Tue Jan 26, 2016 9:38 pm
Splottlight wrote:JB1 wrote:Splottlight wrote:JB1 wrote:Question to Splottlight and Cwmbran.. you seem like reasonably intelligent people. Why do you think these gentlemen risked their lives to illegally enter the UK from another European country?
Which gentlemen soecifically? If you mean the large spectrum of women, men and children that have come to the UK then the answer is to seek a better life. Whether that be to escape poverty, bombing, oppression or the threat of murder - i think everybody should have the right to improve their lives. Annis is moving to Spain for example, why? Because it is a nicer climate and he feels his quality of life will imorove for him and his family. Good on him.
The gentlemen in the article who object to wearing said red wristbands.. However if your answer is 'to seek a better life' do you think we should allow anybody who seeks a better life into this country?
My answer was a multitude of things, to seek a better life was one such. If someone wishes to come to this country PURELY to seek a better life for their families then id like to think they would need a certain level of qualification to prove they can do a certain jib better than our homegrown counterpart. Do you believe Annis should be allowed into Spain?
Tue Jan 26, 2016 9:44 pm
JB1 wrote:Splottlight wrote:JB1 wrote:Splottlight wrote:JB1 wrote:Question to Splottlight and Cwmbran.. you seem like reasonably intelligent people. Why do you think these gentlemen risked their lives to illegally enter the UK from another European country?
Which gentlemen soecifically? If you mean the large spectrum of women, men and children that have come to the UK then the answer is to seek a better life. Whether that be to escape poverty, bombing, oppression or the threat of murder - i think everybody should have the right to improve their lives. Annis is moving to Spain for example, why? Because it is a nicer climate and he feels his quality of life will imorove for him and his family. Good on him.
The gentlemen in the article who object to wearing said red wristbands.. However if your answer is 'to seek a better life' do you think we should allow anybody who seeks a better life into this country?
My answer was a multitude of things, to seek a better life was one such. If someone wishes to come to this country PURELY to seek a better life for their families then id like to think they would need a certain level of qualification to prove they can do a certain jib better than our homegrown counterpart. Do you believe Annis should be allowed into Spain?
If that is your answer, why do you support these gentlemen who have entered this illegally, from Cameroon and other stable countries?
I believe anybody should be allowed to enter into another country, as long as they do so legally. I would hope that Annis has a passport and a legal entitlement to remain in Spain, should he wish to do so.
Tue Jan 26, 2016 10:10 pm
Splottlight wrote:When have I supported them doing this? I have no idea who is illegal and who isnt, and neither do you. Cameroon has an insurgency problem with Boko Haram which is basically a faction of ISIS. You have no idea what these guys are running from.
I have simply stated their ethincicity doesnt mean they are terrorists, scum, rapists or murderers. Simple.
Tue Jan 26, 2016 10:12 pm
Splottlight wrote:JB1 wrote:Splottlight wrote:JB1 wrote:Splottlight wrote:JB1 wrote:Question to Splottlight and Cwmbran.. you seem like reasonably intelligent people. Why do you think these gentlemen risked their lives to illegally enter the UK from another European country?
Which gentlemen soecifically? If you mean the large spectrum of women, men and children that have come to the UK then the answer is to seek a better life. Whether that be to escape poverty, bombing, oppression or the threat of murder - i think everybody should have the right to improve their lives. Annis is moving to Spain for example, why? Because it is a nicer climate and he feels his quality of life will imorove for him and his family. Good on him.
The gentlemen in the article who object to wearing said red wristbands.. However if your answer is 'to seek a better life' do you think we should allow anybody who seeks a better life into this country?
My answer was a multitude of things, to seek a better life was one such. If someone wishes to come to this country PURELY to seek a better life for their families then id like to think they would need a certain level of qualification to prove they can do a certain jib better than our homegrown counterpart. Do you believe Annis should be allowed into Spain?
If that is your answer, why do you support these gentlemen who have entered this illegally, from Cameroon and other stable countries?
I believe anybody should be allowed to enter into another country, as long as they do so legally. I would hope that Annis has a passport and a legal entitlement to remain in Spain, should he wish to do so.
When have I supported them doing this? I have no idea who is illegal and who isnt, and neither do you. Cameroon has an insurgency problem with Boko Haram which is basically a faction of ISIS. You have no idea what these guys are running from.
