UPDATED ' NEW BLUE CITY SHIRTS ' PHOTOS

Wager on what? Something I never claimed? I was right and you where wrong, now it's up to the sellers to gamble.
http://www.ipo.gov.uk/tmcase/Results/1/UK0002329784A

The crest on the shirt and that crest are nowhere near identical.

hes off his rocker with a clear agenda against this idea.

There is absolutely to copyright issue what so ever. That much is clear.

I own several Cardiff City t shirts that don't come from the club whilst having a bluebird and the name Cardiff City on them.
I can't see how the copyright issue would occur here as the top is not emulating or trying to be the brand that is tans Cardiff City.
In fact. Being not the same is exactly what the top is doing.


Time to get our balls out and get those tops on

Then it is either made on a license or a pirate copy. Braking the trademark and tap in direct competition with the club is the most stupid advice I ever heard. No business would leave that alone, and it's not very ballsy when another one pay the consequences is it

Nothing in the original post was negative. It was a question on the legal issue. You said there wasn't any, but there is.
A big one. You might not want to encourage people to get into trouble taking a huge financial hit. If it looks good or bad on Tan doesn't help the guy with the bill much does it? The bluebird is protected and yet again you give ill advice!

You didnt ask a question, you suggested it WAS a copyright issue. When i told you and explained to you why it isnt you started namecalling. That isnt "simply asking a question".

Im not sure how many times i can tell you the bluebird images arent the same.

Nothing in the original post was negative. It was a question on the legal issue. You said there wasn't any, but there is.
A big one. You might not want to encourage people to get into trouble taking a huge financial hit. If it looks good or bad on Tan doesn't help the guy with the bill much does it? The bluebird is protected and yet again you give ill advice!

You didnt ask a question, you suggested it WAS a copyright issue. When i told you and explained to you why it isnt you started namecalling. That isnt "simply asking a question".

Im not sure how many times i can tell you the bluebird images arent the same.

You can tell me how many times you like, but they are. And yes, I think you are moronic and unethical suggesting people should go ahead with this without clearing it.

You can tell me how many times you like, but they are. And yes, I think you are moronic and unethical suggesting people should go ahead with this without clearing it.

Nope, they aren't at all.

Nothing to do with ethics or being moronic, it is saying what everybody else apart from you can see

Wager on what? Something I never claimed? I was right and you where wrong, now it's up to the sellers to gamble.
http://www.ipo.gov.uk/tmcase/Results/1/UK0002329784A

The crest on the shirt and that crest are nowhere near identical.

hes off his rocker with a clear agenda against this idea.

There is absolutely to copyright issue what so ever. That much is clear.

I own several Cardiff City t shirts that don't come from the club whilst having a bluebird and the name Cardiff City on them.
I can't see how the copyright issue would occur here as the top is not emulating or trying to be the brand that is tans Cardiff City.
In fact. Being not the same is exactly what the top is doing.


Time to get our balls out and get those tops on

Then it is either made on a license or a pirate copy. Braking the trademark and tap in direct competition with the club is the most stupid advice I ever heard. No business would leave that alone, and it's not very ballsy when another one pay the consequences is it

Best I buy one from a guy in a street then?

Can you tell me how all the other shops and sellers get away with selling merchandise that 1000s buy and wear to games?
Thanks

Wager on what? Something I never claimed? I was right and you where wrong, now it's up to the sellers to gamble.
http://www.ipo.gov.uk/tmcase/Results/1/UK0002329784A

The crest on the shirt and that crest are nowhere near identical.

hes off his rocker with a clear agenda against this idea.

There is absolutely to copyright issue what so ever. That much is clear.

I own several Cardiff City t shirts that don't come from the club whilst having a bluebird and the name Cardiff City on them.
I can't see how the copyright issue would occur here as the top is not emulating or trying to be the brand that is tans Cardiff City.
In fact. Being not the same is exactly what the top is doing.


