Fight for blue.... Team? Club?... Home truths.

He's hardly gong to walk away from his investment if people are rude to him.

Look at mike ashley and the abuse he gets !

I admire you're rather romantic notion of the people rising up to the evil dictator and overthrowing him in a coup de'tat.

But this is cold hearted capitalism in its most pure form and this ain't gonna happen in a world of billion dollar premiership tv rights.
It's a long way away from turn of the millenium and 3rd tier football a la tony petty and the Swansea "revolution"

It's not about acceptance , it's about realism.

We'll go about our campaign quietly and effectively and put pressure on VT in a more subtle way , maybe too subtle a way to gauge from Brisbane .

You contradict yourself there. You say my idea fans can have any effect as "romanticism" yet sign off by suggesting that your actions are putting pressure on Tan... Which one is it?

You also refer to "his multi million pound" investment as if its some golden egg he will have to relinquish. The company is losing millions, if the company cannot bare it then Tan has to - that isnt something needing much persuading if it is the fans aim to force him out, he is hardly benefitting from it. Why he is still there I have no idea.

Someone who has more experience than me in the business world will have to explain this to me but why would anyone invest in a company that has no assets?

Loads of reasons.

But which company are you specifically referring to, it would make reasoning easier.

I mean in terms of a football club. It's a business investment that's always considered a black hole but if your planning to take over a club which has no assets such as a playing staff, training ground etc. why would you take the risk on it? Surely a club whic despite in debt but has known assets is more valuable than a club that is "debt free" and I mean in the loosest of terms but has no assets?

Why do people reply to this megalomaniac he is just trying to boost his low self asteem,i used to think he was ok but now bragging about his wealth and how well off he is i just think he is one sad person.Why would any one be on this mb if you had his so called wealth.I would be out enjoying my life with my mrs.

Someone who has more experience than me in the business world will have to explain this to me but why would anyone invest in a company that has no assets?

Loads of reasons.

But which company are you specifically referring to, it would make reasoning easier.

I mean in terms of a football club. It's a business investment that's always considered a black hole but if your planning to take over a club which has no assets such as a playing staff, training ground etc. why would you take the risk on it? Surely a club whic despite in debt but has known assets is more valuable than a club that is "debt free" and I mean in the loosest of terms but has no assets?

In order for an answer you will probably need to be even more specific. Each club is different and eavh club will have different things that are attractive.

One may have no saleable assets but have future income such as parachute payments. If we take cardiff for example, if VT sells everything to pay the debt owed to him, his share value will go down but still remain high due to the millions due to come into the company.

Assets can be bought with this money improving the club amd potential initial share purchase at no extra cost to the buyer.

He's still there because we are a vanity project for him.

He can't be overturned IMHO like you're suggesting , but a subtle campaign could bring him to his senses regarding the rebrand.

Eventually.

Why do people reply to this megalomaniac he is just trying to boost his low self asteem,i used to think he was ok but now bragging about his wealth and how well off he is i just think he is one sad person.Why would any one be on this mb if you had his so called wealth.I would be out enjoying my life with my mrs.

I wasnt the one to bring it up pal. If my personal life gets discussed then im more than happy to discuss it, if people dont like the details of my personal life then they shouldnt bring it up. Ive always emplored people to stick to football. But hey, id get the blame regardless so why worry right?

As for why does someone with wealth post on a message board? Its like saying why does someone with wealth sail a boat. My interests are football. Suggesting as a result i cant enjoy life with my mrs is a bit odd, i assume its a frustrated dig rather than a genuine opinion - which is fine, im used to them

Someone who has more experience than me in the business world will have to explain this to me but why would anyone invest in a company that has no assets?

Loads of reasons.

But which company are you specifically referring to, it would make reasoning easier.

I mean in terms of a football club. It's a business investment that's always considered a black hole but if your planning to take over a club which has no assets such as a playing staff, training ground etc. why would you take the risk on it? Surely a club whic despite in debt but has known assets is more valuable than a club that is "debt free" and I mean in the loosest of terms but has no assets?

In order for an answer you will probably need to be even more specific. Each club is different and eavh club will have different things that are attractive.

One may have no saleable assets but have future income such as parachute payments. If we take cardiff for example, if VT sells everything to pay the debt owed to him, his share value will go down but still remain high due to the millions due to come into the company.