I have simply stated their ethincicity doesnt mean they are terrorists, scum, rapists or murderers. Simple.
Tue Jan 26, 2016 10:13 pm
Stan_B wrote:Splottlight wrote:When have I supported them doing this? I have no idea who is illegal and who isnt, and neither do you. Cameroon has an insurgency problem with Boko Haram which is basically a faction of ISIS. You have no idea what these guys are running from.
I have simply stated their ethincicity doesnt mean they are terrorists, scum, rapists or murderers. Simple.
Doesn't mean they are not either. Borders, passport controls and visas are there for a reason. How would you propose we risk assess migrants without any documentation....just take their word for it that they are not a murderer, rapist or a terrorist?
Tue Jan 26, 2016 10:17 pm
JB1 wrote:Splottlight wrote:JB1 wrote:Splottlight wrote:JB1 wrote:Splottlight wrote:JB1 wrote:Question to Splottlight and Cwmbran.. you seem like reasonably intelligent people. Why do you think these gentlemen risked their lives to illegally enter the UK from another European country?
Which gentlemen soecifically? If you mean the large spectrum of women, men and children that have come to the UK then the answer is to seek a better life. Whether that be to escape poverty, bombing, oppression or the threat of murder - i think everybody should have the right to improve their lives. Annis is moving to Spain for example, why? Because it is a nicer climate and he feels his quality of life will imorove for him and his family. Good on him.
The gentlemen in the article who object to wearing said red wristbands.. However if your answer is 'to seek a better life' do you think we should allow anybody who seeks a better life into this country?
My answer was a multitude of things, to seek a better life was one such. If someone wishes to come to this country PURELY to seek a better life for their families then id like to think they would need a certain level of qualification to prove they can do a certain jib better than our homegrown counterpart. Do you believe Annis should be allowed into Spain?
If that is your answer, why do you support these gentlemen who have entered this illegally, from Cameroon and other stable countries?
I believe anybody should be allowed to enter into another country, as long as they do so legally. I would hope that Annis has a passport and a legal entitlement to remain in Spain, should he wish to do so.
When have I supported them doing this? I have no idea who is illegal and who isnt, and neither do you. Cameroon has an insurgency problem with Boko Haram which is basically a faction of ISIS. You have no idea what these guys are running from.
I have simply stated their ethincicity doesnt mean they are terrorists, scum, rapists or murderers. Simple.
What countries don't have terrorist problems? The article refers to people entering the country 'in the belly of a lorry' from this I would deduce they have entered the country illegally, I couldn't imagine what they are running from in France. With scant regard for the law and ingrained cultural differences, I'd also imagine they'd be statistically more likely to commit crime.
Tue Jan 26, 2016 10:19 pm
Stan_B wrote:Splottlight wrote:When have I supported them doing this? I have no idea who is illegal and who isnt, and neither do you. Cameroon has an insurgency problem with Boko Haram which is basically a faction of ISIS. You have no idea what these guys are running from.
I have simply stated their ethincicity doesnt mean they are terrorists, scum, rapists or murderers. Simple.
Doesn't mean they are not either. Borders, passport controls and visas are there for a reason. How would you propose we risk assess migrants without any documentation....just take their word for it that they are not a murderer, rapist or a terrorist?
Tue Jan 26, 2016 10:25 pm
wez1927 wrote:Stan_B wrote:Splottlight wrote:When have I supported them doing this? I have no idea who is illegal and who isnt, and neither do you. Cameroon has an insurgency problem with Boko Haram which is basically a faction of ISIS. You have no idea what these guys are running from.
I have simply stated their ethincicity doesnt mean they are terrorists, scum, rapists or murderers. Simple.
Doesn't mean they are not either. Borders, passport controls and visas are there for a reason. How would you propose we risk assess migrants without any documentation....just take their word for it that they are not a murderer, rapist or a terrorist?
Exactly but spotlight thinks they are all poor refugees and we must help ,bugger national security
Tue Jan 26, 2016 10:29 pm
Splottlight wrote:wez1927 wrote:Stan_B wrote:Splottlight wrote:When have I supported them doing this? I have no idea who is illegal and who isnt, and neither do you. Cameroon has an insurgency problem with Boko Haram which is basically a faction of ISIS. You have no idea what these guys are running from.
