Would you vote to scrap the Welsh Assembly?

They come across as a bunch of idiots playing politics while wasting our money on ridiculous projects. I'd scrap it tomorrow.

What are these 'ridiculous projects'?

Carwyn Jones spent £10,000 hiring a plane so he could watch Wales v England at the Euros.

Ever thought of putting all these criticisms in one post?

Sprinkler systems must be installed in every, New Build House. No such rule in England.

All Landlords in Wales to do a course, get a License and register their properties. No such rule in England.

Lowest exam results in the U.K.

Longest waiting lists in the NHS.

In my opinion the Welsh Assembly have not improved anything for the people of Wales and is just a waste of money.

If there was a vote on it, I would vote to scrap it.

I would scrap it ,Jones are wood are useless

Leanne Wood is not part of the Welsh Government.

So here and her partys vote isn5 deciding now labour don't have a majority?

They do have a majority. Labour don't have to count on Plaid's support to get things through now, given that Dafydd Elis-Thomas has pledged to support the government for the rest of the current Assembly term: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-38371425

Sprinkler systems must be installed in every, New Build House. No such rule in England.

All Landlords in Wales to do a course, get a License and register their properties. No such rule in England.

Lowest exam results in the U.K.

Longest waiting lists in the NHS.

In my opinion the Welsh Assembly have not improved anything for the people of Wales and is just a waste of money.

If there was a vote on it, I would vote to scrap it.

I would scrap it ,Jones are wood are useless

Leanne Wood is not part of the Welsh Government.

So here and her partys vote isn5 deciding now labour don't have a majority?

Keep up with things man, Labour do have a majority at the assembly!

I thought Labour had 29 of the 60 AM's. I may be wrong as I have little interest in the Welsh Government, but I was under the impression that they did not have a majority following the last election.

You are right and they need woods vote to pass anything

Your obsession with Leanne Wood really is beginning to get quite weird. Anyway, no, they don't need her vote to pass things. Why single out her? Why not any of the other Plaid AMs?

I thought Labour had 29 of the 60 AM's. I may be wrong as I have little interest in the Welsh Government, but I was under the impression that they did not have a majority following the last election.

You are right and they need woods vote to pass anything

Haven't they got Kirsty williams on side as education minister, and now Dafydd Elis Thomas has thrown his toys our of the pram and is an independent.

Correct!

She may be onside at the minute, but as she is not a member of the labour party I am not sure how this gives them a majority. I thought in order to have a majority one particular party has to have 51% of the AM's sitting at the Welsh Assembly. I know deals are made with other parties in an attempt to have a combined majority, as we have recently witnesses with the Conservative Lib Dem alliance. Surely this does not mean that Labour now have a majority in Cardiff Bay. Is it not the case that Labour still has 29 AM's, and do not have a majority but are reliant on the help of others to get their bills passed. As I say, I have no big interest in the Welsh Assembly, and stand to be corrected.

What has her not being a member of Welsh Labour got to do with it? She's onside permanently. She's the Education Secretary, she's part of the Cabinet, part of the Government. There is no doubt about it.

Along with Dafydd Elis-Thomas pledging to support the government for the rest of the Assembly term, the government now have a majority in the Assembly and no longer require the support of Plaid to get things through.

Give the Sennedd Law making powers equal to Scotland, Northern Ireland even Jersey & Isle of Mann have these powers as well their own Sterling notes. We will forever be a principality of the Saes if we roll over and give up on the Senedd. Just look of the state of of Infrastructure for Transport one Motorway, no Trams, no underground, if you want to travel to North Wales you have to tackle the ever winding A470 not to mention getting there by rail, even Aberystwyth you have to leave Wales by rail. The Assembly gets more grants from the EU for roads than Westminster. Westminster rearranged our history whilst abolishing our language via use of "Welsh Not" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_Not. And they continue to brainwash us into being patriotic to a foreign Monarchy waving Union Jacks which do not even acknowledge any Welsh representation in its design. Most people think this guy is a Quack the establishment hate him,but you cannot deny he`s well read in his research always quoting the books and authors he mentions give him a whirl in Podcast way as he doesn`t use charts or texts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GOcttn4VwE FREE WALES

Abolishing your language, absolute rubbish the language you call Welsh was widely spoken in many parts of Britian but died out and was superseded by other languages. Currently Welsh is being forced down our throats on BBC Wales, a noisy minority want everyone in the Public Sector to learn it, schoolchildren forced to learn it and they aspire to 1,000,000 Welsh speakers by 2020.
Do you really think that's the best use of tax payers money, standards in English, Maths and Science have to be raised in Wales and should be prioritised long before an ancient language that will encourage no inward investment. This blinkered insular decisive thinking is holding Wales back.

It hasn't 'died out'. It's no 'dead language'. This myth which continues to be perpetuated and says that this decline in the numbers of Welsh speakers is somehow natural or organic is bullshit. It's not.

As expected, the rest of your post is pretty standard anti-Welsh fare with all the usual crackpot conspiracy theories and myths. You really should do some research before mouthing off. The Welsh Government has set a target of a million Welsh speakers by 2050, not 2020. That's thirty years' difference.

Give the Sennedd Law making powers equal to Scotland, Northern Ireland even Jersey & Isle of Mann have these powers as well their own Sterling notes. We will forever be a principality of the Saes if we roll over and give up on the Senedd. Just look of the state of of Infrastructure for Transport one Motorway, no Trams, no underground, if you want to travel to North Wales you have to tackle the ever winding A470 not to mention getting there by rail, even Aberystwyth you have to leave Wales by rail. The Assembly gets more grants from the EU for roads than Westminster. Westminster rearranged our history whilst abolishing our language via use of "Welsh Not" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_Not. And they continue to brainwash us into being patriotic to a foreign Monarchy waving Union Jacks which do not even acknowledge any Welsh representation in its design. Most people think this guy is a Quack the establishment hate him,but you cannot deny he`s well read in his research always quoting the books and authors he mentions give him a whirl in Podcast way as he doesn`t use charts or texts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GOcttn4VwE FREE WALES

Abolishing your language, absolute rubbish the language you call Welsh was widely spoken in many parts of Britian but died out and was superseded by other languages. Currently Welsh is being forced down our throats on BBC Wales, a noisy minority want everyone in the Public Sector to learn it, schoolchildren forced to learn it and they aspire to 1,000,000 Welsh speakers by 2020.
Do you really think that's the best use of tax payers money, standards in English, Maths and Science have to be raised in Wales and should be prioritised long before an ancient language that will encourage no inward investment. This blinkered insular decisive thinking is holding Wales back.

It hasn't 'died out'. It's no 'dead language'. This myth which continues to be perpetuated and says that this decline in the numbers of Welsh speakers is somehow natural or organic is bullshit. It's not.

