirds I maybe said to much, but the Passion runs deep. Please remain objective do you own research its all out there pick your rabbit hole, Q.1 Are you a Proud Welsh/British Person or a Full on Brit, hold your hands up, because remind yourselves of Ninian Park or maybe your first time watching Cardiff City F.C or watching Euro 2016 Q.2 - Who have we always famously sung about being full of shit? Are we (A) The Greatest Team in (Welsh)Football(B) or as we mock ourselves Welsh Sheep Shagging Bastards ?

I think tcblue's carer must have been on the bog and left their ipad unlocked and in reach.

Typical Taffia ranty shouty aggressive nonsense.

RE is no longer a compulsorily examined subject. Welsh second language is... taking up around 2-3 hours a week of a Yr10/11 kid's 25 hour timetable.

I'm sure most kids and parents would prefer it to be optional and the time given over to Science, Maths, English or their chosen option subjects.

Hi Mulberry another new poster your welcome to the debate, good research on the compulsory RE lessons, and witty remark 10/10. Yes children learn Welsh/Cymraeg for 2hrs at GCSE level this should be lowered a optional subject after year 7 (then Third year) as was introduced via Welsh Language Act which I proud to speak pigeon Cymraeg from.By the way on our only motorway the M4 corridor it is Free to return to England and pay for prescriptions. though I doubt you even live this side of Bridge IMO.

Anyone who thinks I`m a one eyed blinkered Anti Brit,Pro EU/Welsh poster, I think one of the best books I have ever read and would recommend anyone is the "Great Deception" check it out, our EU days are over "Hwyl" , the Vatican have no say in the UK, but can Wales keep it voice in Westminster going forwards without the Senedd, who existance realistically its in its infancy and Wales is better for it.Without it being there like the annoying younger sibling sticking up for its self, Laws will pass and within miles of your house, they`ll be Fracking for the Crown in no time, does anyone like the thought of that? because that`s going to be major issue of the next decade. Please educate yourself about Fracking and the communities it ruins, doesn`t take many men these days per site maximum profit. Cash from the ground but way more hazardous than Deep/Open Cast Coal Mining.

NO.

What have the Welsh Assembly done that you are proud of.

Organ donation, smoking ban, carrier bag charge, student fees...

I think tcblue's carer must have been on the bog and left their ipad unlocked and in reach.

Typical Taffia ranty shouty aggressive nonsense.

RE is no longer a compulsorily examined subject. Welsh second language is... taking up around 2-3 hours a week of a Yr10/11 kid's 25 hour timetable.

I'm sure most kids and parents would prefer it to be optional and the time given over to Science, Maths, English or their chosen option subjects.

I take it you're not Welsh or you wouldn't be running your country down as you do. There is a border, I'm sure you'd be happier living there.

I think tcblue's carer must have been on the bog and left their ipad unlocked and in reach.

Typical Taffia ranty shouty aggressive nonsense.

RE is no longer a compulsorily examined subject. Welsh second language is... taking up around 2-3 hours a week of a Yr10/11 kid's 25 hour timetable.

I'm sure most kids and parents would prefer it to be optional and the time given over to Science, Maths, English or their chosen option subjects.

I take it you're not Welsh or you wouldn't be running your country down as you do. There is a border, I'm sure you'd be happier living there.

Every country has its share of retards, see the SNP in Scotland for example, don't confuse contention over the absurd amount of tax payers money spunked on the Welsh Language with an attack on the country itself. My daughter got an science degree in Cardiff Uni, that's helped her career a lot more than speaking Welsh ever would, unless of course she chose to make a career in S4C.

100% waste of space and time,a bunch of fat cats with their noses firmly entrenched in the trough,nothing wrong with the Welsh Office to look after our affairs,every time the Scots do something extreme these clowns try something similar.
Turn it into a beer hall or something useful.

