joe allen -- team GB

I dont know how you can blame Ramsey entirely for the goal

Im not but he did give the ball away. Already admitted earlier on in the thread that hes only partly to blame as the defenders and keeper have responsibility too. Butlands positioning is terrible, looks very nervous for a keeper but he is young I suppose, will get better with age.

I dont know how you can blame Ramsey entirely for the goal

You can if you're a wum who won't back down when ruined I.e RM

If I thought he knew anything about football I'd attempt to have a more serious debate with him but it's more fun seeing what lies he comes up when he's squirming for a smart arse comment to make. Should be one on its way soon

I dont know how you can blame Ramsey entirely for the goal

Im not but he did give the ball away. Already admitted earlier on in the thread that hes only partly to blame as the defenders and keeper have responsibility too. Butlands positioning is terrible, looks very nervous for a keeper but he is young I suppose, will get better with age.

Please tell roath as I thnk even the euro crisis is ramseys fault in his twisted mind

I dont know how you can blame Ramsey entirely for the goal

You can if you're a wum who won't back down when ruined I.e RM

If I thought he knew anything about football I'd attempt to have a more serious debate with him but it's more fun seeing what lies he comes up when he's squirming for a smart arse comment to make. Should be one on its way soon

Ruined that screams of a man been ruined himself.

It is a fact Ramsey gave the ball away cheaply in which Senegal counter attacked directly fom and scored as a result.

Simple as that.

Last edited by RoathMagic on Fri Jul 27, 2012 1:37 am, edited 1 time in total.

I dont know how you can blame Ramsey entirely for the goal

Im not but he did give the ball away. Already admitted earlier on in the thread that hes only partly to blame as the defenders and keeper have responsibility too. Butlands positioning is terrible, looks very nervous for a keeper but he is young I suppose, will get better with age.

Wasnt aiming it at you just at Roathy. Yeah Butland didnt look as solid today as he did against Brazil but he is very talented. The only thing I will disagree on with you is thinking that Allen is better than Ramsey but Im just glad we have both of them for wales

I dont know how you can blame Ramsey entirely for the goal

You can if you're a wum who won't back down when ruined I.e RM

If I thought he knew anything about football I'd attempt to have a more serious debate with him but it's more fun seeing what lies he comes up when he's squirming for a smart arse comment to make. Should be one on its way soon

Ruined that screams of a man been ruined himself.

It is a fact Ramsey gave the ball away cheaply in which Senegal counter attacked and scored.

Simple as that.

No answer on the lie you posted as a quote then?
Please read other posts who disagree with you as I know it's only your stubborn pride that won't allow you to admit I've binned you

Last edited by Carpe Diem on Fri Jul 27, 2012 1:39 am, edited 1 time in total.

I dont know how you can blame Ramsey entirely for the goal

Im not but he did give the ball away. Already admitted earlier on in the thread that hes only partly to blame as the defenders and keeper have responsibility too. Butlands positioning is terrible, looks very nervous for a keeper but he is young I suppose, will get better with age.

Wasnt aiming it at you just at Roathy. Yeah Butland didnt look as solid today as he did against Brazil but he is very talented. The only thing I will disagree on with you is thinking that Allen is better than Ramsey but Im just glad we have both of them for wales

Looks good our future midfield to be honest. Bale, Rambo, Allen.

Collison can sod off though for scoring in the playoffs for WHU.

I dont know how you can blame Ramsey entirely for the goal

Im not but he did give the ball away. Already admitted earlier on in the thread that hes only partly to blame as the defenders and keeper have responsibility too. Butlands positioning is terrible, looks very nervous for a keeper but he is young I suppose, will get better with age.

Wasnt aiming it at you just at Roathy. Yeah Butland didnt look as solid today as he did against Brazil but he is very talented. The only thing I will disagree on with you is thinking that Allen is better than Ramsey but Im just glad we have both of them for wales

Looks good our future midfield to be honest. Bale, Rambo, Allen.

Collison can sod off though for scoring in the playoffs for WHU.

