WHY CARDIFF AND NOT SWANSEA?

Sorry, my mistake. I read travel agent, but thought estate agent. An optical illusion brought on no doubt by the fact that you'd been selling yourself as some kind of expert on the blackwood housing market.

Talking of blackwood..



Another typical day on blackwood high street.

what part of swansea are you from?

Sorry, my mistake. I read travel agent, but thought estate agent. An optical illusion brought on no doubt by the fact that you'd been selling yourself as some kind of expert on the blackwood housing market.

Talking of blackwood..



Another typical day on blackwood high street.

what part of swansea are you from?

I was born and raised down the gower. Only moved to swansea proper 10yrs ago. Why are you interested in where I'm from?

It's not much of a debate, neighbour, it has to be said.

I'm 46 years old.

The start of this thread referred to Swansea players' wives and girlfriends shopping in Cardiff, rather than Swansea. I would much rather do the same - not because I dislike Swansea, as such, but due to the fact that Cardiff has more to offer.

I see many people from Swansea travel to Cardiff on a daily basis to shop there.

Anything else you want me to clarify?

Yes, you accused me of jumping to conclusions. I'm still awaiting an example. Ta

Lots of them. Assuming I was young and didn't have a choice about my move was one.

Do I have to spell everything out for you, or can you use your own initiative a little?

Come on now, administrationdaps, make an effort.

My initial feeling was that you were at least my age, if not older. It was only when you suggested that i'd been jumping to conclusions that I began to question that fact. As it turns out, my original assumption was quite correct. To be fair you are far more coherent, and eloquent in dialogue than most of the retarded fuckwits on here, and so I'm guessing that it was for this very reason that led me to believe you were no youngster. However, going back to the original point I made.. You were old enough to make the decision to up sticks, and move away from Cardiff all those years ago, and to Neath of all places. Now forgive me for prying, as there might well be a very personal reason for you reaching the decision that you did, but the point i'm making is it goes against everything that you've said about Cardiff. You were born there, you obviously still have fond memory's of the place, you commute every day there for work, and yet you still choose to live in Neath, a small town on the outskirts of Swansea. Do you get my point?

Work dictated such and now, with the kids being all born and bred here and settled, I'll probably never move back.

Life is very cruel sometimes.

It's not much of a debate, neighbour, it has to be said.

I'm 46 years old.

The start of this thread referred to Swansea players' wives and girlfriends shopping in Cardiff, rather than Swansea. I would much rather do the same - not because I dislike Swansea, as such, but due to the fact that Cardiff has more to offer.

I see many people from Swansea travel to Cardiff on a daily basis to shop there.

Anything else you want me to clarify?

Yes, you accused me of jumping to conclusions. I'm still awaiting an example. Ta

Lots of them. Assuming I was young and didn't have a choice about my move was one.

Do I have to spell everything out for you, or can you use your own initiative a little?

Come on now, administrationdaps, make an effort.

My initial feeling was that you were at least my age, if not older. It was only when you suggested that i'd been jumping to conclusions that I began to question that fact. As it turns out, my original assumption was quite correct. To be fair you are far more coherent, and eloquent in dialogue than most of the retarded fuckwits on here, and so I'm guessing that it was for this very reason that led me to believe you were no youngster. However, going back to the original point I made.. You were old enough to make the decision to up sticks, and move away from Cardiff all those years ago, and to Neath of all places. Now forgive me for prying, as there might well be a very personal reason for you reaching the decision that you did, but the point i'm making is it goes against everything that you've said about Cardiff. You were born there, you obviously still have fond memory's of the place, you commute every day there for work, and yet you still choose to live in Neath, a small town on the outskirts of Swansea. Do you get my point?

Work dictated such and now, with the kids being all born and bred here and settled, I'll probably never move back.

Life is very cruel sometimes.

Don't be too down on yourself there fella. Neath's not such a bad place. Doesn't have quite the majestic beauty of swansea, but there are far worse places to raise a family. Tonyrefail and blackwood spring immediately to mind.

I was born and raised down the gower. Only moved to swansea proper 10yrs ago. Why are you interested in where I'm from?

just curious is all.

one thing though, you say "swansea proper" is that u finally admitting the gowers not part of swansea

I was born and raised down the gower. Only moved to swansea proper 10yrs ago. Why are you interested in where I'm from?

just curious is all.

one thing though, you say "swansea proper" is that u finally admitting the gowers not part of swansea

Of course its not part of Swansea, It would make Swansea almost the same area a in size as Birmingham and four times bigger than Reading!!