I have simply stated their ethincicity doesnt mean they are terrorists, scum, rapists or murderers. Simple.
Doesn't mean they are not either. Borders, passport controls and visas are there for a reason. How would you propose we risk assess migrants without any documentation....just take their word for it that they are not a murderer, rapist or a terrorist?
Exactly but spotlight thinks they are all poor refugees and we must help ,bugger national security
The Government has decided we are to take 80,000 migrats, so yes we now must help 80,000 migrants. If you disagree then you have an issue with Cameron not the people who are doing what they are allowed to do in order to seek refuge from ISIS. However the issue i have with you is that you are painting these people as monsters which can only be racially motivated. The people in your workplace coukd be rapists, do you treat them as such? No.
Tue Jan 26, 2016 10:31 pm
Tue Jan 26, 2016 10:33 pm
Splottlight wrote:So the point has hit home that you are being hypocritical then, motivated solely on ethnicity.
Tue Jan 26, 2016 10:39 pm
wez1927 wrote:Splottlight wrote:So the point has hit home that you are being hypocritical then, motivated solely on ethnicity.
The point is you can't educate pork so I can't be bothered anymore debating with a terrorist sympathizer and British traitor like you
Tue Jan 26, 2016 10:47 pm
Splottlight wrote:JB1 wrote:Splottlight wrote:JB1 wrote:Splottlight wrote:JB1 wrote:Splottlight wrote:JB1 wrote:Question to Splottlight and Cwmbran.. you seem like reasonably intelligent people. Why do you think these gentlemen risked their lives to illegally enter the UK from another European country?
Which gentlemen soecifically? If you mean the large spectrum of women, men and children that have come to the UK then the answer is to seek a better life. Whether that be to escape poverty, bombing, oppression or the threat of murder - i think everybody should have the right to improve their lives. Annis is moving to Spain for example, why? Because it is a nicer climate and he feels his quality of life will imorove for him and his family. Good on him.
The gentlemen in the article who object to wearing said red wristbands.. However if your answer is 'to seek a better life' do you think we should allow anybody who seeks a better life into this country?
My answer was a multitude of things, to seek a better life was one such. If someone wishes to come to this country PURELY to seek a better life for their families then id like to think they would need a certain level of qualification to prove they can do a certain jib better than our homegrown counterpart. Do you believe Annis should be allowed into Spain?
If that is your answer, why do you support these gentlemen who have entered this illegally, from Cameroon and other stable countries?
I believe anybody should be allowed to enter into another country, as long as they do so legally. I would hope that Annis has a passport and a legal entitlement to remain in Spain, should he wish to do so.
When have I supported them doing this? I have no idea who is illegal and who isnt, and neither do you. Cameroon has an insurgency problem with Boko Haram which is basically a faction of ISIS. You have no idea what these guys are running from.
I have simply stated their ethincicity doesnt mean they are terrorists, scum, rapists or murderers. Simple.
What countries don't have terrorist problems? The article refers to people entering the country 'in the belly of a lorry' from this I would deduce they have entered the country illegally, I couldn't imagine what they are running from in France. With scant regard for the law and ingrained cultural differences, I'd also imagine they'd be statistically more likely to commit crime.
If i and my terror group was going to kill you and your family and you jumped in the luggage area of a plane and entered another country illegally, it diesnt mean you did the wrong thing. And it doesnt make you a threat to the public.
Interesting thoughts regarding crime statistics, did you make it up or actually look atnthem? Do you have the same statistics please?
Tue Jan 26, 2016 10:52 pm
JB1 wrote:Splottlight wrote:JB1 wrote:Splottlight wrote:JB1 wrote:Splottlight wrote:JB1 wrote:Splottlight wrote:JB1 wrote:Question to Splottlight and Cwmbran.. you seem like reasonably intelligent people. Why do you think these gentlemen risked their lives to illegally enter the UK from another European country?
Which gentlemen soecifically? If you mean the large spectrum of women, men and children that have come to the UK then the answer is to seek a better life. Whether that be to escape poverty, bombing, oppression or the threat of murder - i think everybody should have the right to improve their lives. Annis is moving to Spain for example, why? Because it is a nicer climate and he feels his quality of life will imorove for him and his family. Good on him.