Hi Ninianman, If you want to quote "100% waste of space and time,a bunch of fat cats with their noses firmly entrenched in the trough" try the house of Lords before attacking the Senedd whose elected Members only have Wales`s best interests to keep them in a job. While as a Family now known as "Windsor" only came into being in 1917 after the events of First World War they chose to change their name (after their favourite paid by the State Castle) from their previous Germanic title of " Saxe-Coburg-Gotha" after fears from the peoples over throwing of the Russian Monarchy they appeared to Anglo-size themselves to prevent a similar revolution . The Queen is the Head of State in Commonwealth Countries who possesses the power to dismiss and appoint all new Prime Minsters and Parliament Members ( e.g Australia 1975), she can command Armed Forces, refuse Parliamentary Legislation and pardon committed Criminals,In these foreign lands where her subservient`s must swear allegiance to her and not the people who elected them, this includes not just Politicians but Lawyers, Judges & Police. The Crown Estate Leaseholds property to the Businessmen of the Commonwealth and this cash never makes it to the UK Treasury and yet the "UK" remains in a Financial deficit .She speaks to every elected Prime Minster once a week since her reign,not to mention old our good old " Prince of Wales" Charlie boys ( One of the richest Business men in the UK who has his own Tax Haven in Cornwall) continuous letters to the Prime Ministers for decades both of which are not part of the freedom of information act until a lengthy legal battle with the Guardian newspaper which was taken to the Supreme Court at the UK Treasuries expense, which broke a milestone in 2015 https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... egislation (still can`t touch the queen though) I could go on and on about allegations in Jersey,Vancouver, and her close friendship to Jimmy Saville and Mount Batton but this debate is about the Senedd remaining to exist, So I will try leaving the Monarchy out of this discussion though I have mentioned them just to quote your words "100% waste of space and time,a bunch of fat cats with their noses firmly entrenched in the trough" , do you honestly trust the House of Lords as a better use of Tax payers money than the Senedd, this is not a Language topic (not that you mentioned it) its the about the future of Wales, do we just jest about being "The England Haters" or are we actually a entity of our own equal to the other members of the UK?

The fact other bodies, organisations or groups are self serving parasites doesn't change anything, the assembly is full of clowns more interested in feathering their own nests than looking after the needs of the people of Wales. You work/worked in the public sector, didn't you?

You have no proof of this though. You also seem to imply that AMs are somehow more parasitic than other politicians. How can this be when they do more for less

100% waste of space and time,a bunch of fat cats with their noses firmly entrenched in the trough,nothing wrong with the Welsh Office to look after our affairs,every time the Scots do something extreme these clowns try something similar.
Turn it into a beer hall or something useful.

Fat cats that cost less than the ones we send to Westminster and the EU you mean.given the balance of power, you could also argue they do a lot more for less too

Recent ERS showed scrapping 11Mp/4Meps and adding 28 Ams would save us money!

Just know facts, once you do, you'll be alright

Why do we need another 28 parasites, we have more than enough already.

Again, why call them parasites. If this thread has proven anything, AMs are less parasitic than the power hungry fools we send to London. Even at face value, it costs twice as much to send a politician to London than to Cardiff.

I personally believe democracy does come at a cost. I also don't see mass amounts of money being wasted. The last time I did it was the expenses scandal and... that happened where? Westminster

If you were to say all politicians are parasites and I dont want any money going to any, fair enough. At least that is a logical train of thought and we can leave it there

I see the shouty Taffia brigade have infiltrated here as well.

It seems the snowflake Taffia who are social media savvy just drown out normal sane thinking people by shouting louder and harder than everyone else - you can usually see this on social media and fora as they end up overshouting each other and continue on for sometime after most sane people ave given up and moved on.

The shame being is they believe their self perpetuating rubbish and that is how we are stuck with the white elephant of Cardiff Airport and Carwyn's darkroom fiddlers massaging the figures and other such 'vanity' projects for the Taffia.

Independent reports at the time stated cardiff Airport was worth about £20-30m - yet Carwyn and the Taffia boyos thought it prudent to blow just over DOUBLE the mid point figure on it at £52m!!

Compulsory Welsh language lessons in comps are a joke - most Yr 10/Yr11 kids don't want it forced down their throats and see compulsory Welsh lessons as a chance to piss about, sleep or complete homework from other subjects - some will resign themselves to going through the motions and pay it lip service but I've yet to see a kid in a compulsory Welsh lesson actually want to really do well in it - either that or they kept their powder very dry and hidden.

