Greta Thunberg my opinion

Am I on the Cardiff High 6th form forum.. if so, I’d better get me some acne.

Probably the only way you'll get anyone to listen to you these days mate! If your over 19 your opinion may as well be worthless apparently

Says it all

ffs

you could do similar for anyone

For all those mocking Donald Trump, if you're not a tee-total, amassed a net worth of $3bn and been voted to lead your country, then sit the f*ck down

JEREMY CLARKSON called
Thunberg a 'spoilt brat' after she spoke in front of the United Nations this last week to talk about climate change.

"How dare you sail to America on a carbon fibre yacht that you didn't build which cost £15million, that you didn't earn, and which has a back-up diesel engine that you didn't mention," he said in a column for The Sun.

"Pause for a moment to consider how soundly you sleep at night, knowing that adults are building and servicing and flying Sweden's fighter planes. To keep you safe. We gave you mobile phones and laptops and the internet. We created the social media you use every day and we run the banks that pay for it all, so how dare you stand there and lecture us, you spoilt brat.

"Get back to school as quickly as possible and work hard in your science lectures because science is what will solve the problem eventually. Not scowling and having screaming ab-dabs every five minutes. Many thousands of people who you had the temerity to blame this week are trying to do exactly what you want, so be a good girl, shut up and let them get on with it."

Says it all

ffs

you could do similar for anyone

For all those mocking Donald Trump, if you're not a tee-total, amassed a net worth of $3bn and been voted to lead your country, then sit the f*ck down

He's lost more money than ge started with. Mind you, now that he is President and putting the national security of the nation he represents at risk, that could change. There'll be Trump hotels all over Ukraine soon. And probably throughout Russia too. FFS

Says it all

ffs

you could do similar for anyone

For all those mocking Donald Trump, if you're not a tee-total, amassed a net worth of $3bn and been voted to lead your country, then sit the f*ck down

He's lost more money than ge started with.

He recovered from being something like 8 Billion down to being 3 billion up. Regardless of opinion on him as a man that is something that requires phenomenal balls of steel and I dont understand how it is rolled out as a criticism of him. It is an incredible achievement beyond the comprehension of most of us.

Says it all

ffs

you could do similar for anyone

For all those mocking Donald Trump, if you're not a tee-total, amassed a net worth of $3bn and been voted to lead your country, then sit the f*ck down

He's lost more money than ge started with. Mind you, now that he is President and putting the national security of the nation he represents at risk, that could change. There'll be Trump hotels all over Ukraine soon. And probably throughout Russia too. FFS

Like I said, if you've never been the president of your country, then sit the f*ck down

Says it all

ffs

you could do similar for anyone

For all those mocking Donald Trump, if you're not a tee-total, amassed a net worth of $3bn and been voted to lead your country, then sit the f*ck down

He's lost more money than ge started with. Mind you, now that he is President and putting the national security of the nation he represents at risk, that could change. There'll be Trump hotels all over Ukraine soon. And probably throughout Russia too. FFS

How has he lost more money than he started with? What are the numbers?

Says it all

ffs

you could do similar for anyone

For all those mocking Donald Trump, if you're not a tee-total, amassed a net worth of $3bn and been voted to lead your country, then sit the f*ck down

He's lost more money than ge started with. Mind you, now that he is President and putting the national security of the nation he represents at risk, that could change. There'll be Trump hotels all over Ukraine soon. And probably throughout Russia too. FFS

Like I said, if you've never been the president of your country, then sit the f*ck down

Nice bit of perspective there

https://www.climatedepot.com/2019/09/24 ... ter-to-un/

I think he's missed me off that list, so let's call it 501

https://www.climatedepot.com/2019/09/24/no-climate-emergency-mit-climate-expert-500-prominent-global-experts-write-in-letter-to-un/

I think he's missed me off that list, so let's call it 501

Difficult for the average person to know what is really happening in the modern world. Experts spent years telling us red meat will give us cancer, and now it appears that was hugely exaggerated. I may be sceptical, but I always look to see who is going to make money out of these claims. That often gives a hint as to how accurate these claims are. Seems that most of the respected scientists have proof of climate change, but it's always a bit worrying when you get highly qualified people who inform us that they do not subscribe to these views.

The weird OTT comments on here are not from supporters of the club I love.anyone comparing a disabled girl to nazi propaganda is just taking it way too far.id expect this kind of crap from Swansea fans but I thought most Cardiff fans had more about them.if your dumb enough to deny or not care about global warming I don’t really care.but to be commenting on the way a disabled girl looks and acts just because you disagree with her message ,to practically bully and discriminate her behaviour thats when it’s gone too far.how comments are even allowed to stay on is just a sad state of the way mods run this.
Hey if I or someone else referred to a foreign person using the N word ,they’d call the police yet it seems someone with a disability is fair game.and it’s rubbish like this that creates racists because while racism is 100% wrong as everyone’s equal,clearly they aren’t equal when they get preferential treatment.either discrimination of ANY kind is wrong,or none is.

The weird OTT comments on here are not from supporters of the club I love.anyone comparing a disabled girl to nazi propaganda is just taking it way too far.id expect this kind of crap from Swansea fans but I thought most Cardiff fans had more about them.if your dumb enough to deny or not care about global warming I don’t really care.but to be commenting on the way a disabled girl looks and acts just because you disagree with her message ,to practically bully and discriminate her behaviour thats when it’s gone too far.how comments are even allowed to stay on is just a sad state of the way mods run this.
Hey if I or someone else referred to a foreign person using the N word ,they’d call the police yet it seems someone with a disability is fair game.and it’s rubbish like this that creates racists because while racism is 100% wrong as everyone’s equal,clearly they aren’t equal when they get preferential treatment.either discrimination of ANY kind is wrong,or none is.

Madness. Nobody compared her to a Nazi from what i've read. The comparison was about the campaign, run by manipulative adults.
If she is disabled(not sure Aspergers Syndrome is a disability), shouldn't you be angry with the puppeteers thrusting her awkwardly into the bear pit?