As expected, the rest of your post is pretty standard anti-Welsh fare with all the usual crackpot conspiracy theories and myths. You really should do some research before mouthing off. The Welsh Government has set a target of a million Welsh speakers by 2050, not 2020. That's thirty years' difference.

I heard somebody speaking Welsh in Tesco on Saturday. Stuck in my mind because it was the first time I had heard Welsh in many months. Took lessons myself not so long ago (paid for by my employers), but unless you can find someone to converse with regularly it is not easy to make progress. Unfortunately, I have no family or friends who speak it. In fact. I only know one person who is fluent in Welsh and she lives in Carmarthen so I'm knackered.

Give the Sennedd Law making powers equal to Scotland, Northern Ireland even Jersey & Isle of Mann have these powers as well their own Sterling notes. We will forever be a principality of the Saes if we roll over and give up on the Senedd. Just look of the state of of Infrastructure for Transport one Motorway, no Trams, no underground, if you want to travel to North Wales you have to tackle the ever winding A470 not to mention getting there by rail, even Aberystwyth you have to leave Wales by rail. The Assembly gets more grants from the EU for roads than Westminster. Westminster rearranged our history whilst abolishing our language via use of "Welsh Not" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_Not. And they continue to brainwash us into being patriotic to a foreign Monarchy waving Union Jacks which do not even acknowledge any Welsh representation in its design. Most people think this guy is a Quack the establishment hate him,but you cannot deny he`s well read in his research always quoting the books and authors he mentions give him a whirl in Podcast way as he doesn`t use charts or texts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GOcttn4VwE FREE WALES

Abolishing your language, absolute rubbish the language you call Welsh was widely spoken in many parts of Britian but died out and was superseded by other languages. Currently Welsh is being forced down our throats on BBC Wales, a noisy minority want everyone in the Public Sector to learn it, schoolchildren forced to learn it and they aspire to 1,000,000 Welsh speakers by 2020.
Do you really think that's the best use of tax payers money, standards in English, Maths and Science have to be raised in Wales and should be prioritised long before an ancient language that will encourage no inward investment. This blinkered insular decisive thinking is holding Wales back.

It hasn't 'died out'. It's no 'dead language'. This myth which continues to be perpetuated and says that this decline in the numbers of Welsh speakers is somehow natural or organic is bullshit. It's not.

As expected, the rest of your post is pretty standard anti-Welsh fare with all the usual crackpot conspiracy theories and myths. You really should do some research before mouthing off. The Welsh Government has set a target of a million Welsh speakers by 2050, not 2020. That's thirty years' difference.

My wife and kids are Welsh and you accuse me of posting anti Welsh Fare, what a half primed rocket you are, my point is the amount of money spent on the language could be better spent elsewhere. I've lived in and around Barry for over 40years and never found an inability to converse in Welsh a disadvantage.

Just another point, how weak and spineless do you have to be to vote to be governed from another country?

Manchester, a region, has policing devolved, how little self respect must you have to say that Wales, our nation, should not. Personally, I think it redefines the word 'pathetic'. I've noticed the word 'cuck' is popular online amongst right wingers, vot.ng to abolish the Assembly would make you a cuck to London

I suppose a lot of people in Wales also class themselves as British.

Gareth Bale is wasted on Wales he could be Captain Team GB they could win the World Cup. The British Lions could win against Ireland, France, Italy & Roumania in the new 5 Nations and beat southern hemisphere nations in important "Test Matches". That makes me feel ill as a Welsh Man. Losing the Senedd or the WPL would affect our National Teams status, so why risk that? Manchester = Infrastructure, Overground, Trams Motorways, multiple A Roads.

Why should losing the Senedd affect our teams. We were playing the home nations in rugby and the football home internationals at the end of every season long before the Welsh assembly was ever thought of. The idea of a GB team has been brought up loads of times, before and since the Welsh Assembly. As has been the case in the past, none of the home nations are interested in giving up their individual sporting status.

Point is, either we are a nation and act like all other nations (and have our own institutions, like sporting a team and parliament) or we are a region of England. A vote to abolish would be such a ridiculous act of self loathing we would have no right to have national sports teams.

If we are going to slit our own throats, we may as well bleed out and die. On the other hand, if you think we are a region of England, or less, go ahead

To be clear, that doesn't mean we can't compete as Lions or Team GB, or mean we should be independent politically. Personally, as someone pro devo, there are certain things I would see no point in being devolved.

We can be a nation within the wider British state and have power exercised at a Welsh level too

They come across as a bunch of idiots playing politics while wasting our money on ridiculous projects. I'd scrap it tomorrow.

What are these 'ridiculous projects'?

The Welsh Assembly have 5 Chauffeur driven cars which have cost £1,800,000 over the last 5 years.

And Westminster don't do the same? Or the Scottish Parliament? Or the Northern Irish Assembly? The Welsh Assembly isn't alone in that respect.

So, will you criticise the other legislatures in the UK? Or just the Welsh Assembly? Come on, hypocrisy is not a virtue.

UK Pm has its own plane ffs- this costs 100x more than a fecking Volvo (yes Volvo, not a Jag like U.K. Ministers)

Also, on the Carwyn getting a plane to the football, he was ordered to do so by the security services. Fact.

Just another point, how weak and spineless do you have to be to vote to be governed from another country?

Manchester, a region, has policing devolved, how little self respect must you have to say that Wales, our nation, should not. Personally, I think it redefines the word 'pathetic'. I've noticed the word 'cuck' is popular online amongst right wingers, vot.ng to abolish the Assembly would make you a cuck to London

I suppose a lot of people in Wales also class themselves as British.

Gareth Bale is wasted on Wales he could be Captain Team GB they could win the World Cup. The British Lions could win against Ireland, France, Italy & Roumania in the new 5 Nations and beat southern hemisphere nations in important "Test Matches". That makes me feel ill as a Welsh Man. Losing the Senedd or the WPL would affect our National Teams status, so why risk that? Manchester = Infrastructure, Overground, Trams Motorways, multiple A Roads.

Why should losing the Senedd affect our teams. We were playing the home nations in rugby and the football home internationals at the end of every season long before the Welsh assembly was ever thought of. The idea of a GB team has been brought up loads of times, before and since the Welsh Assembly. As has been the case in the past, none of the home nations are interested in giving up their individual sporting status.

Point is, either we are a nation and act like all other nations (and have our own institutions, like sporting a team and parliament) or we are a region of England. A vote to abolish would be such a ridiculous act of self loathing we would have no right to have national sports teams.

If we are going to slit our own throats, we may as well bleed out and die. On the other hand, if you think we are a region of England, or less, go ahead

To be clear, that doesn't mean we can't compete as Lions or Team GB, or mean we should be independent politically. Personally, as someone pro devo, there are certain things I would see no point in being devolved.