You talk of the Taffia as if they exist you loon. Nobody has infiltrated anywhere, I'm a Welsh Cardiff fan like you.

There were two democratic referendums in the last 20 years, both were won.

As for Cardiff airport - http://www.walesonline.co.uk/business/b ... s-11153242

As for the Welsh language, this is Wales. If you want to stop compulsory lessons, we'll target RE first methinks.

As it stands, Welsh Gov spend 50% of their budget on health, less than 2% on the Welsh language.

Basically, no need to wrap everything up with the snowflake bollocks. Just say what you mean.

Wales is a region that should be run by an unelected Welsh office from London. Wasn't hard was it. Now run on that platform and see where it gets you. Honesty is best, just say you are a spineless worm who wants his English overlords to run Wales

N.b for your own sake, whatever you read/watch, just put it away for a week. Perhaps even try using multiple sources to get your information. It should help you out

It's your sort of inflamatarory language that turns many Welsh people against the Welsh language and the Wels Assembly. The minute you resort to insults, you lose all credibility.

Firstly, what has the Welsh language got to do with it? The bloke above called me a snowflake. Who exactly is the snowflake.

If any offence was caused, I apologize. Scroll back through the thread and you'll see my posts are based on fact, reason and principle.

The bloke I 'offended' said essentially said the WG should not have bought Cardiff Airport. This happened yesterday

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-38842761

A Tory Minister praised the airport which has seen a 16% increase in passengers, won an environmental award and is the fastest growing airport in the UK.

Would he (someone who is I'm guessing anti-EU) prefer to see our airport still in the hands of a French private company who were refusing to put money into it?

Wales is a region that should be run by an unelected Welsh office from London. Wasn't hard was it. Now run on that platform and see where it gets you. Honesty is best, just say you are a spineless worm who wants his English overlords to run Wales

Thought the Welsh Office was in Cathays.

English overlords.....spineless worms ........what a crank you are.[/quote]

What was that about name-calling and immediately losing the argument? I would personally argue you have no backbone if you voted for your own country to lose power and be run by another country

The Welsh Office rebranded as the Wales Office post devo. I believe you are right that they do have an office in Cardiff somewhere. However, they are run from Gwydr House in London

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gwydyr_House

Interestingly, for those of you wanting to go back to an un-elected Govenor General type system, you should read the academic literature on the Wales Office. It grew to control a £6bn budget, run by bureaucrats that nobody could boot out when they inevitably spunked it up the wall.

Also, it is well know that the Wales Office is the graveyard for ambition. Basically, it is where they send all the kids and the retirees. But yeah, lets be run by those

I think tcblue's carer must have been on the bog and left their ipad unlocked and in reach.

Typical Taffia ranty shouty aggressive nonsense.

RE is no longer a compulsorily examined subject. Welsh second language is... taking up around 2-3 hours a week of a Yr10/11 kid's 25 hour timetable.

I'm sure most kids and parents would prefer it to be optional and the time given over to Science, Maths, English or their chosen option subjects.

I take it you're not Welsh or you wouldn't be running your country down as you do. There is a border, I'm sure you'd be happier living there.

Every country has its share of retards, see the SNP in Scotland for example, don't confuse contention over the absurd amount of tax payers money spunked on the Welsh Language with an attack on the country itself. My daughter got an science degree in Cardiff Uni, that's helped her career a lot more than speaking Welsh ever would, unless of course she chose to make a career in S4C.

Do you understand how budgets work though. You get given money and then you prioritise spending.

As ive said, health is just under 50% of the budget, Welsh is less than 2%. As we have budgeted for it, we can afford it. I cant make it any clearer.

Maybe you think 2% is too much though? If so, I would argue you are being unreasonable

NO.

What have the Welsh Assembly done that you are proud of.

Not brought back grammar schools, not sent our junior doctors on strike, repealing parts of the Trade union, introduced childrens/older peoples commissioners, organ donation, carrier bag levy, lowest unemployment out of the UK nations, increased tourism, soon to be votes for 16... The list is endless

Is Wales perfect post devo? No, Will it ever be? No, is any country? No. I also hope you understand the difference between the Assembly and the government. So if you dont like this stuff, you vote to change the government, not abolish the Assembly and be run by the English

However, at least in the Assembly we elect them and they represent us. This also means we can kick them out. For example, under the Assembly system UKIP get around 15% of the votes and they get close 15% of the seats. This is fair. In the Westminster system, UKIP get 15% of the votes and get no seats.