The gentlemen in the article who object to wearing said red wristbands.. However if your answer is 'to seek a better life' do you think we should allow anybody who seeks a better life into this country?
My answer was a multitude of things, to seek a better life was one such. If someone wishes to come to this country PURELY to seek a better life for their families then id like to think they would need a certain level of qualification to prove they can do a certain jib better than our homegrown counterpart. Do you believe Annis should be allowed into Spain?
If that is your answer, why do you support these gentlemen who have entered this illegally, from Cameroon and other stable countries?
I believe anybody should be allowed to enter into another country, as long as they do so legally. I would hope that Annis has a passport and a legal entitlement to remain in Spain, should he wish to do so.
When have I supported them doing this? I have no idea who is illegal and who isnt, and neither do you. Cameroon has an insurgency problem with Boko Haram which is basically a faction of ISIS. You have no idea what these guys are running from.
I have simply stated their ethincicity doesnt mean they are terrorists, scum, rapists or murderers. Simple.
What countries don't have terrorist problems? The article refers to people entering the country 'in the belly of a lorry' from this I would deduce they have entered the country illegally, I couldn't imagine what they are running from in France. With scant regard for the law and ingrained cultural differences, I'd also imagine they'd be statistically more likely to commit crime.
If i and my terror group was going to kill you and your family and you jumped in the luggage area of a plane and entered another country illegally, it diesnt mean you did the wrong thing. And it doesnt make you a threat to the public.
Interesting thoughts regarding crime statistics, did you make it up or actually look atnthem? Do you have the same statistics please?
I would imagine there are easier ways to remove yourself from a terrorist threat and find safety. My point is why travel all the way to the UK for any other reason than to seek a better life? I think people are naive to think otherwise.
I don't have statistics regarding crime, this is merely supposition formulated from my own judgement and experiences.
Tue Jan 26, 2016 11:05 pm
Splottlight wrote:JB1 wrote:Splottlight wrote:JB1 wrote:Splottlight wrote:JB1 wrote:Splottlight wrote:JB1 wrote:Splottlight wrote:JB1 wrote:Question to Splottlight and Cwmbran.. you seem like reasonably intelligent people. Why do you think these gentlemen risked their lives to illegally enter the UK from another European country?
Which gentlemen soecifically? If you mean the large spectrum of women, men and children that have come to the UK then the answer is to seek a better life. Whether that be to escape poverty, bombing, oppression or the threat of murder - i think everybody should have the right to improve their lives. Annis is moving to Spain for example, why? Because it is a nicer climate and he feels his quality of life will imorove for him and his family. Good on him.
The gentlemen in the article who object to wearing said red wristbands.. However if your answer is 'to seek a better life' do you think we should allow anybody who seeks a better life into this country?
My answer was a multitude of things, to seek a better life was one such. If someone wishes to come to this country PURELY to seek a better life for their families then id like to think they would need a certain level of qualification to prove they can do a certain jib better than our homegrown counterpart. Do you believe Annis should be allowed into Spain?
If that is your answer, why do you support these gentlemen who have entered this illegally, from Cameroon and other stable countries?
I believe anybody should be allowed to enter into another country, as long as they do so legally. I would hope that Annis has a passport and a legal entitlement to remain in Spain, should he wish to do so.
When have I supported them doing this? I have no idea who is illegal and who isnt, and neither do you. Cameroon has an insurgency problem with Boko Haram which is basically a faction of ISIS. You have no idea what these guys are running from.
I have simply stated their ethincicity doesnt mean they are terrorists, scum, rapists or murderers. Simple.
What countries don't have terrorist problems? The article refers to people entering the country 'in the belly of a lorry' from this I would deduce they have entered the country illegally, I couldn't imagine what they are running from in France. With scant regard for the law and ingrained cultural differences, I'd also imagine they'd be statistically more likely to commit crime.
If i and my terror group was going to kill you and your family and you jumped in the luggage area of a plane and entered another country illegally, it diesnt mean you did the wrong thing. And it doesnt make you a threat to the public.
Interesting thoughts regarding crime statistics, did you make it up or actually look atnthem? Do you have the same statistics please?
I would imagine there are easier ways to remove yourself from a terrorist threat and find safety. My point is why travel all the way to the UK for any other reason than to seek a better life? I think people are naive to think otherwise.