The weird OTT comments on here are not from supporters of the club I love.anyone comparing a disabled girl to nazi propaganda is just taking it way too far.id expect this kind of crap from Swansea fans but I thought most Cardiff fans had more about them.if your dumb enough to deny or not care about global warming I don’t really care.but to be commenting on the way a disabled girl looks and acts just because you disagree with her message ,to practically bully and discriminate her behaviour thats when it’s gone too far.how comments are even allowed to stay on is just a sad state of the way mods run this.
Hey if I or someone else referred to a foreign person using the N word ,they’d call the police yet it seems someone with a disability is fair game.and it’s rubbish like this that creates racists because while racism is 100% wrong as everyone’s equal,clearly they aren’t equal when they get preferential treatment.either discrimination of ANY kind is wrong,or none is.

Madness. Nobody compared her to a Nazi from what i've read. The comparison was about the campaign, run by manipulative adults.
If she is disabled(not sure Aspergers Syndrome is a disability), shouldn't you be angry with the puppeteers thrusting her awkwardly into the bear pit?

well that’s what I mean,comparing her campaign to nazis ,who’s told you she’s being forced into it.them dumb rumours only started because of her behaviour which a behaviour expert has said is normal ,especially during her reaction to seeing trump,I’d have had the exact same response myself if I’d campaigned like her for climate change then the fat orange global warming denier decides to upstage the entire thing by turning up last minute.

also How is Aspergers not a disability? that’s is the dumbest comment I have ever read.unless you too have a disability there’s no excuse for such ignorance.
I was more angry at the comments referring to her behaviour and faces she pulls.its like making fun of someone with Tourette’s for shouting randomly,which is no different to making fun of someone in a wheelchair for not being able to walk.
if someone has anything wrong ,even if in your weird world where aspergers is not a disability,it’s still something that makes people different and as I said,deny global warming if you want,that’s stupid enough,but to start getting personal attacking a 16 year old girl just because someone has no better argument,that’s when it hits a new low.

once you google and see speeds Is a disability can you honestly say your happy for Cardiff fans to be making fun of how a disabled girl acts? I’m not asking about global warming or getting into a insane debate over saying she’s being forced into it,but simply asking if comment saying she acts/looks strange and so on are acceptable from anyone.

The weird OTT comments on here are not from supporters of the club I love.anyone comparing a disabled girl to nazi propaganda is just taking it way too far.id expect this kind of crap from Swansea fans but I thought most Cardiff fans had more about them.if your dumb enough to deny or not care about global warming I don’t really care.but to be commenting on the way a disabled girl looks and acts just because you disagree with her message ,to practically bully and discriminate her behaviour thats when it’s gone too far.how comments are even allowed to stay on is just a sad state of the way mods run this.
Hey if I or someone else referred to a foreign person using the N word ,they’d call the police yet it seems someone with a disability is fair game.and it’s rubbish like this that creates racists because while racism is 100% wrong as everyone’s equal,clearly they aren’t equal when they get preferential treatment.either discrimination of ANY kind is wrong,or none is.

Having a different view from a spoiled brat on climate change creates racism? That’s quite a jump. Like the vast majority of people someone’s skin pigment is not an issue for me, sadly though we have very little racism in the U.K. we do have a thriving anti racism industry, that has to exaggerate racism to continue getting funding.

The weird OTT comments on here are not from supporters of the club I love.anyone comparing a disabled girl to nazi propaganda is just taking it way too far.id expect this kind of crap from Swansea fans but I thought most Cardiff fans had more about them.if your dumb enough to deny or not care about global warming I don’t really care.but to be commenting on the way a disabled girl looks and acts just because you disagree with her message ,to practically bully and discriminate her behaviour thats when it’s gone too far.how comments are even allowed to stay on is just a sad state of the way mods run this.
Hey if I or someone else referred to a foreign person using the N word ,they’d call the police yet it seems someone with a disability is fair game.and it’s rubbish like this that creates racists because while racism is 100% wrong as everyone’s equal,clearly they aren’t equal when they get preferential treatment.either discrimination of ANY kind is wrong,or none is.

Having a different view from a spoiled brat on climate change creates racism? That’s quite a jump. Like the vast majority of people someone’s skin pigment is not an issue for me, sadly though we have very little racism in the U.K. we do have a thriving anti racism industry, that has to exaggerate racism to continue getting funding.

I’m not the first person in this thread to have an issue with bringing nazis into it.
and spoilt brat? Where is she spoilt or a brat? because you and others are too thick to see global warming is happening.theres barely a scientist out there that denies it but all because a global warming activist drives a car or owns a mobile suddenly they are a hypocrite and get insults from the sort of people who still believe in a flat earth.
global warming isn’t an opinion it’s a fact.
but it’s more the complaining over her behaviour I have an issue with.i seen a comment saying she looked or acted strange and then you repeated the spoilt brat comment.aspergers is a behaviour disability but evenif it wasn’t,I don’t understand the spoilt brat comments ,so everyone on here knows better than scientists and behaviour experts?
she’s angry,but the question is why isn’t everyone else.its not spoilt to want abetter future,it’s not spoilt to act different because of a disability,it’s like when kids have tantrums who have disabilities and people are nasty to them or the parents.
if people are that ill informed over disability sure,y that proves their “opinion” that global warming isn’t real ,that should be ignored too as they clear,y can’t be all informed on that either

The weird OTT comments on here are not from supporters of the club I love.anyone comparing a disabled girl to nazi propaganda is just taking it way too far.id expect this kind of crap from Swansea fans but I thought most Cardiff fans had more about them.if your dumb enough to deny or not care about global warming I don’t really care.but to be commenting on the way a disabled girl looks and acts just because you disagree with her message ,to practically bully and discriminate her behaviour thats when it’s gone too far.how comments are even allowed to stay on is just a sad state of the way mods run this.
Hey if I or someone else referred to a foreign person using the N word ,they’d call the police yet it seems someone with a disability is fair game.and it’s rubbish like this that creates racists because while racism is 100% wrong as everyone’s equal,clearly they aren’t equal when they get preferential treatment.either discrimination of ANY kind is wrong,or none is.

Having a different view from a spoiled brat on climate change creates racism? That’s quite a jump. Like the vast majority of people someone’s skin pigment is not an issue for me, sadly though we have very little racism in the U.K. we do have a thriving anti racism industry, that has to exaggerate racism to continue getting funding.