We can be a nation within the wider British state and have power exercised at a Welsh level too

The Welsh Assembly is a fairly modern institution, formed in only the last seventeen or eighteen years. What were we before this was formed. Most of us considered Wales to be a nation then, and we were all proud to be Welsh. The formation of the Assembly did not make me a prouder Welshman than I already was. Through my job prior to retirement, I got to know several AM's, a couple of whom are still in touch with me. It is because I know them that has made me very sceptical of the Welsh Assembly.

Give the Sennedd Law making powers equal to Scotland, Northern Ireland even Jersey & Isle of Mann have these powers as well their own Sterling notes. We will forever be a principality of the Saes if we roll over and give up on the Senedd. Just look of the state of of Infrastructure for Transport one Motorway, no Trams, no underground, if you want to travel to North Wales you have to tackle the ever winding A470 not to mention getting there by rail, even Aberystwyth you have to leave Wales by rail. The Assembly gets more grants from the EU for roads than Westminster. Westminster rearranged our history whilst abolishing our language via use of "Welsh Not" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_Not. And they continue to brainwash us into being patriotic to a foreign Monarchy waving Union Jacks which do not even acknowledge any Welsh representation in its design. Most people think this guy is a Quack the establishment hate him,but you cannot deny he`s well read in his research always quoting the books and authors he mentions give him a whirl in Podcast way as he doesn`t use charts or texts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GOcttn4VwE FREE WALES

Abolishing your language, absolute rubbish the language you call Welsh was widely spoken in many parts of Britian but died out and was superseded by other languages. Currently Welsh is being forced down our throats on BBC Wales, a noisy minority want everyone in the Public Sector to learn it, schoolchildren forced to learn it and they aspire to 1,000,000 Welsh speakers by 2020.
Do you really think that's the best use of tax payers money, standards in English, Maths and Science have to be raised in Wales and should be prioritised long before an ancient language that will encourage no inward investment. This blinkered insular decisive thinking is holding Wales back.

It hasn't 'died out'. It's no 'dead language'. This myth which continues to be perpetuated and says that this decline in the numbers of Welsh speakers is somehow natural or organic is bullshit. It's not.

As expected, the rest of your post is pretty standard anti-Welsh fare with all the usual crackpot conspiracy theories and myths. You really should do some research before mouthing off. The Welsh Government has set a target of a million Welsh speakers by 2050, not 2020. That's thirty years' difference.

My wife and kids are Welsh and you accuse me of posting anti Welsh Fare, what a half primed rocket you are, my point is the amount of money spent on the language could be better spent elsewhere. I've lived in and around Barry for over 40years and never found an inability to converse in Welsh a disadvantage.

I spent a considerable amount of time trying to learn it Jock, but never progressed beyond a very basic level. I can't say that failing to succeed to learn Welsh has had any adverse affect on me. I am obviously aware that it is of practically no use to me outside of this small country of ours, and not of any particular use to me inside of Wales. I am able to converse with everyone despite the fact I only have a limited Welsh vocabulary. It is because I do not come across many Welsh speakers that I was unable to practice my Welsh with anyone other than those in my Welsh classes. I am all for encouraging the Welsh language for those like me who wish to learn it, but it does not make someone a worse person, or less Welsh just because somebody can't speak it.

Give the Sennedd Law making powers equal to Scotland, Northern Ireland even Jersey & Isle of Mann have these powers as well their own Sterling notes. We will forever be a principality of the Saes if we roll over and give up on the Senedd. Just look of the state of of Infrastructure for Transport one Motorway, no Trams, no underground, if you want to travel to North Wales you have to tackle the ever winding A470 not to mention getting there by rail, even Aberystwyth you have to leave Wales by rail. The Assembly gets more grants from the EU for roads than Westminster. Westminster rearranged our history whilst abolishing our language via use of "Welsh Not" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_Not. And they continue to brainwash us into being patriotic to a foreign Monarchy waving Union Jacks which do not even acknowledge any Welsh representation in its design. Most people think this guy is a Quack the establishment hate him,but you cannot deny he`s well read in his research always quoting the books and authors he mentions give him a whirl in Podcast way as he doesn`t use charts or texts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GOcttn4VwE FREE WALES

Abolishing your language, absolute rubbish the language you call Welsh was widely spoken in many parts of Britian but died out and was superseded by other languages. Currently Welsh is being forced down our throats on BBC Wales, a noisy minority want everyone in the Public Sector to learn it, schoolchildren forced to learn it and they aspire to 1,000,000 Welsh speakers by 2020.
Do you really think that's the best use of tax payers money, standards in English, Maths and Science have to be raised in Wales and should be prioritised long before an ancient language that will encourage no inward investment. This blinkered insular decisive thinking is holding Wales back.

It hasn't 'died out'. It's no 'dead language'. This myth which continues to be perpetuated and says that this decline in the numbers of Welsh speakers is somehow natural or organic is bullshit. It's not.

As expected, the rest of your post is pretty standard anti-Welsh fare with all the usual crackpot conspiracy theories and myths. You really should do some research before mouthing off. The Welsh Government has set a target of a million Welsh speakers by 2050, not 2020. That's thirty years' difference.

My wife and kids are Welsh and you accuse me of posting anti Welsh Fare, what a half primed rocket you are, my point is the amount of money spent on the language could be better spent elsewhere. I've lived in and around Barry for over 40years and never found an inability to converse in Welsh a disadvantage.

I spent a considerable amount of time trying to learn it Jock, but never progressed beyond a very basic level. I can't say that failing to succeed to learn Welsh has had any adverse affect on me. I am obviously aware that it is of practically no use to me outside of this small country of ours, and not of any particular use to me inside of Wales. I am able to converse with everyone despite the fact I only have a limited Welsh vocabulary. It is because I do not come across many Welsh speakers that I was unable to practice my Welsh with anyone other than those in my Welsh classes. I am all for encouraging the Welsh language for those like me who wish to learn it, but it does not make someone a worse person, OR LESS WELSH just because somebody can't speak it.

That's exactly my point, I can't fault you for wanting to learn Welsh, sounds as if it was about as successful as my Spanish classes.
I did learn Me Cago en tu puta madre, can't say that's going to help me make friends on holiday though

Give the Sennedd Law making powers equal to Scotland, Northern Ireland even Jersey & Isle of Mann have these powers as well their own Sterling notes. We will forever be a principality of the Saes if we roll over and give up on the Senedd. Just look of the state of of Infrastructure for Transport one Motorway, no Trams, no underground, if you want to travel to North Wales you have to tackle the ever winding A470 not to mention getting there by rail, even Aberystwyth you have to leave Wales by rail. The Assembly gets more grants from the EU for roads than Westminster. Westminster rearranged our history whilst abolishing our language via use of "Welsh Not" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_Not. And they continue to brainwash us into being patriotic to a foreign Monarchy waving Union Jacks which do not even acknowledge any Welsh representation in its design. Most people think this guy is a Quack the establishment hate him,but you cannot deny he`s well read in his research always quoting the books and authors he mentions give him a whirl in Podcast way as he doesn`t use charts or texts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GOcttn4VwE FREE WALES

Abolishing your language, absolute rubbish the language you call Welsh was widely spoken in many parts of Britian but died out and was superseded by other languages. Currently Welsh is being forced down our throats on BBC Wales, a noisy minority want everyone in the Public Sector to learn it, schoolchildren forced to learn it and they aspire to 1,000,000 Welsh speakers by 2020.
Do you really think that's the best use of tax payers money, standards in English, Maths and Science have to be raised in Wales and should be prioritised long before an ancient language that will encourage no inward investment. This blinkered insular decisive thinking is holding Wales back.

