Gwyn jumping the fence is almost here

My take on it is this, even if Gwyn made this claim, why would he stick to it in light of how the club looks today? Top of the league, further investment imminent!

Ok do the debt hasn't been converted yet, no doubt simply down to the fact the SH situation isn't resolved.

In fairness to both Gwyn and Annis they have both stuck to their guns on their respective points of view, asking Gwyn to switch now because of a throw away comment he allegedly made six months ago when life as a city fan is rosey is just childish and stupid, I would expect better from a man involved in politics....but then again it you isn't it Adam.

Why make personal comments to Adam regards politics ? What's that got to do with the thread ?

Gwyn has been abusive and violent again but you don't comment on that Gavlar ?

Gwyn hasn't had a " life " as a city fan - he's in fact a fraud in that region ------ the Hammam return being his "comeback "

Accordingly the lads in the Anchor in taffs well he missed nearly 20 years of his self claimed 40!!!!!

One fella in the wheel chair think he was called Granville. Said he dispersed for years !!!!

I can tell you Gwyn was going before sam hammam came as i travelled with him home and away and so did many others..
Stop making rubbish up

Very rare if he did ----- a check of records also show a distinct lack of 90s apperances too ------ super fan not quite as super as he likes to make people think I'm afraid.


What records from the ninety's, unlike you, I have plenty of friends who still travel with me who were with me in the eighties seventies and even sixties, what records do you need, and what you trying to prove. when have i ever referred to myself as a super fan, not a term I would use, I feel honored and privileged just to be a fan, of a super club, but how do you define super fan?

Not sure why he feels he need to o so but sadly he does ------- this is the gimp filming fans going to a meeting with the CEO over their season ticket refunds

This is the gimp. Who takes binochulars. To the ground to try and spot an Internet poster


SAD

So hens Gwyn " going over the fence ". Have we got to the bottom of it yet ?

What fence? is this the same one you sit on when it comes to supporting cardiff or not

My take on it is this, even if Gwyn made this claim, why would he stick to it in light of how the club looks today? Top of the league, further investment imminent!

Ok do the debt hasn't been converted yet, no doubt simply down to the fact the SH situation isn't resolved.

In fairness to both Gwyn and Annis they have both stuck to their guns on their respective points of view, asking Gwyn to switch now because of a throw away comment he allegedly made six months ago when life as a city fan is rosey is just childish and stupid, I would expect better from a man involved in politics....but then again it you isn't it Adam.

Why make personal comments to Adam regards politics ? What's that got to do with the thread ?

Gwyn has been abusive and violent again but you don't comment on that Gavlar ?

Gwyn hasn't had a " life " as a city fan - he's in fact a fraud in that region ------ the Hammam return being his "comeback "

Accordingly the lads in the Anchor in taffs well he missed nearly 20 years of his self claimed 40!!!!!

One fella in the wheel chair think he was called Granville. Said he dispersed for years !!!!

I can tell you Gwyn was going before sam hammam came as i travelled with him home and away and so did many others..
Stop making rubbish up

Very rare if he did ----- a check of records also show a distinct lack of 90s apperances too ------ super fan not quite as super as he likes to make people think I'm afraid.

Not sure why he feels he need to o so but sadly he does ------- this is the gimp filming fans going to a meeting with the CEO over their season ticket refunds

This is the gimp. Who takes binochulars. To the ground to try and spot an Internet poster


SAD

I travelled with gwyn around early 90s to late 90s to places like rochdale etc but remember him going and seeing him there in the early to mid 80s so your quote about him only making a comeback since sam came is rubbish..

so he never played rugby then on a saturday afternoon..?

So hens Gwyn " going over the fence ". Have we got to the bottom of it yet ?

What fence? is this the same one you sit on when it comes to supporting cardiff or not

I don't support Cardiff , is that hard to understand even for you ?

Gwyn, you told us to ask Annis and yet I've quoted his claim to what you said in the meeting.

YEs he assumed that then until it was clarified to him, he assumed when I said about VT shafting us, he thought I meant regarding the debt to equity, I didn't and he knows now.
He still pins a lot of credence on this debt to equity issue, I don't and never have, i was more concerned he would not provide the transfer kitty, which in all fairness he has done and then some more.

