Well done Millwall

I just don’t understand why the need to boo taking the knee unless there are racist undertones?

By all means disagree with the action but why boo ? Just ignore the action.

Plenty of people disagree with similar actions such as a minutes silence for the death of some figures or even war commémorations but they don’t boo the action.

I personally don’t have a problem with players taking the knee, but nor do I think players should be shamed into it. If they feel strongly for it then do it and we should let them show that support for their colleagues.

Just one final point. If anyone seriously thinks that there isn’t a racism problem at Millwall FC in particular then we really do have a problem ! Most fans in the UK would have put money in this happening at either Millwall or Leeds and anyone denying that needs to educate themselves about some of their fan groups.

you see it as similar to a minutes silence...and rememberance sunday ?

Only in that It is a public acknowledgment of a cause. For many, not as impactful, but the point is that those opposed to such recognition don’t boo.

I just think it’s completely unnecessary to boo any such public actions. If you don’t like it, ignore it, turn your back on it, etc.

As for Millwall, it had to be them didn’t it ? Racism is endemic in some of their supporters groups, like it or not it’s there.

Well done to QPR who will now take the knee in support of anti-racism just because they are playing Millwall. They previously didn’t take the knee but recognise the need to take a stand after the Millwall “protest”.

yes well done on making this a p155ing competition instead of having a good look and listening to what issues people have.... and maybe stopping things that are divisive....

this shouting people down , pressuring people to conform even when they have genuine concerns and mob rule runs right through history... and its never good...

Where am I making this a competition ?

I'm the one arguing for tolerance but it seems tolerance only goes one way in your world.

We ain't going to agree on this and that's fine. But don't misrepresent what I've said. Read it, ignore it if you like, but don't tell me what I've said when I clearly haven't !!

your remark ..well done QPR.. its just ignoring what happened and the reasoning behind what happened.
the reaction to other peoples issues and concerns by poking them in the eye is in no way good and by no means tolerant..

Perhaps if they just took the knee without the raised fist pump black power it would not draw a reaction

Perhaps if they just ran around the pitch doing what they’re obscenely well paid to do?

Funny how we're 5 pages in and no one has actually said that players don't take the knee for the blm movement as the FA has incorporated it into their own anti discrimination schemes and the millwall players have said they aren't doing it politically.

I'm sure the usual people will be here desperately trying to justify that it is terribly evil so they don't have to actually listen to the message.

Josh grow up you big fanny perhaps you are surrounded by racists and Nazis the rest of us aren't.
thick as dogshit

You ok hun? You seem to be a bit angry recently Xxx

Won’t last long once the fans are back.. and if some players walk, then they should tell the club beforehand. At least we can get the game on..

I just don’t understand why the need to boo taking the knee unless there are racist undertones?

By all means disagree with the action but why boo ? Just ignore the action.

Plenty of people disagree with similar actions such as a minutes silence for the death of some figures or even war commémorations but they don’t boo the action.

I personally don’t have a problem with players taking the knee, but nor do I think players should be shamed into it. If they feel strongly for it then do it and we should let them show that support for their colleagues.

Just one final point. If anyone seriously thinks that there isn’t a racism problem at Millwall FC in particular then we really do have a problem ! Most fans in the UK would have put money in this happening at either Millwall or Leeds and anyone denying that needs to educate themselves about some of their fan groups.

you see it as similar to a minutes silence...and rememberance sunday ?

Only in that It is a public acknowledgment of a cause. For many, not as impactful, but the point is that those opposed to such recognition don’t boo.

I just think it’s completely unnecessary to boo any such public actions. If you don’t like it, ignore it, turn your back on it, etc.

As for Millwall, it had to be them didn’t it ? Racism is endemic in some of their supporters groups, like it or not it’s there.

Well done to QPR who will now take the knee in support of anti-racism just because they are playing Millwall. They previously didn’t take the knee but recognise the need to take a stand after the Millwall “protest”.

yes well done on making this a p155ing competition instead of having a good look and listening to what issues people have.... and maybe stopping things that are divisive....

this shouting people down , pressuring people to conform even when they have genuine concerns and mob rule runs right through history... and its never good...

Where am I making this a competition ?

I'm the one arguing for tolerance but it seems tolerance only goes one way in your world.

We ain't going to agree on this and that's fine. But don't misrepresent what I've said. Read it, ignore it if you like, but don't tell me what I've said when I clearly haven't !!

your remark ..well done QPR.. its just ignoring what happened and the reasoning behind what happened.
the reaction to other peoples issues and concerns by poking them in the eye is in no way good and by no means tolerant..