It hasn't 'died out'. It's no 'dead language'. This myth which continues to be perpetuated and says that this decline in the numbers of Welsh speakers is somehow natural or organic is bullshit. It's not.

As expected, the rest of your post is pretty standard anti-Welsh fare with all the usual crackpot conspiracy theories and myths. You really should do some research before mouthing off. The Welsh Government has set a target of a million Welsh speakers by 2050, not 2020. That's thirty years' difference.

I heard somebody speaking Welsh in Tesco on Saturday. Stuck in my mind because it was the first time I had heard Welsh in many months. Took lessons myself not so long ago (paid for by my employers), but unless you can find someone to converse with regularly it is not easy to make progress. Unfortunately, I have no family or friends who speak it. In fact. I only know one person who is fluent in Welsh and she lives in Carmarthen so I'm knackered.

This is the massive problem facing Welsh learners (and to a lesser degree, fluent Welsh speakers themselves) - nobody much to talk with because they live in areas with comparatively low numbers of speakers. There are more and more Welsh-language centres nowadays which are a help, but with some of them, like in the case of Yr Hen Lyfrgell (the Old Library in the Hayes) which opened nearly a year ago, people aren't very aware of them and Yr Hen Lyfrgell in particular doesn't look like a 'typical' Welsh centre (not that all of them look identical) from the outside. The colonnaded exterior of the building is obviously unlike most other Welsh centres or most buildings in Cardiff which may be a problem.

Give the Sennedd Law making powers equal to Scotland, Northern Ireland even Jersey & Isle of Mann have these powers as well their own Sterling notes. We will forever be a principality of the Saes if we roll over and give up on the Senedd. Just look of the state of of Infrastructure for Transport one Motorway, no Trams, no underground, if you want to travel to North Wales you have to tackle the ever winding A470 not to mention getting there by rail, even Aberystwyth you have to leave Wales by rail. The Assembly gets more grants from the EU for roads than Westminster. Westminster rearranged our history whilst abolishing our language via use of "Welsh Not" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_Not. And they continue to brainwash us into being patriotic to a foreign Monarchy waving Union Jacks which do not even acknowledge any Welsh representation in its design. Most people think this guy is a Quack the establishment hate him,but you cannot deny he`s well read in his research always quoting the books and authors he mentions give him a whirl in Podcast way as he doesn`t use charts or texts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GOcttn4VwE FREE WALES

Abolishing your language, absolute rubbish the language you call Welsh was widely spoken in many parts of Britian but died out and was superseded by other languages. Currently Welsh is being forced down our throats on BBC Wales, a noisy minority want everyone in the Public Sector to learn it, schoolchildren forced to learn it and they aspire to 1,000,000 Welsh speakers by 2020.
Do you really think that's the best use of tax payers money, standards in English, Maths and Science have to be raised in Wales and should be prioritised long before an ancient language that will encourage no inward investment. This blinkered insular decisive thinking is holding Wales back.

It hasn't 'died out'. It's no 'dead language'. This myth which continues to be perpetuated and says that this decline in the numbers of Welsh speakers is somehow natural or organic is bullshit. It's not.

As expected, the rest of your post is pretty standard anti-Welsh fare with all the usual crackpot conspiracy theories and myths. You really should do some research before mouthing off. The Welsh Government has set a target of a million Welsh speakers by 2050, not 2020. That's thirty years' difference.

I heard somebody speaking Welsh in Tesco on Saturday. Stuck in my mind because it was the first time I had heard Welsh in many months. Took lessons myself not so long ago (paid for by my employers), but unless you can find someone to converse with regularly it is not easy to make progress. Unfortunately, I have no family or friends who speak it. In fact. I only know one person who is fluent in Welsh and she lives in Carmarthen so I'm knackered.

This is the massive problem facing Welsh learners (and to a lesser degree, fluent Welsh speakers themselves) - nobody much to talk with because they live in areas with comparatively low numbers of speakers. There are more and more Welsh-language centres nowadays which are a help, but with some of them, like in the case of Yr Hen Lyfrgell (the Old Library in the Hayes) which opened nearly a year ago, people aren't very aware of them and Yr Hen Lyfrgell in particular doesn't look like a 'typical' Welsh centre (not that all of them look identical) from the outside. The colonnaded exterior of the building is obviously unlike most other Welsh centres or most buildings in Cardiff which may be a problem.

I probably found it more difficult to learn, because I originally took lessons up to O'Levels, and was surprised to find that a lot of the basics had changed over time.

Give the Sennedd Law making powers equal to Scotland, Northern Ireland even Jersey & Isle of Mann have these powers as well their own Sterling notes. We will forever be a principality of the Saes if we roll over and give up on the Senedd. Just look of the state of of Infrastructure for Transport one Motorway, no Trams, no underground, if you want to travel to North Wales you have to tackle the ever winding A470 not to mention getting there by rail, even Aberystwyth you have to leave Wales by rail. The Assembly gets more grants from the EU for roads than Westminster. Westminster rearranged our history whilst abolishing our language via use of "Welsh Not" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_Not. And they continue to brainwash us into being patriotic to a foreign Monarchy waving Union Jacks which do not even acknowledge any Welsh representation in its design. Most people think this guy is a Quack the establishment hate him,but you cannot deny he`s well read in his research always quoting the books and authors he mentions give him a whirl in Podcast way as he doesn`t use charts or texts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GOcttn4VwE FREE WALES

Abolishing your language, absolute rubbish the language you call Welsh was widely spoken in many parts of Britian but died out and was superseded by other languages. Currently Welsh is being forced down our throats on BBC Wales, a noisy minority want everyone in the Public Sector to learn it, schoolchildren forced to learn it and they aspire to 1,000,000 Welsh speakers by 2020.
Do you really think that's the best use of tax payers money, standards in English, Maths and Science have to be raised in Wales and should be prioritised long before an ancient language that will encourage no inward investment. This blinkered insular decisive thinking is holding Wales back.

