RELIGION?

btw.....I knew OHHHGA would be here soon

What about the existence of Isreal in accordance to the scriptures?

What about it?

Golly surprise with this reply.

Go and purchase "Battle for Isreal" by Lance Lambert.

There was another book worth a read on the same subject but cannot remember its title. It was by an author called Derek Pringle I think. An individual who spent time in Isreal during its many wars. Interesting reads.

Just tell us the crux of the book in relation to this thread, after all you brought it up ffs

Try saying please then FFS.

Pwetty Pwease

Same old arguments...

How come in the first chapter of 'Mein Kampf' Hitler says he is 'doing god's word' and 'executing god's will' by destroying the Jewish people?

Hitler wrote this book in the 1920s and was trying to appeal to the large Catholic population of Germany. He quickly began persecuting the Catholic Church once in dominant power. Mein Kampf never says anything about destroying Jews either, it might be derogatory about them but it doesn't go that far.

Furthermore, the first treaty made by the Nazi's was with the Vatican. Allowing Catholic control of German education.

A treaty they very quickly broke.

Worst of all, the Catholic Church celebrated the birth of the Fuhrer every year until his death in 1945.

Evidence? Pretty sure they weren't a fan (if they ever were) once he began throwing Bishops in Concentration Camps.

May I ask, what the bloody hell does phone-hacking, the NHS and the expenses scandal have to do with religious belief? These events involved both religious and non-religious people! Are you suggesting that those events somehow represent atheism?

You are missing the point, the other posters state how all this immorality is down to religion, yet there is whole world of stuff that isn't from religion.

If he was, as you say, trying to 'appeal' to the German Catholics, then it wouldn't have been in 'Mein Kampf'. It was initially written solely for his party, and it's popularity grew AFTER publication and wasn't intended to be read by anyone who didn't already agree with his political standpoint. It is not a manifesto as many seem to believe.

How did he persecute the Catholics? That's a somewhat insulting statement when you consider how we persecuted other sections of society. In a speech made while in power, and with no motive to win support, he said "The Church's interests cannot fail to coincide with ours alike in our fight against the symptoms of degeneracy in the world of today, in our fight against the Bolshevist culture, against an atheistic movement, against criminality, and in our struggle for the consciousness of a community in our national life, for the conquest of hatred and disunion between the classes, for the conquest of civil war and unrest, of strife and discord. These are not anti-Christian, these are Christian principles."

In 'Mein Kampf' Hitler proposes that the destruction of the weak is more humane than ensuring their survival. He then justifies this through 'God's will'.

A treaty they very quickly broke? The treaty is still technically in force TODAY (although not relevant of course) and there were very few violations! Showing your historical ignorance now.

You clearly know very little about this. The Catholic Church held a special prayer service on Hitler's birthday, by order of the Vatican, every April until his death. This is a well-known historical fact and the Church, unsurprisingly, have yet to apologise.

I agree with that, however it does not counter the point that a whole host of atrocities are a result of religious belief.

What about the existence of Isreal in accordance to the scriptures?

What about it?

Golly surprise with this reply.

Go and purchase "Battle for Isreal" by Lance Lambert.

There was another book worth a read on the same subject but cannot remember its title. It was by an author called Derek Pringle I think. An individual who spent time in Isreal during its many wars. Interesting reads.

Just tell us the crux of the book in relation to this thread, after all you brought it up ffs

Try saying please then FFS.

Pwetty Pwease

No problem....when I get back from the shops.

Why do you have to go after religion? It gives people comfort; it doesn't hurt anything." Okay, well, other than most wars, the Crusades, the Inquisition, 9/11, arranged marriages to minors, blowing up girls' schools, the suppression of women and homosexuals, fatwas, ethnic cleansing, honor rape, human sacrifice, burning witches, suicide bombings, condoning slavery, and the systematic f*cking of children, there's a few little things I have a problem with

If you honestly believe all those atrocities are caused by religion and not mans capacity to self destruct then i think you really ought to have a deeper look at human beings, observe how religious individuals conduct themselves. I don't remember Joe Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pott, ever espousing religious views. And what about the the nastiness in mid staffs NHS trust, journalists hacking the phone of murdered children, MPs exspenses , Are these your poster boys for modern atheism?

Although the above list is actually a quote from Bill Maher, those events were all certainly caused by religion. Some are still on going, such as the suppression of women, institutionalised paedophilia, and the vilification of homosexuals for example, whereas others serve as horrific reminders of the potency of religious doctrine.

