Vincent Tan tells Malky Mackay " No Money in January "

Malky has done fantastic things for the football club, but for the sake of both Malky and the club its time he moves on. You cannot run a successful Premier League club where the manager and owner don't talk to each other, and play out their vicious spat in the media.
Tan is playing games, Malky is playing games. Tan has behaved disgracefully, Malky is responsible for some seriously below average buys.
Tan and Malky need to thrash out a settlement immediately, and both parties need to go their separate ways. Otherwise both are doomed.

Good bye Tan end off, he has stripped our club of its identity,pride and divided our club.

Hes also put the club on the global map

Polo he certainly did that, we were laughing stock all over the world.

He bought us promotion that is undeniable

But he could not have done it without MM.

Get real. Any manager worth their salts given 15m in the championship and players on 35k a week should get you promoted.

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The news is pretty disappointing as I would've really like to see signings like Montero come in.
However, what is also a bit worrying is that Malky won't use players that we already have for the weaker positions, such as Noone, Cornelius, and at the start of the season, Brayford. Bringing them into the first team more would almost be like new signings.
Lastly, although we spend relatively within the budget and didn't look like we overspent, it is Tans money and if we are spending it on people such as Cornelius, he would be a bit annoyed.
Here's to the next saga anyway!

Agree with many who have said that Malky and VT are destined to go their seperate ways and have been for some time.

I can see both sides. IF Tan gave Malky and Moody a £35m budget and they overspent - well they are going to get it in the neck. Also suspect Tan wouldn't be too concerned about the overspend if Malky and Moody had not wasted a fair wack of that money - A Corn for example. Before people say how can he be a waste he hasn't played etc - IMO we should not be paying £7m - £8m on a player for the future in our first season in the Premiership. We needed players who could come in and hit the ground running (Caulker and Medel).

Wonder if what we'll end up with is Malky walking and pushing for a case of constructive dismissal. That'll be dragged through an employment tribunal if Tan digs his heels in and it'll all come out in the wash then.

What will happen when he does leave? I can't see quality managers lining up around the block to take the job.

All this after a good performance and good three points on Saturday - shooting ourselves in the foot again

Malky has done fantastic things for the football club, but for the sake of both Malky and the club its time he moves on. You cannot run a successful Premier League club where the manager and owner don't talk to each other, and play out their vicious spat in the media.
Tan is playing games, Malky is playing games. Tan has behaved disgracefully, Malky is responsible for some seriously below average buys.
Tan and Malky need to thrash out a settlement immediately, and both parties need to go their separate ways. Otherwise both are doomed.

Good bye Tan end off, he has stripped our club of its identity,pride and divided our club.

Hes also put the club on the global map

Polo he certainly did that, we were laughing stock all over the world.

He bought us promotion that is undeniable

But he could not have done it without MM.

Get real. Any manager worth their salts given 15m in the championship and players on 35k a week should get you promoted.

Agree with you ,I hate Dave Jones but if he's was backed with the money malky was he would of got us up ,I think I would of lol

Malky has done fantastic things for the football club, but for the sake of both Malky and the club its time he moves on.

You cannot run a successful Premier League club where the manager and owner don't talk to each other, and play out their vicious spat in the media.

Tan is playing games, Malky is playing games. Tan has behaved disgracefully, Malky is responsible for some seriously below average buys.

Tan and Malky need to thrash out a settlement immediately, and both parties need to go their separate ways. Otherwise both are doomed.

Good bye Tan end off, he has stripped our club of its identity,pride and divided our club.

Hes also put the club on the global map

Polo he certainly did that, we were laughing stock all over the world.

He bought us promotion that is undeniable

But he could not have done it without MM.

Thats arguable, Im sure many managers would like a £10m fund to win promotion

Malky has done fantastic things for the football club, but for the sake of both Malky and the club its time he moves on.

You cannot run a successful Premier League club where the manager and owner don't talk to each other, and play out their vicious spat in the media.

Tan is playing games, Malky is playing games. Tan has behaved disgracefully, Malky is responsible for some seriously below average buys.

Tan and Malky need to thrash out a settlement immediately, and both parties need to go their separate ways. Otherwise both are doomed.

Good bye Tan end off, he has stripped our club of its identity,pride and divided our club.

Hes also put the club on the global map

Polo he certainly did that, we were laughing stock all over the world.

He bought us promotion that is undeniable

But he could not have done it without MM.

