" I have been told totally different regarding Vincent Tan"

The bit that is confusing me is the assumption that every , call it investor if you like. But in truth he is the owner, Runs away with assets every time the books are red. In fact the dept is not only manageable, they are favorable for continuing building assets into the club. Anyway, this risk ratio is not how business men conduct escape rutes. Small time crooks take what they can and run when their ship is sinking and leave everyone behind. What i do read about every day is companies in the red turning things around and restructure, which is the same thing me and every one else in the world does at times when the economy changes for us. If restructure is to be labeled asset stripping i think you are confusing your self young man, be course the motivation behind stripping assets are the ones of saving them self. When an investor reaches his limit of risk to award ratio, he simply stop to put more money in, which is not exactly what is happening right now. This suggest you are barking up the wrong three yet again, as i read in the link the OP gave. He is still here young man, and putting more money in. In theory you are of course right in many things you say. But the basis behind theory, is that it leads to another theory. And in theory not many business owners jump ship, but they turn things around and develop their business to either be marketable or sustainable. I dont see what there is to argue and speculate about here, but all but wait and see.

Once the risk to reward ratio has been reached (as you suggest) then you cannot simply stop putting money in because the club has a shortfall and overheads to satisfy. You cannot restructure outgoings as unlike normal businesses they are tied in over a certain amount of years. I completely disagree that when a company is losing miney hand over fist after extensive investment you simply keep trying - that is nit how successful businessman operate young man and i know this simply because I am one. Of course we are all going to have to wait and see, but when the subject is discussed it would be foolhardy not to mention such ibvious business strategies.

The bit that is confusing me is the assumption that every , call it investor if you like. But in truth he is the owner, Runs away with assets every time the books are red. In fact the dept is not only manageable, they are favorable for continuing building assets into the club. Anyway, this risk ratio is not how business men conduct escape rutes. Small time crooks take what they can and run when their ship is sinking and leave everyone behind. What i do read about every day is companies in the red turning things around and restructure, which is the same thing me and every one else in the world does at times when the economy changes for us. If restructure is to be labeled asset stripping i think you are confusing your self young man, be course the motivation behind stripping assets are the ones of saving them self. When an investor reaches his limit of risk to award ratio, he simply stop to put more money in, which is not exactly what is happening right now. This suggest you are barking up the wrong three yet again, as i read in the link the OP gave. He is still here young man, and putting more money in. In theory you are of course right in many things you say. But the basis behind theory, is that it leads to another theory. And in theory not many business owners jump ship, but they turn things around and develop their business to either be marketable or sustainable. I dont see what there is to argue and speculate about here, but all but wait and see.

Once the risk to reward ratio has been reached (as you suggest) then you cannot simply stop putting money in because the club has a shortfall and overheads to satisfy. You cannot restructure outgoings as unlike normal businesses they are tied in over a certain amount of years. I completely disagree that when a company is losing miney hand over fist after extensive investment you simply keep trying - that is nit how successful businessman operate young man and i know this simply because I am one. Of course we are all going to have to wait and see, but when the subject is discussed it would be foolhardy not to mention such ibvious business strategies.

That is exactly right. But then you look at which shortfalls and overheads to cut. And right now that seems to be the wage structure and players that overvalue what the club needs and what they can produce. There is absolutely no doubt that the club is being restructured, and hopefully the club can recoup some of the money lost through player sales. With parachute and premier league football in, lets say two years time. The books might even be in the black. 4 players bought and total spent is 2,4 millions is very good value and the way of the future.

The club was losing £1.2m + per month in the championship. The only "restructuring" going on is hetting the players picked up in the Premier league off the wage bill as you find yourselves back at square one. This time you will have not only the base championship squad but an overall increased wage bill from the premier league contract triggers PLUS the likes of Cala, guerra, daelhi, fabio et al who will be on "premier league" championship wages. I think you are mistaking what is best for the club as what is best for Tan. That undoubtedly and realistically is now him achieving break even for the sale and that comes with the sale of players and holding of future revenues. Thats the thing when bringing in investors what is best for thrm and whats best for the club - are often quite different.