Well done QPR for exercising discretion and their right to express opinion. Also well done for not just taking the knee automatically at every game to support BLM but only when they feel the need to show support.

As for the “poking in the eye” comment I really don’t understand your point given that it’s your opinion that you want to stop the taking of the knee when that is merely an expression of free speech? As I said, if we don’t like it we can ignore it.

JOCK

I agree getting worse bbc sky all on the bandwagon
i was only pointing out if it has to be done no need for fist
but would rather as you said kick off and play

And if you don’t like politics in your football, you’re free to express it..keep the screwball left/right out of it. They keep telling us it’s nothing without the fans.. people should start listening.

I just don’t understand why the need to boo taking the knee unless there are racist undertones?

By all means disagree with the action but why boo ? Just ignore the action.

Plenty of people disagree with similar actions such as a minutes silence for the death of some figures or even war commémorations but they don’t boo the action.

I personally don’t have a problem with players taking the knee, but nor do I think players should be shamed into it. If they feel strongly for it then do it and we should let them show that support for their colleagues.

Just one final point. If anyone seriously thinks that there isn’t a racism problem at Millwall FC in particular then we really do have a problem ! Most fans in the UK would have put money in this happening at either Millwall or Leeds and anyone denying that needs to educate themselves about some of their fan groups.

you see it as similar to a minutes silence...and rememberance sunday ?

Only in that It is a public acknowledgment of a cause. For many, not as impactful, but the point is that those opposed to such recognition don’t boo.

I just think it’s completely unnecessary to boo any such public actions. If you don’t like it, ignore it, turn your back on it, etc.

As for Millwall, it had to be them didn’t it ? Racism is endemic in some of their supporters groups, like it or not it’s there.

Well done to QPR who will now take the knee in support of anti-racism just because they are playing Millwall. They previously didn’t take the knee but recognise the need to take a stand after the Millwall “protest”.

yes well done on making this a p155ing competition instead of having a good look and listening to what issues people have.... and maybe stopping things that are divisive....

this shouting people down , pressuring people to conform even when they have genuine concerns and mob rule runs right through history... and its never good...

Where am I making this a competition ?

I'm the one arguing for tolerance but it seems tolerance only goes one way in your world.

We ain't going to agree on this and that's fine. But don't misrepresent what I've said. Read it, ignore it if you like, but don't tell me what I've said when I clearly haven't !!

your remark ..well done QPR.. its just ignoring what happened and the reasoning behind what happened.
the reaction to other peoples issues and concerns by poking them in the eye is in no way good and by no means tolerant..

Well done QPR for exercising discretion and their right to express opinion. Also well done for not just taking the knee automatically at every game to support BLM but only when they feel the need to show support.

As for the “poking in the eye” comment I really don’t understand your point given that it’s your opinion that you want to stop the taking of the knee when that is merely an expression of free speech? As I said, if we don’t like it we can ignore it.

so it is in support of BLM then.

Millwall fans made themselves look like fools. If you don't like something ignore it.
A few years ago it felt like every other week soldiers were marching around the pitch glorifying war.
I didn't stand there booing I just ignored it.
What makes me laugh is a lot of Posters on here remind me of the poppy man in this photo.
Honestly now if people don't like watching footballers kneeling against racism and discrimination then don't bother going. Go and watch people fishing instead or enter some wanking competition.

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Totally against taking the knee.

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Millwall fans made themselves look like fools. If you don't like something ignore it.
A few years ago it felt like every other week soldiers were marching around the pitch glorifying war.
I didn't stand there booing I just ignored it.
What makes me laugh is a lot of Posters on here remind me of the poppy man in this photo.
Honestly now if people don't like watching footballers kneeling against racism and discrimination then don't bother going. Go and watch people fishing instead or enter some wanking competition.

Just ignore it mate.. follow your own advice

Had to laugh the fans of Brighton clapped the players! This could get messy with extreme fans booing happy clappers like Fulham ect cheering and clapping players while others booing and getting clubs knickers in a twist like it is now!

Players from Queens Park Rangers to take the knee at Millwall on Tuesday.
Was it Millwall used to sing Aberfan to us.I can't remember?

Players from Queens Park Rangers to take the knee at Millwall on Tuesday.
Was it Millwall used to sing Aberfan to us.I can't remember?

i remember many fans singing it to us... but not Millwall... but eh oh your on a roll maybe its them that put the rebrand idea in Tans head too...
been there quite a few times and bumped into their fans a few times on our way to other games.... and their fan base has always been more diverse and representative of their area than ours has been... so not sure how this racist stuff works in some peoples minds.