Thats arguable, Im sure many managers would like a £10m fund to win promotion

There have been plenty of managers that have been given money and failed. How much did Leicester spend under Eriksson a few seasons ago, at least £10m. To get success you still have to have a good manager.

What will happen when he does leave? I can't see quality managers lining up around the block to take the job.

Managers will apply for the job. We're a Premiership club - there's not a manager out there who wouldn't want to manage in this division, which puts us in a good position when it comes to recruitment. Quite who we have in mind is another thing though, as is who will be making the decision. From the recent restructuring of the board and such, I would assume the board will nominate a new manager and take their suggestion to Tan for the final say. I think it's unlikely Tan will be the one out looking for the next guy,

I'd be amazed if MM hasn't got his legal team running the rule over this statement because surely this has made his position as manager untenable because, in my opinion, this statement destroys ALL trust and confidence between both parties. Such conduct will I believe provide grounds for MM to sue for constructive dismissal.

Whatever the rights and wrongs of this, and MM, like many other managers has made mistakes no one deserves to have thier position undermined in such a public manner. This behaviour by Tan may be acceptable in Malaysia but in this country he is going to find out it's a whole different ball game.

If MM has anything about him he will resign, with immediate effect, and then set his legal team on Tan and there will be no one to blame other than VT.

As to any over spending, Tans side Kick Simon lim, his signature is on every bit of the paper work, a fact.

Of course he did and I can't believe I am hearing Lim's name again, I thought he had been posted to outer Mongolia and the fact that he hasn't suggests to me this isn't so much about overspend as perceived value for money.

As much as I love Malkay and believe he was the man to get us up and have no doubts he would keep us up, many of us would admit that the football this season has in the main been painful to watch and even last year it was dire and workmanlike.

What I believe we have here is an Abramovich v Mourinho scenario where the owner of the football club wants sexy football. The only difference is that Abramovich wanted sexy football because he wanted to see it whilst Tan needs sexy football to sell the club to overseas fans and to make a flotation successful

No one knows for sure but I suspect the overspend is being use as a smokescreen by Tan as he is very unhappy with the type and standard of some of the players that have been bought and blames Moody and Malkay for that and unquestionably wants Malky gone because unfortunately like me he can't see Malky turning into the type of manager who will ever be able to play the flowing attacking football we all dream of.

Personally, I would had loved to have seen Malky given a full year in the Premiership, but as soon as I heard that he had asked for 3 new players having not even consulted with Dalman I knew Malky had signed his death warrant and so I suspect had he. Tan's reaction was unsurprising.

Unfortunately I suspect, a case of Malky knowing he had to go and having now been approached by another club has decided to speed up his dismissal.

Only time will tell whether getting rid of Malkay was the correct decision. As much as Abramovich wanted rid of Mourhino he ended up taking him back having been forced to accept that success doesn't always = sexy football

Cardiff City owner Vincent Tan refuses to give manager Malky Mackay "a single penny" to spend in January, despite the boss's desire for at least three new signings.


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What will happen when he does leave? I can't see quality managers lining up around the block to take the job.

Managers will apply for the job. We're a Premiership club - there's not a manager out there who wouldn't want to manage in this division, which puts us in a good position when it comes to recruitment. Quite who we have in mind is another thing though, as is who will be making the decision. From the recent restructuring of the board and such, I would assume the board will nominate a new manager and take their suggestion to Tan for the final say. I think it's unlikely Tan will be the one out looking for the next guy,

No manager will want someone selecting a team for him let alone Vinnie the Poo.

I'd be amazed if MM hasn't got his legal team running the rule over this statement because surely this has made his position as manager untenable because, in my opinion, this statement destroys ALL trust and confidence between both parties. Such conduct will I believe provide grounds for MM to sue for constructive dismissal.

Whatever the rights and wrongs of this, and MM, like many other managers has made mistakes no one deserves to have thier position undermined in such a public manner. This behaviour by Tan may be acceptable in Malaysia but in this country he is going to find out it's a whole different ball game.

If MM has anything about him he will resign, with immediate effect, and then set his legal team on Tan and there will be no one to blame other than VT.