The 'Hitler was an Atheist' line is an absolute classic and always makes me laugh (and cringe).

How come in the first chapter of 'Mein Kampf' Hitler says he is 'doing god's word' and 'executing god's will' by destroying the Jewish people?

How come the oath that every Nazi soldier had to take, began with 'I swear in the name of almighty god my loyalty to the Fuhrer'?

How come on the belt buckle of every Nazi soldier were the words 'God on our side'?

Furthermore, the first treaty made by the Nazi's was with the Vatican. Allowing Catholic control of German education.

Worst of all, the Catholic Church celebrated the birth of the Fuhrer every year until his death in 1945.

Let me move on to your other examples.

May I ask, what the bloody hell does phone-hacking, the NHS and the expenses scandal have to do with religious belief? These events involved both religious and non-religious people! Are you suggesting that those events somehow represent atheism?

You are a confused individual with ludicrous and muddled arguments.

I am not a fan of "organized religion" as well. Implying Christians today share the blame for the Crusades and Hitler's atrocities is pathetic.

I am not suggesting that. I am refuting the idea that Hitler was an atheist in any form. I also believe it is pathetic to use Hitler as an argument AGAINST atheists, do you not?

Same old arguments...

How come in the first chapter of 'Mein Kampf' Hitler says he is 'doing god's word' and 'executing god's will' by destroying the Jewish people?

How come the oath that every Nazi soldier had to take, began with 'I swear in the name of almighty god my loyalty to the Fuhrer'?

How come on the belt buckle of every Nazi soldier were the words 'God on our side'?

Hitler wrote this book in the 1920s and was trying to appeal to the large Catholic population of Germany. He quickly began persecuting the Catholic Church once in dominant power. Mein Kampf never says anything about destroying Jews either, it might be derogatory about them but it doesn't go that far. The other acts I have never heard of before but likely were to gain Catholic support also. I bet they weren't done as fiercely once the persecution of the Church began.

Furthermore, the first treaty made by the Nazi's was with the Vatican. Allowing Catholic control of German education.

A treaty they very quickly broke.

Worst of all, the Catholic Church celebrated the birth of the Fuhrer every year until his death in 1945.

Evidence? Pretty sure they weren't a fan (if they ever were) once he began throwing Bishops in Concentration Camps.

May I ask, what the bloody hell does phone-hacking, the NHS and the expenses scandal have to do with religious belief? These events involved both religious and non-religious people! Are you suggesting that those events somehow represent atheism?

You are missing the point, the other posters state how all this immorality is down to religion, yet there is whole world of stuff that isn't from religion.

Good post, i have not read mein kampf, but i know that Hitler didn't use monotheism directly and to my knowledge was not a devoutly religious man, The reference to 'god' on nazi insignia is vague, as god can take many forms, hardly a stick to beat the bible with, unless the bible teaches facism.
How do you know the catholic church did not temper Hitlers aggresion as part of a deal? If a deal was indeed struck it was probably done reluctantly, What else could organised religion do in the face of a murdering tyrant?

The phone hacking and everything else is evidence of amoral vacum mate, we have never been more atheist, so yesi'm blamming atheism for this mess, what do you think is the reason?

I have read Mein Kampf, and he did 'use' (vague) monotheism directly in the sense that he referenced it in literature, speeches, oaths and had it inscribed on clothing in order to further his deplorable cause.

How is it vague? 'GOD ON OUR SIDE' being clearly inscribed on all Nazi soldier's belt buckles is pretty clear cut.

Oh dearie dearie me. 'In the face of a murdering tyrant'. This was in the early 1930's, before he was anything other than a skilled orator and charismatic leader.

Now, let me clarify, if a religious individual attempts to describe Hitler as an 'atheist' and a 'poster-boy for modern atheism' then I will counter with contrary evidence. It is pathetic to 'use' the atrocities of WW2 to further any argument in my opinion. Hitler was not 'religious' in the conventional sense, nor was he an atheist.

Then again he wasn't a conventional man. So I suggest avoiding bringing Hitler into any debate of this nature, as it only proves you are running low on valid points.

