27,000 +

Figures from the past show a bigger fan base, the fact that you cannot sell out any games apart from premiership games also makes me doubt this.

The Liverty is small, they have a waiting list, yes... But you forget that Cardiff also have sold out in the premiership & have a waiting list for season tickets, which is exactly what you use as a demonstration that you have a bigger fan base?

Sorry, but you don't. The facts speak for themselves & I know you're a man for facts.

There is no doubt that your recent successes have boosted your fan base, it was quite small only a few years ago, but you seem to forget Cardiff's recent successes have also boosted their fan base too.

As ive explained Barry, figures from the past are irrelevant, what that shows is you DID have a bigger fanbase not DO. since then Swansea have become the most successful welsh side in living memory.

I dint understand what you are saying with regards to the second part. The liberty holds 20,750 the ccs holds 27,000. You will get a bigger attendance, but that diesnt mean you have a bigger fan base. I again point you in the direction of the Liverpool and Newcastle scenario.

Yep, your fan base has definately been boosted by your promotion. However since the stats you are using to gague Swansea have been promoted, become a top 10 club, qualified for Europe and won a major trophy. I firmly believe this has made us have a larger fanbase than you.

If all things were even i think you would have a bigger fanbase, but they arent even.

If Swansea had a bigger fan base they would have a bigger stadium.

The fact that the Jacks are into their 3rd season of the premier and have just started talking about expansion of the council owned stadium where as Cardiff are already expanding a stadium that is already bigger than the Liberty plus the FACT there are go aheads for serious expansion that will start soon, this all being before they complete their first season in the premier, well what other proof do you need to say who has the bigger fan base.

What a nonsense opinion that is.

By that logic do you think if Liverpool had a bigger fanbase than Newcastle then they woukd have a bigger stadium?

Rhe liberty is not our stadium, it isnt as easy to expand. Pans are afoot and red tape is being worked through. But if course you know that already

It's pretty obvious that your fan base was boosted.. I remember you lot getting 12k in the second tier.

Lots of evidence. Attendance figures for a start. Unless you're trying to suggest attendance figures have no bearing on fan base...

& you can't use the Liberty being small as a problem, as currently the CCS is too small for the club too.

So now you are agreeing its been boosted again?

There is no evidence Barry, none.

Attendance figures from the date in question onwards says a sell out for every single home premier league match at the Liberty. How is this evidence that you have a bigger fanbase today?

Cardiff city attendances vs Swansea city attendances. That's evidence. Are you really suggesting that attendances have no bearing on size of fan base?!

It's been boosted since you were getting 12k in the a championship, obviously. But I don't think it's been further boosted by winning the secondary cup competition.

which part of we are at capacity is confusing you barry. Attendances have absolutely no baring what so ever if one is at capacity.

By that logic if your capacity was cut to 18,000 and that was then obviously your attendance each week you would automatically then acknowledge we have the bigger fan base?

Its nonsense im afriad.

Attendances have no bearing on a fan base.. Can't believe I've just read that.

Which part of Cardiff are also at capacity do you not understand? Your argument is irrelevant because the same problem is at Cardiff City.

Figures from the past show a bigger fan base, the fact that you cannot sell out any games apart from premiership games also makes me doubt this.

The Liverty is small, they have a waiting list, yes... But you forget that Cardiff also have sold out in the premiership & have a waiting list for season tickets, which is exactly what you use as a demonstration that you have a bigger fan base?

Sorry, but you don't. The facts speak for themselves & I know you're a man for facts.

There is no doubt that your recent successes have boosted your fan base, it was quite small only a few years ago, but you seem to forget Cardiff's recent successes have also boosted their fan base too.

As ive explained Barry, figures from the past are irrelevant, what that shows is you DID have a bigger fanbase not DO. since then Swansea have become the most successful welsh side in living memory.

I dint understand what you are saying with regards to the second part. The liberty holds 20,750 the ccs holds 27,000. You will get a bigger attendance, but that diesnt mean you have a bigger fan base. I again point you in the direction of the Liverpool and Newcastle scenario.