Is this you Murphy from Tonyrefail?

no wrong fella sonny

You're awfully quiet this evening Murphy. Not full of your usual boisterous bravado. I've not offended you in some way have I?

no, theres more to life then this forum. now if all you can do is upload stupid photos, i have obviously won our debate. its been a great thread, i actually find you lot quite funny seeing you bite on here. keep it up

I was born and raised down the gower. Only moved to swansea proper 10yrs ago. Why are you interested in where I'm from?

just curious is all.

one thing though, you say "swansea proper" is that u finally admitting the gowers not part of swansea

Of course its not part of Swansea, It would make Swansea almost the same area a in size as Birmingham and four times bigger than Reading!!

one thing though, you say "swansea proper" is that u finally admitting the gowers not part of swansea

No, it simply means that I moved from one part of Swansea to another part of Swansea, and that other part happened to be closer to the city centre. Stop clutching at straws!

Of course its not part of Swansea, It would make Swansea almost the same area a in size as Birmingham and four times bigger than Reading!!

If you can tell me why the my old (partial)address is not part of Swansea then good on you..

Penclawdd,
Swansea, <<<<<<<< Look, it's the word Swansea. There's a clue for you!!!!
W.Glam.

Why are you people still seriously disputing this?

I was born and raised down the gower. Only moved to swansea proper 10yrs ago. Why are you interested in where I'm from?

just curious is all.

one thing though, you say "swansea proper" is that u finally admitting the gowers not part of swansea

Of course its not part of Swansea, It would make Swansea almost the same area a in size as Birmingham and four times bigger than Reading!!

one thing though, you say "swansea proper" is that u finally admitting the gowers not part of swansea

No, it simply means that I moved from one part of Swansea to another part of Swansea, and that other part happened to be closer to the city centre. Stop clutching at straws!

Of course its not part of Swansea, It would make Swansea almost the same area a in size as Birmingham and four times bigger than Reading!!

If you can tell me why the my old (partial)address is not part of Swansea then good on you..

Penclawdd,
Swansea, <<<<<<<< Look, it's the word Swansea. There's a clue for you!!!!
W.Glam.

Why are you people still seriously disputing this?

I have lived in Morriston for the last 25 years and even people in Swansea don't class the Gower as part of the City. It is not an urban area and not part of a City. You are the one clutching at straws.

The Gower is not part of the City, end of! It only has a Swansea address /post code. There is nowhere big enough to be given it's own postal address (like Llanelli for instance) so it is given a Swansea postal address. Much the same as Bridgend being given a Cardiff post code, but it is big enough to be recognised in its own right. You are a fool fella if you believe in your own hype! Swansea is not the fourth biggest City (AREA WISE )in the UK!!

Is this you Murphy from Tonyrefail?

no wrong fella sonny

You're awfully quiet this evening Murphy. Not full of your usual boisterous bravado. I've not offended you in some way have I?

no, theres more to life then this forum. now if all you can do is upload stupid photos, i have obviously won our debate. its been a great thread, i actually find you lot quite funny seeing you bite on here. keep it up

Sorry Murph. Didn't realise you had taken any active part in the debate. Throwing foul-mouthed insults isn't technically part of the debating process i'm afraid.

P.s, which one is you? The one on the left, the one on the right, or the one in the background with the shit-smeared face?

I was born and raised down the gower. Only moved to swansea proper 10yrs ago. Why are you interested in where I'm from?

just curious is all.

one thing though, you say "swansea proper" is that u finally admitting the gowers not part of swansea

The gower is not part of swansea.. it's a peninsula you f*cking idiot where do you think its part of the irish channel

I was born and raised down the gower. Only moved to swansea proper 10yrs ago. Why are you interested in where I'm from?

just curious is all.

one thing though, you say "swansea proper" is that u finally admitting the gowers not part of swansea

The gower is not part of swansea.. it's a peninsula you f*cking idiot where do you think its part of the irish channel

It's a peninsula close to Swansea. It is not part of the City. Are you thick?

I was born and raised down the gower. Only moved to swansea proper 10yrs ago. Why are you interested in where I'm from?

just curious is all.

one thing though, you say "swansea proper" is that u finally admitting the gowers not part of swansea

The gower is not part of swansea.. it's a peninsula you f*cking idiot where do you think its part of the irish channel

"is that you finally admitting the gowers not part of swansea" <--- what part of that gave you the impression that i thought the gower was part of swansea? and you call me an idiot/retard

weve been saying all along that the gower is not part of swansea and i know what a peninsula is. its your inbred friends that are saying otherwise but thanks for clarifying for us. good to know one of you speaks the truth. even if you are a f*cking idiot.