I’m not the first person in this thread to have an issue with bringing nazis into it.
and spoilt brat? Where is she spoilt or a brat? because you and others are too thick to see global warming is happening.theres barely a scientist out there that denies it but all because a global warming activist drives a car or owns a mobile suddenly they are a hypocrite and get insults from the sort of people who still believe in a flat earth.
global warming isn’t an opinion it’s a fact.
but it’s more the complaining over her behaviour I have an issue with.i seen a comment saying she looked or acted strange and then you repeated the spoilt brat comment.aspergers is a behaviour disability but evenif it wasn’t,I don’t understand the spoilt brat comments ,so everyone on here knows better than scientists and behaviour experts?
she’s angry,but the question is why isn’t everyone else.its not spoilt to want abetter future,it’s not spoilt to act different because of a disability,it’s like when kids have tantrums who have disabilities and people are nasty to them or the parents.
if people are that ill informed over disability sure,y that proves their “opinion” that global warming isn’t real ,that should be ignored too as they clear,y can’t be all informed on that either

Where did I say global warming isn’t happening?
The girl has been raised by Marxist, Antifa supporting parents who want to collapse capitalism so I take much of what she says with a pinch of salt. Her sail across the Atlantic was a poorly thought out, unnecessary publicity stunt and falls into the same bracket as over privileged Royals and film stars telling ordinary people not to travel while they buzz round the planet on private jets or in 1st class seats. You sound like a very angry wee boy, perhaps you should try sexual intercourse.

The weird OTT comments on here are not from supporters of the club I love.anyone comparing a disabled girl to nazi propaganda is just taking it way too far.id expect this kind of crap from Swansea fans but I thought most Cardiff fans had more about them.if your dumb enough to deny or not care about global warming I don’t really care.but to be commenting on the way a disabled girl looks and acts just because you disagree with her message ,to practically bully and discriminate her behaviour thats when it’s gone too far.how comments are even allowed to stay on is just a sad state of the way mods run this.
Hey if I or someone else referred to a foreign person using the N word ,they’d call the police yet it seems someone with a disability is fair game.and it’s rubbish like this that creates racists because while racism is 100% wrong as everyone’s equal,clearly they aren’t equal when they get preferential treatment.either discrimination of ANY kind is wrong,or none is.

Having a different view from a spoiled brat on climate change creates racism? That’s quite a jump. Like the vast majority of people someone’s skin pigment is not an issue for me, sadly though we have very little racism in the U.K. we do have a thriving anti racism industry, that has to exaggerate racism to continue getting funding.

I’m not the first person in this thread to have an issue with bringing nazis into it.
and spoilt brat? Where is she spoilt or a brat? because you and others are too thick to see global warming is happening.theres barely a scientist out there that denies it but all because a global warming activist drives a car or owns a mobile suddenly they are a hypocrite and get insults from the sort of people who still believe in a flat earth.
global warming isn’t an opinion it’s a fact.
but it’s more the complaining over her behaviour I have an issue with.i seen a comment saying she looked or acted strange and then you repeated the spoilt brat comment.aspergers is a behaviour disability but evenif it wasn’t,I don’t understand the spoilt brat comments ,so everyone on here knows better than scientists and behaviour experts?
she’s angry,but the question is why isn’t everyone else.its not spoilt to want abetter future,it’s not spoilt to act different because of a disability,it’s like when kids have tantrums who have disabilities and people are nasty to them or the parents.
if people are that ill informed over disability sure,y that proves their “opinion” that global warming isn’t real ,that should be ignored too as they clear,y can’t be all informed on that either

I don't want to be too unkind as you're a city fan but dial down on the insults. There's no need, especially when you clearly know very little on the subject. Branding people with Asperger's as "disabled" is actually damaging to them.

In most cases Aspergers Syndrome
is a "condition" not a disability.
Many eminent high achievers throughout history to the present day have had Aspergers syndrome.
Albert Einstein is said to have been one.

Call out blatent racism yes but Glibly Calling people "Racist" is also toxic and damaging our society and enabling child rape as we saw with the authorities sickening response to grooming gangs. Their disinterest in tackling race driven child abuse was largely down to a fear of being called racist and losing their job.

It's time idiots shouting racist/xenophobe simply to close down debate were ridiculed and shunned. It's pathetic behaviour and toxic as f**k.


I won't be responding you need to be ignored and shunned.

The weird OTT comments on here are not from supporters of the club I love.anyone comparing a disabled girl to nazi propaganda is just taking it way too far.id expect this kind of crap from Swansea fans but I thought most Cardiff fans had more about them.if your dumb enough to deny or not care about global warming I don’t really care.but to be commenting on the way a disabled girl looks and acts just because you disagree with her message ,to practically bully and discriminate her behaviour thats when it’s gone too far.how comments are even allowed to stay on is just a sad state of the way mods run this.
Hey if I or someone else referred to a foreign person using the N word ,they’d call the police yet it seems someone with a disability is fair game.and it’s rubbish like this that creates racists because while racism is 100% wrong as everyone’s equal,clearly they aren’t equal when they get preferential treatment.either discrimination of ANY kind is wrong,or none is.

Having a different view from a spoiled brat on climate change creates racism? That’s quite a jump. Like the vast majority of people someone’s skin pigment is not an issue for me, sadly though we have very little racism in the U.K. we do have a thriving anti racism industry, that has to exaggerate racism to continue getting funding.

I’m not the first person in this thread to have an issue with bringing nazis into it.
and spoilt brat? Where is she spoilt or a brat? because you and others are too thick to see global warming is happening.theres barely a scientist out there that denies it but all because a global warming activist drives a car or owns a mobile suddenly they are a hypocrite and get insults from the sort of people who still believe in a flat earth.
global warming isn’t an opinion it’s a fact.
but it’s more the complaining over her behaviour I have an issue with.i seen a comment saying she looked or acted strange and then you repeated the spoilt brat comment.aspergers is a behaviour disability but evenif it wasn’t,I don’t understand the spoilt brat comments ,so everyone on here knows better than scientists and behaviour experts?
she’s angry,but the question is why isn’t everyone else.its not spoilt to want abetter future,it’s not spoilt to act different because of a disability,it’s like when kids have tantrums who have disabilities and people are nasty to them or the parents.
if people are that ill informed over disability sure,y that proves their “opinion” that global warming isn’t real ,that should be ignored too as they clear,y can’t be all informed on that either

I don't want to be too unkind as you're a city fan but dial down on the insults. There's no need, especially when you clearly know very little on the subject. Branding people with Asperger's as "disabled" is actually damaging to them.

