" UNITED KINGDOM VOTES TO LEAVE THE EUROPEAN UNION "

The Dutch are now pushing for a referendum. The EU is a failing state.

Now the people of the valleys and the poorer parts of Wales have rejected the EU, will they now have to go to London with their begging bowel and persuade the right wing tory government for funding ? good luck there

or maybe the shit labour government in Cardiff Bay could stop blowing the budget on rubbish

Such as?

10k Carwyn Jones spent on a plane to watch the football, 190k on the door mice bridges along the church village bypass, 6.3million on Ponty lido which hasn't got a car park! I could go on but it's making me sick

the wda, the LG factory 60 million wasted land sales at the fraction of there true cost the list is endless

The Dutch are now pushing for a referendum. The EU is a failing state.

Exactly, all the rhetoric from the remainiacs was anyone voting to leave was a little englander and isolationist, in truth hundreds of millions of Europeans are very unhappy with the EU.

The Dutch are now pushing for a referendum. The EU is a failing state.

I think we'll see half a dozen countries pushing for a referendum before too long. We've just started the ball rolling, it is not only the people of this country who have had enough of being strangled by EU regulations.

500,00 migrants heading to Britain soon - can't stop that even if you voted out -SKY NEWS.

500,00 migrants heading to Britain soon - can't stop that even if you voted out -SKY NEWS.

We will definitely have a rush now of migrants, but then again if we had remained in the eu they would still do the same.

Scotland and the six counties(n.Ireland) voted to Remain, so the headline is wrong. Scottish independence could well follow, so there will be no UK to speak of. Pretty soon the many disaffected working class people in England and Cymru who voted Leave Will realise that nothing has changed. There will be more cuts, more austerity, more privatisation and under-investment in health and education. The rich will win out as ever. The EU never prevented workfare and zero hours contracts, but the corporations need them. The people lose whatever happens.

Years of uncertainty lie ahead threatening jobs, low prices, businesses & our economy.
Leaving Europe will leave us isolated, vulnerable and financially and politically weaker in a turbulent world. Confusion, panic, fear, uncertainty... Could this also lead to a divided rather than United Kingdom, who knows? But what's done is done, the British public have decided to take a leap into the unknown & who knows what will happen next?

This is the precise reason why remain failed. Project fear in full flow spouting a load of unproven negative narratives in an attempt to frighten voters into staying with the status quo.

I admit the leave campaign wasn't brilliant either but the one narrative which struck a cord with me was we should have confidence in our people who have a history of being inventive and Entrepreneurship. I believe in this country and I believe in it's people, what I don't believe is a load fear stories designed to brainwash people into voting a certain way.

Years of uncertainty lie ahead threatening jobs, low prices, businesses & our economy.
Leaving Europe will leave us isolated, vulnerable and financially and politically weaker in a turbulent world. Confusion, panic, fear, uncertainty... Could this also lead to a divided rather than United Kingdom, who knows? But what's done is done, the British public have decided to take a leap into the unknown & who knows what will happen next?

This is the precise reason why remain failed. Project fear in full flow spouting a load of unproven negative narratives in an attempt to frighten voters into staying with the status quo.

I admit the leave campaign wasn't brilliant either but the one narrative which struck a cord with me was we should have confidence in our people who have a history of being inventive and Entrepreneurship. I believe in this country and I believe in it's people, what I don't believe is a load fear stories designed to brainwash people into voting a certain way.

The biggest disappointment for me today was to see that 28% chose not to vote. Although I voted out, I will still wonder what the result would have been if at least 90% had voted. I am in the majority as far as actual voters were concerned, but I obviously don't know if I am in the majority as far as the population of the UK is concerned.

We can agree on that point mate. This was so important and 28% of the eligible population had better things to do.

I was an Out voter and obviously I am happy with the outcome, but I agree for something so important I think it's really disappointing that there wasn't a bigger turnout in what is essentially the most important vote in our lives

My view is you have a democratic right to abstain. There are times when some people genuinely don't know which way to vote so expecting such people to vote for something they don't really believe in is not democracy in action.

