What Is The Point Of The Welsh language?

They say you shouldn't tar everyone with the same brush but then I can only base my opinions on the people I have met. I have met Welsh speakers whilst out and about and I have worked with Welsh speakers from both North and West Wales. Almost without exception they treat non Welsh speakers with contempt. It felt as if they were looking down on us like second class citizens. Other people I know who go to these areas feel the same. It's like the land that time forgot and if you don't speak their lingo then they don't even want to acknowledge you exist. I have plenty of time for Welsh History but for Welsh speakers none at all.

By the way, Welsh is a core subject all the way up to GCSE's so it is taking up lessons that could be used for something meaningful. Believe it or not RE is another core subject whether you are religious or not....another waste of time. Maybe this is why other European country's education is better than ours.

Thats what i meant by 'options' Kids can drop Welsh when they choose their subjects for GCSE.

I hate to differ, but Welsh Medium schools have an excellent 'A' level pass rate, far better than
the old style 'comp'... many non-Welsh speaking families send their kids to 'Welsh Medium' schools
now. Very hard on the kids at first, but by the time they are 8-9 years old they are fluent and
their learning capacity had improved. Proven facts these are. Welsh Medium Education WORKS!!

Its not for everyone, and i can understand why.

but to mug it off as 'a waste' is basically, well.... ignorance. Because it WORKS

Thats what i meant by 'options' Kids can drop Welsh when they choose their subjects for GCSE.

No they can't. Maybe I didn't make it clear but it is a core subject up and including GCSE's. Obviously they don't have to sit the Welsh GCSE exam but have to take Welsh all the way up to that point. That is what I disagree with.

I have family in Welsh schools who are non-Welsh speakers. Yes they find it difficult and it is a better alternative than the local Council school which is shite. But not all Council schools are like that - my son's isn't. Anyway, maybe the reason the kids are better in the Welsh schools is because of S4C. I can just imagine the parents "Do you want to do your homework or watch S4C?". No choice is there

Thats what i meant by 'options' Kids can drop Welsh when they choose their subjects for GCSE.

No they can't. Maybe I didn't make it clear but it is a core subject up and including GCSE's. Obviously they don't have to sit the Welsh GCSE exam but have to take Welsh all the way up to that point. That is what I disagree with.

I have family in Welsh schools who are non-Welsh speakers. Yes they find it difficult and it is a better alternative than the local Council school which is shite. But not all Council schools are like that - my son's isn't. Anyway, maybe the reason the kids are better in the Welsh schools is because of S4C. I can just imagine the parents "Do you want to do your homework or watch S4C?". No choice is there

The Welsh Medium schools ARE local council schools? There's no privately funded Welsh Medium
schools? The reason these schools do FAR better is twofold. The teachers are more motivated to
teach, as many of them feel they are helping their language to thrive (which they are)..Also...
many of the kids who didnt start to speak Welsh until they were 5 0r 6 REALLY struggled at first
but being bi-lingual at such a young age is proven to be beneficial. Kids minds are opened up a
bit younger. Thats a big part of the reason European kids are so far ahead of many British ones.

Welsh Medium schools actually dont do MUCH better probably about the same if not slightly worse sorry. But you are right encouragin children to be bi-lingual does help to improve learning

Welsh Medium schools actually dont do MUCH better probably about the same if not slightly worse sorry. But you are right encouragin children to be bi-lingual does help to improve learning

Your wrong.

Statistically, on English and Maths, the English medium schools do better. The reasons are obvious.
Mathematics is a very difficult subject for second language Welsh speakers to get a grip of. But overall,
taking into account all the other core subjects and PARTICULARLY languages. The Welsh Medium schools
win hands down.

As you say though, some of the posters on here are so ignorant, calling Welsh speaking kids backward
and stupid...

These kids are speaking two languages by the time they are 6. Yeh, very backward and stupid

Given the right environment... the World is their oyster. Seriously!

Welsh Medium schools actually dont do MUCH better probably about the same if not slightly worse sorry. But you are right encouragin children to be bi-lingual does help to improve learning

Your wrong.

Statistically, on English and Maths, the English medium schools do better. The reasons are obvious.
Mathematics is a very difficult subject for second language Welsh speakers to get a grip of. But overall,
taking into account all the other core subjects and PARTICULARLY languages. The Welsh Medium schools
win hands down.

As you say though, some of the posters on here are so ignorant, calling Welsh speaking kids backward
and stupid...

These kids are speaking two languages by the time they are 6. Yeh, very backward and stupid

Given the right environment... the World is their oyster. Seriously!