In most cases Aspergers Syndrome
is a "condition" not a disability.
Many eminent high achievers throughout history to the present day have had Aspergers syndrome.
Albert Einstein is said to have been one.

Call out blatent racism yes but Glibly Calling people "Racist" is also toxic and damaging our society and enabling child rape as we saw with the authorities sickening response to grooming gangs. Their disinterest in tackling race driven child abuse was largely down to a fear of being called racist and losing their job.

It's time idiots shouting racist/xenophobe simply to close down debate were ridiculed and shunned. It's pathetic behaviour and toxic as f**k.


I won't be responding you need to be ignored and shunned.

Firstly I wasnt the one bringing nazi into it,however it was worded ,nazis shouldn’t be referred to just because someone wants to deny climate change evidence.whether it makes them racist or not,maybe there’s a better word ,but racist for me is just a generic term used and often incorrectly ,ill admit that,but I still think the use of the word nazi was far too extreme and I was not the first,second or even third,infact someone else wanted to call the police and I’d support that 100%.i even considered it myself before I seen that someone else was considering it so now I don’t want to seem like I’m copying.

but on the aspergers subject, People with aspergers get disability benefits so explain that one if it’s not a disability.

So it’s offensive to call it a disability but not offensive to say she looks and acts strange or is a spoilt brat just for not controlling her emotions like an average person?
are you actually serious lol.
to assume someone achieves something so it’s not a disability,have you seen paralympics,amputees,blind people all running,jumping they are incredible,being disabled does stop someone achieving something,nor does achieving something stop it being a disability.i have a autistic friend and he’s smarter than me by a mile.but your almost agreeing with me that aspergers/autisticc people shouldn’t be mocaked/dismissed because they’d behaviour might be different but most are very kind but also very bright clever people.

also dont treat me different because I’m a city fan,I’m happpy go rant at city fans for discriminating against aspergers,I said I think anyone’s stupid to deny global warming,whoever they support or vote for etc but I’m not upset over the climate change deniers,it’s people saying how she’s acting when an expert said it was normal behaviour.

So do I know everything? No I never claimed I did but I know I don’t start an argument unless I’m 99.99% I’m right on a subject and when I have views of experts on my side I struggle to see how I’m wrong.

whether someone’s black,gay,fat,a woman,a goth,got a “condition” or disability,if you single them out because of it then it’s discrimination ,you can’t go well it doesn’t qualify as a disability so it’s ok to make fun of her or anyone else with similar

Also my earlier rant about how foreigners are protected by law,incase that came across wrong I wasn’t saying it’s ok to cal, people nazi or nigga,I’m simply saying it shouldn’t be ok to discriminate full stop.whether it’s saying a woman shouldn’t like football or make fun of a large person for buying a McDonald’s it’s wrong.
Insult away based on opinions so defend/deny climate change,insult Swansea fans or brexit voters etc I’m not fussed about that,but not something that a person can’t control such as age,weight,skin colour or condition aka disability,that’s when I have an issue and would defend anyone against anyone.


I’m not claiming to be perfect or an expert,simply to not use the word nazi and treat people with aspergers equal while remembering their behaviour will be different but that doesn’t mean it’s ok to judge

OK, I couldn't resist biting at this flurry of posts. I've kept it to one long post though rather than filling the thread up with loads more posts on the same stuff...

id expect this kind of crap from Swansea fans

it’s rubbish like this that creates racists because while racism is 100% wrong as everyone’s equal

whether someone’s black,gay,fat,a woman,a goth,got a “condition” or disability,if you single them out because of it then it’s discrimination

So in just your first post, you make a sweeping judgement on a whole bunch of people based on the club they support whilst going on a crusade about how we should treat everyone the same, regardless of disability, skin colour or anything else.

You do see the hypocrisy there, right?

to be commenting on the way a disabled girl looks and acts just because you disagree with her message ,to practically bully and discriminate her behaviour

OK I agree with you here that people shouldn't criticise the way she looks because of her Aspergers.

However, I've looked back across the whole thread and from those criticising her the overwhelming majority, myself included, seem to be critical of her message, and in the main also go to lengths to point out she is being manipulated and it is those behind her including her parents that should be under-fire. I may be wrong as I only skimmed back through everything but I didn't see anyone criticising her simply on the way she looks or attacking her for having a disability?

How is Aspergers not a disability? that’s is the dumbest comment I have ever read

I would disagree, like others have, that she is disabled. I have Bi-Polar and to a lesser degree OCD, which both share an awful lot of cross over with Aspergers particularly in the social functioning aspects for me personally. (Like needing to respond in detail to your posts like this for example!) For a long time I considered it a disability, and reframing that to understand that I just function differently to the norm (not that Norms), was not only liberating but actually allowed me to really harness the way my brain works to begin achieving a lot of cool stuff.

You are correct that you can claim disability allowance for Aspergers, but it is a spectrum. Vaguely, it is the same as someone one person with a really bad back injury may never be able to work again and thus need support whilst another person with a less severe back injury may be fine doing a desk job and not need/nor qualify for disability. Basically, not all people with Aspergers are disabled, same as not all people with a bad back are disabled.

I’m not the first person in this thread to have an issue with bringing nazis into it.

Nope, your not and has been explained many times, comparing the Nazis use of children in propaganda to another use of children in propaganda really isn't a particularly terrible thing.

It's really not anyone else's fault that you aren't able to distinguish between comparing forms of propaganda and calling Thunberg a Nazi so it's not really fair to have a go at people for what to be blunt, is your own intellectual failings.

To make the same comparison in a way that you might find less offensive, we could instead compare it to Severn Cullis-Suzuki who made pretty much an identical speech to Thunberg at the age of 13 to the UN back in 1992 some 30 years ago?