Assets can be bought with this money improving the club amd potential initial share purchase at no extra cost to the buyer.

But you would have no players. Obviously you would have the parachute payments which can be used as an incentive to draw in a prospective owner. Without any playing staff etc the new owner would have to automatically spend more than he would receive theoretically.

Our only assets currently are our playing staff and our "future training ground" neither of which will will cover the debt odd to VT even after the "£50 million debt to equity exchange". So a future owner would be looking more likely to lose money than receive and there is no guarantee we would get promoted. Based on when we were in the same position there was certainly not a long list of people wanting to take over us and that is why I don't believe forcing Tan out is as easy as you make it. As much as I would want it, what I want is to make is sustainable as a club.

He's still there because we are a vanity project for him.

He can't be overturned IMHO like you're suggesting , but a subtle campaign could bring him to his senses regarding the rebrand.

Eventually.

He isnt stupid or rich enough to have a vanity project costing him as much as it is.

It may be a vanity project but he didnt become rich by chucking money away. His investment will only go up to a certain level and then it doesnt become worth his while. That point is pretty much here, meaning he will be looking fir a way out - the pussy footing around isnt the excuse he needs. However an all out direct campaign will, of that i have no doubt.

Someone who has more experience than me in the business world will have to explain this to me but why would anyone invest in a company that has no assets?

Loads of reasons.

But which company are you specifically referring to, it would make reasoning easier.

I mean in terms of a football club. It's a business investment that's always considered a black hole but if your planning to take over a club which has no assets such as a playing staff, training ground etc. why would you take the risk on it? Surely a club whic despite in debt but has known assets is more valuable than a club that is "debt free" and I mean in the loosest of terms but has no assets?

In order for an answer you will probably need to be even more specific. Each club is different and eavh club will have different things that are attractive.

One may have no saleable assets but have future income such as parachute payments. If we take cardiff for example, if VT sells everything to pay the debt owed to him, his share value will go down but still remain high due to the millions due to come into the company.

Assets can be bought with this money improving the club amd potential initial share purchase at no extra cost to the buyer.

But you would have no players. Obviously you would have the parachute payments which can be used as an incentive to draw in a prospective owner. Without any playing staff etc the new owner would have to automatically spend more than he would receive theoretically.

Our only assets currently are our playing staff and our "future training ground" neither of which will will cover the debt odd to VT even after the "£50 million debt to equity exchange". So a future owner would be looking more likely to lose money than receive and there is no guarantee we would get promoted. Based on when we were in the same position there was certainly not a long list of people wanting to take over us and that is why I don't believe forcing Tan out is as easy as you make it. As much as I would want it, what I want is to make is sustainable as a club.

Tan will be simply wanting his money back. It will have essentially have been a free advertising campaign for him and a free gamble as it were.

So for that he can sell players, keep parachute money, keep ticket money, lease the training ground (or sell) and set up long terms sponsorship contracts. He will also have his shares which he will sell on sale of the club, he may even keep a 10% stake.

In order for his shares to sell at a decent price the debt of the club will have to be minimal, otherwise as you say he will not get a buyer. When sold there is no doubt that debts will be gone or minimal and manageable.

So the new guy coming in who bought the club asset stripped for lets say £30m. If he ploughs in £10m to the playing staff, that should see a side quite competitive in the championship while operating at break even - then when the parachute money comes in (£40m left?) it means he can buy £40m of assets increasing his share value for free.

If promoted that £40m investment could turn into a major windfall - if not then he sells the debt free club for the base value of £30m PLUS the newly added £50m of assets on top which will probably increase the sale value to around £50m odd.

Thats the basic premise.

Someone who has more experience than me in the business world will have to explain this to me but why would anyone invest in a company that has no assets?

Loads of reasons.

But which company are you specifically referring to, it would make reasoning easier.

I mean in terms of a football club. It's a business investment that's always considered a black hole but if your planning to take over a club which has no assets such as a playing staff, training ground etc. why would you take the risk on it? Surely a club whic despite in debt but has known assets is more valuable than a club that is "debt free" and I mean in the loosest of terms but has no assets?

In order for an answer you will probably need to be even more specific. Each club is different and eavh club will have different things that are attractive.