When I sat my A-levels 3 years ago, Welsh schools certaintly weren't doing better in terms of results not completely sure on individual subjects but were quite far off the top english medium schools. However, I dont exactlly know how they fare recently so if they are doing better then fair enough.

I'm actually suprised about Maths though as its a universal language I wouldnt have thought that being taught in welsh would affect it.

Another gripe of mine which you can disagree with my on if you like is the amount of funding Welsh medium schools gain over English medium schools. I can speak from experience as the school I was at was massively under funded and we had to be taught most of our subjects in portacabins compared to Welsh schools such as Plasmawr which would get a new building every other week.

The standard of teaching in this country aswell as all over the UK is shocking when compared to other parts of the EU.

Welsh Medium schools actually dont do MUCH better probably about the same if not slightly worse sorry. But you are right encouragin children to be bi-lingual does help to improve learning

Your wrong.

Statistically, on English and Maths, the English medium schools do better. The reasons are obvious.
Mathematics is a very difficult subject for second language Welsh speakers to get a grip of. But overall,
taking into account all the other core subjects and PARTICULARLY languages. The Welsh Medium schools
win hands down.

As you say though, some of the posters on here are so ignorant, calling Welsh speaking kids backward
and stupid...

These kids are speaking two languages by the time they are 6. Yeh, very backward and stupid

Given the right environment... the World is their oyster. Seriously!

When I sat my A-levels 3 years ago, Welsh schools certaintly weren't doing better in terms of results not completely sure on individual subjects but were quite far off the top english medium schools. However, I dont exactlly know how they fare recently so if they are doing better then fair enough.

I'm actually suprised about Maths though as its a universal language I wouldnt have thought that being taught in welsh would affect it.

Another gripe of mine which you can disagree with my on if you like is the amount of funding Welsh medium schools gain over English medium schools. I can speak from experience as the school I was at was massively under funded and we had to be taught most of our subjects in portacabins compared to Welsh schools such as Plasmawr which would get a new building every other week.

The standard of teaching in this country aswell as all over the UK is shocking when compared to other parts of the EU.

Maths. How best can i explain this.

Maths is a language. Difficult for most to have it translated through English. Imagine having
it translated through a second language, Welsh. My nephews Dad is English and they don't speak
much Welsh at home, but they sent Jac to a Welsh Medium school. He's ok, his Welsh is pretty
strong. But he was totally and utterly lost for months trying to translate the Welsh into English
in his head.. and THEN... to translate whats been said into mathematical theory. If that makes
sense? I tried to help. But cant count He's on top of it now. Bright as f**k he is and
my English b*stard brother-in-law is learning Welsh too.. the things he'll do to get on my
mothers good side

Joke by the way, Paul is a diamond!!

Welsh Medium schools actually dont do MUCH better probably about the same if not slightly worse sorry. But you are right encouragin children to be bi-lingual does help to improve learning

Your wrong.

Statistically, on English and Maths, the English medium schools do better. The reasons are obvious.
Mathematics is a very difficult subject for second language Welsh speakers to get a grip of. But overall,
taking into account all the other core subjects and PARTICULARLY languages. The Welsh Medium schools
win hands down.

As you say though, some of the posters on here are so ignorant, calling Welsh speaking kids backward
and stupid...

These kids are speaking two languages by the time they are 6. Yeh, very backward and stupid

Given the right environment... the World is their oyster. Seriously!

When I sat my A-levels 3 years ago, Welsh schools certaintly weren't doing better in terms of results not completely sure on individual subjects but were quite far off the top english medium schools. However, I dont exactlly know how they fare recently so if they are doing better then fair enough.

I'm actually suprised about Maths though as its a universal language I wouldnt have thought that being taught in welsh would affect it.

Another gripe of mine which you can disagree with my on if you like is the amount of funding Welsh medium schools gain over English medium schools. I can speak from experience as the school I was at was massively under funded and we had to be taught most of our subjects in portacabins compared to Welsh schools such as Plasmawr which would get a new building every other week.

The standard of teaching in this country aswell as all over the UK is shocking when compared to other parts of the EU.

Maths. How best can i explain this.

Maths is a language. Difficult for most to have it translated through English. Imagine having
it translated through a second language, Welsh. My nephews Dad is English and they don't speak
much Welsh at home, but they sent Jac to a Welsh Medium school. He's ok, his Welsh is pretty
strong. But he was totally and utterly lost for months trying to translate the Welsh into English
in his head.. and THEN... to translate whats been said into mathematical theory. If that makes
sense? I tried to help. But cant count He's on top of it now. Bright as f**k he is and
my English b*stard brother-in-law is learning Welsh too.. the things he'll do to get on my
mothers good side

Joke by the way, Paul is a diamond!!