Scotland and the six counties(n.Ireland) voted to Remain, so the headline is wrong. Scottish independence could well follow, so there will be no UK to speak of. Pretty soon the many disaffected working class people in England and Cymru who voted Leave Will realise that nothing has changed. There will be more cuts, more austerity, more privatisation and under-investment in health and education. The rich will win out as ever. The EU never prevented workfare and zero hours contracts, but the corporations need them. The people lose whatever happens.

Scottish independence is inevitable and although independence was rejected in 2014 the 2015 general election the SNP returned 56 of the 59 Scottish seats.

There is now a significant change in circumstances as the Scottish people have voted to remain in the EU but will be taken out of it due to voters in England and Wales.

To me it seems perfectly reasonable for them to hold a second referendum on independence. I hope this time they take their opportunity.

The biggest disappointment for me today was to see that 28% chose not to vote. Although I voted out, I will still wonder what the result would have been if at least 90% had voted. I am in the majority as far as actual voters were concerned, but I obviously don't know if I am in the majority as far as the population of the UK is concerned.

We can agree on that point mate. This was so important and 28% of the eligible population had better things to do.

I was an Out voter and obviously I am happy with the outcome, but I agree for something so important I think it's really disappointing that there wasn't a bigger turnout in what is essentially the most important vote in our lives

My view is you have a democratic right to abstain. There are times when some people genuinely don't know which way to vote so expecting such people to vote for something they don't really believe in is not democracy in action.

With the General Apathy in Politics I used to think that voting in the UK should be made a legal duty as to ensure we elected a strong Government But I changed my mind a few years back.

I also used to think that reducing the voting age to 16 was a good idea until a few years back.

What changed my mind then?

My son who was doing A's level politics in school at the time(16 years old) - he told me that they had an inter school debate with another local school, who were also taking A's level politics. The debate was "Should 16 year old's get the vote in UK".

Afterwards when he got home I asked him all the details and expressed my views (above) to him. He said that he was amazed at how many Pupil's in that debate were neither interested enough to mount any decent argument or begin one and even that some could not even name our present Prime Minister (Mr Cameron at that time) or any of the Cabinet ?

He told me that my views were wrong and that if you gave people under 16 the vote, so many, but not all, could be influenced by external sources (media, door knocking, peer pressure, etc) and many have no interest or life experience at 16 to make an informed choice. GOOD POINT I THOUGHT ?

Then I got to thinking about my view on Compulsory voting and with the above playing on my mind, came to my personal conclusion that what you say above Tony (My view is you have a democratic right to abstain. There are times when some people genuinely don't know which way to vote so expecting such people to vote for something they don't really believe in is not democracy in action.)is correct.

I consider myself, old and wise enough to take a considered opposite view.

You live and learn every day.

Years of uncertainty lie ahead threatening jobs, low prices, businesses & our economy.
Leaving Europe will leave us isolated, vulnerable and financially and politically weaker in a turbulent world. Confusion, panic, fear, uncertainty... Could this also lead to a divided rather than United Kingdom, who knows? But what's done is done, the British public have decided to take a leap into the unknown & who knows what will happen next?

This is the precise reason why remain failed. Project fear in full flow spouting a load of unproven negative narratives in an attempt to frighten voters into staying with the status quo.

I admit the leave campaign wasn't brilliant either but the one narrative which struck a cord with me was we should have confidence in our people who have a history of being inventive and Entrepreneurship. I believe in this country and I believe in it's people, what I don't believe is a load fear stories designed to brainwash people into voting a certain way.

I saw project fear should been called project understatement. I believe it's all done and dusted now so it should be called project failed.

To many from both sides still bitching about each sides campaigns. Get a grip people it's over the vote was done the voters decided which path to take. It's i. The past now let's all pull together for the best, last thing we need is in fighting about something in the past we can't change or the way the campaigns were conducted. We just going round In Circles here.

Its not going yo happen and the result wil torn up. You cant change government policy on false advertising. The red bus lie and imergration control. They told you what you wanted to hear and you fell for it. It will all be ripped up and will be blocked. Lol

Scotland and the six counties(n.Ireland) voted to Remain, so the headline is wrong. Scottish independence could well follow, so there will be no UK to speak of. Pretty soon the many disaffected working class people in England and Cymru who voted Leave Will realise that nothing has changed. There will be more cuts, more austerity, more privatisation and under-investment in health and education. The rich will win out as ever. The EU never prevented workfare and zero hours contracts, but the corporations need them. The people lose whatever happens.