It was the exact same tactic of putting a child up front to push through an agenda based on questionable science, the desired outcomes of which would have wide-reaching political and societal implications. By using a child to convey the message it is harder for those who don't agree with the conclusions to question it so openly. Because if they do ill-informed white knights like your good self ride in on the topic shooting down anyone daring to question what is being said, simply because of who is saying it.

In this instance, Greta is even more bullet-proof because she has Aspergers.

I don’t understand the spoilt brat comments

Her mother gave up her career as an international singer because Greta didn't want her to fly. She sailed across the Atlantic in a €15M boat (incidentally creating more carbon emissions than if she had flown with one chaperone) to lecture a room full of world leaders. She decided at 14 that she would strike from school because of climate change and instead of being reprimanded for playing hooky became held up as an international green-icon. She gave the US president's back a dirty look and it was worldwide news and she has been nominated for a Nobel peace prize whilst bringing zero solutions to the table. Of course, she is spoilt.

Again just for the record I really, really do feel for her and it is clear that she is being exploited for an ideological purpose and that is incredibly sad.

because you and others are too thick to see global warming is happening.there's barely a scientist out there that denies

Hmmm... there's actually quite a few https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_s ... al_warming

But the more important conversation is around how much of climate change is man-made and this is where the science really isn't as rock-solid as people would have you believe. People aren't thick for questioning inconclusive evidence. That's kinda the whole point of the scientific method.



Look, to be fair, I am sure you are coming at this with the best of intentions. Defending a young girl you do not know from criticism is a noble thing to do. Equally wanting people to do more to protect the planet is an admirable goal.

But the topic is far, far more complex than the likes of Thunberg and Extinction Rebellion make out - as I and others have gone into in a bit more detail earlier in the thread. The implications of much of the rhetoric coming from that direction would cripple the developing world and lock them into pretty much eternal poverty - this is just one such example of why we need to be able to challenge her/their message robustly rather than simply accept emotive speeches without question.

However, going on the offensive, calling people thick and racist, even suggesting police should be called for expressing a perfectly valid opinion - this brings nothing of value to the conversation.

OK, I couldn't resist biting at this flurry of posts. I've kept it to one long post though rather than filling the thread up with loads more posts on the same stuff...

id expect this kind of crap from Swansea fans

it’s rubbish like this that creates racists because while racism is 100% wrong as everyone’s equal

whether someone’s black,gay,fat,a woman,a goth,got a “condition” or disability,if you single them out because of it then it’s discrimination

So in just your first post, you make a sweeping judgement on a whole bunch of people based on the club they support whilst going on a crusade about how we should treat everyone the same, regardless of disability, skin colour or anything else.

You do see the hypocrisy there, right?

to be commenting on the way a disabled girl looks and acts just because you disagree with her message ,to practically bully and discriminate her behaviour

OK I agree with you here that people shouldn't criticise the way she looks because of her Aspergers.

However, I've looked back across the whole thread and from those criticising her the overwhelming majority, myself included, seem to be critical of her message, and in the main also go to lengths to point out she is being manipulated and it is those behind her including her parents that should be under-fire. I may be wrong as I only skimmed back through everything but I didn't see anyone criticising her simply on the way she looks or attacking her for having a disability?

How is Aspergers not a disability? that’s is the dumbest comment I have ever read

I would disagree, like others have, that she is disabled. I have Bi-Polar and to a lesser degree OCD, which both share an awful lot of cross over with Aspergers particularly in the social functioning aspects for me personally. (Like needing to respond in detail to your posts like this for example!) For a long time I considered it a disability, and reframing that to understand that I just function differently to the norm (not that Norms), was not only liberating but actually allowed me to really harness the way my brain works to begin achieving a lot of cool stuff.

You are correct that you can claim disability allowance for Aspergers, but it is a spectrum. Vaguely, it is the same as someone one person with a really bad back injury may never be able to work again and thus need support whilst another person with a less severe back injury may be fine doing a desk job and not need/nor qualify for disability. Basically, not all people with Aspergers are disabled, same as not all people with a bad back are disabled.

I’m not the first person in this thread to have an issue with bringing nazis into it.

Nope, your not and has been explained many times, comparing the Nazis use of children in propaganda to another use of children in propaganda really isn't a particularly terrible thing.

It's really not anyone else's fault that you aren't able to distinguish between comparing forms of propaganda and calling Thunberg a Nazi so it's not really fair to have a go at people for what to be blunt, is your own intellectual failings.

To make the same comparison in a way that you might find less offensive, we could instead compare it to Severn Cullis-Suzuki who made pretty much an identical speech to Thunberg at the age of 13 to the UN back in 1992 some 30 years ago?

It was the exact same tactic of putting a child up front to push through an agenda based on questionable science, the desired outcomes of which would have wide-reaching political and societal implications. By using a child to convey the message it is harder for those who don't agree with the conclusions to question it so openly. Because if they do ill-informed white knights like your good self ride in on the topic shooting down anyone daring to question what is being said, simply because of who is saying it.

In this instance, Greta is even more bullet-proof because she has Aspergers.

I don’t understand the spoilt brat comments

Her mother gave up her career as an international singer because Greta didn't want her to fly. She sailed across the Atlantic in a €15M boat (incidentally creating more carbon emissions than if she had flown with one chaperone) to lecture a room full of world leaders. She decided at 14 that she would strike from school because of climate change and instead of being reprimanded for playing hooky became held up as an international green-icon. She gave the US president's back a dirty look and it was worldwide news and she has been nominated for a Nobel peace prize whilst bringing zero solutions to the table. Of course, she is spoilt.

Again just for the record I really, really do feel for her and it is clear that she is being exploited for an ideological purpose and that is incredibly sad.

because you and others are too thick to see global warming is happening.there's barely a scientist out there that denies

Hmmm... there's actually quite a few https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_s ... al_warming

But the more important conversation is around how much of climate change is man-made and this is where the science really isn't as rock-solid as people would have you believe. People aren't thick for questioning inconclusive evidence. That's kinda the whole point of the scientific method.