Why cause tan has said hes not spending his own money because he feels that there was a summer over spend lol get a grip

talking about it now on sky sports news

I honestly believe that Malky is the best manager Cardiff have ever had, I honestly believe that if Malky gets the sack then its the beginning of the end for the mighty bluebirds. What manager would want to join a circus run by a load of clowns granted Tan has put the money in but let's face it he's made the club a complete laughing stock. I think Tan is a first class idiot and has no respect what so ever for our supporters its his way or the highway its such a shame.

I don't believe this statement for one moment.

If there is anyone who would behind this would be more Simon Lim than Tan.

Tan wants Malky gone ASAP, Ive been saying it for weeks, its Tan who needs to go NOW.

My problem here annis is if all the quotes in the last few days are true then Malky has put himself in a corner of his own making.
If Cornelius was bought for the future then you can understand tans fury as our 4 strikers to keep us in the premier league were Frazier Maynard gestede and mason. Two have gone on loan and if Frazier goes through his usual injury problems we are left with just Maynard.
Malky then says in the press he needs a striker having paid 8.5 million on a player not ready for the first team yet. Whichever way you look at it Malky has put himself in a no win situation here.

spot on...............its a game we are in the middle of...........both parties know exactly what they are doing

Having screened the 200 posts on this thread, it seems 60% of fans understand where Tan is coming from here, tie this in with the dire standard of football we are being subject to from Malky, who has spent/wasted a lot of Tans money - I for one would not mind a more progressive, less-manipulative manager.

We all love the Bluebirds, and all are entitled to our opinions - lets hope OUR club progresses from here!

Annis keeps saying 'the truth will out' - well now it seems it has.
Moody knew full well why he went and so did Malky.
Tan was right not to give reasons at the time so as not to inflame the situation but Malky was way out of line with his comments in the weekend press. I was very surprised he said what he said regarding transfer requirements as he must have known Mr Tan's views. Did Malky want to cause a bust-up now?He is usually so sure-footed with the media.Has he got another job in mind? Any way you look at it, he's put himself in a corner and if he's going to go, it's best he goes now.

And as for 'Tan out' you must be mad.

Annis, is Sam going to front a consortium to buy him out?

I'd be amazed if MM hasn't got his legal team running the rule over this statement because surely this has made his position as manager untenable because, in my opinion, this statement destroys ALL trust and confidence between both parties. Such conduct will I believe provide grounds for MM to sue for constructive dismissal.

Whatever the rights and wrongs of this, and MM, like many other managers has made mistakes no one deserves to have thier position undermined in such a public manner. This behaviour by Tan may be acceptable in Malaysia but in this country he is going to find out it's a whole different ball game.

If MM has anything about him he will resign, with immediate effect, and then set his legal team on Tan and there will be no one to blame other than VT.

Why cause tan has said hes not spending his own money because he feels that there was a summer over spend lol get a grip

VT as owner has every right to decide that no more money will be spent on buying players in January but the question here is should he have communicated this behind closed doors or through the media. Also how has this public statement affected the position of MM, his authority as an example. If you read the replies on this thread the majority expect MM to leave, Why?, because VT has so undermined his position.

If this had been done behind closed doors none of us would be any the wiser but VT has decided against that and, in my opinion, has acted deliberately to force MM out and that will cost him.

I'd be amazed if MM hasn't got his legal team running the rule over this statement because surely this has made his position as manager untenable because, in my opinion, this statement destroys ALL trust and confidence between both parties. Such conduct will I believe provide grounds for MM to sue for constructive dismissal.

Whatever the rights and wrongs of this, and MM, like many other managers has made mistakes no one deserves to have thier position undermined in such a public manner. This behaviour by Tan may be acceptable in Malaysia but in this country he is going to find out it's a whole different ball game.

If MM has anything about him he will resign, with immediate effect, and then set his legal team on Tan and there will be no one to blame other than VT.

Why cause tan has said hes not spending his own money because he feels that there was a summer over spend lol get a grip

VT as owner has every right to decide that no more money will be spent on buying players in January but the question here is should he have communicated this behind closed doors or through the media. Also how has this public statement affected the position of MM, his authority as an example. If you read the replies on this thread the majority expect MM to leave, Why?, because VT has so undermined his position.

If this had been done behind closed doors none of us would be any the wiser but VT has decided against that and, in my opinion, has acted deliberately to force MM out and that will cost him.

It seems oblivious that he'd all ready done this and malky has pissed him off and spoken to the media

Sorry but I really dont think the truth is out by any means .