Scottish independence is inevitable and although independence was rejected in 2014 the 2015 general election the SNP returned 56 of the 59 Scottish seats.

There is now a significant change in circumstances as the Scottish people have voted to remain in the EU but will be taken out of it due to voters in England and Wales.

To me it seems perfectly reasonable for them to hold a second referendum on independence. I hope this time they take their opportunity.

Tony, some great posts from you today!

I am an overall fan of the United Kingdom staying as a unit but this referendum has created massive divide lines based on geographical factors (Scotland and London being the most obvious)

London has long since set the rest of the nation adrift (ably assisted by many of our politicians from all Parties) and are somewhat reaping what they helped sow by ignoring/somewhat abandoning the rest of the UK in a massive show of self-interest over many years

Scotland are a different case and having been pretty loyal 'Brits' since the union began they are almost entitled to their opportunity to 'give independence a go' having massively contributed to the wealth of the whole country often at their own expense

I am not so sure whether this is the right timing for another 'independence' vote, as it would smack of a little sour grapes after they willingly participated in a perfectly democratic event that they would have willingly accepted had the status quo remained

However, I do believe that Nicola Sturgeon and her puppeteer (Alex Salmond) will actively seek a 'window of opportunity' to go for it again as soon as is reasonably practicable. I believe this time the majority will say "Yes please!"

It will be difficult for the UK Government to say no to them under current circumstances

Years of uncertainty lie ahead threatening jobs, low prices, businesses & our economy.
Leaving Europe will leave us isolated, vulnerable and financially and politically weaker in a turbulent world. Confusion, panic, fear, uncertainty... Could this also lead to a divided rather than United Kingdom, who knows? But what's done is done, the British public have decided to take a leap into the unknown & who knows what will happen next?

This is the precise reason why remain failed. Project fear in full flow spouting a load of unproven negative narratives in an attempt to frighten voters into staying with the status quo.

I admit the leave campaign wasn't brilliant either but the one narrative which struck a cord with me was we should have confidence in our people who have a history of being inventive and Entrepreneurship. I believe in this country and I believe in it's people, what I don't believe is a load fear stories designed to brainwash people into voting a certain way.

I saw project fear should been called project understatement. I believe it's all done and dusted now so it should be called project failed.

To many from both sides still bitching about each sides campaigns. Get a grip people it's over the vote was done the voters decided which path to take. It's i. The past now let's all pull together for the best, last thing we need is in fighting about something in the past we can't change or the way the campaigns were conducted. We just going round In Circles here.

I agree the bitching should now cease as we have made our bed and now we have to lay in it.

However, my point was a positive one in that I believe in the people of this country to make a success of 'going it alone' so to speak. Also if Scotland rightly wants another referendum then they should have it and if they vote for independence I have full confidence in the Scots to make a success of it.

The Dutch are now pushing for a referendum. The EU is a failing state.

And Amsterdam and Rotterdam will likely seek to leave the Netherlands. Putin must think it's all his birthdays and many many Christmases happening all at once.

Scotland and the six counties(n.Ireland) voted to Remain, so the headline is wrong. Scottish independence could well follow, so there will be no UK to speak of. Pretty soon the many disaffected working class people in England and Cymru who voted Leave Will realise that nothing has changed. There will be more cuts, more austerity, more privatisation and under-investment in health and education. The rich will win out as ever. The EU never prevented workfare and zero hours contracts, but the corporations need them. The people lose whatever happens.

Scottish independence is inevitable and although independence was rejected in 2014 the 2015 general election the SNP returned 56 of the 59 Scottish seats.

There is now a significant change in circumstances as the Scottish people have voted to remain in the EU but will be taken out of it due to voters in England and Wales.

To me it seems perfectly reasonable for them to hold a second referendum on independence. I hope this time they take their opportunity.

Tony, some great posts from you today!