Haha yes our only problem is a striker

I dont know how you can blame Ramsey entirely for the goal

You can if you're a wum who won't back down when ruined I.e RM

If I thought he knew anything about football I'd attempt to have a more serious debate with him but it's more fun seeing what lies he comes up when he's squirming for a smart arse comment to make. Should be one on its way soon

Ruined that screams of a man been ruined himself.

It is a fact Ramsey gave the ball away cheaply in which Senegal counter attacked and scored.

Simple as that.

No answer on the lie you posted as a quote then?
Please read other posts who disagree with you as I know it's only your stubborn pride that won't allow you to admit I've binned you

There is nothing to disagree with. Ramsey gave away the ball, they countered and scored as a result. These are undeniable facts.

Lie I posted as a quote? I don't even know what that means let alone what you are talking about..l not or the first time.

I dont know how you can blame Ramsey entirely for the goal

You can if you're a wum who won't back down when ruined I.e RM

If I thought he knew anything about football I'd attempt to have a more serious debate with him but it's more fun seeing what lies he comes up when he's squirming for a smart arse comment to make. Should be one on its way soon

Ruined that screams of a man been ruined himself.

It is a fact Ramsey gave the ball away cheaply in which Senegal counter attacked and scored.

Simple as that.

No answer on the lie you posted as a quote then?
Please read other posts who disagree with you as I know it's only your stubborn pride that won't allow you to admit I've binned you

There is nothing to disagree with. Ramsey gave away the ball, they countered and scored as a result. These are undeniable facts.

Lie I posted as a quote? I don't even know what that means let alone what you are talking about..l not or the first time.

Roathy Im wondering if you have anything positive to say bout Cardiff at all

I dont know how you can blame Ramsey entirely for the goal

You can if you're a wum who won't back down when ruined I.e RM

If I thought he knew anything about football I'd attempt to have a more serious debate with him but it's more fun seeing what lies he comes up when he's squirming for a smart arse comment to make. Should be one on its way soon

Ruined that screams of a man been ruined himself.

It is a fact Ramsey gave the ball away cheaply in which Senegal counter attacked and scored.

Simple as that.

No answer on the lie you posted as a quote then?
Please read other posts who disagree with you as I know it's only your stubborn pride that won't allow you to admit I've binned you

There is nothing to disagree with. Ramsey gave away the ball, they countered and scored as a result. These are undeniable facts.

Lie I posted as a quote? I don't even know what that means let alone what you are talking about..l not or the first time.

Roathy Im wondering if you have anything positive to say bout Cardiff at all

When something positive happens, I'll comment. Although that has nothing to do with Cardiff. It's about team GB

You know nothing about football so how can you quote facts. More interested in the real thread now so bore off with your smilies. I countered your so called argument and you back tracked as normal. Fact.

And you couldn't care less about winning as you're a born loser.
How many words was all that?

The original debate was regarding who had the better game Allen or Ramsey.

I factually stated when the sub happened team GB had put themselves in a winning position.

I then factually stated it was Ramseys poor ball retention that caused the equaliser

I then factually stated alleys ball retention was excellent.....

You then countered that by saying "the defence should have got the ball back"

As for the rest of your frustrated tirade of abuse..... Whooooosh

Here you go, your lie is highlighted in red for you

So overall a good night. We've established that you're a liar, a hypocrite and are now officially called Chloe to represent you being my bitch. Oh and let's not forget you like to count the words in people's posts to see who has the most

Priceless!

Baby settled so I'll get some sleep. Let's do it again soon

PS I'll reply one more time if you want as I know you don't want to let me go

you purely blamed ramsey for the goal which i have proven to you was not correct.... it is end of discussion....

RoathMagic is right here. Ramsey did give the ball away sloppily and that led to the goal. Dont say it didn't because professionals even said so. Yes the defenders could have done better but should have never been in such a position in the first place. Its why ball retention is pivotal. Dont you know anything about tika taka?

Yes he did give it away, but if the defenders had defended it would have come to nothing. How can you have a go at Ramsey for being sloppy yet let's the defenders off with " the defenders could have done better".
Utter nonsense.

Too easy. Try again tomorrow

you purely blamed ramsey for the goal which i have proven to you was not correct.... it is end of discussion....