Fair enough and Id rather the debt being cleared than promotion but I'm very happy.

here we go again, but paying himself the money he owes himself changes nothing, how do you see that as making us debt free, the same position we are in, whether VT controls us through debt or equity, the same position we are in.
If he pays himself the money he owes himself, will it make you feel any better, and if so, how?

It may sound like I'm joining in with your two favourite fans but I'm not, I don't have a reason to constantly slag you off or be little you as I dont know you personally nor have you done anything against me.

My take on it is this, even if Gwyn made this claim, why would he stick to it in light of how the club looks today? Top of the league, further investment imminent!

Ok do the debt hasn't been converted yet, no doubt simply down to the fact the SH situation isn't resolved.

In fairness to both Gwyn and Annis they have both stuck to their guns on their respective points of view, asking Gwyn to switch now because of a throw away comment he allegedly made six months ago when life as a city fan is rosey is just childish and stupid, I would expect better from a man involved in politics....but then again it you isn't it Adam.

Why make personal comments to Adam regards politics ? What's that got to do with the thread ?

Gwyn has been abusive and violent again but you don't comment on that Gavlar ?

Gwyn hasn't had a " life " as a city fan - he's in fact a fraud in that region ------ the Hammam return being his "comeback "

Accordingly the lads in the Anchor in taffs well he missed nearly 20 years of his self claimed 40!!!!!

One fella in the wheel chair think he was called Granville. Said he dispersed for years !!!!

I can tell you Gwyn was going before sam hammam came as i travelled with him home and away and so did many others..
Stop making rubbish up

Very rare if he did ----- a check of records also show a distinct lack of 90s apperances too ------ super fan not quite as super as he likes to make people think I'm afraid.

Not sure why he feels he need to o so but sadly he does ------- this is the gimp filming fans going to a meeting with the CEO over their season ticket refunds

This is the gimp. Who takes binochulars. To the ground to try and spot an Internet poster


SAD

I travelled with gwyn around early 90s to late 90s to places like rochdale etc but remember him going and seeing him there in the early to mid 80s so your quote about him only making a comeback since sam came is rubbish..

so he never played rugby then on a saturday afternoon..?

God almighty this is bordering on stalking

My take on it is this, even if Gwyn made this claim, why would he stick to it in light of how the club looks today? Top of the league, further investment imminent!

Ok do the debt hasn't been converted yet, no doubt simply down to the fact the SH situation isn't resolved.

In fairness to both Gwyn and Annis they have both stuck to their guns on their respective points of view, asking Gwyn to switch now because of a throw away comment he allegedly made six months ago when life as a city fan is rosey is just childish and stupid, I would expect better from a man involved in politics....but then again it you isn't it Adam.

Why make personal comments to Adam regards politics ? What's that got to do with the thread ?

Gwyn has been abusive and violent again but you don't comment on that Gavlar ?

Gwyn hasn't had a " life " as a city fan - he's in fact a fraud in that region ------ the Hammam return being his "comeback "

Accordingly the lads in the Anchor in taffs well he missed nearly 20 years of his self claimed 40!!!!!

One fella in the wheel chair think he was called Granville. Said he dispersed for years !!!!

I can tell you Gwyn was going before sam hammam came as i travelled with him home and away and so did many others..
Stop making rubbish up

Very rare if he did ----- a check of records also show a distinct lack of 90s apperances too ------ super fan not quite as super as he likes to make people think I'm afraid.

Not sure why he feels he need to o so but sadly he does ------- this is the gimp filming fans going to a meeting with the CEO over their season ticket refunds

This is the gimp. Who takes binochulars. To the ground to try and spot an Internet poster


SAD

I travelled with gwyn around early 90s to late 90s to places like rochdale etc but remember him going and seeing him there in the early to mid 80s so your quote about him only making a comeback since sam came is rubbish..

so he never played rugby then on a saturday afternoon..?

Maybe he watched from his binochulars !!!