I don't have statistics regarding crime, this is merely supposition formulated from my own judgement and experiences.
Absolutely. If ISIS or Boko Haram were on my doorstep seeking out thise who didnt believe in radical islam then my first thought woukd be to get the hell out of here, if that mean going "illegally" in the belly of a truck then so be it. The jews did the same to escape Germany pre Holocaust.
Forgive me if I ignore suposition then. As an advocate of British culture I dont feel comfortable woth moving away from an innocent until profen guilty notion, regardless of the persons ethicity or skin type.
Tue Jan 26, 2016 11:13 pm
JB1 wrote:
In 2014, 59% of asylum applications were initially refused. Why do you think that is?
Would you also put yourself in the belly of a truck if you were in Calais?
Tue Jan 26, 2016 11:58 pm
Splottlight wrote:JB1 wrote:
In 2014, 59% of asylum applications were initially refused. Why do you think that is?
Would you also put yourself in the belly of a truck if you were in Calais?
I dont like to speculate as you know, but id imagine the vast majority are tunred down because there is deemed to be no sufficient threat in their home country. A laso imagine a high proportion of skilled based migration is also refused for the reason that some dont have the required skill set.
Yes, if I was living in a shanty town built of tin I would absolutely try to get into a country which would offer me a better standard of living.
Tue Jan 26, 2016 11:59 pm
Splottlight wrote:JB1 wrote:
In 2014, 59% of asylum applications were initially refused. Why do you think that is?
Would you also put yourself in the belly of a truck if you were in Calais?
I dont like to speculate as you know, but id imagine the vast majority are tunred down because there is deemed to be no sufficient threat in their home country. A laso imagine a high proportion of skilled based migration is also refused for the reason that some dont have the required skill set.
Yes, if I was living in a shanty town built of tin I would absolutely try to get into a country which would offer me a better standard of living.
Wed Jan 27, 2016 12:01 am
wez1927 wrote:Splottlight wrote:JB1 wrote:
In 2014, 59% of asylum applications were initially refused. Why do you think that is?
Would you also put yourself in the belly of a truck if you were in Calais?
I dont like to speculate as you know, but id imagine the vast majority are tunred down because there is deemed to be no sufficient threat in their home country. A laso imagine a high proportion of skilled based migration is also refused for the reason that some dont have the required skill set.
Yes, if I was living in a shanty town built of tin I would absolutely try to get into a country which would offer me a better standard of living.
And it's the countries right to tell you to f**k off
Wed Jan 27, 2016 9:13 am
Wed Jan 27, 2016 4:15 pm
wez1927 wrote:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/12123333/Refugee-routes-main-tactic-for-Isil-terrorists-to-get-in-to-Europe-and-launch-attacks-British-intelligence-officials-fear.html we all have a right to be very worried about migrants
Wed Jan 27, 2016 4:16 pm
Splottlight wrote:wez1927 wrote:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/12123333/Refugee-routes-main-tactic-for-Isil-terrorists-to-get-in-to-Europe-and-launch-attacks-British-intelligence-officials-fear.html we all have a right to be very worried about migrants
But it doesn't give you a right to be racist and discriminatory. I could find an article that suggests there sre sleeper cells here, maybe your next door neighbour. Shall we ban next door neighbours?
Wed Jan 27, 2016 4:22 pm
Wed Jan 27, 2016 5:47 pm
Splottlight wrote:Where else would I be?
Wed Jan 27, 2016 6:02 pm
Wed Jan 27, 2016 6:13 pm
Splottlight wrote:Well I am pleased you find horrific racism funny wes.
Wed Jan 27, 2016 6:18 pm
wez1927 wrote:Splottlight wrote:Well I am pleased you find horrific racism funny wes.
Truth is racism according to your kind !
Wed Jan 27, 2016 6:19 pm
Splottlight wrote:wez1927 wrote:Splottlight wrote:Well I am pleased you find horrific racism funny wes.
Truth is racism according to your kind !
No the truth is the truth, assuming someone is a rapist because of the country they are from or the colour of their skin is not the truth, it is supposition based on a racist outlook. Now that is the truth wesley.
Wed Jan 27, 2016 6:22 pm
Wed Jan 27, 2016 8:41 pm