when will the politicians close the gates to immigrants

Johnny spouting his "kids dont want to work" rubbish yet again.

I left school at 16, 5 gcses, no further education, started on 80k a week, I know earn close to 30k a year.

Most people who work in my factory done the same.

Weve just taken on 10 "Apprentices". All local kids. All 18-21. All on £100 a week to start off but they know the rewards are there if they work hard as approx 150 off our 250 workforce all started off at the bottom and got rewarded for hard work.

Some guys on the shopfloor earn minimum wage but theres plenty of overtime and some guys are putting in 72 hours a week. Are they workshy? No. Are some of them aged between 18-30 - most of them.

We employ one immigrant. Shes a good worker and speaks good English. In a workforce of 250. Yet locals dont want to work according to Jonny.


Jonny you have been shown up time and time again on this thread. You are a little boy who knows nothing about life.

you might want to start paying more attention to politics
time and time again i hear
i cant find a job
they get offered a job
then they say but i dont want to do that job because it doesnt pay enough or it interferes with my social life
those are facts theyve said it live on tv programmes and radio stations
they want success straight away and are not prepared to work for it

and know life just fine thank you very much
ive had to work for it
ima veteran
ive served my country
and now i work to keep a roof over my head and food on my table
and sometimes its harder than other days but crack on because you keep working and you will get your rewards

There's a small terraced house just by me which has 3 Polish families living in it. None of them have jobs or have ever worked in this country. Why should they? The benefits they get are more than what they'd get working full time back in Poland. I don't blame them, what they've done is a no brainer. Work your nuts off in Poland for peanuts or move to the UK and live on benefits and be better off.

It's absolute rubbish that these people are coming here to do the jobs we won't do. I know loads of people desperate to work and would do anything offered. One guy I know from Nelson went in to the Merthyr job centre and there were just 3 jobs there. THREE!!!! yet Merthyr is being turned into mini-Poland. Now if anyone believes that they are coming here for work then answer this one - Why then are they going to Merthyr? No offence to Merthyr but it's a shit hole and there are no jobs there. The simple fact of the matter is people are going to live in Merthyr to live on benefits. And to be fair it's probably easier to blend in with a life on benefits there.

Here's another question for those who've believed the governments bollux (both Labour and Tory). If you were Polish and you wanted to up sticks and move to another Euro country - why oh why choose Cefn shithole Hengoed or Merthyr Tydfil? I can think of a few nicer places. How about going to live on the Spanish benefits system? A nice little flat on Majorca would be nice. Or how about a nice little pad on the south of France? Whilst talking about France - why is it all these immigrants meet up in France before desperately trying to cross the channel to England? They are already in France and they've passed through several Euro countries to get that far. So why didn't they just visit their DHSS office whilst there in those countries? You've got to remember that Polish people are free to move to ANY Euro country. There are some lovely places in Europe and lets be perfectly honest here - if you were to write a list of the Nicest places to live in Europe, Merthyr would NOT be on it. The only answer is that it's only the UK that will dish out benefits to immigrants at the level they do. The other Euro countries are a bit more sensible with their tax payers money.

Spot-on Berwyn

But by Jonnys logic we should all renage on our mortgages, work for a pittance, and live 3 familys to a small house just because some impoverished cretin from another country is awilling to.

but why does this government have to provide quality of life for you
all the government needs to do is make sure you have the basics and thats it
it doesnt need to provide you cash to go to the pub with
or pay your season ticket for the football
or pay for your 2 weeks in the sun abroad for your holiday

your supposed to provide your own quality of life
if what youre earning does not provide the luxuries in life that you want then its up to you to improve and work up the ladder
the government is under no obligation to provide that for you

What the f**k are you on about?

Where have I said they should provide me with luxuries.

I work, I have plenty of disposable income, but why should my taxes pay for the deadbeats of another country?

Its galling enough taxes paying our own deadbeats, but other countries? You think thats fair?

And dont spout your "They are hardworking until they see the deadbeats next door getting benefits so they then become lazy themselves" bollocks. If that logic worked none of us would be working.

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Yes i did learn history thanks. Did we not liberate poland? Are 1 million british youth unemployed? Yes the poles are in the main hard working citizens, but lets not decry our british youth. To do so would be catastrophic for the future of our country.