Gwyn ---- what was your season ticket number in 1999 ? No trace within the records you having one ?

Or did ou pay on the day during that period ? Couldn't have been egg chasing as you weren't playing for ponty then ?

Ok do the debt hasn't been converted yet, no doubt simply down to the fact the SH situation isn't resolved.

In fairness to both Gwyn and Annis they have both stuck to their guns on their respective points of view, asking Gwyn to switch now because of a throw away comment he allegedly made six months ago when life as a city fan is rosey is just childish and stupid, I would expect better from a man involved in politics....but then again it you isn't it Adam.[/quote]

Why make personal comments to Adam regards politics ? What's that got to do with the thread ?

Gwyn has been abusive and violent again but you don't comment on that Gavlar ?

Gwyn hasn't had a " life " as a city fan - he's in fact a fraud in that region ------ the Hammam return being his "comeback "

Accordingly the lads in the Anchor in taffs well he missed nearly 20 years of his self claimed 40!!!!!

One fella in the wheel chair think he was called Granville. Said he dispersed for years !!!![/quote]

I can tell you Gwyn was going before sam hammam came as i travelled with him home and away and so did many others..
Stop making rubbish up[/quote]

Very rare if he did ----- a check of records also show a distinct lack of 90s apperances too ------ super fan not quite as super as he likes to make people think I'm afraid.

Not sure why he feels he need to o so but sadly he does ------- this is the gimp filming fans going to a meeting with the CEO over their season ticket refunds

This is the gimp. Who takes binochulars. To the ground to try and spot an Internet poster


SAD[/quote]

I travelled with gwyn around early 90s to late 90s to places like rochdale etc but remember him going and seeing him there in the early to mid 80s so your quote about him only making a comeback since sam came is rubbish..[/quote]

so he never played rugby then on a saturday afternoon..?[/quote]

God almighty this is bordering on stalking[/quote]

Research response Gavlar

Stalking would be taking a pair of binochulars to a game to stalk an Internet poster called Barry chuckle

My take on it is this, even if Gwyn made this claim, why would he stick to it in light of how the club looks today? Top of the league, further investment imminent!

Ok do the debt hasn't been converted yet, no doubt simply down to the fact the SH situation isn't resolved.

In fairness to both Gwyn and Annis they have both stuck to their guns on their respective points of view, asking Gwyn to switch now because of a throw away comment he allegedly made six months ago when life as a city fan is rosey is just childish and stupid, I would expect better from a man involved in politics....but then again it you isn't it Adam.

Why make personal comments to Adam regards politics ? What's that got to do with the thread ?

Gwyn has been abusive and violent again but you don't comment on that Gavlar ?

Gwyn hasn't had a " life " as a city fan - he's in fact a fraud in that region ------ the Hammam return being his "comeback "

Accordingly the lads in the Anchor in taffs well he missed nearly 20 years of his self claimed 40!!!!!

One fella in the wheel chair think he was called Granville. Said he dispersed for years !!!!

I can tell you Gwyn was going before sam hammam came as i travelled with him home and away and so did many others..
Stop making rubbish up

Very rare if he did ----- a check of records also show a distinct lack of 90s apperances too ------ super fan not quite as super as he likes to make people think I'm afraid.

Not sure why he feels he need to o so but sadly he does ------- this is the gimp filming fans going to a meeting with the CEO over their season ticket refunds

This is the gimp. Who takes binochulars. To the ground to try and spot an Internet poster


SAD

I travelled with gwyn around early 90s to late 90s to places like rochdale etc but remember him going and seeing him there in the early to mid 80s so your quote about him only making a comeback since sam came is rubbish..

so he never played rugby then on a saturday afternoon..?

Of course I did, never tried to hide that, why would I, Vince Alm who is Mr Cardiff in my eyes used to play rugby for Fairwater, does that make him less of a city fan because of that. I even wrote about it in my Valley Rams book,, I started playing rugby when I gave up competitive judo at around 29 years of ag, and retired through injury when I was around thirty five, but still mange to see plenty of City games during this period, but so what, what does it prove, never remember signing an exclusivity contract when i started watching the City.