I am an overall fan of the United Kingdom staying as a unit but this referendum has created massive divide lines based on geographical factors (Scotland and London being the most obvious)

London has long since set the rest of the nation adrift (ably assisted by many of our politicians from all Parties) and are somewhat reaping what they helped sow by ignoring/somewhat abandoning the rest of the UK in a massive show of self-interest over many years

Scotland are a different case and having been pretty loyal 'Brits' since the union began they are almost entitled to their opportunity to 'give independence a go' having massively contributed to the wealth of the whole country often at their own expense

I am not so sure whether this is the right timing for another 'independence' vote, as it would smack of a little sour grapes after they willingly participated in a perfectly democratic event that they would have willingly accepted had the status quo remained

However, I do believe that Nicola Sturgeon and her puppeteer (Alex Salmond) will actively seek a 'window of opportunity' to go for it again as soon as is reasonably practicable. I believe this time the majority will say "Yes please!"

It will be difficult for the UK Government to say no to them under current circumstances

Nicola Sturgeon is the Gareth Bale of politics as she makes a whole nation to punch above it's weight. She is very shrewd and is already preparing the legislation for a second referendum but will wait until the timing is right to call it (in other words when the polls indicate a clear majority in favour of independence.

I say good luck to them (the Scots) and I have every faith they will make a success of independence whether they are within the EU or not.

I'm voting for remain hopefully we will win.

Scotland and the six counties(n.Ireland) voted to Remain, so the headline is wrong. Scottish independence could well follow, so there will be no UK to speak of. Pretty soon the many disaffected working class people in England and Cymru who voted Leave Will realise that nothing has changed. There will be more cuts, more austerity, more privatisation and under-investment in health and education. The rich will win out as ever. The EU never prevented workfare and zero hours contracts, but the corporations need them. The people lose whatever happens.

Scottish independence is inevitable and although independence was rejected in 2014 the 2015 general election the SNP returned 56 of the 59 Scottish seats.

There is now a significant change in circumstances as the Scottish people have voted to remain in the EU but will be taken out of it due to voters in England and Wales.

To me it seems perfectly reasonable for them to hold a second referendum on independence. I hope this time they take their opportunity.

Tony, some great posts from you today!

I am an overall fan of the United Kingdom staying as a unit but this referendum has created massive divide lines based on geographical factors (Scotland and London being the most obvious)

London has long since set the rest of the nation adrift (ably assisted by many of our politicians from all Parties) and are somewhat reaping what they helped sow by ignoring/somewhat abandoning the rest of the UK in a massive show of self-interest over many years

Scotland are a different case and having been pretty loyal 'Brits' since the union began they are almost entitled to their opportunity to 'give independence a go' having massively contributed to the wealth of the whole country often at their own expense

I am not so sure whether this is the right timing for another 'independence' vote, as it would smack of a little sour grapes after they willingly participated in a perfectly democratic event that they would have willingly accepted had the status quo remained

However, I do believe that Nicola Sturgeon and her puppeteer (Alex Salmond) will actively seek a 'window of opportunity' to go for it again as soon as is reasonably practicable. I believe this time the majority will say "Yes please!"

It will be difficult for the UK Government to say no to them under current circumstances

Nicola Sturgeon is the Gareth Bale of politics as she makes a whole nation to punch above it's weight. She is very shrewd and is already preparing the legislation for a second referendum but will wait until the timing is right to call it (in other words when the polls indicate a clear majority in favour of independence.

I say good luck to them (the Scots) and I have every faith they will make a success of independence whether they are within the EU or not.

What will they do for income? Oil running out suppose always income tax rises to raise the billions required to run country! Hope they don't expect us to subsidise their country.? if want out so be it but totally lock stock and haggis!!!

I'm voting for remain hopefully we will win.

Incase you didn't notice the vote was last week.

I'm voting for remain hopefully we will win.

Incase you didn't notice the vote was last week.

Really!!

I'm voting for remain hopefully we will win.

Incase you didn't notice the vote was last week.

He's talking about new referendum that's been asked for in petition?

I'm voting for remain hopefully we will win.

Incase you didn't notice the vote was last week.

He's talking about new referendum that's been asked for in petition?

I was going on about the old one actually.