Oh dear .... Lets deal with the facts No we didn't liberate Poland 'The Allies' did or more to a point the Soviets -Hence why Poland became a Communist state after . Having a Million unemployed youths is nothing new at all, we have just that sort of level under Labour with a growing Economy of 6 % and this was before labour allowed the EU A8 to enter our Country/Work force

Come back to me when you get your facts right and some sort of decent grasp of History and Politics

What the f**k are you on about?

Where have I said they should provide me with luxuries.

I work, I have plenty of disposable income, but why should my taxes pay for the deadbeats of another country?

Its galling enough taxes paying our own deadbeats, but other countries? You think thats fair?

And dont spout your "They are hardworking until they see the deadbeats next door getting benefits so they then become lazy themselves" bollocks. If that logic worked none of us would be working.

Spot on post yet again .

Johnny spouting his "kids dont want to work" rubbish yet again.

I left school at 16, 5 gcses, no further education, started on 80k a week, I know earn close to 30k a year.

Most people who work in my factory done the same.

Weve just taken on 10 "Apprentices". All local kids. All 18-21. All on £100 a week to start off but they know the rewards are there if they work hard as approx 150 off our 250 workforce all started off at the bottom and got rewarded for hard work.

Some guys on the shopfloor earn minimum wage but theres plenty of overtime and some guys are putting in 72 hours a week. Are they workshy? No. Are some of them aged between 18-30 - most of them.

We employ one immigrant. Shes a good worker and speaks good English. In a workforce of 250. Yet locals dont want to work according to Jonny.


Jonny you have been shown up time and time again on this thread. You are a little boy who knows nothing about life.

you might want to start paying more attention to politics
time and time again i hear
i cant find a job
they get offered a job
then they say but i dont want to do that job because it doesnt pay enough or it interferes with my social life
those are facts theyve said it live on tv programmes and radio stations
they want success straight away and are not prepared to work for it

and know life just fine thank you very much
ive had to work for it
ima veteran
ive served my country
and now i work to keep a roof over my head and food on my table
and sometimes its harder than other days but crack on because you keep working and you will get your rewards

Why do I need to listen to politicians sputing their PC crap when I have first hand experience of everything youve just said about the young not wanting work being utter bollocks?

Any programme can be edited to how the documentary wants to be portrayed. The way you are going on the only hard workers in this country are immigrants.

I wish youd f**k off back to the navy and drown you soppy little c**t.

There's a small terraced house just by me which has 3 Polish families living in it. None of them have jobs or have ever worked in this country. Why should they? The benefits they get are more than what they'd get working full time back in Poland. I don't blame them, what they've done is a no brainer. Work your nuts off in Poland for peanuts or move to the UK and live on benefits and be better off.

It's absolute rubbish that these people are coming here to do the jobs we won't do. I know loads of people desperate to work and would do anything offered. One guy I know from Nelson went in to the Merthyr job centre and there were just 3 jobs there. THREE!!!! yet Merthyr is being turned into mini-Poland. Now if anyone believes that they are coming here for work then answer this one - Why then are they going to Merthyr? No offence to Merthyr but it's a shit hole and there are no jobs there. The simple fact of the matter is people are going to live in Merthyr to live on benefits. And to be fair it's probably easier to blend in with a life on benefits there.

Here's another question for those who've believed the governments bollux (both Labour and Tory). If you were Polish and you wanted to up sticks and move to another Euro country - why oh why choose Cefn shithole Hengoed or Merthyr Tydfil? I can think of a few nicer places. How about going to live on the Spanish benefits system? A nice little flat on Majorca would be nice. Or how about a nice little pad on the south of France? Whilst talking about France - why is it all these immigrants meet up in France before desperately trying to cross the channel to England? They are already in France and they've passed through several Euro countries to get that far. So why didn't they just visit their DHSS office whilst there in those countries? You've got to remember that Polish people are free to move to ANY Euro country. There are some lovely places in Europe and lets be perfectly honest here - if you were to write a list of the Nicest places to live in Europe, Merthyr would NOT be on it. The only answer is that it's only the UK that will dish out benefits to immigrants at the level they do. The other Euro countries are a bit more sensible with their tax payers money.

Spot-on Berwyn

But by Jonnys logic we should all renage on our mortgages, work for a pittance, and live 3 familys to a small house just because some impoverished cretin from another country is awilling to.

but why does this government have to provide quality of life for you
all the government needs to do is make sure you have the basics and thats it
it doesnt need to provide you cash to go to the pub with
or pay your season ticket for the football
or pay for your 2 weeks in the sun abroad for your holiday

your supposed to provide your own quality of life
if what youre earning does not provide the luxuries in life that you want then its up to you to improve and work up the ladder
the government is under no obligation to provide that for you

What the f**k are you on about?