RoathMagic is right here. Ramsey did give the ball away sloppily and that led to the goal. Dont say it didn't because professionals even said so. Yes the defenders could have done better but should have never been in such a position in the first place. Its why ball retention is pivotal. Dont you know anything about tika taka?

Yes he did give it away, but if the defenders had defended it would have come to nothing. How can you have a go at Ramsey for being sloppy yet let's the defenders off with " the defenders could have done better".
Utter nonsense.

Too easy. Try again tomorrow

Err don't want to state the obvious but that's not what you posted in your quotation marks to represent a quote from me. Defenders defending can mean kicking it into touch or out for a corner, or even holding up the attack up until the team got more players behind the ball. You know nothing

You are looking very very silly now Chloe

It's called paraphrasing dear. You essentially said even though Ramsey gave the ball away it was the defenders fault because they didn't deal with the concise counter attack.

There in black and white.

Case dismissed.

It's called paraphrasing dear. You essentially said even though Ramsey gave the ball away it was the defenders fault because they didn't deal with the concise outer attack.

There in black and white.

Case dismissed.

Paraphrasing isn't changing what was said though is it? I never mentioned winning the ball back and just demonstrated why this wasnt necessary to stop the goal. But yes I'm laying blame with the defence.

You're not very bright and a compulsive liar. Case found in favour if me, the prosecution. Sentence to be decided. I'll let you know.

It's called paraphrasing dear. You essentially said even though Ramsey gave the ball away it was the defenders fault because they didn't deal with the concise counter attack.

There in black and white.

Case dismissed.

Goodnight Chloe. I'll pick up your next post of twisted lies in the am and reply if necessary.
Don't beat yourself up now, you were ruined by the better man

It's called paraphrasing dear. You essentially said even though Ramsey gave the ball away it was the defenders fault because they didn't deal with the concise outer attack.

There in black and white.

Case dismissed.

Paraphrasing isn't changing what was said though is it? I never mentioned winning the ball back and just demonstrated why this wasnt necessary to stop the goal. But yes I'm laying blame with the defence.

You're not very bright and a compulsive liar. Case found in favour if me, the prosecution. Sentence to be decided. I'll let you know.

Whether they won the ball back, kicked it out to touch, held the ball up is irrelevant to the point, which means paraphrasing is completely acceptable.

The fact is it was Ramseys misplaced pass that caused the attack which they scored from. To start blaming the defence goes into the what if territory as there is no guarantee they could have done anything. The cold hard fact is the only mistake which gave Senegal he opportunity to launch the attack lays firmly with Ramsey.

These are facts. You can try and refute them but you would simply be wrong.

Case dismissed.

Try again tomorrow, less insults this time, your guard is slipping, it's making you look angry and frustrated.

It's called paraphrasing dear. You essentially said even though Ramsey gave the ball away it was the defenders fault because they didn't deal with the concise outer attack.

There in black and white.

Case dismissed.

Paraphrasing isn't changing what was said though is it? I never mentioned winning the ball back and just demonstrated why this wasnt necessary to stop the goal. But yes I'm laying blame with the defence.

You're not very bright and a compulsive liar. Case found in favour if me, the prosecution. Sentence to be decided. I'll let you know.

Whether they won the ball back, kicked it out to touch, held the ball up is irrelevant to the point, which means paraphrasing is completely acceptable.

The fact is it was Ramseys misplaced pass that caused the attack which they scored from. To start blaming the defence goes into the what if territory as there is no guarantee they could have done anything. The cold hard fact is the only mistake which gave Senegal he opportunity to launch the attack lays firmly with Ramsey.

These are facts. You can try and refute them but you would simply be wrong.

Case dismissed.

Try again tomorrow, less insults this time, your guard is slipping, it's making you look angry and frustrated.

More nonsense from you? What insults do you mean? If its being called a liar then I'm afraid that sticks as its fact. You getting precious over anything else I've said? You sure it's me getting angry and frustrated? You wish. I think we know who's feeling that don't we Chloe? Please for me, one more word count....

Hey I reckon we are due to agree on something soon and then perhaps you won't have to lie? Until next time, chill. I'll be more gentle with you I promise.