Why do you have to go after religion? It gives people comfort; it doesn't hurt anything." Okay, well, other than most wars, the Crusades, the Inquisition, 9/11, arranged marriages to minors, blowing up girls' schools, the suppression of women and homosexuals, fatwas, ethnic cleansing, honor rape, human sacrifice, burning witches, suicide bombings, condoning slavery, and the systematic f*cking of children, there's a few little things I have a problem with

If you honestly believe all those atrocities are caused by religion and not mans capacity to self destruct then i think you really ought to have a deeper look at human beings, observe how religious individuals conduct themselves. I don't remember Joe Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pott, ever espousing religious views. And what about the the nastiness in mid staffs NHS trust, journalists hacking the phone of murdered children, MPs exspenses , Are these your poster boys for modern atheism?

Although the above list is actually a quote from Bill Maher, those events were all certainly caused by religion. Some are still on going, such as the suppression of women, institutionalised paedophilia, and the vilification of homosexuals for example, whereas others serve as horrific reminders of the potency of religious doctrine.

The 'Hitler was an Atheist' line is an absolute classic and always makes me laugh (and cringe).

How come in the first chapter of 'Mein Kampf' Hitler says he is 'doing god's word' and 'executing god's will' by destroying the Jewish people?

How come the oath that every Nazi soldier had to take, began with 'I swear in the name of almighty god my loyalty to the Fuhrer'?

How come on the belt buckle of every Nazi soldier were the words 'God on our side'?

Furthermore, the first treaty made by the Nazi's was with the Vatican. Allowing Catholic control of German education.

Worst of all, the Catholic Church celebrated the birth of the Fuhrer every year until his death in 1945.

Let me move on to your other examples.

May I ask, what the bloody hell does phone-hacking, the NHS and the expenses scandal have to do with religious belief? These events involved both religious and non-religious people! Are you suggesting that those events somehow represent atheism?

You are a confused individual with ludicrous and muddled arguments.

I am not a fan of "organized religion" as well. Implying Christians today share the blame for the Crusades and Hitler's atrocities is pathetic.

I am not suggesting that. I am refuting the idea that Hitler was an atheist in any form. I also believe it is pathetic to use Hitler as an argument AGAINST atheists, do you not?

Ok Provide us with evidence that hitler was devoutly religious man enacting the good work set out by Jesus. The Nazi used religious verse as political slogans but do you honestly think priests were holding court reading mein kampf to their flock?Everything in his life suggests was more atheist than believer.

Why do you have to go after religion? It gives people comfort; it doesn't hurt anything." Okay, well, other than most wars, the Crusades, the Inquisition, 9/11, arranged marriages to minors, blowing up girls' schools, the suppression of women and homosexuals, fatwas, ethnic cleansing, honor rape, human sacrifice, burning witches, suicide bombings, condoning slavery, and the systematic f*cking of children, there's a few little things I have a problem with

If you honestly believe all those atrocities are caused by religion and not mans capacity to self destruct then i think you really ought to have a deeper look at human beings, observe how religious individuals conduct themselves. I don't remember Joe Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pott, ever espousing religious views. And what about the the nastiness in mid staffs NHS trust, journalists hacking the phone of murdered children, MPs exspenses , Are these your poster boys for modern atheism?

Although the above list is actually a quote from Bill Maher, those events were all certainly caused by religion. Some are still on going, such as the suppression of women, institutionalised paedophilia, and the vilification of homosexuals for example, whereas others serve as horrific reminders of the potency of religious doctrine.

The 'Hitler was an Atheist' line is an absolute classic and always makes me laugh (and cringe).

How come in the first chapter of 'Mein Kampf' Hitler says he is 'doing god's word' and 'executing god's will' by destroying the Jewish people?

How come the oath that every Nazi soldier had to take, began with 'I swear in the name of almighty god my loyalty to the Fuhrer'?

How come on the belt buckle of every Nazi soldier were the words 'God on our side'?

Furthermore, the first treaty made by the Nazi's was with the Vatican. Allowing Catholic control of German education.

Worst of all, the Catholic Church celebrated the birth of the Fuhrer every year until his death in 1945.

Let me move on to your other examples.

May I ask, what the bloody hell does phone-hacking, the NHS and the expenses scandal have to do with religious belief? These events involved both religious and non-religious people! Are you suggesting that those events somehow represent atheism?

You are a confused individual with ludicrous and muddled arguments.

I am not a fan of "organized religion" as well. Implying Christians today share the blame for the Crusades and Hitler's atrocities is pathetic.