Where have I said they should provide me with luxuries.

I work, I have plenty of disposable income, but why should my taxes pay for the deadbeats of another country?

Its galling enough taxes paying our own deadbeats, but other countries? You think thats fair?

And dont spout your "They are hardworking until they see the deadbeats next door getting benefits so they then become lazy themselves" bollocks. If that logic worked none of us would be working.

but you did say it you said why should we work for a pittance because someone else is willing to
thats exactly why people will find themselves without work because they are not prepared to make sacrifices
why should your taxes pay for the deadbeats from this country
this country needs to sort itself out
the basic fact you can earn more money on benefits than the average salary in this country is disgusting
but if thats what this country is offering you cant blame people for taking up the offer

There's a small terraced house just by me which has 3 Polish families living in it. None of them have jobs or have ever worked in this country. Why should they? The benefits they get are more than what they'd get working full time back in Poland. I don't blame them, what they've done is a no brainer. Work your nuts off in Poland for peanuts or move to the UK and live on benefits and be better off.

It's absolute rubbish that these people are coming here to do the jobs we won't do. I know loads of people desperate to work and would do anything offered. One guy I know from Nelson went in to the Merthyr job centre and there were just 3 jobs there. THREE!!!! yet Merthyr is being turned into mini-Poland. Now if anyone believes that they are coming here for work then answer this one - Why then are they going to Merthyr? No offence to Merthyr but it's a shit hole and there are no jobs there. The simple fact of the matter is people are going to live in Merthyr to live on benefits. And to be fair it's probably easier to blend in with a life on benefits there.

Here's another question for those who've believed the governments bollux (both Labour and Tory). If you were Polish and you wanted to up sticks and move to another Euro country - why oh why choose Cefn shithole Hengoed or Merthyr Tydfil? I can think of a few nicer places. How about going to live on the Spanish benefits system? A nice little flat on Majorca would be nice. Or how about a nice little pad on the south of France? Whilst talking about France - why is it all these immigrants meet up in France before desperately trying to cross the channel to England? They are already in France and they've passed through several Euro countries to get that far. So why didn't they just visit their DHSS office whilst there in those countries? You've got to remember that Polish people are free to move to ANY Euro country. There are some lovely places in Europe and lets be perfectly honest here - if you were to write a list of the Nicest places to live in Europe, Merthyr would NOT be on it. The only answer is that it's only the UK that will dish out benefits to immigrants at the level they do. The other Euro countries are a bit more sensible with their tax payers money.

Spot-on Berwyn

But by Jonnys logic we should all renage on our mortgages, work for a pittance, and live 3 familys to a small house just because some impoverished cretin from another country is awilling to.

but why does this government have to provide quality of life for you
all the government needs to do is make sure you have the basics and thats it
it doesnt need to provide you cash to go to the pub with
or pay your season ticket for the football
or pay for your 2 weeks in the sun abroad for your holiday

your supposed to provide your own quality of life
if what youre earning does not provide the luxuries in life that you want then its up to you to improve and work up the ladder
the government is under no obligation to provide that for you

What the f**k are you on about?

Where have I said they should provide me with luxuries.

I work, I have plenty of disposable income, but why should my taxes pay for the deadbeats of another country?

Its galling enough taxes paying our own deadbeats, but other countries? You think thats fair?

And dont spout your "They are hardworking until they see the deadbeats next door getting benefits so they then become lazy themselves" bollocks. If that logic worked none of us would be working.

but you did say it you said why should we work for a pittance because someone else is willing to
thats exactly why people will find themselves without work because they are not prepared to make sacrifices
why should your taxes pay for the deadbeats from this country
this country needs to sort itself out
the basic fact you can earn more money on benefits than the average salary in this country is disgusting
but if thats what this country is offering you cant blame people for taking up the offer

Correct. I said we have a quality of life, provided by "OURSELVES" that shouldnt then be put in jeopardy because some peasants are willing to live 3 familys to a small house?


As for the deadbeats, the locals are "scum" for taking the benefits, but you "cant blam" the immigrants?

Hmmmmmm. More contradiction from Proffesor Muddled.

Johnny spouting his "kids dont want to work" rubbish yet again.

I left school at 16, 5 gcses, no further education, started on 80k a week, I know earn close to 30k a year.

Most people who work in my factory done the same.