So hens Gwyn " going over the fence ". Have we got to the bottom of it yet ?

What fence? is this the same one you sit on when it comes to supporting cardiff or not

I don't support Cardiff , is that hard to understand even for you ?

Why do you bother stirring for then? I wouldn't continually go on another teams message board to cause arguments.

Stalking would be taking a pair of binochulars to a game to stalk an Internet poster called Barry chuckle

That's hunting, not stalking

Enjoy your ongoing debate gents, hopefully we can leave such threads in 2012.....

Night

So hens Gwyn " going over the fence ". Have we got to the bottom of it yet ?

What fence? is this the same one you sit on when it comes to supporting cardiff or not

I don't support Cardiff , is that hard to understand even for you ?

Why do you bother stirring for then? I wouldn't continually go on another teams message board to cause arguments.

Because idiots like u make it addictive !!!

This forum according to the owner is or all football fans ???????

Stalking would be taking a pair of binochulars to a game to stalk an Internet poster called Barry chuckle

That's hunting, not stalking

What a warrior you are !

Stalking would be taking a pair of binochulars to a game to stalk an Internet poster called Barry chuckle

That's hunting, not stalking

Where were you hunting in 1999. ?

Rob Foster , you know him Gwyn ????

Ok do the debt hasn't been converted yet, no doubt simply down to the fact the SH situation isn't resolved.

In fairness to both Gwyn and Annis they have both stuck to their guns on their respective points of view, asking Gwyn to switch now because of a throw away comment he allegedly made six months ago when life as a city fan is rosey is just childish and stupid, I would expect better from a man involved in politics....but then again it you isn't it Adam.[/quote]

Why make personal comments to Adam regards politics ? What's that got to do with the thread ?

Gwyn has been abusive and violent again but you don't comment on that Gavlar ?

Gwyn hasn't had a " life " as a city fan - he's in fact a fraud in that region ------ the Hammam return being his "comeback "

Accordingly the lads in the Anchor in taffs well he missed nearly 20 years of his self claimed 40!!!!!

One fella in the wheel chair think he was called Granville. Said he dispersed for years !!!![/quote]

I can tell you Gwyn was going before sam hammam came as i travelled with him home and away and so did many others..
Stop making rubbish up[/quote]

Very rare if he did ----- a check of records also show a distinct lack of 90s apperances too ------ super fan not quite as super as he likes to make people think I'm afraid.

Not sure why he feels he need to o so but sadly he does ------- this is the gimp filming fans going to a meeting with the CEO over their season ticket refunds

This is the gimp. Who takes binochulars. To the ground to try and spot an Internet poster


SAD[/quote]

I travelled with gwyn around early 90s to late 90s to places like rochdale etc but remember him going and seeing him there in the early to mid 80s so your quote about him only making a comeback since sam came is rubbish..[/quote]

so he never played rugby then on a saturday afternoon..?[/quote]

Maybe he watched from his binochulars !!!



Gwyn ---- what was your season ticket number in 1999 ? No trace within the records you having one ?

Or did ou pay on the day during that period ? Couldn't have been egg chasing as you weren't playing for ponty then ?[/quote]


They never had season tickets in the disabled section, if you had been areal fan you'd koiw that I spent a huge part of my life taking beefy everywhere in his wheelchair to games all over the UK and European loads know this and you are making yourself look silly.
We had a plaque put up in the Ninian Park disabled section when he died and that's been transferred over to the new stadium, his ashes were also buried in the canton Goals.

If you also check around this period that concerns you so much, because I didn't have tp pay for home games, I would sponsor the occasional players shirt etc, and also paid for and donated the disabled supporters player of the year cup, which is still in circulation.
Is that what you have based your fact on, the lack of season ticket, can't ever remember claiming I had one during this period, never needed one, I would have asked someone to sign a diary for me if I thought I would need to prove I'd been there.
Desperate or what.

Stalking would be taking a pair of binochulars to a game to stalk an Internet poster called Barry chuckle

That's hunting, not stalking

What a warrior you are !