It hasn't 'died out'. It's no 'dead language'. This myth which continues to be perpetuated and says that this decline in the numbers of Welsh speakers is somehow natural or organic is bullshit. It's not.

As expected, the rest of your post is pretty standard anti-Welsh fare with all the usual crackpot conspiracy theories and myths. You really should do some research before mouthing off. The Welsh Government has set a target of a million Welsh speakers by 2050, not 2020. That's thirty years' difference.

My wife and kids are Welsh and you accuse me of posting anti Welsh Fare, what a half primed rocket you are, my point is the amount of money spent on the language could be better spent elsewhere. I've lived in and around Barry for over 40years and never found an inability to converse in Welsh a disadvantage.

Well, of course you haven't, because Barry is only 11.1% Welsh-speaking according to the last census.

Again, you're confusing me criticising you for perpetuating bullshit myths with the validity of you and your family's Welsh nationality. Not sure why.

They come across as a bunch of idiots playing politics while wasting our money on ridiculous projects. I'd scrap it tomorrow.

What are these 'ridiculous projects'?

The Welsh Assembly have 5 Chauffeur driven cars which have cost £1,800,000 over the last 5 years.

And Westminster don't do the same? Or the Scottish Parliament? Or the Northern Irish Assembly? The Welsh Assembly isn't alone in that respect.

So, will you criticise the other legislatures in the UK? Or just the Welsh Assembly? Come on, hypocrisy is not a virtue.

UK Pm has its own plane ffs- this costs 100x more than a fecking Volvo (yes Volvo, not a Jag like U.K. Ministers)

Also, on the Carwyn getting a plane to the football, he was ordered to do so by the security services. Fact.

There was criticism of UK Government ministers (Michael Gove among them) using ministerial cars for distances that were eminently walkable about four years ago, but 'Magners' chooses to ignore that waste and direct his criticism instead on our National Assembly. Hypocrisy, plain and simple.

As for Carwyn, you're right if I recall correctly. A Welsh Government spokeswoman at the time said (in response to Neil Hamilton and other critics - Hamilton said something about he should've used the Eurostar instead, without mentioning the other engagement he was going to): “The First Minister flew from Cardiff to Lille on Thursday to attend the Wales v England match before travelling to Glasgow later that day for a meeting with representatives from the British Irish Council.

“Following security advice, and for practical reasons, a small turbo-prop plane was used which ensured the First Minister was able to represent Wales at both events. This would not have been possible using alternative travel options.”

Sounds like pretty sound reasoning to me. After all, he is the First Minister. And £9,500 is nothing, really.

Just another point, how weak and spineless do you have to be to vote to be governed from another country?

Manchester, a region, has policing devolved, how little self respect must you have to say that Wales, our nation, should not. Personally, I think it redefines the word 'pathetic'. I've noticed the word 'cuck' is popular online amongst right wingers, vot.ng to abolish the Assembly would make you a cuck to London

I suppose a lot of people in Wales also class themselves as British.

Gareth Bale is wasted on Wales he could be Captain Team GB they could win the World Cup. The British Lions could win against Ireland, France, Italy & Roumania in the new 5 Nations and beat southern hemisphere nations in important "Test Matches". That makes me feel ill as a Welsh Man. Losing the Senedd or the WPL would affect our National Teams status, so why risk that? Manchester = Infrastructure, Overground, Trams Motorways, multiple A Roads.

Why should losing the Senedd affect our teams. We were playing the home nations in rugby and the football home internationals at the end of every season long before the Welsh assembly was ever thought of. The idea of a GB team has been brought up loads of times, before and since the Welsh Assembly. As has been the case in the past, none of the home nations are interested in giving up their individual sporting status.

Point is, either we are a nation and act like all other nations (and have our own institutions, like sporting a team and parliament) or we are a region of England. A vote to abolish would be such a ridiculous act of self loathing we would have no right to have national sports teams.

If we are going to slit our own throats, we may as well bleed out and die. On the other hand, if you think we are a region of England, or less, go ahead

To be clear, that doesn't mean we can't compete as Lions or Team GB, or mean we should be independent politically. Personally, as someone pro devo, there are certain things I would see no point in being devolved.

We can be a nation within the wider British state and have power exercised at a Welsh level too

The Welsh Assembly is a fairly modern institution, formed in only the last seventeen or eighteen years. What were we before this was formed. Most of us considered Wales to be a nation then, and we were all proud to be Welsh. The formation of the Assembly did not make me a prouder Welshman than I already was. Through my job prior to retirement, I got to know several AM's, a couple of whom are still in touch with me. It is because I know them that has made me very sceptical of the Welsh Assembly.

Fair enough, but just because a few AMs were in your view a bit dodgy doesn't mean that all of them are.

Any clues as to who they were?

100% waste of space and time,a bunch of fat cats with their noses firmly entrenched in the trough,nothing wrong with the Welsh Office to look after our affairs,every time the Scots do something extreme these clowns try something similar.
Turn it into a beer hall or something useful.

Just another point, how weak and spineless do you have to be to vote to be governed from another country?

Manchester, a region, has policing devolved, how little self respect must you have to say that Wales, our nation, should not. Personally, I think it redefines the word 'pathetic'. I've noticed the word 'cuck' is popular online amongst right wingers, vot.ng to abolish the Assembly would make you a cuck to London

I suppose a lot of people in Wales also class themselves as British.

Gareth Bale is wasted on Wales he could be Captain Team GB they could win the World Cup. The British Lions could win against Ireland, France, Italy & Roumania in the new 5 Nations and beat southern hemisphere nations in important "Test Matches". That makes me feel ill as a Welsh Man. Losing the Senedd or the WPL would affect our National Teams status, so why risk that? Manchester = Infrastructure, Overground, Trams Motorways, multiple A Roads.

Why should losing the Senedd affect our teams. We were playing the home nations in rugby and the football home internationals at the end of every season long before the Welsh assembly was ever thought of. The idea of a GB team has been brought up loads of times, before and since the Welsh Assembly. As has been the case in the past, none of the home nations are interested in giving up their individual sporting status.

Point is, either we are a nation and act like all other nations (and have our own institutions, like sporting a team and parliament) or we are a region of England. A vote to abolish would be such a ridiculous act of self loathing we would have no right to have national sports teams.

If we are going to slit our own throats, we may as well bleed out and die. On the other hand, if you think we are a region of England, or less, go ahead

To be clear, that doesn't mean we can't compete as Lions or Team GB, or mean we should be independent politically. Personally, as someone pro devo, there are certain things I would see no point in being devolved.

We can be a nation within the wider British state and have power exercised at a Welsh level too

The Welsh Assembly is a fairly modern institution, formed in only the last seventeen or eighteen years. What were we before this was formed. Most of us considered Wales to be a nation then, and we were all proud to be Welsh. The formation of the Assembly did not make me a prouder Welshman than I already was. Through my job prior to retirement, I got to know several AM's, a couple of whom are still in touch with me. It is because I know them that has made me very sceptical of the Welsh Assembly.