Weve just taken on 10 "Apprentices". All local kids. All 18-21. All on £100 a week to start off but they know the rewards are there if they work hard as approx 150 off our 250 workforce all started off at the bottom and got rewarded for hard work.

Some guys on the shopfloor earn minimum wage but theres plenty of overtime and some guys are putting in 72 hours a week. Are they workshy? No. Are some of them aged between 18-30 - most of them.

We employ one immigrant. Shes a good worker and speaks good English. In a workforce of 250. Yet locals dont want to work according to Jonny.


Jonny you have been shown up time and time again on this thread. You are a little boy who knows nothing about life.

you might want to start paying more attention to politics
time and time again i hear
i cant find a job
they get offered a job
then they say but i dont want to do that job because it doesnt pay enough or it interferes with my social life
those are facts theyve said it live on tv programmes and radio stations
they want success straight away and are not prepared to work for it

and know life just fine thank you very much
ive had to work for it
ima veteran
ive served my country
and now i work to keep a roof over my head and food on my table
and sometimes its harder than other days but crack on because you keep working and you will get your rewards

Why do I need to listen to politicians sputing their PC crap when I have first hand experience of everything youve just said about the young not wanting work being utter bollocks?

Any programme can be edited to how the documentary wants to be portrayed. The way you are going on the only hard workers in this country are immigrants.

I wish youd f**k off back to the navy and drown you soppy little c**t.

programmes i listen to are live so editing would be difficult

facts remain

people in this country dont want to work and its contagious and this government feeds the disease by providing extortionate amount of benefits

wish i could go back to the Navy and drowning would be an honour in the service of my country

Johnny spouting his "kids dont want to work" rubbish yet again.

I left school at 16, 5 gcses, no further education, started on 80k a week, I know earn close to 30k a year.

Most people who work in my factory done the same.

Weve just taken on 10 "Apprentices". All local kids. All 18-21. All on £100 a week to start off but they know the rewards are there if they work hard as approx 150 off our 250 workforce all started off at the bottom and got rewarded for hard work.

Some guys on the shopfloor earn minimum wage but theres plenty of overtime and some guys are putting in 72 hours a week. Are they workshy? No. Are some of them aged between 18-30 - most of them.

We employ one immigrant. Shes a good worker and speaks good English. In a workforce of 250. Yet locals dont want to work according to Jonny.


Jonny you have been shown up time and time again on this thread. You are a little boy who knows nothing about life.

you might want to start paying more attention to politics
time and time again i hear
i cant find a job
they get offered a job
then they say but i dont want to do that job because it doesnt pay enough or it interferes with my social life
those are facts theyve said it live on tv programmes and radio stations
they want success straight away and are not prepared to work for it

and know life just fine thank you very much
ive had to work for it
ima veteran
ive served my country
and now i work to keep a roof over my head and food on my table
and sometimes its harder than other days but crack on because you keep working and you will get your rewards

Why do I need to listen to politicians sputing their PC crap when I have first hand experience of everything youve just said about the young not wanting work being utter bollocks?

Any programme can be edited to how the documentary wants to be portrayed. The way you are going on the only hard workers in this country are immigrants.

I wish youd f**k off back to the navy and drown you soppy little c**t.

programmes i listen to are live so editing would be difficult

facts remain

people in this country dont want to work and its contagious and this government feeds the disease by providing extortionate amount of benefits

wish i could go back to the Navy and drowning would be an honour in the service of my country

So everyones telling the truth on Newsnight and such like

And your FACTS have been dispelled by my company alone.

There's a small terraced house just by me which has 3 Polish families living in it. None of them have jobs or have ever worked in this country. Why should they? The benefits they get are more than what they'd get working full time back in Poland. I don't blame them, what they've done is a no brainer. Work your nuts off in Poland for peanuts or move to the UK and live on benefits and be better off.

It's absolute rubbish that these people are coming here to do the jobs we won't do. I know loads of people desperate to work and would do anything offered. One guy I know from Nelson went in to the Merthyr job centre and there were just 3 jobs there. THREE!!!! yet Merthyr is being turned into mini-Poland. Now if anyone believes that they are coming here for work then answer this one - Why then are they going to Merthyr? No offence to Merthyr but it's a shit hole and there are no jobs there. The simple fact of the matter is people are going to live in Merthyr to live on benefits. And to be fair it's probably easier to blend in with a life on benefits there.