An iron, with no irony

Stalking would be taking a pair of binochulars to a game to stalk an Internet poster called Barry chuckle

That's hunting, not stalking

Where were you hunting in 1999. ?

Disabled section, and in the rain as well.

Rob Foster , you know him Gwyn ????

Nick name, this is South Wales, I got mates I went to school with I don't know other than by nickname.

Ok do the debt hasn't been converted yet, no doubt simply down to the fact the SH situation isn't resolved.

In fairness to both Gwyn and Annis they have both stuck to their guns on their respective points of view, asking Gwyn to switch now because of a throw away comment he allegedly made six months ago when life as a city fan is rosey is just childish and stupid, I would expect better from a man involved in politics....but then again it you isn't it Adam.

Why make personal comments to Adam regards politics ? What's that got to do with the thread ?

Gwyn has been abusive and violent again but you don't comment on that Gavlar ?

Gwyn hasn't had a " life " as a city fan - he's in fact a fraud in that region ------ the Hammam return being his "comeback "

Accordingly the lads in the Anchor in taffs well he missed nearly 20 years of his self claimed 40!!!!!

One fella in the wheel chair think he was called Granville. Said he dispersed for years !!!![/quote]

I can tell you Gwyn was going before sam hammam came as i travelled with him home and away and so did many others..
Stop making rubbish up[/quote]

Very rare if he did ----- a check of records also show a distinct lack of 90s apperances too ------ super fan not quite as super as he likes to make people think I'm afraid.

Not sure why he feels he need to o so but sadly he does ------- this is the gimp filming fans going to a meeting with the CEO over their season ticket refunds

This is the gimp. Who takes binochulars. To the ground to try and spot an Internet poster


SAD[/quote]

I travelled with gwyn around early 90s to late 90s to places like rochdale etc but remember him going and seeing him there in the early to mid 80s so your quote about him only making a comeback since sam came is rubbish..[/quote]

so he never played rugby then on a saturday afternoon..?[/quote]

Maybe he watched from his binochulars !!!



Gwyn ---- what was your season ticket number in 1999 ? No trace within the records you having one ?

Or did ou pay on the day during that period ? Couldn't have been egg chasing as you weren't playing for ponty then ?[/quote]


They never had season tickets in the disabled section, if you had been areal fan you'd koiw that I spent a huge part of my life taking beefy everywhere in his wheelchair to games all over the UK and European loads know this and you are making yourself look silly.
We had a plaque put up in the Ninian Park disabled section when he died and that's been transferred over to the new stadium, his ashes were also buried in the canton Goals.

If you also check around this period that concerns you so much, because I didn't have tp pay for home games, I would sponsor the occasional players shirt etc, and also paid for and donated the disabled supporters player of the year cup, which is still in circulation.
Is that what you have based your fact on, the lack of season ticket, can't ever remember claiming I had one during this period, never needed one, I would have asked someone to sign a diary for me if I thought I would need to prove I'd been there.
Desperate or what. [/quote]

No I'm just reading through quickly all the data collated and noticed no record that year of your attendance . You didn't make any sponsorship that year under your name .

As for " if you had been a real fan ". When did I profess this ????? More a lucid claims by yourself !

So anyway why did you feel the need to take binochulars to " hunt own " Barry chuckle ?

Gwyn, you told us to ask Annis and yet I've quoted his claim to what you said in the meeting.

YEs he assumed that then until it was clarified to him, he assumed when I said about VT shafting us, he thought I meant regarding the debt to equity, I didn't and he knows now.
He still pins a lot of credence on this debt to equity issue, I don't and never have, i was more concerned he would not provide the transfer kitty, which in all fairness he has done and then some more.

Fair enough and Id rather the debt being cleared than promotion but I'm very happy.

here we go again, but paying himself the money he owes himself changes nothing, how do you see that as making us debt free, the same position we are in, whether VT controls us through debt or equity, the same position we are in.
If he pays himself the money he owes himself, will it make you feel any better, and if so, how?

It may sound like I'm joining in with your two favourite fans but I'm not, I don't have a reason to constantly slag you off or be little you as I dont know you personally nor have you done anything against me.