Fair enough, but just because a few AMs were in your view a bit dodgy doesn't mean that all of them are.

Any clues as to who they were?

No clues as I am still in contact with some of them. Lets just say I consider them to be career politicians who don't particularly care about any of us on this forum. In it purely for the decent standard of living that their salaries and expenses can provide. I know someone who was an out and out SDP member (obviously a while back), and hated everything the labour party stood for. When it became apparent that she would never win anything by standing for the SDP, being a Welsh person contesting a staunch Labour constintuency, guess which party she now represents.

Give the Sennedd Law making powers equal to Scotland, Northern Ireland even Jersey & Isle of Mann have these powers as well their own Sterling notes. We will forever be a principality of the Saes if we roll over and give up on the Senedd. Just look of the state of of Infrastructure for Transport one Motorway, no Trams, no underground, if you want to travel to North Wales you have to tackle the ever winding A470 not to mention getting there by rail, even Aberystwyth you have to leave Wales by rail. The Assembly gets more grants from the EU for roads than Westminster. Westminster rearranged our history whilst abolishing our language via use of "Welsh Not" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_Not. And they continue to brainwash us into being patriotic to a foreign Monarchy waving Union Jacks which do not even acknowledge any Welsh representation in its design. Most people think this guy is a Quack the establishment hate him,but you cannot deny he`s well read in his research always quoting the books and authors he mentions give him a whirl in Podcast way as he doesn`t use charts or texts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GOcttn4VwE FREE WALES

Abolishing your language, absolute rubbish the language you call Welsh was widely spoken in many parts of Britian but died out and was superseded by other languages. Currently Welsh is being forced down our throats on BBC Wales, a noisy minority want everyone in the Public Sector to learn it, schoolchildren forced to learn it and they aspire to 1,000,000 Welsh speakers by 2020.
Do you really think that's the best use of tax payers money, standards in English, Maths and Science have to be raised in Wales and should be prioritised long before an ancient language that will encourage no inward investment. This blinkered insular decisive thinking is holding Wales back.

It hasn't 'died out'. It's no 'dead language'. This myth which continues to be perpetuated and says that this decline in the numbers of Welsh speakers is somehow natural or organic is bullshit. It's not.

As expected, the rest of your post is pretty standard anti-Welsh fare with all the usual crackpot conspiracy theories and myths. You really should do some research before mouthing off. The Welsh Government has set a target of a million Welsh speakers by 2050, not 2020. That's thirty years' difference.

My wife and kids are Welsh and you accuse me of posting anti Welsh Fare, what a half primed rocket you are, my point is the amount of money spent on the language could be better spent elsewhere. I've lived in and around Barry for over 40years and never found an inability to converse in Welsh a disadvantage.

Well, of course you haven't, because Barry is only 11.1% Welsh-speaking according to the last census.

Again, you're confusing me criticising you for perpetuating bullshit myths with the validity of you and your family's Welsh nationality. Not sure why.

11% may speak a bit of Welsh but are you seriously trying to tell me if I walk round the town over 10% of the conversations I hear will be in Welsh. I have no problem with anyone learning Welsh, I just object to paying for it. Do you really think paying everyone in the bloated Welsh Public Sector to learn Welsh is a good use of taxes, wouldn't it benefit the country far more if it was spent on raising standards in our schools, in core subjects. Since the assembly opened the language is being rammed down everyone's throat, it really is a bizarre priority.

100% waste of space and time,a bunch of fat cats with their noses firmly entrenched in the trough,nothing wrong with the Welsh Office to look after our affairs,every time the Scots do something extreme these clowns try something similar.
Turn it into a beer hall or something useful.

It's not the Scots, it's the Natz, Sturgeon doesn't speak for all Scots, that's why we're still part of the UK, your point stands though.

100% waste of space and time,a bunch of fat cats with their noses firmly entrenched in the trough,nothing wrong with the Welsh Office to look after our affairs,every time the Scots do something extreme these clowns try something similar.
Turn it into a beer hall or something useful.

So you'd like to see this again? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzBq0n8dxFQ

Devolution is a much better system than Wales being ruled by a Secretary of State and two under-secretaries.

Give the Sennedd Law making powers equal to Scotland, Northern Ireland even Jersey & Isle of Mann have these powers as well their own Sterling notes. We will forever be a principality of the Saes if we roll over and give up on the Senedd. Just look of the state of of Infrastructure for Transport one Motorway, no Trams, no underground, if you want to travel to North Wales you have to tackle the ever winding A470 not to mention getting there by rail, even Aberystwyth you have to leave Wales by rail. The Assembly gets more grants from the EU for roads than Westminster. Westminster rearranged our history whilst abolishing our language via use of "Welsh Not" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_Not. And they continue to brainwash us into being patriotic to a foreign Monarchy waving Union Jacks which do not even acknowledge any Welsh representation in its design. Most people think this guy is a Quack the establishment hate him,but you cannot deny he`s well read in his research always quoting the books and authors he mentions give him a whirl in Podcast way as he doesn`t use charts or texts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GOcttn4VwE FREE WALES

Abolishing your language, absolute rubbish the language you call Welsh was widely spoken in many parts of Britian but died out and was superseded by other languages. Currently Welsh is being forced down our throats on BBC Wales, a noisy minority want everyone in the Public Sector to learn it, schoolchildren forced to learn it and they aspire to 1,000,000 Welsh speakers by 2020.
Do you really think that's the best use of tax payers money, standards in English, Maths and Science have to be raised in Wales and should be prioritised long before an ancient language that will encourage no inward investment. This blinkered insular decisive thinking is holding Wales back.

It hasn't 'died out'. It's no 'dead language'. This myth which continues to be perpetuated and says that this decline in the numbers of Welsh speakers is somehow natural or organic is bullshit. It's not.

As expected, the rest of your post is pretty standard anti-Welsh fare with all the usual crackpot conspiracy theories and myths. You really should do some research before mouthing off. The Welsh Government has set a target of a million Welsh speakers by 2050, not 2020. That's thirty years' difference.

My wife and kids are Welsh and you accuse me of posting anti Welsh Fare, what a half primed rocket you are, my point is the amount of money spent on the language could be better spent elsewhere. I've lived in and around Barry for over 40years and never found an inability to converse in Welsh a disadvantage.

Well, of course you haven't, because Barry is only 11.1% Welsh-speaking according to the last census.

Again, you're confusing me criticising you for perpetuating bullshit myths with the validity of you and your family's Welsh nationality. Not sure why.