Here's another question for those who've believed the governments bollux (both Labour and Tory). If you were Polish and you wanted to up sticks and move to another Euro country - why oh why choose Cefn shithole Hengoed or Merthyr Tydfil? I can think of a few nicer places. How about going to live on the Spanish benefits system? A nice little flat on Majorca would be nice. Or how about a nice little pad on the south of France? Whilst talking about France - why is it all these immigrants meet up in France before desperately trying to cross the channel to England? They are already in France and they've passed through several Euro countries to get that far. So why didn't they just visit their DHSS office whilst there in those countries? You've got to remember that Polish people are free to move to ANY Euro country. There are some lovely places in Europe and lets be perfectly honest here - if you were to write a list of the Nicest places to live in Europe, Merthyr would NOT be on it. The only answer is that it's only the UK that will dish out benefits to immigrants at the level they do. The other Euro countries are a bit more sensible with their tax payers money.

Spot-on Berwyn

But by Jonnys logic we should all renage on our mortgages, work for a pittance, and live 3 familys to a small house just because some impoverished cretin from another country is awilling to.

but why does this government have to provide quality of life for you
all the government needs to do is make sure you have the basics and thats it
it doesnt need to provide you cash to go to the pub with
or pay your season ticket for the football
or pay for your 2 weeks in the sun abroad for your holiday

your supposed to provide your own quality of life
if what youre earning does not provide the luxuries in life that you want then its up to you to improve and work up the ladder
the government is under no obligation to provide that for you

What the f**k are you on about?

Where have I said they should provide me with luxuries.

I work, I have plenty of disposable income, but why should my taxes pay for the deadbeats of another country?

Its galling enough taxes paying our own deadbeats, but other countries? You think thats fair?

And dont spout your "They are hardworking until they see the deadbeats next door getting benefits so they then become lazy themselves" bollocks. If that logic worked none of us would be working.

but you did say it you said why should we work for a pittance because someone else is willing to
thats exactly why people will find themselves without work because they are not prepared to make sacrifices
why should your taxes pay for the deadbeats from this country
this country needs to sort itself out
the basic fact you can earn more money on benefits than the average salary in this country is disgusting
but if thats what this country is offering you cant blame people for taking up the offer

Correct. I said we have a quality of life, provided by "OURSELVES" that shouldnt then be put in jeopardy because some peasants are willing to live 3 familys to a small house?


As for the deadbeats, the locals are "scum" for taking the benefits, but you "cant blam" the immigrants?

Hmmmmmm. More contradiction from Proffesor Muddled.

because thats how it works if you have to work harder so be it to maintain your lifestyle its not a god given right
if someone is willing to work for less
you need to step up your game

Johnny spouting his "kids dont want to work" rubbish yet again.

I left school at 16, 5 gcses, no further education, started on 80k a week, I know earn close to 30k a year.

Most people who work in my factory done the same.

Weve just taken on 10 "Apprentices". All local kids. All 18-21. All on £100 a week to start off but they know the rewards are there if they work hard as approx 150 off our 250 workforce all started off at the bottom and got rewarded for hard work.

Some guys on the shopfloor earn minimum wage but theres plenty of overtime and some guys are putting in 72 hours a week. Are they workshy? No. Are some of them aged between 18-30 - most of them.

We employ one immigrant. Shes a good worker and speaks good English. In a workforce of 250. Yet locals dont want to work according to Jonny.


Jonny you have been shown up time and time again on this thread. You are a little boy who knows nothing about life.

you might want to start paying more attention to politics
time and time again i hear
i cant find a job
they get offered a job
then they say but i dont want to do that job because it doesnt pay enough or it interferes with my social life
those are facts theyve said it live on tv programmes and radio stations
they want success straight away and are not prepared to work for it

and know life just fine thank you very much
ive had to work for it
ima veteran
ive served my country
and now i work to keep a roof over my head and food on my table
and sometimes its harder than other days but crack on because you keep working and you will get your rewards

Why do I need to listen to politicians sputing their PC crap when I have first hand experience of everything youve just said about the young not wanting work being utter bollocks?

Any programme can be edited to how the documentary wants to be portrayed. The way you are going on the only hard workers in this country are immigrants.

I wish youd f**k off back to the navy and drown you soppy little c**t.

programmes i listen to are live so editing would be difficult

facts remain

people in this country dont want to work and its contagious and this government feeds the disease by providing extortionate amount of benefits

wish i could go back to the Navy and drowning would be an honour in the service of my country

So everyones telling the truth on Newsnight and such like

And your FACTS have been dispelled by my company alone.

well they give their version of the truth
and then you listen to other versions
all are based on the same facts
its called a debate
fact is their are jobs in this country
but the jobs on offer
people dont want to do

Jonny you need a simple lesson in economics little boy.