I was born and raised down the gower. Only moved to swansea proper 10yrs ago. Why are you interested in where I'm from?

just curious is all.

one thing though, you say "swansea proper" is that u finally admitting the gowers not part of swansea

Of course its not part of Swansea, It would make Swansea almost the same area a in size as Birmingham and four times bigger than Reading!!

one thing though, you say "swansea proper" is that u finally admitting the gowers not part of swansea

No, it simply means that I moved from one part of Swansea to another part of Swansea, and that other part happened to be closer to the city centre. Stop clutching at straws!

Of course its not part of Swansea, It would make Swansea almost the same area a in size as Birmingham and four times bigger than Reading!!

If you can tell me why the my old (partial)address is not part of Swansea then good on you..

Penclawdd,
Swansea, <<<<<<<< Look, it's the word Swansea. There's a clue for you!!!!
W.Glam.

Why are you people still seriously disputing this?

I have lived in Morriston for the last 25 years and even people in Swansea don't class the Gower as part of the City. It is not an urban area and not part of a City. You are the one clutching at straws.

The Gower is not part of the City, end of! It only has a Swansea address /post code. There is nowhere big enough to be given it's own postal address (like Llanelli for instance) so it is given a Swansea postal address. Much the same as Bridgend being given a Cardiff post code, but it is big enough to be recognised in its own right. You are a fool fella if you believe in your own hype! Swansea is not the fourth biggest City (AREA WISE )in the UK!!

So is it Neath, or is it Morriston? I smell a billy bull-shitter in the house. I'm still not getting through to you am I? It's about more than just a post code. Not only is every single address on the gower part of the city and county of Swansea, but in every other aspect as well. Think about it.. The street lighting is payed for by Swansea council, the bins are collected by Swansea council, the car parks are managed by Swansea council, the policing is managed by Swansea central, the residents pay their council tax to Swansea council, and the gower makes up one of 3 electoral regions that are part of Swansea council. The others being Swansea East, and Swansea West. Etc, etc, etc... Swansea and the gower are inherently the same place, and are an intrinsic part of one another. I know it must be desperately dissapointing for you to have to accept that Swansea has it's nice bits, but c'mon, this is getting silly. Man up and admit it.
P.s, what is a Cardiff fan doing residing in our fair city? It can't be that bad if you've lived here for 25yrs!

I was born and raised down the gower. Only moved to swansea proper 10yrs ago. Why are you interested in where I'm from?

just curious is all.

one thing though, you say "swansea proper" is that u finally admitting the gowers not part of swansea

Of course its not part of Sw

So is it Neath, or is it Morriston? I smell a billy bull-shitter in the house. I'm still not getting through to you am I? It's about more than just a post code. Not only is every single address on the gower part of the city and county of Swansea, but in every other aspect as well. Think about it.. The street lighting is payed for by Swansea council, the bins are collected by Swansea council, the car parks are managed by Swansea council, the policing is managed by Swansea central, the residents pay their council tax to Swansea council, and the gower makes up one of 3 electoral regions that are part of Swansea council. The others being Swansea East, and Swansea West. Etc, etc, etc... Swansea and the gower are inherently the same place, and are an intrinsic part of one another. I know it must be desperately dissapointing for you to have to accept that Swansea has it's nice bits, but c'mon, this is getting silly. Man up and admit it.
P.s, what is a Cardiff fan doing residing in our fair city? It can't be that bad if you've lived here for 25yrs!

I lived there for reasons that are my business not yours. As for the bullshitting, ask Recco and Jack64 (AKA Garyjack) that post on here.who have known me for many years.
I also have friends living in Scurlage and Newton and they say they live on the Gower. If you tell them they lived in Swansea they deny it.

I also have friends living in Scurlage and Newton and they say they live on the Gower. If you tell them they lived in Swansea they deny it.

I was born and raised down the gower. Only moved to swansea proper 10yrs ago. Why are you interested in where I'm from?

just curious is all.

one thing though, you say "swansea proper" is that u finally admitting the gowers not part of swansea

The gower is not part of swansea.. it's a peninsula you f*cking idiot where do you think its part of the irish channel

"is that you finally admitting the gowers not part of swansea" <--- what part of that gave you the impression that i thought the gower was part of swansea? and you call me an idiot/retard

weve been saying all along that the gower is not part of swansea and i know what a peninsula is. its your inbred friends that are saying otherwise but thanks for clarifying for us. good to know one of you speaks the truth. even if you are a f*cking idiot. [/quote

"is that you finally admitting the gowers not part of swansea" <--- what part of that gave you the impression that i thought the gower was part of swansea? and you call me an idiot/retard

Why are you quoting and replying to your own posts?