You called me a liar, a loser, boring.... Thats just off the top of my head. I was careful not to quote unless I didn't get it word for word as I know how delicate you are due to the fact you don't undertand the meaning of paraphrasing.

All untrue of course which may or may not mirror those insults bck at you. But I wouldn't wish to name call.

Still posting then? I hope you give your child as much attention as you give me. Poor thing

You called me a liar, a loser, boring.... Thats just off the top of my head. I was careful not to quote unless I didn't get it word for word as I know how delicate you are due to the fact you don't undertand the meaning of paraphrasing.

All untrue of course which may or may not mirror those insults bck at you. But I wouldn't wish to name call.

Still posting then? I hope you give your child as much attention as you give me. Poor thing

She sleeps. Not major league insults are they but in the main true, especially the liar tag since I've witnessed it. Paraphrasing doesn't get you out of it I'm afraid and we both know you cocked up. If you manned up and said you got it wrong then I'd forgive you

Don't have nightmares fella, only some of the world is out to get you

Didn't get it wrong at all. You said it was the defences fault as they could have dealt with it (assumption) while downplaying the reason they had the counter attack was due to Ramseys error (fact). Slam dunk case unfortunately.

I'll refer you to my last post regarding you frustrated insults and suggest loosely that calling someone a liar when they clearly aren't not only mirrors te insult but also adds a touch of hypocrisy. Not pointing any fingers of course.

I'd like to know how many times you have gone to bed only to get back up to post in anger, that's a few times you have said you are leaving only to one back minutes later.

Log off and try again tomorrow. But agin less of the insults and mistruths next time, doesn't reflect well.

Didn't get it wrong at all. You said it was the defences fault as they could have dealt with it (assumption) while downplaying the reason they had the counter attack was due to Ramseys error (fact). Slam dunk case unfortunately.

I'll refer you to my last post regarding you frustrated insults and suggest loosely that calling someone a liar when they clearly aren't not only mirrors te insult but also adds a touch of hypocrisy. Not pointing any fingers of course.

I'd like to know how many times you have gone to bed only to get back up to post in anger, that's a few times you have said you are leaving only to one back minutes later.

Log off and try again tomorrow. But agin less of the insults and mistruths next time, doesn't reflect well.

Morning Chloe. Bet you felt better after unloading that load of nonsense. Apologies for not giving you a precise time when you can have the last word. Bless. Of course I don't expect you to agree that you're a liar as that would go against what you are! Try and keep up at the back

Calm down. Hope you had a good sleep and forgot all about your faux pas throughout this thread.

Calm down. Hope you had a good sleep and forgot all about your faux pas throughout this thread.

Never enough sleep it seems. Still squirming over your word counting gestures are you Chloe?
I enjoyed our spat last although I should have taken my foot off your throat a lot earlier. Felt like I was kicking a puppy in the end.
Enjoy your night. Can't wait to see what wum stuff you spout tonight. Try not to lie and make up your own quotes though as it does nothing for your already flimsy credibility

Later

Calm down. Hope you had a good sleep and forgot all about your faux pas throughout this thread.

Never enough sleep it seems. Still squirming over your word counting gestures are you Chloe?
I enjoyed our spat last although I should have taken my foot off your throat a lot earlier. Felt like I was kicking a puppy in the end.
Enjoy your night. Can't wait to see what wum stuff you spout tonight. Try not to lie and make up your own quotes though as it does nothing for your already flimsy credibility

Later

Still haven't looked up the meaning of paraphrasing then?

Classic retort of a man who feels inferior in debate though. And I'm not saying that to belittle you, it genuinelly is textbook.

Calm down. Hope you had a good sleep and forgot all about your faux pas throughout this thread.

Never enough sleep it seems. Still squirming over your word counting gestures are you Chloe?
I enjoyed our spat last although I should have taken my foot off your throat a lot earlier. Felt like I was kicking a puppy in the end.
Enjoy your night. Can't wait to see what wum stuff you spout tonight. Try not to lie and make up your own quotes though as it does nothing for your already flimsy credibility

Later

Still haven't looked up the meaning of paraphrasing then?