Players from Queens Park Rangers to take the knee at Millwall on Tuesday.
Was it Millwall used to sing Aberfan to us.I can't remember?

i remember many fans singing it to us... but not Millwall... but eh oh your on a roll maybe its them that put the rebrand idea in Tans head too...
been there quite a few times and bumped into their fans a few times on our way to other games.... and their fan base has always been more diverse and representative of their area than ours has been... so not sure how this racist stuff works in some peoples minds.

To be honest I think it;s time to bring the whole epsiode to a close.

Funny how we're 5 pages in and no one has actually said that players don't take the knee for the blm movement as the FA has incorporated it into their own anti discrimination schemes and the millwall players have said they aren't doing it politically.

I'm sure the usual people will be here desperately trying to justify that it is terribly evil so they don't have to actually listen to the message.

Josh grow up you big fanny perhaps you are surrounded by racists and Nazis the rest of us aren't.
thick as dogshit

You ok hun? You seem to be a bit angry recently Xxx

Josh now I would like you to answer me this. What is your take on BLM ? Do you see them as more political or more justice for black people. What is your view on what BLM is all about ? What are there overall aims ?

Millwall fans have their say
Link

https://millwall-forum.vitalfootball.co ... gan.45598/

Piers Morgan getting the abuse Chief But they do explain quite well why they booed and it explains there is nothing racist about it. My Wall mate told me today that there was plenty of Black wall lads in that 2000 who was also booing.
Yes they are piss taking Twats and quite often are close to the bone on things but one thing they are not is Racist.I have a good mate who is a wall Lad and Black and he has been anti BLM from the start.
Now had he been white you would say he was a typical white stereotype with his very pro Millwall and England and a St George flag waving nutter whomis proud to be English.

Millwall and QPR players to stand arm-in-arm in 'show of solidarity' before Tuesday's match -

Millwall players will not take a knee before Tuesday's Championship fixture against QPR but will stand arm-in-arm in a "show of solidarity for football's fight against discrimination".

It comes after some Millwall fans booed the players taking a knee before Saturday's defeat by Derby at The Den.

Players of both teams will collectively hold up an anti-racism banner.

Millwall's regular shirt sponsor will be replaced with the logo of anti-discrimination body Kick It Out.

In a statement, Millwall said: "Millwall believe that this gesture, which the club hopes to repeat with other visiting teams in the coming weeks and months, will help to unify people throughout society in the battle to root out all forms of discrimination.

"Millwall have a zero-tolerance policy against racial and all other forms of discrimination and want to again make clear to anybody who holds such views that you are not welcome at this football club. Millwall's stance, as always, is that anybody found guilty of racial abuse is banned for life."

The decision came after a meeting on Monday between both clubs, Kick It Out, Show Racism The Red Card, the Professional Footballers' Association (PFA), the Football Association (FA) and the English Football League (EFL).

"Black superiority fist" - some odd jobs on here.

Players from Queens Park Rangers to take the knee at Millwall on Tuesday.
Was it Millwall used to sing Aberfan to us.I can't remember?

No mate Millwall never did, it was that horrible Lancashire club little old Burnley that used to chant Aberfan to us, disgusting and horrible fans.

Players from Queens Park Rangers to take the knee at Millwall on Tuesday.
Was it Millwall used to sing Aberfan to us.I can't remember?

No mate Millwall never did, it was that horrible Lancashire club little old Burnley that used to chant Aberfan to us, disgusting and horrible fans.

Most away trips we’ve always been subjected to abuse and everything else. Never stopped me travelling and never will. Probably racist chants as well ie sheepsh————- inc!,

Maybe we should go down on the knee hmmm!!!!!!!

Players from Queens Park Rangers to take the knee at Millwall on Tuesday.
Was it Millwall used to sing Aberfan to us.I can't remember?

No mate Millwall never did, it was that horrible Lancashire club little old Burnley that used to chant Aberfan to us, disgusting and horrible fans.

And Oxford, Bristol city and Man utd in the 70's, they all chanted it too, I've never heard Millwall fans singing it.