11% may speak a bit of Welsh but are you seriously trying to tell me if I walk round the town over 10% of the conversations I hear will be in Welsh. I have no problem with anyone learning Welsh, I just object to paying for it. Do you really think paying everyone in the bloated Welsh Public Sector to learn Welsh is a good use of taxes, wouldn't it benefit the country far more if it was spent on raising standards in our schools, in core subjects. Since the assembly opened the language is being rammed down everyone's throat, it really is a bizarre priority.

I suppose not but those were the figures. Of course, the one thing the census doesn't do is measure how well or rather, how fluently one can speak the language. So the census may be overestimating or underestimating the number who can speak the language, but it's better than nothing, I suppose.

As a first-language Welsh speaker myself, I really do take issue with this thing that 'the language is being rammed down everyone's throat'. You should read this, it'll shatter that myth: https://whywelsh.wordpress.com/2013/08/ ... r-throats/

I see the shouty Taffia brigade have infiltrated here as well.

It seems the snowflake Taffia who are social media savvy just drown out normal sane thinking people by shouting louder and harder than everyone else - you can usually see this on social media and fora as they end up overshouting each other and continue on for sometime after most sane people ave given up and moved on.

The shame being is they believe their self perpetuating rubbish and that is how we are stuck with the white elephant of Cardiff Airport and Carwyn's darkroom fiddlers massaging the figures and other such 'vanity' projects for the Taffia.

Independent reports at the time stated cardiff Airport was worth about £20-30m - yet Carwyn and the Taffia boyos thought it prudent to blow just over DOUBLE the mid point figure on it at £52m!!

Compulsory Welsh language lessons in comps are a joke - most Yr 10/Yr11 kids don't want it forced down their throats and see compulsory Welsh lessons as a chance to piss about, sleep or complete homework from other subjects - some will resign themselves to going through the motions and pay it lip service but I've yet to see a kid in a compulsory Welsh lesson actually want to really do well in it - either that or they kept their powder very dry and hidden.

I am not particularly pro Welsh or anti Welsh language. I have taken Welsh lessons, but as I have previously said in this thread I never made any great progress as I was unable to find anyone who I could speak to in Welsh outside of my Welsh study group. I have never really though of it as being rammed down my throat, either when I was in school or since. I admit that our Welsh teachers were quite vocal, and very enthusiastic about the language, but that is their choice and it had no real effect on pupils.
I wanted to learn it for personal reasons and the fact that I am Welsh and live in Wales. Succeeding or failing was never going to make me a better or a worse Welshman. I accepted that the language was going to be of absolutely no use to me outside Wales, and was not going to be of any particular benefit to me inside Wales. I think everybody is entitled to decide whether or not they wish to be a Welsh speaker, and there is no reason really for an argument on the pros and cons of Welsh, it should be entirely down to personal choice.
I am not sure if the language should be compulsory in schools up to a certain age, You could argue that French is (or was when I was in school), so perhaps Welsh should be as well. I think a lot of people were turned against the language many years ago when small groups of idiots went around spraying road signs, and setting fire to cottages just because they were owned by people from outside Wales. Probably a bit unfair to be anti Welsh language because of a few nutters who had nothing more constructive to do with their time. I do not believe that anyone should be setting targets for the number of Welsh speakers by 2050, because to do so is likely to end up in adding pressure rather than making this a personal choice for people, and could be perceived as having it forced onto us and end up having the opposite effect. I believe the target is one million, but I do not believe for one minute that we will ever see one in three people who will be able to, or even want to speak Welsh.
As far as the Welsh Assembly is concerned, my personal view is that it is a total waste of our money, but I appreciate that there a plenty out there who have the opposite view.

Bushy, dear Bushy....forgiven, for you know not what you say..

Stopping English funding, Wales would be crippled within a month. No schools, hospitals, police - nothing, because no-one would be paid. The Senedd is a disaster for Wales, supported by a gog minority that no-one else in Wales has any time for, they slag off the English all year, then put out the begging bowl.

Clwb Ifor Bach is like being in an episode of Ivor the Engine - but without the laughs.

Bow to the Crown and watch a yank explain things https://youtu.be/rNu8XDBSn10

Anyone know how much tax revenue is currently generated in Wales in comparison to how much Wales receives from Westminster each year. I don't know the present figure, but the last figures I saw was around 9 billion pounds more received from the government than was raised in taxes here. We don't appear to have much to export now the service sector has replaced all our heavy industry (apart from call centres and charity shops).

Here is a exert from the Government-Expenditure-and-Revenue-Wales-2016.Unlike some countries, the UK does not produce intra-UK fiscal accounts. In the absence of such reports,the other devolved administrations of the UK have long-established publications that provide respective estimated sets of public sector fiscal accounts, namely Government Expenditure and Revenue Scotland(GERS) and the Northern Ireland Net Fiscal Balance Report. Government Expenditure and Revenue Wales
aims to replicate these publications to provide a comprehensive overview of public sector finances for Wales, including an estimate of Wales’ net fiscal balance over time. Check it out as PDF it might take a while to cipher any hard facts http://sites.cardiff.ac.uk/wgc/files/20 ... s-2016.pdf

Give the Sennedd Law making powers equal to Scotland, Northern Ireland even Jersey & Isle of Mann have these powers as well their own Sterling notes. We will forever be a principality of the Saes if we roll over and give up on the Senedd. Just look of the state of of Infrastructure for Transport one Motorway, no Trams, no underground, if you want to travel to North Wales you have to tackle the ever winding A470 not to mention getting there by rail, even Aberystwyth you have to leave Wales by rail. The Assembly gets more grants from the EU for roads than Westminster. Westminster rearranged our history whilst abolishing our language via use of "Welsh Not" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_Not. And they continue to brainwash us into being patriotic to a foreign Monarchy waving Union Jacks which do not even acknowledge any Welsh representation in its design. Most people think this guy is a Quack the establishment hate him,but you cannot deny he`s well read in his research always quoting the books and authors he mentions give him a whirl in Podcast way as he doesn`t use charts or texts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GOcttn4VwE FREE WALES

Abolishing your language, absolute rubbish the language you call Welsh was widely spoken in many parts of Britian but died out and was superseded by other languages. Currently Welsh is being forced down our throats on BBC Wales, a noisy minority want everyone in the Public Sector to learn it, schoolchildren forced to learn it and they aspire to 1,000,000 Welsh speakers by 2020.
Do you really think that's the best use of tax payers money, standards in English, Maths and Science have to be raised in Wales and should be prioritised long before an ancient language that will encourage no inward investment. This blinkered insular decisive thinking is holding Wales back.

It hasn't 'died out'. It's no 'dead language'. This myth which continues to be perpetuated and says that this decline in the numbers of Welsh speakers is somehow natural or organic is bullshit. It's not.

As expected, the rest of your post is pretty standard anti-Welsh fare with all the usual crackpot conspiracy theories and myths. You really should do some research before mouthing off. The Welsh Government has set a target of a million Welsh speakers by 2050, not 2020. That's thirty years' difference.