Need I also remind you at Westminster, the Tory's came second in Wales, yet they get the Secretary of State for Wales. Currently, Alun Cairns is appointed by a PM who nobody has elected either.

What can I say, I believe in democracy

I see the shouty Taffia brigade have infiltrated here as well.

It seems the snowflake Taffia who are social media savvy just drown out normal sane thinking people by shouting louder and harder than everyone else - you can usually see this on social media and fora as they end up overshouting each other and continue on for sometime after most sane people ave given up and moved on.

The shame being is they believe their self perpetuating rubbish and that is how we are stuck with the white elephant of Cardiff Airport and Carwyn's darkroom fiddlers massaging the figures and other such 'vanity' projects for the Taffia.

Independent reports at the time stated cardiff Airport was worth about £20-30m - yet Carwyn and the Taffia boyos thought it prudent to blow just over DOUBLE the mid point figure on it at £52m!!

Compulsory Welsh language lessons in comps are a joke - most Yr 10/Yr11 kids don't want it forced down their throats and see compulsory Welsh lessons as a chance to piss about, sleep or complete homework from other subjects - some will resign themselves to going through the motions and pay it lip service but I've yet to see a kid in a compulsory Welsh lesson actually want to really do well in it - either that or they kept their powder very dry and hidden.

You talk of the Taffia as if they exist you loon. Nobody has infiltrated anywhere, I'm a Welsh Cardiff fan like you.

There were two democratic referendums in the last 20 years, both were won.

As for Cardiff airport - http://www.walesonline.co.uk/business/b ... s-11153242

As for the Welsh language, this is Wales. If you want to stop compulsory lessons, we'll target RE first methinks.

As it stands, Welsh Gov spend 50% of their budget on health, less than 2% on the Welsh language.

Basically, no need to wrap everything up with the snowflake bollocks. Just say what you mean.

Wales is a region that should be run by an unelected Welsh office from London. Wasn't hard was it. Now run on that platform and see where it gets you. Honesty is best, just say you are a spineless worm who wants his English overlords to run Wales

N.b for your own sake, whatever you read/watch, just put it away for a week. Perhaps even try using multiple sources to get your information. It should help you out

It's your sort of inflamatarory language that turns many Welsh people against the Welsh language and the Wels Assembly. The minute you resort to insults, you lose all credibility.

Firstly, what has the Welsh language got to do with it? The bloke above called me a snowflake. Who exactly is the snowflake.

If any offence was caused, I apologize. Scroll back through the thread and you'll see my posts are based on fact, reason and principle.

The bloke I 'offended' said essentially said the WG should not have bought Cardiff Airport. This happened yesterday

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-38842761

A Tory Minister praised the airport which has seen a 16% increase in passengers, won an environmental award and is the fastest growing airport in the UK.

Would he (someone who is I'm guessing anti-EU) prefer to see our airport still in the hands of a French private company who were refusing to put money into it?

Irrespective of the right and wrongs of the discussion, resorting to calling someone a loon and a spineless worm does nothing to get neutrals onside. The moment you come out with stuff like that is the moment people like me lose all interest in your side of the story.

I think tcblue's carer must have been on the bog and left their ipad unlocked and in reach.

Typical Taffia ranty shouty aggressive nonsense.

RE is no longer a compulsorily examined subject. Welsh second language is... taking up around 2-3 hours a week of a Yr10/11 kid's 25 hour timetable.

I'm sure most kids and parents would prefer it to be optional and the time given over to Science, Maths, English or their chosen option subjects.

I take it you're not Welsh or you wouldn't be running your country down as you do. There is a border, I'm sure you'd be happier living there.

Every country has its share of retards, see the SNP in Scotland for example, don't confuse contention over the absurd amount of tax payers money spunked on the Welsh Language with an attack on the country itself. My daughter got an science degree in Cardiff Uni, that's helped her career a lot more than speaking Welsh ever would, unless of course she chose to make a career in S4C.