Yep, your fan base has definately been boosted by your promotion. However since the stats you are using to gague Swansea have been promoted, become a top 10 club, qualified for Europe and won a major trophy. I firmly believe this has made us have a larger fanbase than you.

If all things were even i think you would have a bigger fanbase, but they arent even.

If Swansea had a bigger fan base they would have a bigger stadium.

The fact that the Jacks are into their 3rd season of the premier and have just started talking about expansion of the council owned stadium where as Cardiff are already expanding a stadium that is already bigger than the Liberty plus the FACT there are go aheads for serious expansion that will start soon, this all being before they complete their first season in the premier, well what other proof do you need to say who has the bigger fan base.

What a nonsense opinion that is.

By that logic do you think if Liverpool had a bigger fanbase than Newcastle then they woukd have a bigger stadium?

Rhe liberty is not our stadium, it isnt as easy to expand. Pans are afoot and red tape is being worked through. But if course you know that already

What I do know is you preferred to put a Macdonalds there instead of expanding.

Here you go again getting picky. Red tape what a load of rubbish. Swansea have been bragging how premier football has boosted the local economy. Stadium expansion would have boosted it further if the demand was there. No red tape stops that sort of thing.

The fact is Swansea have been holding back and watching how Cardiff get on. It would not surprise me if all expansion plans, if there were an at the start, are now binned at the Liberty since Cardiffs promotion to the premier.

Attendances have no bearing on a fan base.. Can't believe I've just read that.

If one is at capacity yes. I cant believe you disagree

Newcastle have a bigger attendance than liverpool, simply because they have a bigger ground. Attendance figures mean nothing when comparing their fanbases as Liverpool cannot physically fit any more in. Its the same with us,

Im amazed you are continuing this notion.

Attendances have no bearing on a fan base.. Can't believe I've just read that.

If one is at capacity yes. I cant believe you disagree

Newcastle have a bigger attendance than liverpool, simply because they have a bigger ground. Attendance figures mean nothing when comparing their fanbases as Liverpool cannot physically fit any more in. Its the same with us,

Im amazed you are continuing this notion.

Problem for you is that they are BOTH at capacity. Cardiff City also have a waiting list, you seem to be totally ignoring this fact.

What I do know is you preferred to put a Macdonalds there instead of expanding.

you think Swansea preferred to build a McDonalds? of all the ridiculous views in this forum thats uo there with the best

Here you go again getting picky. Red tape what a load of rubbish. Swansea have been bragging how premier football has boosted the local economy. Stadium expansion would have boosted it further if the demand was there. No red tape stops that sort of thing.

picky? What are you on Ian? You have not covered yourself in much glory in this thread thats for sure. WE DO NOT OWN THE STADIUM. There is red tape to go through to allow any expansion, this is basic stuff.

The fact is Swansea have been holding back and watching how Cardiff get on. It would not surprise me if all expansion plans, if there were an at the start, are now binned at the Liberty since Cardiffs promotion to the premier.

it gets even better you think you have a baring on our expansion plans the fact we werent sure whether we were going to stay in the league was the baring on our expansion plans. Once relegated attendances drop and we would be left with a £12m turkey on our hands. If you are going to contribute after slating someone else, at least make it worthwhile you are just looking for conflict.

More than happy to debate with you but we both know you are talking rubbish.

Cardiff have a bigger catchment area thats for certain. In a hypothetical situation where both teams have 60, 000 stadiums, it would be us who get the bigger attendences , that is clear.

Not sure the point you are trying to make roathy, winning the carling cup, or playing in tbe europa league didnt get the likes of birmingham, fulham and Middlesbrough into super-stardom

Cardiff have a bigger catchment area thats for certain. In a hypothetical situation where both teams have 60, 000 stadiums, it would be us who get the bigger attendences , that is clear.

Not sure the point you are trying to make roathy, winning the carling cup, or playing in tbe europa league didnt get the likes of birmingham, fulham and Middlesbrough into super-stardom

Judging by their attendances so far, a jacks aren't interested in the Europa League..