No wonder your family business is going up the shitter.

Jonny please qualify why local deadbeats who take advantage of the flawed benefits system are "Scum" but immigrants who take advantage of them "cannot be blamed".

You still have not answered?

Jonny please qualify why local deadbeats who take advantage of the flawed benefits system are "Scum" but immigrants who take advantage of them "cannot be blamed".

You still have not answered?

because quite frankly if its acceptable not to work in this country
why is not acceptable for immigrants to take advantage of the same system
why should they have to slug their guts out when the native population cant be bothered
and this government keeps letting them in and keeps letting its population not work
cheating the benefit system is a British disease and you cant blame others for taking advantage of it when they see the native population taking more money than they earn for doing f**k all

Jonny you need a simple lesson in economics little boy.

No wonder your family business is going up the shitter.

and who says my family business is going up the shitter
like every business in this country we are falling on hard times
but we are still here we still operate we still make money

Yes i did learn history thanks. Did we not liberate poland? Are 1 million british youth unemployed? Yes the poles are in the main hard working citizens, but lets not decry our british youth. To do so would be catastrophic for the future of our country.

Oh dear .... Lets deal with the facts No we didn't liberate Poland 'The Allies' did or more to a point the Soviets -Hence why Poland became a Communist state after . Having a Million unemployed youths is nothing new at all, we have just that sort of level under Labour with a growing Economy of 6 % and this was before labour allowed the EU A8 to enter our Country/Work force

Come back to me when you get your facts right and some sort of decent grasp of History and Politics

So we did not in any way help poland after germany invaded? We were not a major part of the "allies"? We did not declare war after the german invasion of poland? This country played no part in the liberation of poland? No british soldier lost a life because of or after the german invasion of poland? Did the soviets declare war after germany invaded poland?.... Your total disregard to our fallen soldiers is as bad as your attitude towards our youth.

when will the politicians close the gates to immigrants When one goes and lives next door to them

Yes i did learn history thanks. Did we not liberate poland? Are 1 million british youth unemployed? Yes the poles are in the main hard working citizens, but lets not decry our british youth. To do so would be catastrophic for the future of our country.

Oh dear .... Lets deal with the facts No we didn't liberate Poland 'The Allies' did or more to a point the Soviets -Hence why Poland became a Communist state after . Having a Million unemployed youths is nothing new at all, we have just that sort of level under Labour with a growing Economy of 6 % and this was before labour allowed the EU A8 to enter our Country/Work force

Come back to me when you get your facts right and some sort of decent grasp of History and Politics

We declared war on germany after it refused to end Its occupation of poland.FACT. Almost 400.000 british soldiers lost lives.FACT. Many more were injured in battle. FACT. Youth unemployent is at its highest since records began.FACT. You are a moron. FACT.

The amount of regurgitated 'Daily Mail' rhetoric is unbearable, "coming over here, stealing our jobs" and so on.

THIS ISN'T HAPPENING.

Immigration does, shock horror, have positive effects. Such as allowing the low paid blue collar workforce to increase in size and efficiency. These (legal) immigrants, are not "stealing", but filling the jobs that many people would never consider. On the contrary, the high-skilled immigrants benefit the economy hugely and ironically create jobs.

Did you ever imagine that they simply possess a higher work-ethic and more qualifications than you? Being born in the UK does nor render you superior to those who immigrate legally. If a job becomes available, you are free to apply. If you are unsuccessful, it usually means that a more compatible candidate has been found. Nationality is an irrelevence.

The cliche argument against immigrants using the benefit system is a further fallacy. Obviously there are immingrants who have failed to find employment and are consequntly on 'jobseekers'. However, the majority of people on benefits are British nationals, and these are usually the people who complain about immigration. Furthermore, the majority of legal immigrants are in full or part-time employment.

Essentially, the UK has always attracted workers from abroad. Whether they are prospective doctors, or prospective shelf-stackers, jobs are not being "stolen" from British citizens. There is simply greater competiton and consequently a higher standard of worker, which should be encouraged if progression is desired.

We should abandon the immigration fallacy, as it simply stems from recession and ignorance. Please, ignore 'The Daily Heil'.