Do you understand how budgets work though. You get given money and then you prioritise spending.

As ive said, health is just under 50% of the budget, Welsh is less than 2%. As we have budgeted for it, we can afford it. I cant make it any clearer.

Maybe you think 2% is too much though? If so, I would argue you are being unreasonable

2% is the amount we (the UK) spends on its defence budget, it may sound small to someone like yourself with a colossal knowledge of government finances but to an ordinary bloke like me it's a big chunk of taxpayers cash, that I believe could be better spent elsewhere. If someone wants to learn Welsh go to night school.

I think tcblue's carer must have been on the bog and left their ipad unlocked and in reach.

Typical Taffia ranty shouty aggressive nonsense.

RE is no longer a compulsorily examined subject. Welsh second language is... taking up around 2-3 hours a week of a Yr10/11 kid's 25 hour timetable.

I'm sure most kids and parents would prefer it to be optional and the time given over to Science, Maths, English or their chosen option subjects.

I take it you're not Welsh or you wouldn't be running your country down as you do. There is a border, I'm sure you'd be happier living there.

Every country has its share of retards, see the SNP in Scotland for example, don't confuse contention over the absurd amount of tax payers money spunked on the Welsh Language with an attack on the country itself. My daughter got an science degree in Cardiff Uni, that's helped her career a lot more than speaking Welsh ever would, unless of course she chose to make a career in S4C.

You've obviously got issues with our language, is this a historical thing? Not so much a chip, more of a plank on your shoulder! Please try and understand that it used to be the language of the people of most of Britain. When the english came they pushed us westwards to what is Wales now. It has suffered attack after attack and attempt after attempt to kill it, it's a wonder that it's still alive and making a revival.
I am proud to be bilingual, my children the same, it gives us another window on the world, another culture to enjoy. A wealth of music, literature and poetry spanning centuries.

I think tcblue's carer must have been on the bog and left their ipad unlocked and in reach.

Typical Taffia ranty shouty aggressive nonsense.

RE is no longer a compulsorily examined subject. Welsh second language is... taking up around 2-3 hours a week of a Yr10/11 kid's 25 hour timetable.

I'm sure most kids and parents would prefer it to be optional and the time given over to Science, Maths, English or their chosen option subjects.

I take it you're not Welsh or you wouldn't be running your country down as you do. There is a border, I'm sure you'd be happier living there.

Every country has its share of retards, see the SNP in Scotland for example, don't confuse contention over the absurd amount of tax payers money spunked on the Welsh Language with an attack on the country itself. My daughter got an science degree in Cardiff Uni, that's helped her career a lot more than speaking Welsh ever would, unless of course she chose to make a career in S4C.

You've obviously got issues with our language, is this a historical thing? Not so much a chip, more of a plank on your shoulder! Please try and understand that it used to be the language of the people of most of Britain. When the english came they pushed us westwards to what is Wales now. It has suffered attack after attack and attempt after attempt to kill it, it's a wonder that it's still alive and making a revival.
I am proud to be bilingual, my children the same, it gives us another window on the world, another culture to enjoy. A wealth of music, literature and poetry spanning centuries.

Try reading my posts I have no problem with the language and have posted previously about the historical spread it had across Britian, including Scotland. My issue is the money spent on it and the force feeding of it in the English speaking Welsh media. I also appreciate the importance of retaining your indigenous culture. When the English came?, remind me of the origins of the House of Tudor. This hatred for the English is bollox, it was rich powerful men grabbing land and power, its always gone on. BTW at the Battle of Culloden the Jacobites were slaughtered by Welsh archers who fought on the Duke of Cumberlands side, as did many Scots.

I think tcblue's carer must have been on the bog and left their ipad unlocked and in reach.

Typical Taffia ranty shouty aggressive nonsense.

RE is no longer a compulsorily examined subject. Welsh second language is... taking up around 2-3 hours a week of a Yr10/11 kid's 25 hour timetable.

I'm sure most kids and parents would prefer it to be optional and the time given over to Science, Maths, English or their chosen option subjects.

I take it you're not Welsh or you wouldn't be running your country down as you do. There is a border, I'm sure you'd be happier living there.