Attendances have no bearing on a fan base.. Can't believe I've just read that.

If one is at capacity yes. I cant believe you disagree

Newcastle have a bigger attendance than liverpool, simply because they have a bigger ground. Attendance figures mean nothing when comparing their fanbases as Liverpool cannot physically fit any more in. Its the same with us,

Im amazed you are continuing this notion.

Problem for you is that they are BOTH at capacity. Cardiff City also have a waiting list, you seem to be totally ignoring this fact.

The fact is irrelevant.

If I had an 8 seater minibus in the center of London and a 60 seater double decker in Cardiff and offered free travel for that day, both woukd be at capacity however that gives no representation to the population on both cities only the size of the vessel.

So the fact that there's a Jack ST waiting list is vital in your argument, yet when it's pointed out that Cardiff have a similar waiting list, it's irrelevant?

Okay.

Cardiff have a bigger catchment area thats for certain. In a hypothetical situation where both teams have 60, 000 stadiums, it would be us who get the bigger attendences , that is clear.

Not sure the point you are trying to make roathy, winning the carling cup, or playing in tbe europa league didnt get the likes of birmingham, fulham and Middlesbrough into super-stardom

Cardiffs catchment area is also Swanseas catchment area and vice verca, including both respective cities. Theres 40 mins between them.

Im not claiming Swansea are in super stardom im saying success breeds a fanbase, this is a fact and the reason why you now have 27,000 and had 4,000 15 years ago and every jump in attendance coincided with success in the pitch.

In the last 3 years we have become the most successful welsh side in living memory and its my firm belief that we now have a bigger fanbase as a result. There is no evidence to suggest the contrary and for the last 3 years we have sold out every single home game almost instantly.

So the fact that there's a Jack ST waiting list is vital in your argument, yet when it's pointed out that Cardiff have a similar waiting list, it's irrelevant?

Okay.

What is your obsession with this waiting list? I dont even think I've mentioned it. Let alone it being vital

You said im missing the vital piece of info that BOTH are at capacity. Im telling you that it obviously is irrelevant as that inly shows the size of the respective stadiums not the fanbase the club harbours.

You arent normally this slow Barry.

Im not claiming Swansea are in super stardom im saying success breeds a fanbase, this is a fact and the reason why you now have 27,000 and had 4,000 15 years ago and every jump in attendance coincided with success in the pitch.

7,131 was the average 15 years ago.

Another 7 pages of trolling. Get rid of him again and again

Im not claiming Swansea are in super stardom im saying success breeds a fanbase, this is a fact and the reason why you now have 27,000 and had 4,000 15 years ago and every jump in attendance coincided with success in the pitch.

7,131 was the average 15 years ago.

Well whatever, its now grown by 20,000 and this was due to in the pitch success.

So the fact that there's a Jack ST waiting list is vital in your argument, yet when it's pointed out that Cardiff have a similar waiting list, it's irrelevant?

Okay.

What is your obsession with this waiting list? I dont even think I've mentioned it. Let alone it being vital

You said im missing the vital piece of info that BOTH are at capacity. Im telling you that it obviously is irrelevant as that inly shows the size of the respective stadiums not the fanbase the club harbours.

You arent normally this slow Barry.

You seem to rely on the fact that Swansea are at capacity to say that they aren't showing their true fan base, well so are Cardiff, so that point is totally irrelevant.

Cardiff have a bigger fan base, the facts and stats back this up.

Don't worry, you have more twitter followers.

Another 7 pages of trolling. Get rid of him again and again

Trolling saying something you dont like you mean?

So the fact that there's a Jack ST waiting list is vital in your argument, yet when it's pointed out that Cardiff have a similar waiting list, it's irrelevant?

Okay.

What is your obsession with this waiting list? I dont even think I've mentioned it. Let alone it being vital

You said im missing the vital piece of info that BOTH are at capacity. Im telling you that it obviously is irrelevant as that inly shows the size of the respective stadiums not the fanbase the club harbours.