The club was losing £1.2m + per month in the championship. The only "restructuring" going on is hetting the players picked up in the Premier league off the wage bill as you find yourselves back at square one. This time you will have not only the base championship squad but an overall increased wage bill from the premier league contract triggers PLUS the likes of Cala, guerra, daelhi, fabio et al who will be on "premier league" championship wages. I think you are mistaking what is best for the club as what is best for Tan. That undoubtedly and realistically is now him achieving break even for the sale and that comes with the sale of players and holding of future revenues. Thats the thing when bringing in investors what is best for thrm and whats best for the club - are often quite different.

I highly doubt that, and i can not stress highly enough. This is a guess of course, as i do not have any real figures behind wages. But i would estimate the wages of the players you are listing is 20% of the ones leaving including Bellamy. Right now whats best for the club and whats best for Tan are the same. Whats best for the fans is a different matter, and whats best two or three years down the road is again theory.

The club was losing £1.2m + per month in the championship. The only "restructuring" going on is hetting the players picked up in the Premier league off the wage bill as you find yourselves back at square one. This time you will have not only the base championship squad but an overall increased wage bill from the premier league contract triggers PLUS the likes of Cala, guerra, daelhi, fabio et al who will be on "premier league" championship wages. I think you are mistaking what is best for the club as what is best for Tan. That undoubtedly and realistically is now him achieving break even for the sale and that comes with the sale of players and holding of future revenues. Thats the thing when bringing in investors what is best for thrm and whats best for the club - are often quite different.

I highly doubt that, and i can not stress highly enough. This is a guess of course, as i do not have any real figures behind wages. But i would estimate the wages of the players you are listing is 20% of the ones leaving including Bellamy. Right now whats best for the club and whats best for Tan are the same. Whats best for the fans is a different matter, and whats best two or three years down the road is again theory.

In the championship without the likes of medel, caulker etc you were paying 189% of income to wages. That core is still there minus bellamy, but instead you have picked up the likes macheda, guerra, le fondre, fabio, cala etc. wages is will be as astronomical this year as they usually are with Cardiff. I disagree regarding whats best for both is the same. What is best for Tan is he gets his money back so he can move on. Every "best case scenario" for the club is based on what ifs (promotion) and every year tan waits for that he is handing ocer cash to pay the shortfall, however this time you dont have the assets to cover it as assets now match investment. He will be gone in the next 18 months should you fail to go up, of that im certain.

4 players in - macheda, le fondre, guerra, burgstaller
4 players out - bellers, lappin, smith, taylor.

i expect the wage bill has been cut slightly, but obviously a lot more will be gone soon, hopefully as thwy cant run a business with those outgoings.

4 players in - macheda, le fondre, guerra, burgstaller
4 players out - bellers, lappin, smith, taylor.

i expect the wage bill has been cut slightly, but obviously a lot more will be gone soon, hopefully as thwy cant run a business with those outgoings.

You think? Guerra will surely be on similar wage alone to what bellamy was on, he was signed when you were still in the Prem and as a free agent La Liga goalscorer - they aint cheap. Macheda and le fondre would be on a fair whack too being proven championship strikers as opposed to the likes of lappin and taylor.

Based on those 4 like for like then for me it has increased.

4 players in - macheda, le fondre, guerra, burgstaller
4 players out - bellers, lappin, smith, taylor.

i expect the wage bill has been cut slightly, but obviously a lot more will be gone soon, hopefully as thwy cant run a business with those outgoings.

You think? Guerra will surely be on similar wage alone to what bellamy was on, he was signed when you were still in the Prem and as a free agent La Liga goalscorer - they aint cheap. Macheda and le fondre would be on a fair whack too being proven championship strikers as opposed to the likes of lappin and taylor.