I am not suggesting that. I am refuting the idea that Hitler was an atheist in any form. I also believe it is pathetic to use Hitler as an argument AGAINST atheists, do you not?

Ok Provide us with evidence that hitler was devoutly religious man enacting the good work set out by Jesus. The Nazi used religious verse as political slogans but do you honestly think priests were holding court reading mein kampf to their flock?Everything in his life suggests was more atheist than believer.

He was neither! Why is that so hard for you to comprehend?

This is what the religious resort to. Debating whether Hitler was 'more' of an atheist. He clearly doesn't fit into any clear cut belief! He is a man unique to history and ideology!

Utterly, utterly, pathetic that you will try and use him as an example of an atheist.

Ohhgaa I never did imply he was. I do not think Christians, should allow ourselves to think anyone responsible for evil, and great evil t that may have not done it in the name of a greater power, i.e. Crusades, 9/11, Spanish Inquisition, etc.... My point is that too many Anti-Christians use examples like Hitler to somehow say Christianity is at fault. Clearly it is the misguided actions of misguided men.

And while we are at it. How come we are so quick to bring up Hitler in this discussion or the "evil" people claiming to know Christ commit, but never will you hear someone mention what Christianity has actually brought to the table for good.

http://markconner.typepad.com/catch_the ... world.html

Not exactly perfect but some good tidbits.

Ohhgaa I never did imply he was. I do not think Christians, should allow ourselves to think anyone responsible for evil, and great evil t that may have not done it in the name of a greater power, i.e. Crusades, 9/11, Spanish Inquisition, etc.... My point is that too many Anti-Christians use examples like Hitler to somehow say Christianity is at fault. Clearly it is the misguided actions of misguided men.

Of course. Men who are unique, and thus unique in their views, both religious and non-religious.

It does however, annoy me when religious people (like the ignorant poster above) wheel out the 'Hitler was an atheist' argument as if that somehow discredits atheism itself! Firstly, he clearly wasn't, and almost all historians agree that he was a man of muddled faith. Secondly, he is one man unique to history. Finally, if we're arguing over which atrocities were religious/non-religious then there will only be one victor.

I think it smacks of desperation when someone says 'this dictator believed this' in an argument on religion. More so when they're actually wrong.

He was not religious, He was acting like a man with no consience or any fear of the after life, to me that holes him in the atheist camp. Yet strangely you reject him as yours

He was not religious, He was acting like a man with no consience or any fear of the after life, to me that holes him in the atheist camp. Yet strangely you reject him as yours

He was acting in the name of God if you take his own words. He felt that God was on his side. I have been over this and will not go over it again.

You are clearly incapable of understanding that Hitler was neither religious nor an atheist.

Your are clearly incapable of understanding that even if Hitler WAS a self-proclaimed atheist, this would offer absolutely nothing to your argument.

You are desperate, you are pathetic, and you are discrediting those who are sensible in their belief.

He was not religious, He was acting like a man with no consience or any fear of the after life, to me that holes him in the atheist camp. Yet strangely you reject him as yours

He was acting in the name of God if you take his own words. He felt that God was on his side. I have been over this and will not go over it again.

You are clearly incapable of understanding that Hitler was neither religious nor an atheist.

Your are clearly incapable of understanding that even if Hitler WAS a self-proclaimed atheist, this would offer absolutely nothing to your argument.

You are desperate, you are pathetic, and you are discrediting those who are sensible in their belief.

I'm remaining very dignified here, i don't take hitler by his word, you clearly do, and then you call me pathetic?

He was not religious, He was acting like a man with no consience or any fear of the after life, to me that holes him in the atheist camp. Yet strangely you reject him as yours

He was acting in the name of God if you take his own words. He felt that God was on his side. I have been over this and will not go over it again.

You are clearly incapable of understanding that Hitler was neither religious nor an atheist.

Your are clearly incapable of understanding that even if Hitler WAS a self-proclaimed atheist, this would offer absolutely nothing to your argument.

You are desperate, you are pathetic, and you are discrediting those who are sensible in their belief.

I'm remaining very dignified here, i don't take hitler by his word, you clearly do, and then you call me pathetic?

What does that even mean?

Hitler is a man unique to history. He was not religious, he was not an atheist, he was a man whose beliefs, views, and ideologies were separate from any previously established categories.

If you feel happy branding him an 'atheist' despite this then feel free to do so. However there is myriad evidence to the contrary, and I fail to understand how anyone with a moderate understanding of his life could do so.