Thje truth will probably be ridiculous such as vinnie the poo being barred from the dressing room , his ego just wont accept that.
People do not treat Vinnie this way ......Till now. Good on MM

I'd be amazed if MM hasn't got his legal team running the rule over this statement because surely this has made his position as manager untenable because, in my opinion, this statement destroys ALL trust and confidence between both parties. Such conduct will I believe provide grounds for MM to sue for constructive dismissal.

Whatever the rights and wrongs of this, and MM, like many other managers has made mistakes no one deserves to have thier position undermined in such a public manner. This behaviour by Tan may be acceptable in Malaysia but in this country he is going to find out it's a whole different ball game.

If MM has anything about him he will resign, with immediate effect, and then set his legal team on Tan and there will be no one to blame other than VT.

Why cause tan has said hes not spending his own money because he feels that there was a summer over spend lol get a grip

VT as owner has every right to decide that no more money will be spent on buying players in January but the question here is should he have communicated this behind closed doors or through the media. Also how has this public statement affected the position of MM, his authority as an example. If you read the replies on this thread the majority expect MM to leave, Why?, because VT has so undermined his position.

If this had been done behind closed doors none of us would be any the wiser but VT has decided against that and, in my opinion, has acted deliberately to force MM out and that will cost him.

It seems oblivious that he'd all ready done this and malky has pissed him off and spoken to the media

I wouldn't say it was obvious that VT had already told MM that there was no money in January although I did wonder if this was MM way of putting pressure on VT by making the statement he did at the weekend.

If he was aware that VT was not prepared to spend again in January then that would be a breach of trust on behalf of MM and in those circumstances VT would clearly have grounds to dismiss him.

The next few days are going to be interesting will MM resign or will he be sacked but, in my opinion, there will only be one winner and it won't be MM.

Bombshell!! Guys we gotta get real here!

You might have noticed there's been a few posts on here (and I put a few in) which were trying to analyse the odd behaviour of Malky re. team selection, the weird recent comments from Malky re. Cornelius and his refusal to play him, and also, Mehemet Dalman' s media release last week about no money for January contrasted with Malky's sudden press release yesterday that he wants no less than 3 new players in January!!!

Think about this for a moment:

1. We are led to believe Mehmet Dalman is Malky's mate on the board and the go between and peacemaker.
2. Whenever has Malky, the most conservative manager you'll ever see, used the media to circulate progressive news?
3. At the very least, Malky has instantly distanced himself from Dalman!
4. Tan has kept a low profile since the Moody sacking but suddenly erupted in the press through mouthpiece Simon Lim.

I'm not ITK in any shape or form but over the last week nothing added up; I thought everything eminating from the club was bizarre. I now believe we are in the grips of a '' no holds barred'' PR battle and I'm sorry to say, I know I won't win many Malky admirers over with this, but I think he is attempting to bolster his long term football reputation by resorting to open political warfare with Tan! I have no alliegence to either: my concern is the long term interest of Cardiff City, but I fear we are merely pawns in the middle of a bloody war. Tan has taken the soul out of the club and he's reduced a promising but inexperienced young manager to fight for his long term football reputation by naively entering a highly charged media war which he can never hope to win. Tan and his millions behind him will annihalate him ....... and my worry is, our club too!

What should be our finest ever season and the beginning of a Golden Dawn could spark Apocalypse and another Portsmouth in the making!!!

Sorry if some might think this post OTT but I'm close to tears tonight!!!

malky's number 1 priority was and still is keeping us in the premiership so what does he do sign our main striker for 8 Million and then come out and say he's not ready for premiership action, in 1 word CLOWN

please stop talking about Malky as if he is a very dim 12 year old......he is playing this to his own ends..... the acorn statement in itself was unbelievable....to follow it up with i need 3 players..ffs how stupid does he think we all are?

The fact neither Ian Moody or Malky would not have had the authority to put pen to paper in these deals to sign the funds off is being massively overlooked.
Obviously someone higher up i.e the chief executive or chairman would have been the man the release the funds and control the budget, which leads me to think Ian moody has been used as a scape goat.
To even consider Ian moody as "head of recruitment" would have the free use of the clubs cheque book and the only one to actually understand what the contracts are rising too is a joke, its way above his pay scale.
I still think Malky made a mistake by coming up with it, even if the funds were there and he didn't sign anyone its unwanted pressure and so said VT, but in hindsight... SINCE WHEN DOES VT GIVE A f**k ABOUT WHAT WE THINK?