Why are you quoting and replying to your own posts?

why are you quoting and replying to posts on a cardiff city forum?

I lived there for reasons that are my business not yours. As for the bullshitting, ask Recco and Jack64 (AKA Garyjack) that post on here.who have known me for many years.
I also have friends living in Scurlage and Newton and they say they live on the Gower. If you tell them they lived in Swansea they deny it.

Thats fair enough. Your business is your own, but you said "I lived there" past tense. So you no longer live in Morriston? Make your mind up. Do you live in our fair city or not? No need to ask Reeco or Garyjack, I'll take your word for it. Although I'm beggining to think your word should be taken with a pinch of salt.

As for your mucca's who live down the gower.. I suspect they're just trying to sound posh!

Why are you quoting and replying to your own posts?

why are you quoting and replying to posts on a cardiff city forum?

Because I can, and to keep you all in line.

I also have friends living in Scurlage and Newton and they say they live on the Gower. If you tell them they lived in Swansea they deny it.

I also have friends living in Scurlage and Newton and they say they live on the Gower. If you tell them they lived in Swansea they deny it.

Thanks for the contribution of a single smiley face NEATHBLUES. How very insightful of you.

Take away the city center and your so called bay,and cardiff is no more then swansea,,yes u have better shops,,but you get more investment so off course u got a better shopping center,,as for people from swansea going ther,,many of your trailer trash allso come here,so where u are going with that f**k nows.And best of all many of u slag us off and say how stunning cardiff is,yet many of u live in what has to be the bog of wales,the rhondda,,and let's face it every town ther is a shit hole with no better future then f*cking Kabul,so to take the pis out of swansea when the vast majority of your fans are real thick backward cunts is nothing more then grasping at straws,,and by the way?why do u seem to think we are gypos?please don't repy with twin town,,,as if u do then is star wars real? do realy think that captain kirk and spok realy are out ther bowldly going Where no man as gone before? ??

how the f can you take away the very essence of a city and then try and compare it to your hovel? shall we take away central LONDON from LONDON? take the gothic area away from barca, take away clifton from bristol?? ffs...why dont you take away the castle grounds from us, the park that stretches all those miles up to Coryton, take away all the northern suburbs too, phuck it take the rivers that flow thru our fine city too....what a clown you are swansealad. i pity your bitterness. you live in a dump and you are all notorious for dressing like tramps, live with it.

Is this you Murphy from Tonyrefail?

no wrong fella sonny

You're awfully quiet this evening Murphy. Not full of your usual boisterous bravado. I've not offended you in some way have I?

no, theres more to life then this forum. now if all you can do is upload stupid photos, i have obviously won our debate. its been a great thread, i actually find you lot quite funny seeing you bite on here. keep it up

now that is classic swansea if ever i saw it....like your banjo's down there and we have all heard you do a fair bit of squeeling in the past..... cant believe you are still ranting on about the gower being swansea.....

Is this you Murphy from Tonyrefail?

no wrong fella sonny

You're awfully quiet this evening Murphy. Not full of your usual boisterous bravado. I've not offended you in some way have I?

no, theres more to life then this forum. now if all you can do is upload stupid photos, i have obviously won our debate. its been a great thread, i actually find you lot quite funny seeing you bite on here. keep it up

now that is classic swansea if ever i saw it....like your banjo's down there and we have all heard you do a fair bit of squeeling in the past..... cant believe you are still ranting on about the gower being swansea.....

Please try to keep up goats. We've already established that the person in the photo is Murphy, the local yokel from Tonyrefail.

I was born and raised down the gower. Only moved to swansea proper 10yrs ago. Why are you interested in where I'm from?

just curious is all.

one thing though, you say "swansea proper" is that u finally admitting the gowers not part of swansea

The gower is not part of swansea.. it's a peninsula you f*cking idiot where do you think its part of the irish channel

It's a peninsula close to Swansea. It is not part of the City. Are you thick?

do you know what a peninsula is, and no it's not to help people with diabetes

Is this you Murphy from Tonyrefail?

no wrong fella sonny

You're awfully quiet this evening Murphy. Not full of your usual boisterous bravado. I've not offended you in some way have I?

no, theres more to life then this forum. now if all you can do is upload stupid photos, i have obviously won our debate. its been a great thread, i actually find you lot quite funny seeing you bite on here. keep it up

now that is classic swansea if ever i saw it....like your banjo's down there and we have all heard you do a fair bit of squeeling in the past..... cant believe you are still ranting on about the gower being swansea.....