The amount of regurgitated 'Daily Mail' rhetoric is unbearable, "coming over here, stealing our jobs" and so on.

THIS ISN'T HAPPENING.

Immigration does, shock horror, have positive effects. Such as allowing the low paid blue collar workforce to increase in size and efficiency. These (legal) immigrants, are not "stealing", but filling the jobs that many people would never consider. On the contrary, the high-skilled immigrants benefit the economy hugely and ironically create jobs.

Did you ever imagine that they simply possess a higher work-ethic and more qualifications than you? Being born in the UK does nor render you superior to those who immigrate legally. If a job becomes available, you are free to apply. If you are unsuccessful, it usually means that a more compatible candidate has been found. Nationality is an irrelevence.

The cliche argument against immigrants using the benefit system is a further fallacy. Obviously there are immingrants who have failed to find employment and are consequntly on 'jobseekers'. However, the majority of people on benefits are British nationals, and these are usually the people who complain about immigration. Furthermore, the majority of legal immigrants are in full or part-time employment.

Essentially, the UK has always attracted workers from abroad. Whether they are prospective doctors, or prospective shelf-stackers, jobs are not being "stolen" from British citizens. There is simply greater competiton and consequently a higher standard of worker, which should be encouraged if progression is desired.

We should abandon the immigration fallacy, as it simply stems from recession and ignorance. Please, ignore 'The Daily Heil'.

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So we did not in any way help poland after germany invaded? We were not a major part of the "allies"? We did not declare war after the german invasion of poland? This country played no part in the liberation of poland? No british soldier lost a life because of or after the german invasion of poland? Did the soviets declare war after germany invaded poland?.... Your total disregard to our fallen soldiers is as bad as your attitude towards our youth.

Nice sad pathetic try to twist . I

And since you're so seen very keen to reminds us about Great Britain part in History and World affairs . Please remind me of the country that invented the slave trade and started imagination has we known in the 1st place ?

So we did not in any way help poland after germany invaded? We were not a major part of the "allies"? We did not declare war after the german invasion of poland? This country played no part in the liberation of poland? No british soldier lost a life because of or after the german invasion of poland? Did the soviets declare war after germany invaded poland?.... Your total disregard to our fallen soldiers is as bad as your attitude towards our youth.

Nice sad pathetic try to twist . I

And since you're so seen very keen to reminds us about Great Britain part in History and World affairs . Please remind me of the country that invented the slave trade and started imagination has we known in the 1st place ?

To be fair Britain didn't invent slaves. And I'm pretty sure that the whole of Western Europe was part of the trade but I agree with what you're getting at.

Jonny please qualify why local deadbeats who take advantage of the flawed benefits system are "Scum" but immigrants who take advantage of them "cannot be blamed".

You still have not answered?

because quite frankly if its acceptable not to work in this country
why is not acceptable for immigrants to take advantage of the same system
why should they have to slug their guts out when the native population cant be bothered
and this government keeps letting them in and keeps letting its population not work
cheating the benefit system is a British disease and you cant blame others for taking advantage of it when they see the native population taking more money than they earn for doing f**k all

So the whole of this country cannot be bothered to work More untruths from Proffesor Muddled

You moan about people generalising about immigrants when you are doing the exact same thing about the British workforce.

You still didnt answer the question and swerved around it but I wasnt expecting anything else tbh.

Anyway im out, Im bored of picking holes in your pathetic and contradictive argument. Feel free to have the last word you utter bore.

So we did not in any way help poland after germany invaded? We were not a major part of the "allies"? We did not declare war after the german invasion of poland? This country played no part in the liberation of poland? No british soldier lost a life because of or after the german invasion of poland? Did the soviets declare war after germany invaded poland?.... Your total disregard to our fallen soldiers is as bad as your attitude towards our youth.

Nice sad pathetic try to twist . I

And since you're so seen very keen to reminds us about Great Britain part in History and World affairs . Please remind me of the country that invented the slave trade and started imagination has we known in the 1st place ?

Dont change the subject. Did this country help poland after the german invasion? Did thousands of our soldiers die in the process? Did we declare war on germany before russia? Mabye your a little confused. For trying to deny the ultimate sacrafices of this nation in the help given to countries like poland its the only defence i can offer you.

Jonny please qualify why local deadbeats who take advantage of the flawed benefits system are "Scum" but immigrants who take advantage of them "cannot be blamed".