Millwall fans have their say
Link

https://millwall-forum.vitalfootball.co ... gan.45598/

Piers Morgan getting the abuse Chief But they do explain quite well why they booed and it explains there is nothing racist about it. My Wall mate told me today that there was plenty of Black wall lads in that 2000 who was also booing.
Yes they are piss taking Twats and quite often are close to the bone on things but one thing they are not is Racist.I have a good mate who is a wall Lad and Black and he has been anti BLM from the start.
Now had he been white you would say he was a typical white stereotype with his very pro Millwall and England and a St George flag waving nutter whomis proud to be English.

Don’t know the figures here but in the States over 2/3 of Black people don’t support the aims of BLM.

If Cardiff players choose to take the knee I support them if they choose not to, I support them. We have a good bunch of players and I will never boo them for any gesture they do or don't make.


It's up to them.

Booing your own players because they choose to, or not to, take the knee, is infantile.

I just don’t understand why the need to boo taking the knee unless there are racist undertones?

By all means disagree with the action but why boo ? Just ignore the action.

Plenty of people disagree with similar actions such as a minutes silence for the death of some figures or even war commémorations but they don’t boo the action.

I personally don’t have a problem with players taking the knee, but nor do I think players should be shamed into it. If they feel strongly for it then do it and we should let them show that support for their colleagues.

Just one final point. If anyone seriously thinks that there isn’t a racism problem at Millwall FC in particular then we really do have a problem ! Most fans in the UK would have put money in this happening at either Millwall or Leeds and anyone denying that needs to educate themselves about some of their fan groups.

you see it as similar to a minutes silence...and rememberance sunday ?

Only in that It is a public acknowledgment of a cause. For many, not as impactful, but the point is that those opposed to such recognition don’t boo.

I just think it’s completely unnecessary to boo any such public actions. If you don’t like it, ignore it, turn your back on it, etc.

As for Millwall, it had to be them didn’t it ? Racism is endemic in some of their supporters groups, like it or not it’s there.

Well done to QPR who will now take the knee in support of anti-racism just because they are playing Millwall. They previously didn’t take the knee but recognise the need to take a stand after the Millwall “protest”.

yes well done on making this a p155ing competition instead of having a good look and listening to what issues people have.... and maybe stopping things that are divisive....

this shouting people down , pressuring people to conform even when they have genuine concerns and mob rule runs right through history... and its never good...

Where am I making this a competition ?

I'm the one arguing for tolerance but it seems tolerance only goes one way in your world.

We ain't going to agree on this and that's fine. But don't misrepresent what I've said. Read it, ignore it if you like, but don't tell me what I've said when I clearly haven't !!

your remark ..well done QPR.. its just ignoring what happened and the reasoning behind what happened.
the reaction to other peoples issues and concerns by poking them in the eye is in no way good and by no means tolerant..

Well done QPR for exercising discretion and their right to express opinion. Also well done for not just taking the knee automatically at every game to support BLM but only when they feel the need to show support.

As for the “poking in the eye” comment I really don’t understand your point given that it’s your opinion that you want to stop the taking of the knee when that is merely an expression of free speech? As I said, if we don’t like it we can ignore it.

so it is in support of BLM then.

In QPR's view, clearly. Which I respect.

I don't think I've expressed a view either way have I ? Mainly because, to be brutally honest I don't know enough to be sure either way on the links to BLM. Most players have talked about this being a joint approach against racism and not mentioned BLM. My point is that people should be free to express themselves without fear of reproach.

I just don't get why, for instance, Cardiff fans would boo Jnr Hoilett, Bacuna, Ojo, etc., for taking the knee yet cheer them to the rafters if they win a game for us ? Surely people can see how the players would find that offensive and upsetting ?

Funny how we're 5 pages in and no one has actually said that players don't take the knee for the blm movement as the FA has incorporated it into their own anti discrimination schemes and the millwall players have said they aren't doing it politically.

I'm sure the usual people will be here desperately trying to justify that it is terribly evil so they don't have to actually listen to the message.

Josh grow up you big fanny perhaps you are surrounded by racists and Nazis the rest of us aren't.
thick as dogshit

You ok hun? You seem to be a bit angry recently Xxx

Josh now I would like you to answer me this. What is your take on BLM ? Do you see them as more political or more justice for black people. What is your view on what BLM is all about ? What are there overall aims ?

'Do you see them as more political or more justice for black people?' The latter
'What is your view on what BLM is all about ?' Racial equality
'What are their overall aims ?' See above.

Obviously you and your millwall 'friend' would be aware that none of this is relevant because, as their extensive research before deciding to boo would've told them, taking the knee was incorporated into the FAs own anti discrimination schemes. The players have said that they're doing it solely for anti discrimination rather than political reasons as well.