Every country has its share of retards, see the SNP in Scotland for example, don't confuse contention over the absurd amount of tax payers money spunked on the Welsh Language with an attack on the country itself. My daughter got an science degree in Cardiff Uni, that's helped her career a lot more than speaking Welsh ever would, unless of course she chose to make a career in S4C.

Hi Jock call centre jobs are on the rise in Wales those with the ability to converse with Welsh Speakers gain a premium wage over almost every European language , register with agency as Welsh/English etc does your CV wonders. The Docks boys would never stand for a Union Jack home or away, for that travel west to Jackland, Abertawe FC , SCFC aka Swansea City F.C who have always allowed encouraged that behaviour, I Hope to meet you someday,good debate I think, anyhow as for the SPL Aberdeen will get second, Celtic have took the title without a doubt. What you saying on that prediction for second place? The Assembly passed the motion that ensured Welsh students did not pay top-up fees. Was your Daughter a exception from this due for its self serving "Taffia" only rules?

I think tcblue's carer must have been on the bog and left their ipad unlocked and in reach.

Typical Taffia ranty shouty aggressive nonsense.

RE is no longer a compulsorily examined subject. Welsh second language is... taking up around 2-3 hours a week of a Yr10/11 kid's 25 hour timetable.

I'm sure most kids and parents would prefer it to be optional and the time given over to Science, Maths, English or their chosen option subjects.

I take it you're not Welsh or you wouldn't be running your country down as you do. There is a border, I'm sure you'd be happier living there.

Every country has its share of retards, see the SNP in Scotland for example, don't confuse contention over the absurd amount of tax payers money spunked on the Welsh Language with an attack on the country itself. My daughter got an science degree in Cardiff Uni, that's helped her career a lot more than speaking Welsh ever would, unless of course she chose to make a career in S4C.

You've obviously got issues with our language, is this a historical thing? Not so much a chip, more of a plank on your shoulder! Please try and understand that it used to be the language of the people of most of Britain. When the english came they pushed us westwards to what is Wales now. It has suffered attack after attack and attempt after attempt to kill it, it's a wonder that it's still alive and making a revival.
I am proud to be bilingual, my children the same, it gives us another window on the world, another culture to enjoy. A wealth of music, literature and poetry spanning centuries.

Try reading my posts I have no problem with the language and have posted previously about the historical spread it had across Britian, including Scotland. My issue is the money spent on it and the force feeding of it in the English speaking Welsh media. I also appreciate the importance of retaining your indigenous culture. When the English came?, remind me of the origins of the House of Tudor. This hatred for the English is bollox, it was rich powerful men grabbing land and power, its always gone on. BTW at the Battle of Culloden the Jacobites were slaughtered by Welsh archers who fought on the Duke of Cumberlands side, as did many Scots.

Welsh Archers were mercenaries for the Crown,Their families became landowners no denying that, Money/Land/Riches always corruption everywhere. The Labour party currently has a Pro Israel divide over Corbyn`s Leadership and of course Palestinian sympathies, their all in the Bilderberg Group apart from the "NATZ" so really who cares, we are doomed Butty. #SAVETHESENEDD2017. #PROVEMEWRONGIMFULLOFWOOL #FORUMBANTER

Henry Tudor duped the gullible locals into extending Wales`s own Borders he then took the Crown of England and treated the Welsh worse than before. Welsh Mercenaries fought the Jacobites, Both sides in Orange Revolution, French Revolution, anywhere there was a boat too, post contract .Least there was Henry Morgan the Welsh "Pirate" (slave master) whose Captain Morgans Rum once adorned the roof of the Bob Bank.History is gone but worth knowing you can never learn enough, the internet is a library at your fingertips, read multiple sources educate yourself as your choose its the real Open University Nos Da

I think tcblue's carer must have been on the bog and left their ipad unlocked and in reach.

Typical Taffia ranty shouty aggressive nonsense.

RE is no longer a compulsorily examined subject. Welsh second language is... taking up around 2-3 hours a week of a Yr10/11 kid's 25 hour timetable.

I'm sure most kids and parents would prefer it to be optional and the time given over to Science, Maths, English or their chosen option subjects.