Is that the truth though? cause whole debt issue is rather confusing, I thought he loaned 1mil in the club each month with 7% interest? Well that's what I heard of this board anyhow.

Rob Foster , you know him Gwyn ????

Nick name, this is South Wales, I got mates I went to school with I don't know other than by nickname.

What's your nickname then ? His was fosters

Gwyn is telling the truth. Even though at times he chats rubbish he is telling the truth. He may have said those things at the meeting but ever since he has made it well clear that his opinion and stance has changed. This was mentioned ages ago. Its not like he has changed his mind now suddenly at the drop of a hat.

Ok do the debt hasn't been converted yet, no doubt simply down to the fact the SH situation isn't resolved.

In fairness to both Gwyn and Annis they have both stuck to their guns on their respective points of view, asking Gwyn to switch now because of a throw away comment he allegedly made six months ago when life as a city fan is rosey is just childish and stupid, I would expect better from a man involved in politics....but then again it you isn't it Adam.

Why make personal comments to Adam regards politics ? What's that got to do with the thread ?

Gwyn has been abusive and violent again but you don't comment on that Gavlar ?

Gwyn hasn't had a " life " as a city fan - he's in fact a fraud in that region ------ the Hammam return being his "comeback "

Accordingly the lads in the Anchor in taffs well he missed nearly 20 years of his self claimed 40!!!!!

One fella in the wheel chair think he was called Granville. Said he dispersed for years !!!!

I can tell you Gwyn was going before sam hammam came as i travelled with him home and away and so did many others..
Stop making rubbish up[/quote]

Very rare if he did ----- a check of records also show a distinct lack of 90s apperances too ------ super fan not quite as super as he likes to make people think I'm afraid.

Not sure why he feels he need to o so but sadly he does ------- this is the gimp filming fans going to a meeting with the CEO over their season ticket refunds

This is the gimp. Who takes binochulars. To the ground to try and spot an Internet poster


SAD[/quote]

I travelled with gwyn around early 90s to late 90s to places like rochdale etc but remember him going and seeing him there in the early to mid 80s so your quote about him only making a comeback since sam came is rubbish..[/quote]

so he never played rugby then on a saturday afternoon..?[/quote]

Maybe he watched from his binochulars !!!



Gwyn ---- what was your season ticket number in 1999 ? No trace within the records you having one ?

Or did ou pay on the day during that period ? Couldn't have been egg chasing as you weren't playing for ponty then ?[/quote]


They never had season tickets in the disabled section, if you had been areal fan you'd koiw that I spent a huge part of my life taking beefy everywhere in his wheelchair to games all over the UK and European loads know this and you are making yourself look silly.
We had a plaque put up in the Ninian Park disabled section when he died and that's been transferred over to the new stadium, his ashes were also buried in the canton Goals.

If you also check around this period that concerns you so much, because I didn't have tp pay for home games, I would sponsor the occasional players shirt etc, and also paid for and donated the disabled supporters player of the year cup, which is still in circulation.
Is that what you have based your fact on, the lack of season ticket, can't ever remember claiming I had one during this period, never needed one, I would have asked someone to sign a diary for me if I thought I would need to prove I'd been there.
Desperate or what. [/quote]

No I'm just reading through quickly all the data collated and noticed no record that year of your attendance . You didn't make any sponsorship that year under your name .

As for " if you had been a real fan ". When did I profess this ????? More a lucid claims by yourself !

No you said super fan, my mistake.

So anyway why did you feel the need to take binochulars to " hunt own " Barry chuckle ?[/quote]

Done a few actually, usually in my sons name Jame Davies and also in Beefys name, ( you might find that strange sponsoring someone in anothers name and not looking for self praise ) ironically one of the ones we sponsored was a lad called Andy Goram, big long throw lad, thought he was going to make it, then a few years late bumped into him dealing cards as a croupier in a Cardiff casino (TLG will have details for you on appearance records and the like, have you phoned up to check on the disabled supporters cup sponsor as well

Rob Foster , you know him Gwyn ????

Nick name, this is South Wales, I got mates I went to school with I don't know other than by nickname.