Bombshell!! Guys we gotta get real here!

You might have noticed there's been a few posts on here (and I put a few in) which were trying to analyse the odd behaviour of Malky re. team selection, the weird recent comments from Malky re. Cornelius and his refusal to play him, and also, Mehemet Dalman' s media release last week about no money for January contrasted with Malky's sudden press release yesterday that he wants no less than 3 new players in January!!!

Think about this for a moment:

1. We are led to believe Mehmet Dalman is Malky's mate on the board and the go between and peacemaker.
2. Whenever has Malky, the most conservative manager you'll ever see, used the media to circulate progressive news?
3. At the very least, Malky has instantly distanced himself from Dalman!
4. Tan has kept a low profile since the Moody sacking but suddenly erupted in the press through mouthpiece Simon Lim.

I'm not ITK in any shape or form but over the last week nothing added up; I thought everything eminating from the club was bizarre. I now believe we are in the grips of a '' no holds barred'' PR battle and I'm sorry to say, I know I won't win many Malky admirers over with this, but I think he is attempting to bolster his long term football reputation by resorting to open political warfare with Tan! I have no alliegence to either: my concern is the long term interest of Cardiff City, but I fear we are merely pawns in the middle of a bloody war. Tan has taken the soul out of the club and he's reduced a promising but inexperienced young manager to fight for his long term football reputation by naively entering a highly charged media war which he can never hope to win. Tan and his millions behind him will annihalate him ....... and my worry is, our club too!

What should be our finest ever season and the beginning of a Golden Dawn could spark Apocalypse and another Portsmouth in the making!!!

Sorry if some might think this post OTT but I'm close to tears tonight!!!

Great post

overreaction. discuss.

Sorry but I really dont think the truth is out by any means .

Thje truth will probably be ridiculous such as vinnie the poo being barred from the dressing room , his ego just wont accept that.
People do not treat Vinnie this way ......Till now. Good on MM

So the budget overspend is not true?
Moody going was just for a laugh?
Obvious tensions between Mr Tan and Malky nothing to do with budget spend and questions on performance?
Malky interview on January recruitment not perhaps a provocation?

Bombshell!! Guys we gotta get real here!

You might have noticed there's been a few posts on here (and I put a few in) which were trying to analyse the odd behaviour of Malky re. team selection, the weird recent comments from Malky re. Cornelius and his refusal to play him, and also, Mehemet Dalman' s media release last week about no money for January contrasted with Malky's sudden press release yesterday that he wants no less than 3 new players in January!!!

Think about this for a moment:

1. We are led to believe Mehmet Dalman is Malky's mate on the board and the go between and peacemaker.
2. Whenever has Malky, the most conservative manager you'll ever see, used the media to circulate progressive news?
3. At the very least, Malky has instantly distanced himself from Dalman!
4. Tan has kept a low profile since the Moody sacking but suddenly erupted in the press through mouthpiece Simon Lim.

I'm not ITK in any shape or form but over the last week nothing added up; I thought everything eminating from the club was bizarre. I now believe we are in the grips of a '' no holds barred'' PR battle and I'm sorry to say, I know I won't win many Malky admirers over with this, but I think he is attempting to bolster his long term football reputation by resorting to open political warfare with Tan! I have no alliegence to either: my concern is the long term interest of Cardiff City, but I fear we are merely pawns in the middle of a bloody war. Tan has taken the soul out of the club and he's reduced a promising but inexperienced young manager to fight for his long term football reputation by naively entering a highly charged media war which he can never hope to win. Tan and his millions behind him will annihalate him ....... and my worry is, our club too!

What should be our finest ever season and the beginning of a Golden Dawn could spark Apocalypse and another Portsmouth in the making!!!

Sorry if some might think this post OTT but I'm close to tears tonight!!!

Totally agree with the PR war. It's like a game of chess, what move will piss each other off next. Tan wants Malky out but Malky won't be bullied out, despite Tan removing Moody and not giving Malky a penny to spend in January. My guess is Malky already knew he wouldn't get a penny to spend, so thought he would run to the press saying he wants at least 3 new players to bolster the squad. Tan has now reacted to Malky's statement which has once again, made him further unpopular. Is Malky playing Tan at his own game by being stubborn and pissing him off? Is Malky trying to get Tan to dislike him so much, that he will eventually give in and pay Malky off?