You arent normally this slow Barry.

You seem to rely on the fact that Swansea are at capacity to say that they aren't showing their true fan base, well so are Cardiff, so that point is totally irrelevant.

Cardiff have a bigger fan base, the facts and stats back this up.

Don't worry, you have more twitter followers.

You aren't making any sense what so ever.

The stats show you had a bigger fanbase when we were in the Championship, i agree with that and have never disagreed.

We are talking about fanbases NOW. Success breeds increased fanbases as we have proven with historical data and an increase of attendance at every major success in both clubs history.

Since the championship stats, swansea have become the most successful welsh club in living memory had have since sold out to capacity for 3 years running. We cannot fit anymore in so attendance is irrelevant as soon as that happens.

It is my belief then after going through that, that swansea now have the bigger fanbase. And there is nothing to disprove this notion what so ever.

Figures from the past show a bigger fan base, the fact that you cannot sell out any games apart from premiership games also makes me doubt this.

The Liverty is small, they have a waiting list, yes... But you forget that Cardiff also have sold out in the premiership & have a waiting list for season tickets, which is exactly what you use as a demonstration that you have a bigger fan base?

Sorry, but you don't. The facts speak for themselves & I know you're a man for facts.

There is no doubt that your recent successes have boosted your fan base, it was quite small only a few years ago, but you seem to forget Cardiff's recent successes have also boosted their fan base too.

As ive explained Barry, figures from the past are irrelevant, what that shows is you DID have a bigger fanbase not DO. since then Swansea have become the most successful welsh side in living memory.

I dint understand what you are saying with regards to the second part. The liberty holds 20,750 the ccs holds 27,000. You will get a bigger attendance, but that diesnt mean you have a bigger fan base. I again point you in the direction of the Liverpool and Newcastle scenario.

Yep, your fan base has definately been boosted by your promotion. However since the stats you are using to gague Swansea have been promoted, become a top 10 club, qualified for Europe and won a major trophy. I firmly believe this has made us have a larger fanbase than you.

If all things were even i think you would have a bigger fanbase, but they arent even.

If Swansea had a bigger fan base they would have a bigger stadium.

The fact that the Jacks are into their 3rd season of the premier and have just started talking about expansion of the council owned stadium where as Cardiff are already expanding a stadium that is already bigger than the Liberty plus the FACT there are go aheads for serious expansion that will start soon, this all being before they complete their first season in the premier, well what other proof do you need to say who has the bigger fan base.

What a nonsense opinion that is.

By that logic do you think if Liverpool had a bigger fanbase than Newcastle then they woukd have a bigger stadium?
Liverpool have been trying for years to get a bigger stadium.
Rhe liberty is not our stadium, it isnt as easy to expand. Pans are afoot and red tape is being worked through. But if course you know that already

Nothing, apart from facts such as attendances. You keep harping on about success, but all you've done that we haven't is win the secondary cup competition. We've won a league title, that's probably brought in as many fans as the carling cup... Ie 0.

Promotion sent your ST requests through the roof & did the same to ours. Promotion meant you sold out your ground, same with us.

You seem to think that you're some sort of super club. Have Wigan's attendances shot up because they won the FA Cup? No.. And that competition is far more prestigious than your cup win. They're also a more successful side that Swansea.

Cardiff City have the bigger fan base, bigger stadium & best side in Wales at the moment.

Attendances have no bearing on a fan base.. Can't believe I've just read that.

If one is at capacity yes. I cant believe you disagree

Newcastle have a bigger attendance than liverpool, simply because they have a bigger ground. Attendance figures mean nothing when comparing their fanbases as Liverpool cannot physically fit any more in. Its the same with us,

Im amazed you are continuing this notion.

We are expanding to fit our larger fan base in.

Its well known that Liverpool have been trying for ages to expand.

Yet after 3 years your STILL thinking about it..surely a bad business logic that as if you HAVE thousands waiting WHY have you not yet expanded? We are in our first year to accommodate.