you lot really have hit the bottom of the barrell.. all you have left are insults about gower not being part of swansea. pathetic Haha hilarious

I was born and raised down the gower. Only moved to swansea proper 10yrs ago. Why are you interested in where I'm from?

just curious is all.

one thing though, you say "swansea proper" is that u finally admitting the gowers not part of swansea

The gower is not part of swansea.. it's a peninsula you f*cking idiot where do you think its part of the irish channel

It's a peninsula close to Swansea. It is not part of the City. Are you thick?

do you know what a peninsula is, and no it's not to help people with diabetes

and obviously its not part of the city its in the f*cking countryside you cretin.

you still aint getting it are you. thick as f**k

even wickipedia has a grim view on swansea town..



VICTORIAN SLUMS AND REFORM

In order to allow boats to dock without running aground at low tide and to remain afloat, the "Float" was constructed: the Tawe was diverted and a new dock with locks created. Work began in 1852, and the result was New Dock in 1859. Further changes to the docks were proposed, and the town authorities realised the potential grave effect on public health, particular in the riverside St Thomas area.[11] Drinking water came from springs locally but clean water sources were increasingly rare. Cholera broke out in 1832; and again in 1849.[11]
There was no sewerage system in Swansea until 1857[11] and the water supply in areas above the reservoir level was "in many cases of a questionable character" (contemporary report quoted by Dean[11]). The Lliw reservoir of 1863 helped provide clean water, but drainage of dirty water was still a problem.[11]
In 1865 Swansea suffered an epidemic of yellow fever, the only outbreak of that disease on the British mainland. A cargo of copper ore from Cuba was landed in exceptionally hot weather in September, and with it a number of infected mosquitoes. In a month, 27 inhabitants were infected and 15 died.
Swansea saw yet another outbreak of cholera in 1866 and the local authorities were eventually forced by legislation to act. The only way to improve some areas was wholesale slum clearance, and this was the solution imposed in several regions of Swansea, notably Greenhill (current Dyfatty and Alexandra Road area), an area with massive overcrowding and consequent disproportionate incidence of cholera cases. It was populated largely by Irish travelling immigrants, many of whom had fled the potato famines. Several of the landlords of Greenhill making great profits from their rents, and who required recompense for the loss of their properties, were local dignitaries, including Lewis Llewelyn Dillwyn, MP. (Dean)
Sewage and pollution were also part of the cause of the decline of the oyster trade centred on Mumbles, also known as Oystermouth. Kilvert's diary described a thriving and ancient industry in 1872; within five years, it had almost completely collapsed.

[edit INDUSTRIAL DECLINE.


The construction of the Taff Vale Railway and the Bute West Dock in the 1840s resulted in Cardiff surpassing Swansea as the principal coal port in South Wales, and by 1871 Cardiff's population exceeded that of Swansea. In the late 19th century, Swansea copper smelters faced increased foreign competition, and some of the leading smelters in the region diversified into other non-ferrous metals. In the ferrous sector, rapid growth in demand for tinplate - particularly in the USA - facilitated a local boom; the imposition of the McKinley Tariff in 1891 caused a significant fall in production, but tinplate continued to be a significant local economic activity into the first half of the 20th century,[12] with demand buoyant during the two world wars.
During the second world war, Swansea's Queen's Dock was one end of the world's first test of a full-scale submarine oil pipeline, in Operation Pluto. Swansea was a target for Nazi German bombing raids due to its industries, the port, and railways. By the end of the so-called Three Nights' Blitz, three consecutive nights of particularly intensive bombing in February 1941, the town centre was flattened, along with many residential streets. Rebuilding post-war was in typical British nineteen-fifties style and much of the result is regarded with high favour by neither residents nor visitors. One consequence of the bombing and rebuilding is the movement of the town centre by about half a mile. Pre-war, the town centre was on an axis around High Street and Wind Street. Post-war, Oxford Street and the new road the Kingsway took more prominence.[13]
The Mumbles Railway was closed in 1960. By 1960, industry in the valley was in steep decline and the landscape was littered with abandoned metalworks and the waste from them. The Lower Swansea Valley Scheme was started: an attempt to reclaim the polluted land into something usable. The Enterprise Zone at Llansamlet is built on part of this land. Further down the river, the Tawe was diverted—again—and the Parc Tawe development sits on top of the old North Dock. The old South Dock area now holds the Leisure Centre and Marina.