Thats good to hear. You are right it must be very difficult. And I am glad your brother in law is learning welsh it does my nut in when english speaking parents send their kids to welsh schools and wont learn the bloody language

Welsh Medium schools actually dont do MUCH better probably about the same if not slightly worse sorry. But you are right encouragin children to be bi-lingual does help to improve learning

Your wrong.

Statistically, on English and Maths, the English medium schools do better. The reasons are obvious.
Mathematics is a very difficult subject for second language Welsh speakers to get a grip of. But overall,
taking into account all the other core subjects and PARTICULARLY languages. The Welsh Medium schools
win hands down.

As you say though, some of the posters on here are so ignorant, calling Welsh speaking kids backward
and stupid...

These kids are speaking two languages by the time they are 6. Yeh, very backward and stupid

Given the right environment... the World is their oyster. Seriously!

When I sat my A-levels 3 years ago, Welsh schools certaintly weren't doing better in terms of results not completely sure on individual subjects but were quite far off the top english medium schools. However, I dont exactlly know how they fare recently so if they are doing better then fair enough.

I'm actually suprised about Maths though as its a universal language I wouldnt have thought that being taught in welsh would affect it.

Another gripe of mine which you can disagree with my on if you like is the amount of funding Welsh medium schools gain over English medium schools. I can speak from experience as the school I was at was massively under funded and we had to be taught most of our subjects in portacabins compared to Welsh schools such as Plasmawr which would get a new building every other week.

The standard of teaching in this country aswell as all over the UK is shocking when compared to other parts of the EU.

There seem to be a lot of incorrect post in this thread whether it's ignorance or just prejudice. All state schools Welsh or English medium are funded in the same way, through a formula set up by the local authority. The idea the Welsh medium schools receive more money is ridiculous. Possibly its just a case of better governors making better use of the money they get at Welsh schools if you think they get more money.
Just over a hundred years ago Welsh was spoken by the vast majority of our population. Further back it was the only language spoken in Wales. This has been taken away from 75% of the population through various ways. It is a miracle that the our language still survives to this day next door to our English conquerors who are a monolingual ignorant nation.

Rejoice that we live in a bilingual country that gives us the opportunity to look through two windows on the world, to enjoy two cultures and the literature, music and poetry of both languages.
As regards this thread...could you imagine the French asking 'what is the point of the French language!'

The worst one has to be the cash point machines asking you do you want the instructions in welsh ffs.
if we had a welsh currency then maybe

The worst one has to be the cash point machines asking you do you want the instructions in welsh ffs.
if we had a welsh currency then maybe

Terrible. Awful. Leave wales. I'll chip in!!

The worst one has to be the cash point machines asking you do you want the instructions in welsh ffs.
if we had a welsh currency then maybe

Is it that difficult to choose English?

The worst one has to be the cash point machines asking you do you want the instructions in welsh ffs.
if we had a welsh currency then maybe

Is it that difficult to choose English?

That depends if the question is asked in Welsh or not!

Wasn't long before Bluegog from the 1700s chipped in with his usual inane drivel regarding our neighbours. Pipe down for f**k sakes and stop your "We are the victims" attitude. I still can't believe you compared the Israel/Palestine situation to England an Wales!

Its a ridiculous thread this

I understand, I get it. There are some right ignorant Welsh speaking cunts
who think they are the 'true sons of Llewelyn'.. or whatever.. and they turn
their noses up at non Welsh speakers.

Then, you get the "f**k you and die" brigade, who despise the language.

both groups are f*cking idiots

Meanwhile, the majority of Welsh people (irrespective of language) KNOW that
the language is THE rallying cry, the fundamental reason that Wales ISNT part
of England today. So whether they speak it or not, they respect it.

Thank f**k for the majority eh

Wales is a fairly poor country and in some parts in dire need of better education and decent jobs. Get rid of plaid cymru and the nationalists and concentrate on better living standards etc.

How much extra does it cost for all the extra paper for a small business and god knows how much for a big business.

so in your opinion we should abandon supporting welsh language get rid of it and become english? because thats what you are saying, ffs we are welsh!

But are people any less Welsh if they don't speak the language? He has a point, at the moment there are other priorities all over the U.K. I do admire the people who stand up for their beliefs on this subject, but lets be practical eh?

Yes lets be practical.

There are 600,000 people in Wales that speak Welsh either fluently or passably.