Classic retort of a man who feels inferior in debate though. And I'm not saying that to belittle you, it genuinelly is textbook.

Oh you're still struggling bless. It's ok I know all about paraphrasing and pretty sure it's never meant misquoting someone to try and sustain a lost argument. The idea is you keep the meaning which you didn't as it wasn't what you wanted to hear as it meant you admitting you were wrong and looked very foolish. Good try but failed miserably I'm afraid.
Old ground now and nothing new from last night so classic signs that its been eating you up all day

Calm down. Hope you had a good sleep and forgot all about your faux pas throughout this thread.

Never enough sleep it seems. Still squirming over your word counting gestures are you Chloe?
I enjoyed our spat last although I should have taken my foot off your throat a lot earlier. Felt like I was kicking a puppy in the end.
Enjoy your night. Can't wait to see what wum stuff you spout tonight. Try not to lie and make up your own quotes though as it does nothing for your already flimsy credibility

Later

Still haven't looked up the meaning of paraphrasing then?

Classic retort of a man who feels inferior in debate though. And I'm not saying that to belittle you, it genuinelly is textbook.

Oh you're still struggling bless. It's ok I know all about paraphrasing and pretty sure it's never meant misquoting someone to try and sustain a lost argument. The idea is you keep the meaning which you didn't as it wasn't what you wanted to hear as it meant you admitting you were wrong and looked very foolish. Good try but failed miserably I'm afraid.
Old ground now and nothing new from last night so classic signs that its been eating you up all day

Struggling with what? Those sort of replies are the ones I'm talking about.

Misquoting is taking something out of context,mparaphrasing is not using the exact words but same meaning. This was the case with us. You said it wasn't Ramseys fault because the defence could have dealt with it, I said you said it wasn't Ramseys fault becauase the defence should ave won the ball back. Both meanings have the same outcome and both are wrong however as both involve eradicating a fact with an assumption.

Calm down. Hope you had a good sleep and forgot all about your faux pas throughout this thread.

Never enough sleep it seems. Still squirming over your word counting gestures are you Chloe?
I enjoyed our spat last although I should have taken my foot off your throat a lot earlier. Felt like I was kicking a puppy in the end.
Enjoy your night. Can't wait to see what wum stuff you spout tonight. Try not to lie and make up your own quotes though as it does nothing for your already flimsy credibility

Later

Still haven't looked up the meaning of paraphrasing then?

Classic retort of a man who feels inferior in debate though. And I'm not saying that to belittle you, it genuinelly is textbook.

Oh you're still struggling bless. It's ok I know all about paraphrasing and pretty sure it's never meant misquoting someone to try and sustain a lost argument. The idea is you keep the meaning which you didn't as it wasn't what you wanted to hear as it meant you admitting you were wrong and looked very foolish. Good try but failed miserably I'm afraid.
Old ground now and nothing new from last night so classic signs that its been eating you up all day

Struggling with what? Those sort of replies are the ones I'm talking about.

Misquoting is taking something out of context,mparaphrasing is not using the exact words but same meaning. This was the case with us. You said it wasn't Ramseys fault because the defence could have dealt with it, I said you said it wasn't Ramseys fault becauase the defence should ave won the ball back. Both meanings have the same outcome and both are wrong however as both involve eradicating a fact with an assumption.

Oh Chloe remember you already lost this one. The following count as defending that would have resulted in the goal not happening as it did
1. Defender follows the runner as he should and shepherds him away from goal
2. Defender makes a foul, taking one for the team so to speak
3. Defender holds the play up by covering properly giving time for other players to get back
4. Defender makes a tackle and ball goes into touch
5. Defender makes a tackle and ball goes out for a corner

Which of the above mean you have to win the ball back to stop the goal?
Oh this should be good

QED, case dismissed, apology accepted

But winning the ball back makes no difference,. We are talking about stoping the goal. The pedantic nature of your reposts continue to back up what I'm suggesting you are doing.

Ramsey gave the ball away which gave Senegal thenportunoty to attack which they did astutely and concisely. You are speculating, being the key word, that the defenders could have done better. Yet the only fact we know is it was Ramseys error which gave them the attack.

Case dismissed.