Surely you'll agree that now the millwall fans know exactly what it's about if they were to boo again then it would be booing anti discrimination and thus would be unacceptable.

I won’t boo or clap, but I think the footballing virtue signalling authorities has seen themselves cross the Rubicon in terms of protests and I am unsure how they get back.

This is a league sanctioned protest. It has little real value as it’s so vague and idealistic it’s hard to in tangible terms describe what good or success looks like.

Nothing will convince me that it was not a string of the democratic party causing an issue for the media to get behind to get them elected. Skys owners are no longer Fox they haven’t been for a while, its Comcast who also own NBC. This is the same group that house MSNBC which is ultra-progressive cable “news” (views not news) channel. Sky have been all in on BLM as they want to show a worldwide struggle to reinforce this is a truly world story.
Now Uncle Joe has been elected and appointed all the right “Wall street”, super safe, globalists I think you’ll see BLM lose all their unlimited media in the states. The real BLM are still there, you just won’t hear from them much going forward.

That leaves the premier league (the ultimate globalist pursuit) and the EFL in a bit of a sticky wicket. How do you get out of this. Players can now use their influence, they are happy. Cool, Lets start with supporting the only player with the bollox to say something about the Chinese treatment of the Uighur Muslims. There are enough Muslim players, let them all wear headbands or replace their shirt name in solidarity with their genuinely oppressed brothers……..Then watch the premier shit a brick !!!!

Good ole Mesut Ozil actually said something contentious about the Chinese then another NBA player talked about Hong Kong and they were Kapernic’d before you knew it…….

Who chooses what players can protest or not ? How about our old friend James McClean, perhaps players can wear green and white or orange to show their support for one side or another in the Ireland issue.

There was a reason we didn’t bring politics or religion into sport in this country and it worked so well. Have a look at some of the bigotry still in Scotland’s clubs.

Of course I want to end discrimination, there are only a few crackpots out there who would say anything else…..Now what ?

If this is true then brilliant common sense prevails and No more dividing Society and football fans

QPR stopped along time ago and Millwall had until the media put pressure on them.

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I won’t boo or clap, but I think the footballing virtue signalling authorities has seen themselves cross the Rubicon in terms of protests and I am unsure how they get back.

This is a league sanctioned protest. It has little real value as it’s so vague and idealistic it’s hard to in tangible terms describe what good or success looks like.

Nothing will convince me that it was not a string of the democratic party causing an issue for the media to get behind to get them elected. Skys owners are no longer Fox they haven’t been for a while, its Comcast who also own NBC. This is the same group that house MSNBC which is ultra-progressive cable “news” (views not news) channel. Sky have been all in on BLM as they want to show a worldwide struggle to reinforce this is a truly world story.
Now Uncle Joe has been elected and appointed all the right “Wall street”, super safe, globalists I think you’ll see BLM lose all their unlimited media in the states. The real BLM are still there, you just won’t hear from them much going forward.

That leaves the premier league (the ultimate globalist pursuit) and the EFL in a bit of a sticky wicket. How do you get out of this. Players can now use their influence, they are happy. Cool, Lets start with supporting the only player with the bollox to say something about the Chinese treatment of the Uighur Muslims. There are enough Muslim players, let them all wear headbands or replace their shirt name in solidarity with their genuinely oppressed brothers……..Then watch the premier shit a brick !!!!

Good ole Mesut Ozil actually said something contentious about the Chinese then another NBA player talked about Hong Kong and they were Kapernic’d before you knew it…….

Who chooses what players can protest or not ? How about our old friend James McClean, perhaps players can wear green and white or orange to show their support for one side or another in the Ireland issue.

There was a reason we didn’t bring politics or religion into sport in this country and it worked so well. Have a look at some of the bigotry still in Scotland’s clubs.

Of course I want to end discrimination, there are only a few crackpots out there who would say anything else…..Now what ?

Great post
There’s been no real sectarianism in Scotland for decades its tribal rivalry. There is however a thriving anti sectarian industry who need sectarianism to justify their funding. Same rules apply to anti racist groups, real racism is a minuscule problem in the UK so all these groups need to exaggerate the extent of racism or they lose their jobs and salaries.

Well done Millwall, I will definitely boo if players take the knee/raise the black power fist. I totally agree with the statement that Black Lives Matter but I totally disagree with the group. I’m booing the BLM group.
It’s a players choice to kneel - fine.
It’s my choice to boo - fine.