Thats 600,000 people who obviously WANT the Welsh language to thrive.

But lets kill it off because a handful of silly cunts hate it.

WELSH is not a belief. Its a living breathing language, has been for centuries.

The English couldnt kill it off, so a few bitter 'alleged' Welsh people with a chip
on their shoulders aint gonna manage.

Are people any less Welsh if they dont speak the language... NO

Are people any less Welsh if they want dream of the day when our culture is no more
and we are just 'a bit of a mountainous area' West of Bristol. f**k aye. Disgrace.

The only way you can be less welsh is by migrating and becoming a citizen in the country they migrated to.
Not an opinion of a language.

The worst one has to be the cash point machines asking you do you want the instructions in welsh ffs.
if we had a welsh currency then maybe

Is it that difficult to choose English?

No, but i bet it was to reprogram the whole atm system in wales to accommodate this facility.
Im not against the welsh language i just think it should take the back seat and be more of a hobby than a neccessity

The worst one has to be the cash point machines asking you do you want the instructions in welsh ffs.
if we had a welsh currency then maybe

Is it that difficult to choose English?

No, but i bet it was to reprogram the whole atm system in wales to accommodate this facility.
Im not against the welsh language i just think it should take the back seat and be more of a hobby than a neccessity

thats a silly thing to say! its our identity and as such should be treated that way! not as a hobby?

The worst one has to be the cash point machines asking you do you want the instructions in welsh ffs.
if we had a welsh currency then maybe

Is it that difficult to choose English?

No, but i bet it was to reprogram the whole atm system in wales to accommodate this facility.
Im not against the welsh language i just think it should take the back seat and be more of a hobby than a neccessity

thats a silly thing to say! its our identity and as such should be treated that way! not as a hobby?

I wouldnt say its my identity. the language sounds likesomeone trying to speak with a mouthful of food. Its that old that it doesnt have any new words since before the industrial revolution. so it borrows from english there.
the point of welsh language is to form a secular group under the banner of nationalism.
nationalism is a scourge that divides people antagonistically.
we are humans first and welsh or whatever after that.
lets teach our kids to speak to all not just a few

Its a ridiculous thread this

I understand, I get it. There are some right ignorant Welsh speaking cunts
who think they are the 'true sons of Llewelyn'.. or whatever.. and they turn
their noses up at non Welsh speakers.

Then, you get the "f**k you and die" brigade, who despise the language.

both groups are f*cking idiots

Meanwhile, the majority of Welsh people (irrespective of language) KNOW that
the language is THE rallying cry, the fundamental reason that Wales ISNT part
of England today. So whether they speak it or not, they respect it.

Thank f**k for the majority eh

Well said.

The best thing is to try and not get dragged into these silly threads.

Plenty of ignorant posters around that just seem to want to get a reaction.

Its a ridiculous thread this

I understand, I get it. There are some right ignorant Welsh speaking cunts
who think they are the 'true sons of Llewelyn'.. or whatever.. and they turn
their noses up at non Welsh speakers.

Then, you get the "f**k you and die" brigade, who despise the language.

both groups are f*cking idiots

Meanwhile, the majority of Welsh people (irrespective of language) KNOW that
the language is THE rallying cry, the fundamental reason that Wales ISNT part
of England today. So whether they speak it or not, they respect it.

Thank f**k for the majority eh

Well said.

The best thing is to try and not get dragged into these silly threads.

Plenty of ignorant posters around that just seem to want to get a reaction.

yes agree said lots times in this thread its our identity, give it up and may aswell be english! time this thread was deleted!!!

Yawn. PapaPaedo/RM/Barry Fuckle etc = effeminate obsessed boring troll & Total Wanker

Yma o Hyd!

The amount of money spent on Welsh signs is tiny compared with the tax revenue raised in Wales, to say nothing of the billions generated by Welsh coal ,steel and water.

Welsh is the oldest living language in Europe. It has more similarities with more European languages than English and so a learner will find it easier to learn these other languages.

The English understood that we would be easier to control if they banned our language.

Many of our people suffered hardship and imprisonment to protect this important part of our culture
As a result we can now choose to speak our language in our own country, or choose to ignore it

Cenedl heb iaith
Cenedl heb galon

A nation without a language is a nation without a heart

Less people speaking it according to BBC news. spend money elsewhere

A nation without a language is a nation without a heart

A planet without a language is a planet without a heart then?
We are human beings first and categorised as welsh through being in a place on that planet.
One common language could make this planet far more peaceful because effective dispute resolution needs a clear communication medium.
All singing of the same hymn sheet so to speak?