Based on those 4 like for like then for me it has increased.

I have been reliably informed the throwing about of big contracts has stopped and the players have promotion bonuses in their contracts. I have also been told Smith, lappin and Taylor were also on big wages under malky.

Lets of people get "told" things though lets be fair. Very often that and the reality is quite different. Free agents are notoriously high earners and strikers tend to get paid more than defenders.

Lets of people get "told" things though lets be fair. Very often that and the reality is quite different. Free agents are notoriously high earners and strikers tend to get paid more than defenders.

I know that, but the strikers will soon flow out the door, Campbell, Maynard, velikonja, jones all to go.

Got to laugh at this asset stripping nonsense. At the end of the day our most expensive players are being sold anyway, regarding the rest of the team they wouldn't fetch much so can't see him bothering. He may well keep the money from caulker, Medel, Marshall and maybe one more, so that's about 25 mil which is his and he can keep it. The way ole is going about his business we are going to have a good team for as little as 5 mil come the end of the summer.

This asset stripping does make me laugh as well because as you rightly point out Caulker & Medel are almost certainly going to be sold on, for any number of reasons none of which have anything to do with asset stripping. In respect of Marshall if he does go then the when has our club ever been in a position to turndown the type of fee we are talking about ? Ledley maybe but lets face it £6m+ is decent money for a player who cost 10% of that.

I'd love to know how VT £12M investment in the stadium expansion fits into this whole asset stripping scenario, then again I'd love to know how the stadium fits into this whole the club is worth say £15m bollocks being spouted by Tragic.

Let's face it the only reason this idiot is being allowed on this site is to keep this whole anti VT rhetoric going, without that Annis would have banned him a long long time ago.

Sorry Annis but allowing this guy to spout his bullshit on here is, in my opinion, damaging the reputation of this messageboard and that's really sad.

totally agree roathy is a mug and types so much bollocks that it's making this forum a f*cking joke recently all the good posters don't bother any more

I agree but Annis wont listen unless roathie turns pro tan Leedsservice is clearly a troll clearly a poster with more than one name and the likes of these are effecting the quality of the forum.

On this more than one username point Jinks it looks like Disingenuous Tragic is having a debate with himself this morning.

Classic Tragic .

And the award for paranoid mentalist goes to...... Castlered!

Come and accept your award.

lol if u r referring to me and roathy bein the same person then i can never take u serious again.

lol if u r referring to me and roathy bein the same person then i can never take u serious again.

Have you ever taken him seriously then?

He gives an opinion and if it is countered or disagreed with then he starts crying and name calling. Ironically, he does that even if he does agree with you just to make out he doesnt. Just smile and pat on the head

lol if u r referring to me and roathy bein the same person then i can never take u serious again.

Have you ever taken him seriously then?

He gives an opinion and if it is countered or disagreed with then he starts crying and name calling. Ironically, he does that even if he does agree with you just to make out he doesnt. Just smile and pat on the head

to be honest iv skipped the majority of his posts coz i dont know what the fuk hes talking about.

lol if u r referring to me and roathy bein the same person then i can never take u serious again.

Take a closer look at the thread Bobby and you'll realise it's not you.

lol if u r referring to me and roathy bein the same person then i can never take u serious again.

Take a closer look at the thread Bobby and you'll realise it's not you.

ok ill look now see if i can spot roathies alter ego lol

lol if u r referring to me and roathy bein the same person then i can never take u serious again.

Have you ever taken him seriously then?

He gives an opinion and if it is countered or disagreed with then he starts crying and name calling. Ironically, he does that even if he does agree with you just to make out he doesnt. Just smile and pat on the head

to be honest iv skipped the majority of his posts coz i dont know what the fuk hes talking about.