Nothing, apart from facts such as attendances.

this is literally amazing. Ok im gonna need caps for this... WE ARE AT CAPACITY


You keep harping on about success, but all you've done that we haven't is win the secondary cup competition. We've won a league title, that's probably brought in as many fans as the carling cup... Ie 0.

what tosh we mid table and top 10, stayed in the league twice and play european competition and tou think your promotion brought more fans in than that even though we did it too?

Promotion sent your ST requests through the roof & did the same to ours. Promotion meant you sold out your ground, same with us.

spot on. Us staying up then created even more of a buzz, then winning a cup created another buzz, then staying up and finishing 9th created another buzz, now we look certain to reach the group stages of the Europa this will likely create another buzz.

You seem to think that you're some sort of super club. Have Wigan's attendances shot up because they won the FA Cup? No.. And that competition is far more prestigious than your cup win. They're also a more successful side that Swansea.

no i dont. No, Wigan got relegated

Cardiff City have the bigger fan base, bigger stadium & best side in Wales at the moment.

No they dont, yes you do and no your not

Attendances have no bearing on a fan base.. Can't believe I've just read that.

If one is at capacity yes. I cant believe you disagree

Newcastle have a bigger attendance than liverpool, simply because they have a bigger ground. Attendance figures mean nothing when comparing their fanbases as Liverpool cannot physically fit any more in. Its the same with us,

Im amazed you are continuing this notion.

We are expanding to fit our larger fan base in.

Its well known that Liverpool have been trying for ages to expand.

Yet after 3 years your STILL thinking about it..surely a bad business logic that as if you HAVE thousands waiting WHY have you not yet expanded? We are in our first year to accommodate.

It doesn't matter what they are trying to do. They havent.

We have not expanded because we were not in the financial position to do so. We were a newly promoted side and werent sure if we would stay up long term. The stadium is also not ours and not easy to expand. Plans have now been submitted.

this is literally amazing. Ok im gonna need caps for this... WE ARE AT CAPACITY

Dear me, you keep ignoring this fact. SO ARE CARDIFF

You may not think we have the biggest fan base or the best team in Wales tag, but stats would say otherwise I'm afraid.

this is literally amazing. Ok im gonna need caps for this... WE ARE AT CAPACITY

Dear me, you keep ignoring this fact. SO ARE CARDIFF

You may not think we have the biggest fan base or the best team in Wales tag, but stats would say otherwise I'm afraid.

OH MY WORD.. IT DOESNT MATTER

I cant figure out whether you are joking or not, i really cant. I hope you are, for your sake.

The stats say you have a bigger stadium not a bigger fanbase. Stats suggest that success breeds a fanbase and we are the most successful welsh side in living memory which started 3 years ago, conveniently for you all the stats you want to use are prior to this date

We now, in my opinion, have the bigger fanbase. And there is nothing that says the contrary.

So it matters that Swansea are at capacity, but it doesn't matter that Cardiff are at capacity?

So it matters that Swansea are at capacity, but it doesn't matter that Cardiff are at capacity?

Jesus

It doesn't matter that either are at capacity.

The fact that one or both is at capacity since Swansea become the most successful side in living memory (the events which lead to increased following) means that attendance figures are irrelevant. Pointless. Worthless, Any other similar words you would like to use, in determining fanbase. I refer you to my mini bus and double decker analogy.

Its now only guesswork until the liberty expands.

Cardiff are a better supported club, theres no debate to even be had about that. Only a fool would argue otherwise.

7 pages of arguing would suggest Roathie is clinically insane!

Cardiff are a better supported club, theres no debate to even be had about that. Only a fool would argue otherwise.

7 pages of arguing would suggest Roathie is clinically insane!

There is every debate to be had about that.

You are basing that on historical data collated BEFORE Swansea became the most successful welsh side in living memory, hence its irrelevance.

Cardiff HAD the bigger fanbase, that much is clear. But im afraid only a fool could claim this to definately be the case today.