Look, to be fair, I am sure you are coming at this with the best of intentions. Defending a young girl you do not know from criticism is a noble thing to do. Equally wanting people to do more to protect the planet is an admirable goal.

But the topic is far, far more complex than the likes of Thunberg and Extinction Rebellion make out - as I and others have gone into in a bit more detail earlier in the thread. The implications of much of the rhetoric coming from that direction would cripple the developing world and lock them into pretty much eternal poverty - this is just one such example of why we need to be able to challenge her/their message robustly rather than simply accept emotive speeches without question.

However, going on the offensive, calling people thick and racist, even suggesting police should be called for expressing a perfectly valid opinion - this brings nothing of value to the conversation.

Scientists change their minds every couple of years they said ozone layer will grow and grow its actually smallest for many years! As for her and rebellion they are directing their assault on wrong countries they should be going to India China Brazil ect and telling those countries to cut their emissions! UK can go to zero wont do fck all for climate change if India ect ect continues to ignore climate pollution in their countries. But somehow cannot see them going to those countries to protest....

OK, I couldn't resist biting at this flurry of posts. I've kept it to one long post though rather than filling the thread up with loads more posts on the same stuff...

id expect this kind of crap from Swansea fans

it’s rubbish like this that creates racists because while racism is 100% wrong as everyone’s equal

whether someone’s black,gay,fat,a woman,a goth,got a “condition” or disability,if you single them out because of it then it’s discrimination

So in just your first post, you make a sweeping judgement on a whole bunch of people based on the club they support whilst going on a crusade about how we should treat everyone the same, regardless of disability, skin colour or anything else.

You do see the hypocrisy there, right?

to be commenting on the way a disabled girl looks and acts just because you disagree with her message ,to practically bully and discriminate her behaviour

OK I agree with you here that people shouldn't criticise the way she looks because of her Aspergers.

However, I've looked back across the whole thread and from those criticising her the overwhelming majority, myself included, seem to be critical of her message, and in the main also go to lengths to point out she is being manipulated and it is those behind her including her parents that should be under-fire. I may be wrong as I only skimmed back through everything but I didn't see anyone criticising her simply on the way she looks or attacking her for having a disability?

How is Aspergers not a disability? that’s is the dumbest comment I have ever read

I would disagree, like others have, that she is disabled. I have Bi-Polar and to a lesser degree OCD, which both share an awful lot of cross over with Aspergers particularly in the social functioning aspects for me personally. (Like needing to respond in detail to your posts like this for example!) For a long time I considered it a disability, and reframing that to understand that I just function differently to the norm (not that Norms), was not only liberating but actually allowed me to really harness the way my brain works to begin achieving a lot of cool stuff.

You are correct that you can claim disability allowance for Aspergers, but it is a spectrum. Vaguely, it is the same as someone one person with a really bad back injury may never be able to work again and thus need support whilst another person with a less severe back injury may be fine doing a desk job and not need/nor qualify for disability. Basically, not all people with Aspergers are disabled, same as not all people with a bad back are disabled.

I’m not the first person in this thread to have an issue with bringing nazis into it.

Nope, your not and has been explained many times, comparing the Nazis use of children in propaganda to another use of children in propaganda really isn't a particularly terrible thing.

It's really not anyone else's fault that you aren't able to distinguish between comparing forms of propaganda and calling Thunberg a Nazi so it's not really fair to have a go at people for what to be blunt, is your own intellectual failings.

To make the same comparison in a way that you might find less offensive, we could instead compare it to Severn Cullis-Suzuki who made pretty much an identical speech to Thunberg at the age of 13 to the UN back in 1992 some 30 years ago?

It was the exact same tactic of putting a child up front to push through an agenda based on questionable science, the desired outcomes of which would have wide-reaching political and societal implications. By using a child to convey the message it is harder for those who don't agree with the conclusions to question it so openly. Because if they do ill-informed white knights like your good self ride in on the topic shooting down anyone daring to question what is being said, simply because of who is saying it.

In this instance, Greta is even more bullet-proof because she has Aspergers.

I don’t understand the spoilt brat comments

Her mother gave up her career as an international singer because Greta didn't want her to fly. She sailed across the Atlantic in a €15M boat (incidentally creating more carbon emissions than if she had flown with one chaperone) to lecture a room full of world leaders. She decided at 14 that she would strike from school because of climate change and instead of being reprimanded for playing hooky became held up as an international green-icon. She gave the US president's back a dirty look and it was worldwide news and she has been nominated for a Nobel peace prize whilst bringing zero solutions to the table. Of course, she is spoilt.

Again just for the record I really, really do feel for her and it is clear that she is being exploited for an ideological purpose and that is incredibly sad.

because you and others are too thick to see global warming is happening.there's barely a scientist out there that denies

Hmmm... there's actually quite a few https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_s ... al_warming

But the more important conversation is around how much of climate change is man-made and this is where the science really isn't as rock-solid as people would have you believe. People aren't thick for questioning inconclusive evidence. That's kinda the whole point of the scientific method.



Look, to be fair, I am sure you are coming at this with the best of intentions. Defending a young girl you do not know from criticism is a noble thing to do. Equally wanting people to do more to protect the planet is an admirable goal.

But the topic is far, far more complex than the likes of Thunberg and Extinction Rebellion make out - as I and others have gone into in a bit more detail earlier in the thread. The implications of much of the rhetoric coming from that direction would cripple the developing world and lock them into pretty much eternal poverty - this is just one such example of why we need to be able to challenge her/their message robustly rather than simply accept emotive speeches without question.

However, going on the offensive, calling people thick and racist, even suggesting police should be called for expressing a perfectly valid opinion - this brings nothing of value to the conversation.