My wife and kids are Welsh and you accuse me of posting anti Welsh Fare, what a half primed rocket you are, my point is the amount of money spent on the language could be better spent elsewhere. I've lived in and around Barry for over 40years and never found an inability to converse in Welsh a disadvantage.

Well, of course you haven't, because Barry is only 11.1% Welsh-speaking according to the last census.

Again, you're confusing me criticising you for perpetuating bullshit myths with the validity of you and your family's Welsh nationality. Not sure why.

11% may speak a bit of Welsh but are you seriously trying to tell me if I walk round the town over 10% of the conversations I hear will be in Welsh. I have no problem with anyone learning Welsh, I just object to paying for it. Do you really think paying everyone in the bloated Welsh Public Sector to learn Welsh is a good use of taxes, wouldn't it benefit the country far more if it was spent on raising standards in our schools, in core subjects. Since the assembly opened the language is being rammed down everyone's throat, it really is a bizarre priority.

I suppose not but those were the figures. Of course, the one thing the census doesn't do is measure how well or rather, how fluently one can speak the language. So the census may be overestimating or underestimating the number who can speak the language, but it's better than nothing, I suppose.

As a first-language Welsh speaker myself, I really do take issue with this thing that 'the language is being rammed down everyone's throat'. You should read this, it'll shatter that myth: https://whywelsh.wordpress.com/2013/08/ ... r-throats/

I see you ducked the point about the money spunked on Welsh being better spent on core subjects.

100% waste of space and time,a bunch of fat cats with their noses firmly entrenched in the trough,nothing wrong with the Welsh Office to look after our affairs,every time the Scots do something extreme these clowns try something similar.
Turn it into a beer hall or something useful.

Hi Ninianman, If you want to quote "100% waste of space and time,a bunch of fat cats with their noses firmly entrenched in the trough" try the house of Lords before attacking the Senedd whose elected Members only have Wales`s best interests to keep them in a job. While as a Family now known as "Windsor" only came into being in 1917 after the events of First World War they chose to change their name (after their favourite paid by the State Castle) from their previous Germanic title of " Saxe-Coburg-Gotha" after fears from the peoples over throwing of the Russian Monarchy they appeared to Anglo-size themselves to prevent a similar revolution . The Queen is the Head of State in Commonwealth Countries who possesses the power to dismiss and appoint all new Prime Minsters and Parliament Members ( e.g Australia 1975), she can command Armed Forces, refuse Parliamentary Legislation and pardon committed Criminals,In these foreign lands where her subservient`s must swear allegiance to her and not the people who elected them, this includes not just Politicians but Lawyers, Judges & Police. The Crown Estate Leaseholds property to the Businessmen of the Commonwealth and this cash never makes it to the UK Treasury and yet the "UK" remains in a Financial deficit .She speaks to every elected Prime Minster once a week since her reign,not to mention old our good old " Prince of Wales" Charlie boys ( One of the richest Business men in the UK who has his own Tax Haven in Cornwall) continuous letters to the Prime Ministers for decades both of which are not part of the freedom of information act until a lengthy legal battle with the Guardian newspaper which was taken to the Supreme Court at the UK Treasuries expense, which broke a milestone in 2015 https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... egislation (still can`t touch the queen though) I could go on and on about allegations in Jersey,Vancouver, and her close friendship to Jimmy Saville and Mount Batton but this debate is about the Senedd remaining to exist, So I will try leaving the Monarchy out of this discussion though I have mentioned them just to quote your words "100% waste of space and time,a bunch of fat cats with their noses firmly entrenched in the trough" , do you honestly trust the House of Lords as a better use of Tax payers money than the Senedd, this is not a Language topic (not that you mentioned it) its the about the future of Wales, do we just jest about being "The England Haters" or are we actually a entity of our own equal to the other members of the UK?

100% waste of space and time,a bunch of fat cats with their noses firmly entrenched in the trough,nothing wrong with the Welsh Office to look after our affairs,every time the Scots do something extreme these clowns try something similar.
Turn it into a beer hall or something useful.

Hi Ninianman, If you want to quote "100% waste of space and time,a bunch of fat cats with their noses firmly entrenched in the trough" try the house of Lords before attacking the Senedd whose elected Members only have Wales`s best interests to keep them in a job. While as a Family now known as "Windsor" only came into being in 1917 after the events of First World War they chose to change their name (after their favourite paid by the State Castle) from their previous Germanic title of " Saxe-Coburg-Gotha" after fears from the peoples over throwing of the Russian Monarchy they appeared to Anglo-size themselves to prevent a similar revolution . The Queen is the Head of State in Commonwealth Countries who possesses the power to dismiss and appoint all new Prime Minsters and Parliament Members ( e.g Australia 1975), she can command Armed Forces, refuse Parliamentary Legislation and pardon committed Criminals,In these foreign lands where her subservient`s must swear allegiance to her and not the people who elected them, this includes not just Politicians but Lawyers, Judges & Police. The Crown Estate Leaseholds property to the Businessmen of the Commonwealth and this cash never makes it to the UK Treasury and yet the "UK" remains in a Financial deficit .She speaks to every elected Prime Minster once a week since her reign,not to mention old our good old " Prince of Wales" Charlie boys ( One of the richest Business men in the UK who has his own Tax Haven in Cornwall) continuous letters to the Prime Ministers for decades both of which are not part of the freedom of information act until a lengthy legal battle with the Guardian newspaper which was taken to the Supreme Court at the UK Treasuries expense, which broke a milestone in 2015 https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... egislation (still can`t touch the queen though) I could go on and on about allegations in Jersey,Vancouver, and her close friendship to Jimmy Saville and Mount Batton but this debate is about the Senedd remaining to exist, So I will try leaving the Monarchy out of this discussion though I have mentioned them just to quote your words "100% waste of space and time,a bunch of fat cats with their noses firmly entrenched in the trough" , do you honestly trust the House of Lords as a better use of Tax payers money than the Senedd, this is not a Language topic (not that you mentioned it) its the about the future of Wales, do we just jest about being "The England Haters" or are we actually a entity of our own equal to the other members of the UK?

The fact other bodies, organisations or groups are self serving parasites doesn't change anything, the assembly is full of clowns more interested in feathering their own nests than looking after the needs of the people of Wales. You work/worked in the public sector, didn't you?

100% waste of space and time,a bunch of fat cats with their noses firmly entrenched in the trough,nothing wrong with the Welsh Office to look after our affairs,every time the Scots do something extreme these clowns try something similar.
Turn it into a beer hall or something useful.

Fat cats that cost less than the ones we send to Westminster and the EU you mean.given the balance of power, you could also argue they do a lot more for less too

Recent ERS showed scrapping 11Mp/4Meps and adding 28 Ams would save us money!

Just know facts, once you do, you'll be alright