I take it you're not Welsh or you wouldn't be running your country down as you do. There is a border, I'm sure you'd be happier living there.

Every country has its share of retards, see the SNP in Scotland for example, don't confuse contention over the absurd amount of tax payers money spunked on the Welsh Language with an attack on the country itself. My daughter got an science degree in Cardiff Uni, that's helped her career a lot more than speaking Welsh ever would, unless of course she chose to make a career in S4C.

Hi Jock call centre jobs are on the rise in Wales those with the ability to converse with Welsh Speakers gain a premium wage over almost every European language , register with agency as Welsh/English etc does your CV wonders. The Docks boys would never stand for a Union JackFlag on any Stand/Terrace/Fences home or away I saw attempts and I`ll say no more. If your looking for that travel west to Jackland, Abertawe FC , SCFC aka Swansea City F.C who have always allowed & encouraged that behaviour, I Hope to meet you someday half time Pint,good debate I reckon, PRO VS CONS , anyhow as for the SPL Aberdeen will get second, Celtic have took the title without a doubt. What you saying on that prediction for second place? The Assembly passed the motion that ensured Welsh students did not pay top-up fees. Was your Daughter a exception from this due for its self serving "Taffia" only rules?

I`m drunk guys so I hope i`ve reedited There is only one Team in Wales, The Greatest Team in Football the World has ever seen, We are the original Ultras The Ayatollah Being relegated to Dungeon but invented our iconic Disappearing act to mass Bouncing Creating a monumentum uniqueness as a Fan Base at a period of the Clubs decline as Tony Clemo run us into the ground.

I see the shouty Taffia brigade have infiltrated here as well.

It seems the snowflake Taffia who are social media savvy just drown out normal sane thinking people by shouting louder and harder than everyone else - you can usually see this on social media and fora as they end up overshouting each other and continue on for sometime after most sane people ave given up and moved on.

The shame being is they believe their self perpetuating rubbish and that is how we are stuck with the white elephant of Cardiff Airport and Carwyn's darkroom fiddlers massaging the figures and other such 'vanity' projects for the Taffia.

Independent reports at the time stated cardiff Airport was worth about £20-30m - yet Carwyn and the Taffia boyos thought it prudent to blow just over DOUBLE the mid point figure on it at £52m!!

Compulsory Welsh language lessons in comps are a joke - most Yr 10/Yr11 kids don't want it forced down their throats and see compulsory Welsh lessons as a chance to piss about, sleep or complete homework from other subjects - some will resign themselves to going through the motions and pay it lip service but I've yet to see a kid in a compulsory Welsh lesson actually want to really do well in it - either that or they kept their powder very dry and hidden.

You talk of the Taffia as if they exist you loon. Nobody has infiltrated anywhere, I'm a Welsh Cardiff fan like you.

There were two democratic referendums in the last 20 years, both were won.

As for Cardiff airport - http://www.walesonline.co.uk/business/b ... s-11153242

As for the Welsh language, this is Wales. If you want to stop compulsory lessons, we'll target RE first methinks.

As it stands, Welsh Gov spend 50% of their budget on health, less than 2% on the Welsh language.

Basically, no need to wrap everything up with the snowflake bollocks. Just say what you mean.

Wales is a region that should be run by an unelected Welsh office from London. Wasn't hard was it. Now run on that platform and see where it gets you. Honesty is best, just say you are a spineless worm who wants his English overlords to run Wales

N.b for your own sake, whatever you read/watch, just put it away for a week. Perhaps even try using multiple sources to get your information. It should help you out

Exactly I`ve think I`m at Treason level now, fellow Bluebirds I maybe said to much, but the Passion runs deep. Please remain objective do you own research its all out there pick your rabbit hole, Q.1 Are you a Proud Welsh/British Person or a Full on Brit, hold your hands up, because remind yourselves of Ninian Park or maybe your first time watching Cardiff City F.C or watching Euro 2016 Q.2 - Who have we always famously sung about being full of shit? Are we (A) The Greatest Team in (Welsh)Football(B) or as we mock ourselves Welsh Sheep Shagging Bastards ?

first time at ninian park? was an English league game. Euro 2016, i spoke to hundreds of our fans always in english.and the welsh team we supported didnt speak cymraeg either at least not in the hotel.and yes wolves sing always shit on a tesco carrier bag re WBA shirts. and ive sang both {never welsh football } and i dont really believe we are the greatest team the world has ever seen or that any of my fellow singers shag sheep. its jut football banter.