It’s bit hypocritical judging all fans of a team but my point is I expected better of Cardiff fans.i rarely go to Swansea because people aren’t that nice,I’m english but want to move to Cardiff because everyone’s so nice,even had a free ticket to the Liverpool game last season that’s how nice Cardiff fans are.
However I did say if you want to be horrible to someone based on a choice ie football team or political votes that’s fair enough but anything that can’t be helped that’s when it becomes cruel because a Swansea fan expects to be picked on by Cardiff fans or tories expect a Lib Dem to hate them ,it’s choice who to support it’s not choice to be black gay or disabled etc.

saying she looks/acts strange that’s because she pulls faces which are highly likely to be aspergers related,so is her somcalled tantrums.
As for her being manipulated That’s only a crazy rumour that’s only just started since her pulling a face at trump which any normal person would have done.im not saying she’s not normal,simply you’d have to be not normal to not be angry at trump upstaging a global warming debate.
again experts said it,not my opinion.where as her being manipulated is barely even a opinion it’s just repeating what one person said now it’s in the in thing to say ,weirdly only mostly by global warming deniers so kind of proves my point.

actually any form of illness mental or physical is a disability.if you have a finger tip missing it’s a disability,disabled doesn’t mean paralysed in a wheelchair.anything that makes you “different” to a 100% healthy person it’s then a disability.
It’s not even a opinion it’s fact,I even googled to check as you had me doubting myself.
I understand what your saying but I 100% understand aspergers and autism and know it’s a spectrum but so is disability.
I’ve honestly never heard anyone say mild aspergers isn’t a disability,whether someone identifies as disabled is their choice but medically it’s a disability regardless of how they identify.
OCD and especially bipolar are disabilities,I had a cousin with bipolar and she identified as disabled,I have scoliosis and From the day I was born till the day she sadly died she felt close to me as we are 2 of the only disabled people In the family.
If you choose not to be called disabled that’s upto you ,it’s anyones choice what to be called.
Where as a bad back can just be a injury,a injury isn’t a disability,unless it’s a permanent one ie missing a small finger tip.

but regarding the nazi thing ,that only holds water for those that believe that she’s being used or forced.she seems very determined and intelligent and I doubt she could be manipulated.but nazis is still a extreme comparison even if it is true,and if it helps the planet and improves hers and my future and future generations then I don’t care how they go about it.just pumping out gas and petrol and plastic just isn’t going to be sustainable for long.its just sad that if it’s true that people need to use a young disabled woman to get the message across which should have been believed and dealt with before I was born and I’m 32.

the world leaders need lectured,that doesn’t make her spoilt,that makes her smart and passionate.and plenty of families don’t want others to do stuff.im 32 and only this year starting travelling alone because my parents didn’t want me travelling alone.
as for the look she gave trump,again “experts” have said even without aspergers that’s a normal reaction for someone passionate about a subject being upstaged by someone who’s anti that subject.
I’d have looked worse than her as would anyone with any decent morals ,if she hadn’t looked like that I wouldn’t have believed she genuinely cares about global warming.im only disappointed she didn’t add it to her speech to rant about him being there being that was disgusting of him turning up and proves he’s a spoilt child,not her,
How many solutions do people want,the same solutions have been around for 30 years,there’s still new homes being built that aren’t “green”, no solar panels,still not enough wind farms tidal energy etc,not enough effort out into reducing plastic or charging points for electric cars,
Her message is that leaders have solutions so stop messing around and implement them,she deserves every prize going,her and extinction rebellion deserve medals as they are heroes.

people are thick to argue it’s not mad made so why try,what have we got to lose? So we use electric cars,solar panels etc and turns out global warming is unaffected ,what have we lost? plastic waste I mean Disney Paris giving plastic cutlery for breakfast while In a restaurant they should be ashamed.shops wrap plastic items in plastic it’s beyind control,it’s killing animals nevermind the planet.we can’t lose anything by at least trying,I’d sooner we did stuff and turn out to be wrong then ignore it and turn out to be right,everyone arguing it’s their life’s and their kids and grandkids etc at risk equally the same.if there’s the slimmest chance it will help,again what’s the harm,what are we losing by trying.

Well yes I e defended greta multiple times on Facebook as has some of my fellow town councillors who back me 100% with defending her.as I said I’d defend anyone even strangers,if I see a man shouting at a woman I’ll intervene,even being short and disabled,I do have best intentions even when wrong,but I notmonlh passionate about people believing global warming but having scoliosis and having had a cousin with bipolar and friends I feel protective of all disabled people but equally anyone who’s “different” ,as I said,I’m annoyed people deny climate change is man made but to say a girl with aspergers is acting or looks strange is taking it to far just to push an agenda of denying man made global warming.
Just say I don’t believe what she says,don’t attack someone’s looks.
I’ve argued for climate change long before I’d heard of greta,I’m defending her personally,happy to defend global warming elsewhere such as showing support for extinction rebellion and their great protests such as the boat near the castle.

I just read today that Jesy from little mix tried killing herself over bullies calling her fat/ugly.from her first audition I fancied her and she was the best looking by a mile,the others are too skinny and full of make up.she was natural,but nasty words nearly cost her her life.im sure greta will be fine but if people use derogatory language about disabled people it won’t be long till it’s used in the street to someone or direct on Facebook and that might push someone over the edge.

if people question scientists that must be thick,it’s not greta or extinction rebellion giving facts,they’ve existed for decades,what more proof do people need.
and the police was in reference to the nazis,again someone else thought the same not me.technically the police could be called for nasty comments about disability.i had police called on me for saying everyone in Paris was rude but that was based on fact because I’d been for a third time and all 3 times everyone was rude,queue jumping,pushing past etc,it’s not racist,was simply expressing my opinion of what I had personally witnessed and experienced.somif I can have police called on me for that I think any nazi reference at least questioned.
if people want to say every scientist is wrong they can do so without insults.if I’m not allowed to say ignoring scientists is thick then surely calling a girl strange and a brat and bringing nazis into it is going much further than simply saying someone must be thick to think every scientist is wrong.or even behaviour experts who say she’s not a brat but acting normal.
even my mam said don’t argue with people if they want to be thick it’s not worth it,people just like to be nasty and arguing is just what they want.but looks like I didn’t listen and argued anyway.