What's your nickname then ? His was fosters

Fatty

Gwyn, you told us to ask Annis and yet I've quoted his claim to what you said in the meeting.

YEs he assumed that then until it was clarified to him, he assumed when I said about VT shafting us, he thought I meant regarding the debt to equity, I didn't and he knows now.
He still pins a lot of credence on this debt to equity issue, I don't and never have, i was more concerned he would not provide the transfer kitty, which in all fairness he has done and then some more.

Fair enough and Id rather the debt being cleared than promotion but I'm very happy.

here we go again, but paying himself the money he owes himself changes nothing, how do you see that as making us debt free, the same position we are in, whether VT controls us through debt or equity, the same position we are in.
If he pays himself the money he owes himself, will it make you feel any better, and if so, how?

It may sound like I'm joining in with your two favourite fans but I'm not, I don't have a reason to constantly slag you off or be little you as I dont know you personally nor have you done anything against me.

Is that the truth though? cause whole debt issue is rather confusing, I thought he loaned 1mil in the club each month with 7% interest? Well that's what I heard of this board anyhow.

The club only has a limited amount of assets, he has long since gone past being able to have any chance of using the clubs assets to pay back any debt.
The reason he has to lend the club money rather than invest is once he invest more and owns more shares, the he, rather than the football club become solely responsible for the Langston debt, and there in lies the big stumbling block.

I just wish Vt had settled with Sam when it looked likely, but in my opinion we are looking at two alpha powerful males who wont give either way and we are stuck between a rock and a hard place.

I'm sure VT (unless he got a deck of aces up his sleeve) wishes he had done so now, because Sam is in a stronger position now, because if or when we get promoted he can call the debt in, and the club either have to pay or go into admin, which they wont do if the Premiership is sitting there waiting, this is how I see it simplistically, may be way off the mark, but if anyone knows different, then discuss.

Either way, I just hope it gets sorted fairly and there are no losers, surely you don't have to have losers every time, why can't everyone be happy and everyone win.
I couldn't work or exist in this dog eat dog type of business world, just want happy endings.

Gwyn, you told us to ask Annis and yet I've quoted his claim to what you said in the meeting.

YEs he assumed that then until it was clarified to him, he assumed when I said about VT shafting us, he thought I meant regarding the debt to equity, I didn't and he knows now.
He still pins a lot of credence on this debt to equity issue, I don't and never have, i was more concerned he would not provide the transfer kitty, which in all fairness he has done and then some more.

Fair enough and Id rather the debt being cleared than promotion but I'm very happy.

here we go again, but paying himself the money he owes himself changes nothing, how do you see that as making us debt free, the same position we are in, whether VT controls us through debt or equity, the same position we are in.
If he pays himself the money he owes himself, will it make you feel any better, and if so, how?

It may sound like I'm joining in with your two favourite fans but I'm not, I don't have a reason to constantly slag you off or be little you as I dont know you personally nor have you done anything against me.

Is that the truth though? cause whole debt issue is rather confusing, I thought he loaned 1mil in the club each month with 7% interest? Well that's what I heard of this board anyhow.

The club only has a limited amount of assets, he has long since gone past being able to have any chance of using the clubs assets to pay back any debt.
The reason he has to lend the club money rather than invest is once he invest more and owns more shares, the he, rather than the football club become solely responsible for the Langston debt, and there in lies the big stumbling block.

I just wish Vt had settled with Sam when it looked likely, but in my opinion we are looking at two alpha powerful males who wont give either way and we are stuck between a rock and a hard place.

I'm sure VT (unless he got a deck of aces up his sleeve) wishes he had done so now, because Sam is in a stronger position now, because if or when we get promoted he can call the debt in, and the club either have to pay or go into admin, which they wont do if the Premiership is sitting there waiting, this is how I see it simplistically, may be way off the mark, but if anyone knows different, then discuss.

Either way, I just hope it gets sorted fairly and there are no losers, surely you don't have to have losers every time, why can't everyone be happy and everyone win.
I couldn't work or exist in this dog eat dog type of business world, just want happy endings.

Sounds like sam loves the club then.

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