I'm voting for remain hopefully we will win.

Incase you didn't notice the vote was last week.

He's talking about new referendum that's been asked for in petition?

Does anyone seriously think there'll be another referendum?

Scotland and the six counties(n.Ireland) voted to Remain, so the headline is wrong. Scottish independence could well follow, so there will be no UK to speak of. Pretty soon the many disaffected working class people in England and Cymru who voted Leave Will realise that nothing has changed. There will be more cuts, more austerity, more privatisation and under-investment in health and education. The rich will win out as ever. The EU never prevented workfare and zero hours contracts, but the corporations need them. The people lose whatever happens.

Scottish independence is inevitable and although independence was rejected in 2014 the 2015 general election the SNP returned 56 of the 59 Scottish seats.

There is now a significant change in circumstances as the Scottish people have voted to remain in the EU but will be taken out of it due to voters in England and Wales.

To me it seems perfectly reasonable for them to hold a second referendum on independence. I hope this time they take their opportunity.

Tony, some great posts from you today!

I am an overall fan of the United Kingdom staying as a unit but this referendum has created massive divide lines based on geographical factors (Scotland and London being the most obvious)

London has long since set the rest of the nation adrift (ably assisted by many of our politicians from all Parties) and are somewhat reaping what they helped sow by ignoring/somewhat abandoning the rest of the UK in a massive show of self-interest over many years

Scotland are a different case and having been pretty loyal 'Brits' since the union began they are almost entitled to their opportunity to 'give independence a go' having massively contributed to the wealth of the whole country often at their own expense

I am not so sure whether this is the right timing for another 'independence' vote, as it would smack of a little sour grapes after they willingly participated in a perfectly democratic event that they would have willingly accepted had the status quo remained

However, I do believe that Nicola Sturgeon and her puppeteer (Alex Salmond) will actively seek a 'window of opportunity' to go for it again as soon as is reasonably practicable. I believe this time the majority will say "Yes please!"

It will be difficult for the UK Government to say no to them under current circumstances

Nicola Sturgeon is the Gareth Bale of politics as she makes a whole nation to punch above it's weight. She is very shrewd and is already preparing the legislation for a second referendum but will wait until the timing is right to call it (in other words when the polls indicate a clear majority in favour of independence.

I say good luck to them (the Scots) and I have every faith they will make a success of independence whether they are within the EU or not.

She is good, has a very good mentor in Alex Salmond and Scotland will soon have its opportunity to find out

All I can say is that they are far more likely to succeed than an independent Wales

I'm voting for remain hopefully we will win.

Incase you didn't notice the vote was last week.

He's talking about new referendum that's been asked for in petition?

Does anyone seriously think there'll be another referendum?

You never know.

To put things in perspective. The assembly in wales was approved with a almost 20% lower turn out and 1% majority. I actually voted no then. If it was good enough then well I'm sorry. Its good enough now with a bigger national turnout and greater majority. Anything else is sour grapes. Now we all need to pull together becAuse the assembly and Westminster will over time assume a much more important role. As it should be. From a welsh perspective these institutions are directly elected and accountable by and to us all. For those who say wales will lose funding. Well it is for our MPs and AMs to fight for our interests.
I'm saddened by the goings on with Labour. Now more than ever we need representation from across our political landscape.
IMHO the referendum was not about left or right. It was about a belief and a vision for the future. But the consequences are very much left and right. BecUse the parties will be more important. I believe both sides of the argument should have representation at the negotiations. The conservatives will be fine as it was probably expected Cameron was standing down in a loss. Labour need to sort themselves out.

I'm voting for remain hopefully we will win.

Incase you didn't notice the vote was last week.

He's talking about new referendum that's been asked for in petition?

Does anyone seriously think there'll be another referendum?

very unlikely and I'm not sure there should be even if under the stated turn out figures there may be a cause for one.

I'm voting for remain hopefully we will win.

Incase you didn't notice the vote was last week.

He's talking about new referendum that's been asked for in petition?

Does anyone seriously think there'll be another referendum?

You never know.

Ok then if we lose next Friday we'll sign a petition to get the game replayed cos we wouldn't be happy with the result.