Time to get our balls out and get those tops on

Then it is either made on a license or a pirate copy. Braking the trademark and tap in direct competition with the club is the most stupid advice I ever heard. No business would leave that alone, and it's not very ballsy when another one pay the consequences is it

Best I buy one from a guy in a street then?

Can you tell me how all the other shops and sellers get away with selling merchandise that 1000s buy and wear to games?
Thanks

Any time a brand is threatened people don't get away with it. They get burned heavy if they have breached any rules.
It's like the guy with the iPhone covers on here. Probably not license to sell them, but doesn't conflict with club interest, so he is left alone. Why don't you just buy an old blue shirt or get the trust to make one?

I remember when I refused to pay the poll tax and went to court, 1000s of us.

Prepared for prison

They changed the law!?!
And a new barmy rule came in.

If something ain't right we don't have to settle for it.
We are the people
The consumer
The bedrock of capitalism

We want blue

Wager on what? Something I never claimed? I was right and you where wrong, now it's up to the sellers to gamble.
http://www.ipo.gov.uk/tmcase/Results/1/UK0002329784A

The crest on the shirt and that crest are nowhere near identical.

hes off his rocker with a clear agenda against this idea.

There is absolutely to copyright issue what so ever. That much is clear.

I own several Cardiff City t shirts that don't come from the club whilst having a bluebird and the name Cardiff City on them.
I can't see how the copyright issue would occur here as the top is not emulating or trying to be the brand that is tans Cardiff City.
In fact. Being not the same is exactly what the top is doing.


Time to get our balls out and get those tops on

Then it is either made on a license or a pirate copy. Braking the trademark and tap in direct competition with the club is the most stupid advice I ever heard. No business would leave that alone, and it's not very ballsy when another one pay the consequences is it

Best I buy one from a guy in a street then?

Can you tell me how all the other shops and sellers get away with selling merchandise that 1000s buy and wear to games?
Thanks

Any time a brand is threatened people don't get away with it. They get burned heavy if they have breached any rules.
It's like the guy with the iPhone covers on here. Probably not license to sell them, but doesn't conflict with club interest, so he is left alone. Why don't you just buy an old blue shirt or get the trust to make one?

It the trust make one I will. We just need consensus on the top. I don't want and old top - I want a fans Cardiff City top 2014.

What ever happens, it wont look good for Tan and our club as they dont want it and our fans do. World Wide Publicity for our fans once again regarding our True Identity

im amazed people are trying to be negative over fans trying to get blue gear out there.

Well done to them and well done you for promoting it to the fanbase

Roathie, I also can not believe any City fan could be negative about us wanting to return to BLUE and these new Blue City shirts or any Blue City shirts that fans want to wear.

What ever happens, it wont look good for Tan and our club as they dont want it and our fans do. World Wide Publicity for our fans once again regarding our True Identity

im amazed people are trying to be negative over fans trying to get blue gear out there.

Well done to them and well done you for promoting it to the fanbase

Roathie, I also can not believe any City fan could be negative about us wanting to return to BLUE and these new Blue City shirts or any Blue City shirts that fans want to wear.

If the club are not prepared to put good quality BLUE gear in the club shop then this will always happen. A customer will only buy what they want to wear! What they feel proud to wear!

What ever happens, it wont look good for Tan and our club as they dont want it and our fans do. World Wide Publicity for our fans once again regarding our True Identity

im amazed people are trying to be negative over fans trying to get blue gear out there.

Well done to them and well done you for promoting it to the fanbase

Roathie, I also can not believe any City fan could be negative about us wanting to return to BLUE and these new Blue City shirts or any Blue City shirts that fans want to wear.

A few comments:
1- The purpose of this shirt is "protest" not "commercial".
2- The goal is not to steal funds from the club by mimicking official merchandise.
3- The copyright is not water-tight. It is for a "black" bluebird, not a blue one as on this shirt.
4- It is unlikely VT would take his own customers to court over this, for that is what Cardiff City supporters are, they are customers of "his" business - in legal speak.