Wise choice

ah right i see your referring to tobiasbluette lol

ah right i see your referring to tobiasbluette lol

Yeah the guy that is disagreeing with me

Only on planet castlered, as i said, smile and pat on head

ah right i see your referring to tobiasbluette lol

Correct classic disingenuous Tragic.

ah right i see your referring to tobiasbluette lol

Correct classic disingenuous Tragic.

what a pleb. If he loses the debate he cries and causes a scene. Bless his red heart.

How much shall we bet on this castlered?

Since when did this turn into a Roath Magic thread.

The bit that is confusing me is the assumption that every , call it investor if you like. But in truth he is the owner, Runs away with assets every time the books are red. In fact the dept is not only manageable, they are favorable for continuing building assets into the club. Anyway, this risk ratio is not how business men conduct escape rutes. Small time crooks take what they can and run when their ship is sinking and leave everyone behind. What i do read about every day is companies in the red turning things around and restructure, which is the same thing me and every one else in the world does at times when the economy changes for us. If restructure is to be labeled asset stripping i think you are confusing your self young man, be course the motivation behind stripping assets are the ones of saving them self. When an investor reaches his limit of risk to award ratio, he simply stop to put more money in, which is not exactly what is happening right now. This suggest you are barking up the wrong three yet again, as i read in the link the OP gave. He is still here young man, and putting more money in. In theory you are of course right in many things you say. But the basis behind theory, is that it leads to another theory. And in theory not many business owners jump ship, but they turn things around and develop their business to either be marketable or sustainable. I dont see what there is to argue and speculate about here, but all but wait and see.

Once the risk to reward ratio has been reached (as you suggest) then you cannot simply stop putting money in because the club has a shortfall and overheads to satisfy. You cannot restructure outgoings as unlike normal businesses they are tied in over a certain amount of years. I completely disagree that when a company is losing miney hand over fist after extensive investment you simply keep trying - that is nit how successful businessman operate young man and i know this simply because I am one. Of course we are all going to have to wait and see, but when the subject is discussed it would be foolhardy not to mention such ibvious business strategies.

That is exactly right. But then you look at which shortfalls and overheads to cut. And right now that seems to be the wage structure and players that overvalue what the club needs and what they can produce. There is absolutely no doubt that the club is being restructured, and hopefully the club can recoup some of the money lost through player sales. With parachute and premier league football in, lets say two years time. The books might even be in the black. 4 players bought and total spent is 2,4 millions is very good value and the way of the future.

With recent development and further information on what is being done at the club, i do believe my theory is looking more likely
Mr Roath. Don`t you agree?

Not in the slightest. lim has stepped down and been replaced.

:? Not in the slightest. lim has stepped down and been replaced.

No, he has hired a cleaner, restructuring the management and is looking to invest in another football club, that support my theory and not asset stripping while looking for a way out.

Since when did this turn into a Roath Magic thread.

Since the mods and annis let him take over.. funny how he doesnt post on mikes board or if he does very rare. on here he takes over nearly every thread to get bites or to start arguements or keep them going hmmm

:? Not in the slightest. lim has stepped down and been replaced.

No, he has hired a cleaner, restructuring the management and is looking to invest in another football club, that support my theory and not asset stripping while looking for a way out.

I dont think it supports your theory at all. Hes bought another football club that could well be his preferred project. A team already red and not a team that will rebel against it.

Why another username btw?

Since when did this turn into a Roath Magic thread.

Since the mods and annis let him take over.. funny how he doesnt post on mikes board or if he does very rare. on here he takes over nearly every thread to get bites or to start arguements or keep them going hmmm

Mikes board doesnt need me, they are sensible in the main.

Since when did this turn into a Roath Magic thread.

Since the mods and annis let him take over.. funny how he doesnt post on mikes board or if he does very rare. on here he takes over nearly every thread to get bites or to start arguements or keep them going hmmm

Mikes board doesnt need me, they are sensible in the main.

We are sensible on this board. That's why I record all my games on a Betamax cassette. My Sinclair C5 gets me to and from the shop where I buy advocaat and tripe for tea.