Ohhgaa I never did imply he was. I do not think Christians, should allow ourselves to think anyone responsible for evil, and great evil t that may have not done it in the name of a greater power, i.e. Crusades, 9/11, Spanish Inquisition, etc.... My point is that too many Anti-Christians use examples like Hitler to somehow say Christianity is at fault. Clearly it is the misguided actions of misguided men.

Of course. Men who are unique, and thus unique in their views, both religious and non-religious.

It does however, annoy me when religious people (like the ignorant poster above) wheel out the 'Hitler was an atheist' argument as if that somehow discredits atheism itself! Firstly, he clearly wasn't, and almost all historians agree that he was a man of muddled faith. Secondly, he is one man unique to history. Finally, if we're arguing over which atrocities were religious/non-religious then there will only be one victor.

I think it smacks of desperation when someone says 'this dictator believed this' in an argument on religion. More so when they're actually wrong.

Agree with much of this, religion and faith are two different things IMO. Man maybe "religious" meaning he considers himself a part of an larger institution, but he may not be faithful in his actions.

The day religion gets abolished, is the day the human race can move on.

I see you nutters are still hard on the topic of the guy dressed as a tramp in the sky getting a taxi on the ufo's

I wouldnt bother listening to OOH I got it wrong again.

Despite being told to the contrary he spouts the same stuff over and over again, hes like a broken record, unwilling to listen to any other argument. Take his drivel that the Catholic Church despises homosexuals, ive explained the churches position on homosexuality at least 3 times now at which point he stops posting because he cant debate my reasoning, yet guaranteed thinking people have have short memories he repeats the exact same stuff in the exact same scripted way.

I will give you an example oh his 'superior' intellect. Ohhgaa believes people who follow organised religion are weak willed individuals who cling on to the idea of an after life because unlike people of his superior intellect cant cope with death. Implying that he is vastly superior than unintelligent bible wielding lesser beings.

I have never heard such bigoted uneducated ridiculous drivel but will he listen no, will he take anybodies opinion on board other than his own no.

I refuse to debate him AGAIN as he lacks any debating skill with the mentality of im right your wrong and thats it.

so there is no point.

Here is the wikipedia article on the church and hitler read it and take from it what you will

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_C ... zi_Germany

Hitler was not a practicing Catholic despite being raised a Catholic

The Waffen-SS the Nazi wing of the military did not follow organised religion and created their own religion

The Wehrmacht the conventional armed forces of Germany did.

The Waffen-SS were responsible for the holocaust the Wehrmacht were not.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-rel ... 3573/posts

the Catholic Church fought against the Nazis pre-war and during to the point when the whole of Europe was under the tyrannical grip of Hitler on man stood against him Pope Pius XII thats one lonely figure from a very small city state.

Ohhgaa will not listen or read any of this information because it doesnt suit his opinion.

However each to their own and hopefully this young man will learn the skills of debate and rational thinking and learn that despite his opinion people have other opinions and there is a chance that they may have a point.

No doubt he will try to discredit me however I dont care.

Remember this though most of what he posts about religion is just hate filled bile

Jim Jefferies sums up my feelings on the whole thing

The Lord of the Rings or Harry Potter will become a religion sooner or later. To be fair there is a lot more factual information in those two series of books than in any religious book that has come out of Christianity or Islam.

NJ73, Jim Jeffries is the best comedian by a mile. Steve Hughes is another quality comedian.

NJ73, Jim Jeffries is the best comedian by a mile. Steve Hughes is another quality comedian.

Yep Jim Jefferies is quality. I haven't heard of Steve Hughes so I'll check him out.

If he was, as you say, trying to 'appeal' to the German Catholics, then it wouldn't have been in 'Mein Kampf'. It was initially written solely for his party, and it's popularity grew AFTER publication and wasn't intended to be read by anyone who didn't already agree with his political standpoint. It is not a manifesto as many seem to believe.

95% of Germany in the 1920/30s was Catholic.

How did he persecute the Catholics?

Put them in concentration camps, executed them, restricted their activities.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index ... 757AA6FDGV

That's a somewhat insulting statement when you consider how we persecuted other sections of society.

Never implied for one second that he didn't.