I wasn’t trying to bring value or claim to be anything special,was simply expressing my disappointment that fellow city fans are insulting a disabled girl just to prove a point they deny global warming/climate change

,was simply expressing my disappointment that fellow city fans are insulting a disabled girl just to prove a point they deny global warming/climate change

OK matey - look I appreciate the long response I cut the quote short above just to save space but I genuinely do appreciate your taking the time to respond. Like I said there is nothing wrong with defending a young lass if you feel she is under attack and I can see some of this is close to your heart. So fair play to you for being passionate about what you believe in

The one thing I would ask of you though is that if you read through the thread again - I honestly really don't think anyone has criticised her for her looks or picked on her disability, just questioned what she is saying. Elsewhere like on facebook or twitter that might not have been the case but here on this board, those criticising her have been fairly objective and criticised the message and not attacked her personally.

I am reading some comments on here and am amazed at those that have either not read my original post properly or do what Liberals do and that is try to find a way to use that word RACIST. For the life of me I don’t know how Racist can be used in this thread but that’s the modern left for you.
So some have got really upset and been in search of a safe space to have a cry. Now the word Nazi Fascist And Far Right are used freely by the left but if used by others they go into meltdown.
Now if you read my OP again I am not saying she is a Nazi no I was referring to the fact the Nazis used children to spread there propaganda. Please learn to read.
Saying that I am making fun of Greta ? No again please re read or get someone to read it for you. I have actually said they are using her and basically have no thought to her well being.
Now I have mentioned that her parents are ANTIFA supporters. Now I don’t know if you know anything about this group but do your own homework. But I do feel her parents has an agenda.
Now those saying those who dispute what we are being told about man made climate change are thick etc ? Well it’s a debate and we can think for ourselves. Man made climate change is a tool for the establishment to rake in the cash. Yes I believe there is climate change but it’s 100% natural common sense tells me that, and Climate change has always happened and will continue to do so, but it will have shit all to do with man or woman or the other 98 genders we are also being told is fact.
And to the one who was saying he is in two minds to call the police I have no real words for that fool. Please do because you will make yourself look a right tool you so obviously are.
To the rest that have debated sensibly those that agree with me or not it’s been a good thread 80% of it, just ruined by leftists who honestly believe there opinion is the only one that matters and everyone else’s is wrong evil or Fascist.

I am reading some comments on here and am amazed at those that have either not read my original post properly or do what Liberals do and that is try to find a way to use that word RACIST. For the life of me I don’t know how Racist can be used in this thread but that’s the modern left for you.
So some have got really upset and been in search of a safe space to have a cry. Now the word Nazi Fascist And Far Right are used freely by the left but if used by others they go into meltdown.
Now if you read my OP again I am not saying she is a Nazi no I was referring to the fact the Nazis used children to spread there propaganda. Please learn to read.
Saying that I am making fun of Greta ? No again please re read or get someone to read it for you. I have actually said they are using her and basically have no thought to her well being.
Now I have mentioned that her parents are ANTIFA supporters. Now I don’t know if you know anything about this group but do your own homework. But I do feel her parents has an agenda.
Now those saying those who dispute what we are being told about man made climate change are thick etc ? Well it’s a debate and we can think for ourselves. Man made climate change is a tool for the establishment to rake in the cash. Yes I believe there is climate change but it’s 100% natural common sense tells me that, and Climate change has always happened and will continue to do so, but it will have shit all to do with man or woman or the other 98 genders we are also being told is fact.
And to the one who was saying he is in two minds to call the police I have no real words for that fool. Please do because you will make yourself look a right tool you so obviously are.
To the rest that have debated sensibly those that agree with me or not it’s been a good thread 80% of it, just ruined by leftists who honestly believe there opinion is the only one that matters and everyone else’s is wrong evil or Fascist.

I may not agree with everything you said, but you are perfectly entitled to voice your opinion just as everyone else does. I can't say any of your comments were particularly over the top, and I can see what you were getting at. Unfortunately, we now have the snowflake generation who look for problems that are not always there, and who can always find a way of being upset with almost anything said. I have been called a lot of things during my life, and I can honestly say I have not lost a moments sleep over it. If someone wishes to call me an old fat white git, fire away. It won't bother me in the slightest. I have far more important things going on in my life than to worry about what amounts to no more than words.

And anyone still want to say to me that Children are not being brainwashed in our schools ? This one believes we should eat the Babies now
https://www.facebook.com/510415066/post ... 67?sfns=mo

And anyone still want to say to me that Children are not being brainwashed in our schools ? This one believes we should eat the Babies now
https://www.facebook.com/510415066/post ... 67?sfns=mo

I honestly hope that girl is the greatest trolls in all history. Sadly, I think she might be genuine. Seriously, I can't tell anymore.

And anyone still want to say to me that Children are not being brainwashed in our schools ? This one believes we should eat the Babies now
https://www.facebook.com/510415066/post ... 67?sfns=mo

I honestly hope that girl is the greatest trolls in all history. Sadly, I think she might be genuine. Seriously, I can't tell anymore.

I'd sooner have a chicken vindaloo myself, but each to their own I suppose.

And anyone still want to say to me that Children are not being brainwashed in our schools ? This one believes we should eat the Babies now
https://www.facebook.com/510415066/post ... 67?sfns=mo

I honestly hope that girl is the greatest trolls in all history. Sadly, I think she might be genuine. Seriously, I can't tell anymore.

They even believe we have only two months left. Does those that promote this shit realise the damage they are doing to these kids. Ok any kids on here in two Months time our Planet will still be turning, there will still be air to breath we will not all die in an apocalyptic flood. But I can’t promise that Brexit will be done though
But if there was only two months left would the establishment be worried about Brexit ? Would the banks be giving out mortgages, Liverpool would come to the realisation that they can never win the Premiere League and it’s now pointless Neil Warnock retiring.

Ok any kids on here in two Months time our Planet will still be turning, there will still be air to breath we will not all die in an apocalyptic flood. But I can’t promise that Brexit will be done though

Post of the year that!

I’ve a science background, and was taught to question everything. People who believe lock stock what the scientific community publishes should read ‘ Bad Science’ or perhaps an extract or two from it. You’ll become aware of mass manipulation and how dangerous that is.

The basic science behind global warming is probably sound imo, just the reaction and end points vary. The planet will continue anyway but as usual, media drive everything into overdrive. Throw in ‘send three n’ fourpence’ and we get the varied wild claims and bluff. The girl is used.
There are positives to global warming, but if I post them here I’ll be branded a Nazi. I’d never call the police tho’.