To prevent any ambiguity I would suggest the following.
1- Clearly define the product: "supporters 'protest' shirt". Not "replica football shirt". Although it is obvious what the product is, defining it removes ambiguity.
2- To minimise any "legal" fallout, and fuel media support is there is a reaction. Ensure no profit is made on the shirt. I would strongly advise this.
3- If there is profit give it to a charity, or invest it in the "protest" movement.
4- Having a single "protest" shirt for all supporters would be far more powerful.

Just my thoughts.

Great idea, I will buy at least 2, anything that stops people spending money in the club shop can only be a good thing

What ever happens, it wont look good for Tan and our club as they dont want it and our fans do. World Wide Publicity for our fans once again regarding our True Identity

im amazed people are trying to be negative over fans trying to get blue gear out there.

Well done to them and well done you for promoting it to the fanbase

Roathie, I also can not believe any City fan could be negative about us wanting to return to BLUE and these new Blue City shirts or any Blue City shirts that fans want to wear.

He's not being negative though. He's making a valid point that it's worth checking that you aren't breaching any copyrights.

I'm going to be buying the supporters trust as the profits will be going to charity. I'm all for people wanting to make a bit of money that's up to them but it doesn't feel right for me to make money out of a protest sorry.

What ever happens, it wont look good for Tan and our club as they dont want it and our fans do. World Wide Publicity for our fans once again regarding our True Identity

im amazed people are trying to be negative over fans trying to get blue gear out there.

Well done to them and well done you for promoting it to the fanbase

Roathie, I also can not believe any City fan could be negative about us wanting to return to BLUE and these new Blue City shirts or any Blue City shirts that fans want to wear.

He's not being negative though. He's making a valid point that it's worth checking that you aren't breaching any copyrights.

I'm going to be buying the supporters trust as the profits will be going to charity. I'm all for people wanting to make a bit of money that's up to them but it doesn't feel right for me to make money out of a protest sorry.

What ever happens, it wont look good for Tan and our club as they dont want it and our fans do. World Wide Publicity for our fans once again regarding our True Identity

im amazed people are trying to be negative over fans trying to get blue gear out there.

Well done to them and well done you for promoting it to the fanbase

Roathie, I also can not believe any City fan could be negative about us wanting to return to BLUE and these new Blue City shirts or any Blue City shirts that fans want to wear.

A few comments:
1- The purpose of this shirt is "protest" not "commercial".
2- The goal is not to steal funds from the club by mimicking official merchandise.
3- The copyright is not water-tight. It is for a "black" bluebird, not a blue one as on this shirt.
4- It is unlikely VT would take his own customers to court over this, for that is what Cardiff City supporters are, they are customers of "his" business - in legal speak.

To prevent any ambiguity I would suggest the following.
1- Clearly define the product: "supporters 'protest' shirt". Not "replica football shirt". Although it is obvious what the product is, defining it removes ambiguity.
2- To minimise any "legal" fallout, and fuel media support is there is a reaction. Ensure no profit is made on the shirt. I would strongly advise this.
3- If there is profit give it to a charity, or invest it in the "protest" movement.
4- Having a single "protest" shirt for all supporters would be far more powerful.

Just my thoughts.

a far more sensible approach. but are you saying our 'bluebird' is actually black?

Having done a bit of quick research both the bluebird logo and name are in breach of copyright to the club.

Having done a bit of quick research both the bluebird logo and name are in breach of copyright to the club.

Also for those saying that the press will back the person making these kits, why would they? The club are within their own right to sue an infringing party, specially if they are making profits.

Having done a bit of quick research both the bluebird logo and name are in breach of copyright to the club.

Also for those saying that the press will back the person making these kits, why would they? The club are within their own right to sue an infringing party, specially if they are making profits.

All true, and specified towards anything associated with football. The club would actually look more stupid not doing anything about it. Either get a license or leave it. Or get the Trust on board with their own logo

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a far more sensible approach. but are you saying our 'bluebird' is actually black?[/quote]


This is news to me! It's an irony that could save a lot of trouble if a BLUE Bluebird can be legally reproduced.