In a speech made while in power, and with no motive to win support, he said "The Church's interests cannot fail to coincide with ours alike in our fight against the symptoms of degeneracy in the world of today, in our fight against the Bolshevist culture, against an atheistic movement, against criminality, and in our struggle for the consciousness of a community in our national life, for the conquest of hatred and disunion between the classes, for the conquest of civil war and unrest, of strife and discord. These are not anti-Christian, these are Christian principles."

He also said 'One is either a Christian or a German. You cannot be both'. He also didn't become Fuhrer until later on in his reign so still needed support for the first period of time.

In 'Mein Kampf' Hitler proposes that the destruction of the weak is more humane than ensuring their survival. He then justifies this through 'God's will'.

I've addressed that.

A treaty they very quickly broke? The treaty is still technically in force TODAY (although not relevant of course) and there were very few violations! Showing your historical ignorance now.

Wrong. Nazis broke Section 31 time and time again. It might have not been officially repudiated but technically was.

You clearly know very little about this. The Catholic Church held a special prayer service on Hitler's birthday, by order of the Vatican, every April until his death. This is a well-known historical fact and the Church, unsurprisingly, have yet to apologise.

Vatican was in Italy, Germany's ally. Probably didn't even know of the atrocities until the end of the war when he had died. Are you really surprised? They were terrified of him and further persecution.

Please stop throwing around the ad hominems or I will cease speaking to you.

I agree with that, however it does not counter the point that a whole host of atrocities are a result of religious belief.

And you cannot counter the point that a whole load more atrocities have been without religious belief.
Furthermore, many of the religious ones were people acting against the principles of their faith.

The Lord of the Rings or Harry Potter will become a religion sooner or later. To be fair there is a lot more factual information in those two series of books than in any religious book that has come out of Christianity or Islam.

This is dumb when you realise that the Old Testament is a history book which has never been contradicted and often supported by historical and archaelogical evidence.

Also the Bible clearly states the world was round in isaiah 40:22.

Plus the New testament is one of the most historically accurate books in history.

But you don't want to acknowledge that so you'll maybe up silly arguments to cover it.

I wouldnt bother listening to OOH I got it wrong again.

Despite being told to the contrary he spouts the same stuff over and over again, hes like a broken record, unwilling to listen to any other argument. Take his drivel that the Catholic Church despises homosexuals, ive explained the churches position on homosexuality at least 3 times now at which point he stops posting because he cant debate my reasoning, yet guaranteed thinking people have have short memories he repeats the exact same stuff in the exact same scripted way.

I will give you an example oh his 'superior' intellect. Ohhgaa believes people who follow organised religion are weak willed individuals who cling on to the idea of an after life because unlike people of his superior intellect cant cope with death. Implying that he is vastly superior than unintelligent bible wielding lesser beings.

I have never heard such bigoted uneducated ridiculous drivel but will he listen no, will he take anybodies opinion on board other than his own no.

I refuse to debate him AGAIN as he lacks any debating skill with the mentality of im right your wrong and thats it.

so there is no point.

Here is the wikipedia article on the church and hitler read it and take from it what you will

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_C ... zi_Germany

Hitler was not a practicing Catholic despite being raised a Catholic

The Waffen-SS the Nazi wing of the military did not follow organised religion and created their own religion

The Wehrmacht the conventional armed forces of Germany did.

The Waffen-SS were responsible for the holocaust the Wehrmacht were not.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-rel ... 3573/posts

the Catholic Church fought against the Nazis pre-war and during to the point when the whole of Europe was under the tyrannical grip of Hitler on man stood against him Pope Pius XII thats one lonely figure from a very small city state.

Ohhgaa will not listen or read any of this information because it doesnt suit his opinion.

However each to their own and hopefully this young man will learn the skills of debate and rational thinking and learn that despite his opinion people have other opinions and there is a chance that they may have a point.

No doubt he will try to discredit me however I dont care.

Remember this though most of what he posts about religion is just hate filled bile

This

The day religion gets abolished, is the day the human race can move on.

Move on to what? An amoral state with a tonne of depressed people, which we're already heading towards....

Because God is the only possible cause.

How do you know?

Because God is the only possible cause.

How do you know?

Universal, unchanging and immaterial laws can only be accounted for by a universal, unchanging, immaterial being who is eternal.

God is those things.

Because God is the only possible cause.

How do you know?

Universal, unchanging and immaterial laws can only be accounted for by a universal, unchanging, immaterial being who is eternal.

God is those things.

How do you know any of that can only be accounted for by a universal, unchanging, immaterial being who is eternal?