I see the shouty Taffia brigade have infiltrated here as well.

It seems the snowflake Taffia who are social media savvy just drown out normal sane thinking people by shouting louder and harder than everyone else - you can usually see this on social media and fora as they end up overshouting each other and continue on for sometime after most sane people ave given up and moved on.

The shame being is they believe their self perpetuating rubbish and that is how we are stuck with the white elephant of Cardiff Airport and Carwyn's darkroom fiddlers massaging the figures and other such 'vanity' projects for the Taffia.

Independent reports at the time stated cardiff Airport was worth about £20-30m - yet Carwyn and the Taffia boyos thought it prudent to blow just over DOUBLE the mid point figure on it at £52m!!

Compulsory Welsh language lessons in comps are a joke - most Yr 10/Yr11 kids don't want it forced down their throats and see compulsory Welsh lessons as a chance to piss about, sleep or complete homework from other subjects - some will resign themselves to going through the motions and pay it lip service but I've yet to see a kid in a compulsory Welsh lesson actually want to really do well in it - either that or they kept their powder very dry and hidden.

You talk of the Taffia as if they exist you loon. Nobody has infiltrated anywhere, I'm a Welsh Cardiff fan like you.

There were two democratic referendums in the last 20 years, both were won.

As for Cardiff airport - http://www.walesonline.co.uk/business/b ... s-11153242

As for the Welsh language, this is Wales. If you want to stop compulsory lessons, we'll target RE first methinks.

As it stands, Welsh Gov spend 50% of their budget on health, less than 2% on the Welsh language.

Basically, no need to wrap everything up with the snowflake bollocks. Just say what you mean.

Wales is a region that should be run by an unelected Welsh office from London. Wasn't hard was it. Now run on that platform and see where it gets you. Honesty is best, just say you are a spineless worm who wants his English overlords to run Wales

N.b for your own sake, whatever you read/watch, just put it away for a week. Perhaps even try using multiple sources to get your information. It should help you out

Exactly I`ve think I`m at Treason level now, fellow Bluebirds I maybe said to much, but the Passion runs deep. Please remain objective do you own research its all out there pick your rabbit hole, Q.1 Are you a Proud Welsh/British Person or a Full on Brit, hold your hands up, because remind yourselves of Ninian Park or maybe your first time watching Cardiff City F.C or watching Euro 2016 Q.2 - Who have we always famously sung about being full of shit? Are we (A) The Greatest Team in (Welsh)Football(B) or as we mock ourselves Welsh Sheep Shagging Bastards ?

first time at ninian park? was an English league game. Euro 2016, i spoke to hundreds of our fans always in english.and the welsh team we supported didnt speak cymraeg either at least not in the hotel.and yes wolves sing always shit on a tesco carrier bag re WBA shirts. and ive sang both {never welsh football } and i dont really believe we are the greatest team the world has ever seen or that any of my fellow singers shag sheep. its jut football banter.

Nice 1 Dogfound Euro 2016 was unforgettable, The Team sang the National Anthem as did the Fans, Hywl, we have come a long way as Nation ,lets not bow out politically before we have even got a chance to make our own decent legislation give it chance, The Language is the stick to beat the Senedd with,I`m all for giving us Referendums and being democratic about Language GCSE debate. Westminster is going to spend a whole lot of future Budgets on Trident shortly, So lets continue to Pay the AMs to raise their game or we vote them out. Banter is what its all about you got that right. Ninian Park was our gateway to the English Pyramid and onto 1927 and many amazing cup ties, Its in the past though.Our club is safe but is our country without the Senedd with Brexit Looming? Ps I worked in Dudley when Wolves were then Div.1 (now Championship) The West Brom Fans who had made it to the Premiership fans mocked the Wolves sponsor at the time DORITOS spelling out "Division One Rubbish In The Orange Shirts"