I've always said that what makes the rebrand so hurtful is that our identity is actually tied to a colour. If you do a graphic of an owl, it doesn't really matter what colour it is; it still looks like an owl. The same goes for a tiger, eagle, fox, wolf and of course, sw*n.

For this reason, the Red Devils can't be changed and nor can the BLUEbirds. It is as fundamental as that. When Tan pushed through the badge change, it initially had no Bluebird. It was after pressure that he allowed us to reinstate it, albeit in a smaller form.

I have never worn a red version of the Cardiff strip and I never will. I hate the badge as much as the colour change. How some talk of a compromise baffles me. The badge is either a Blubird, or it isn't. The kit is either BLUE, or it isn't.

Loving that, that's my birthday present sorted.

I'll defo have one

I'll defo have one

What ever happens, it wont look good for Tan and our club as they dont want it and our fans do. World Wide Publicity for our fans once again regarding our True Identity

im amazed people are trying to be negative over fans trying to get blue gear out there.

Well done to them and well done you for promoting it to the fanbase

Roathie, I also can not believe any City fan could be negative about us wanting to return to BLUE and these new Blue City shirts or any Blue City shirts that fans want to wear.

If the club are not prepared to put good quality BLUE gear in the club shop then this will always happen. A customer will only buy what they want to wear! What they feel proud to wear!

Spot on Karl

What ever happens, it wont look good for Tan and our club as they dont want it and our fans do. World Wide Publicity for our fans once again regarding our True Identity

im amazed people are trying to be negative over fans trying to get blue gear out there.

Well done to them and well done you for promoting it to the fanbase

Roathie, I also can not believe any City fan could be negative about us wanting to return to BLUE and these new Blue City shirts or any Blue City shirts that fans want to wear.

A few comments:
1- The purpose of this shirt is "protest" not "commercial".
2- The goal is not to steal funds from the club by mimicking official merchandise.
3- The copyright is not water-tight. It is for a "black" bluebird, not a blue one as on this shirt.
4- It is unlikely VT would take his own customers to court over this, for that is what Cardiff City supporters are, they are customers of "his" business - in legal speak.

To prevent any ambiguity I would suggest the following.
1- Clearly define the product: "supporters 'protest' shirt". Not "replica football shirt". Although it is obvious what the product is, defining it removes ambiguity.
2- To minimise any "legal" fallout, and fuel media support is there is a reaction. Ensure no profit is made on the shirt. I would strongly advise this.
3- If there is profit give it to a charity, or invest it in the "protest" movement.
4- Having a single "protest" shirt for all supporters would be far more powerful.

Just my thoughts.

a far more sensible approach. but are you saying our 'bluebird' is actually black?

Thanks Nathan,

In this attachment of the copyright declaration, the "whole bluebird" was only declared in it's black version. This is what I was referencing.

http://www.ipo.gov.uk/tmownerid/search? ... 0002495019

I want one

Jupiter, 100% correct my purpose of this protest is not commercial, its from my heart and love for our Identity

But I cant expect others to put time and money in and loose out and some need to be paid for their time as long as they are not ripping fans of

If you want to personally do what your posts suggest, this forum will support you

Jupiter, 100% correct my purpose of this protest is not commercial, its from my heart and love for our Identity

But I cant expect others to put time and money in and loose out and some need to be paid for their time as long as they are not ripping fans of

If you want to personally do what your posts suggest, this forum will support you

Seeing as I think it is better to have one protest shirt rather than several different styles, I'll buy one a couple. How do we order...sizes etc...?

Nice shirt, ruined my incorrect welsh!!

Croeso Cymru litterally means "Welcome Wales"! Lol

Croeso i Cymru meand welcome to Wales

Visit wales should be "ymweld Cymru"

meand? your not that clever c**t

Well done on infringing intellectual property rights.

Well done on infringing intellectual property rights.

Shhh James otherwise you might get labelled as being negative and against returning to blue