You still have not answered?

because quite frankly if its acceptable not to work in this country
why is not acceptable for immigrants to take advantage of the same system
why should they have to slug their guts out when the native population cant be bothered
and this government keeps letting them in and keeps letting its population not work
cheating the benefit system is a British disease and you cant blame others for taking advantage of it when they see the native population taking more money than they earn for doing f**k all

So the whole of this country cannot be bothered to work More untruths from Proffesor Muddled

You moan about people generalising about immigrants when you are doing the exact same thing about the British workforce.

You still didnt answer the question and swerved around it but I wasnt expecting anything else tbh.

Anyway im out, Im bored of picking holes in your pathetic and contradictive argument. Feel free to have the last word you utter bore.

no i answered your question
to my opinion
if you dont like it fine
if you dont agree with my opinion fine
the only issue with you is you cannot debate your way out of a paper bag
you just resort to name calling
and how am i generalising about the british workforce
and if i am how do you justify generalising the situation of immigration
its a proven fact that there are people in this country who would rather be on benefits than work because they think its their god given right to do so, and its nothing new there are whole families and generations who have never worked a day in their lives
its a proven fact that people are not willing to do entry level work
welcome to the country we have created
where the British citizen considers him/herself vastly superior than anybody else
people have asked me where are the jobs ive proven where they are with a simple internet search
people have asked me why are so many immigrants on benefits ive given in my opinion the reason
people have asked why dont we stop immigration ive given in my opinion the reason
ive given my reasons on why i look down on the work shy in this country
ive given my reasons on why though i dont agree with immigrants in this country not working and using our benefits system i understand why they do and i dont agree with the 'one rule for one another rule for an other'
i still believe that blaming immigrants on our failings in this society is an excuse and clouds the real issues this country has

can i ask how old you are mate
not having a go
but im 27

I'm 30 and left school with just 5 GCSE's and went straight into the Factory work has an service boy getting £80 a week and worked my way up . Sadly most of the Factory that would employ people like me at school age are no longer there with the likes of Panasonic, Hitachi , Sony all pulling out .

That's a huge problem for our youngest today[/quote

yes factory closures are always a problem
but a bigger problem
how many people these days do you know who will start working for £80 a week like you did
i left school with 11 GCSE's and joined the Navy
money wasnt great when i started but you keep working hard and get promoted you start earning more
its how it works something kids these days dont understand

Jonny, are you seriously telling us that you left school with 11 GCSE's?

I'm not being funny mate but you've got the reading age of a 12 year old. In fact going back a few months I thought you were 12.

Who marked your exam papers? Your mother?

Oh, and I've I've emailed the EU and told them they no longer need to give aid to Merthyr any more because it's not really one of the poorest towns in Europe. It's all a lie, there's shit loads of jobs there really and their belief that it's got one of the highest rates of unemployment in the developed world is also wide of the mark. I told them Jonny said. Perhaps that's why all those Polish people are pouring in there. You've not been posting on any Polish job sites have you?

I've got to go now, my sides can't take any more.

can i ask how old you are mate
not having a go
but im 27

I'm 30 and left school with just 5 GCSE's and went straight into the Factory work has an service boy getting £80 a week and worked my way up . Sadly most of the Factory that would employ people like me at school age are no longer there with the likes of Panasonic, Hitachi , Sony all pulling out .

That's a huge problem for our youngest today[/quote

yes factory closures are always a problem
but a bigger problem
how many people these days do you know who will start working for £80 a week like you did
i left school with 11 GCSE's and joined the Navy
money wasnt great when i started but you keep working hard and get promoted you start earning more
its how it works something kids these days dont understand

Jonny, are you seriously telling us that you left school with 11 GCSE's?

I'm not being funny mate but you've got the reading age of a 12 year old. In fact going back a few months I thought you were 12.

Who marked your exam papers? Your mother?

Oh, and I've I've emailed the EU and told them they no longer need to give aid to Merthyr any more because it's not really one of the poorest towns in Europe. It's all a lie, there's shit loads of jobs there really and their belief that it's got one of the highest rates of unemployment in the developed world is also wide of the mark. I told them Jonny said. Perhaps that's why all those Polish people are pouring in there. You've not been posting on any Polish job sites have you?

I've got to go now, my sides can't take any more.

and you manage to be able to judge my reading age how?
i dont see you sitting next to me
just another example of another idiot who cant debate me and resorts to name calling to get their final say
i never said anything about EU funding but you asked to show you proof of jobs in Merthyr Tydfil I found 250 jobs with a click of a button its not hard

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