One may have no saleable assets but have future income such as parachute payments. If we take cardiff for example, if VT sells everything to pay the debt owed to him, his share value will go down but still remain high due to the millions due to come into the company.

Assets can be bought with this money improving the club amd potential initial share purchase at no extra cost to the buyer.

But you would have no players. Obviously you would have the parachute payments which can be used as an incentive to draw in a prospective owner. Without any playing staff etc the new owner would have to automatically spend more than he would receive theoretically.

Our only assets currently are our playing staff and our "future training ground" neither of which will will cover the debt odd to VT even after the "£50 million debt to equity exchange". So a future owner would be looking more likely to lose money than receive and there is no guarantee we would get promoted. Based on when we were in the same position there was certainly not a long list of people wanting to take over us and that is why I don't believe forcing Tan out is as easy as you make it. As much as I would want it, what I want is to make is sustainable as a club.

Tan will be simply wanting his money back. It will have essentially have been a free advertising campaign for him and a free gamble as it were.

So for that he can sell players, keep parachute money, keep ticket money, lease the training ground (or sell) and set up long terms sponsorship contracts. He will also have his shares which he will sell on sale of the club, he may even keep a 10% stake.

In order for his shares to sell at a decent price the debt of the club will have to be minimal, otherwise as you say he will not get a buyer. When sold there is no doubt that debts will be gone or minimal and manageable.

So the new guy coming in who bought the club asset stripped for lets say £30m. If he ploughs in £10m to the playing staff, that should see a side quite competitive in the championship while operating at break even - then when the parachute money comes in (£40m left?) it means he can buy £40m of assets increasing his share value for free.

If promoted that £40m investment could turn into a major windfall - if not then he sells the debt free club for the base value of £30m PLUS the newly added £50m of assets on top which will probably increase the sale value to around £50m odd.

Thats the basic premise.

he could keep 9%..or 11% of the shares eh..............and this base value? you find it online..or in the Argos catalogue.........

your post is one of 800 trillion possible scenarios..................in other words fantasy

It is a scenario soulofthesea, the most likely one given what we know. Im saying what he would certainly be considering.

keeping 10% of the shares is astute as he will get 10% of any future dividends without having to be financially responsible for the club. Yet it isnt too much that he will be sacrificing the lump sum received from the sale.

There is a method for valuing a company for investors, it is something like asset value plus undesignated income for 18 months - or something of that ilk. The assets will be zero but the income that isnt designated to normal wages will be pretty much the value of the parachute payments. Due to the odd scenario of assets being zero it will have to be a touch less id imagine.... hence the £30m.

So Im not claiming to know the exact amount but we can make an educated guess.

Now how about actually writing something of worth instead of this rubbish?

:? It is a scenario soulofthesea, the most likely one given what we know. Im saying what he would certainly be considering.

keeping 10% of the shares is astute as he will get 10% of any future dividends without having to be financially responsible for the club. Yet it isnt too much that he will be sacrificing the lump sum received from the sale.

There is a method for valuing a company for investors, it is something like asset value plus undesignated income for 18 months - or something of that ilk. The assets will be zero but the income that isnt designated to normal wages will be pretty much the value of the parachute payments. Due to the odd scenario of assets being zero it will have to be a touch less id imagine.... hence the £30m.

So Im not claiming to know the exact amount but we can make an educated guess.

Now how about actually writing something of worth instead of this rubbish?

youve just come up with a bunch of imaginary figures............the method for valuing anything in the real world is how much another person is willing to pay .....you can slide rule and book worm all you like but at the end of the day anythings market value is what it will fetch..........each football club has a unique location to start with............the fact you can spout this and make out its with thought { which no doubt it is }..just swears up your limited knowledge..........
sorry to be harsh..............i have sold businesses for more..and less than i or my agent thought the value was........if more than 1 person is interested it pushes up..........and if no one shows interest you drop the price...........its a method used since before the wheel was invented..........

:? It is a scenario soulofthesea, the most likely one given what we know. Im saying what he would certainly be considering.

keeping 10% of the shares is astute as he will get 10% of any future dividends without having to be financially responsible for the club. Yet it isnt too much that he will be sacrificing the lump sum received from the sale.

There is a method for valuing a company for investors, it is something like asset value plus undesignated income for 18 months - or something of that ilk. The assets will be zero but the income that isnt designated to normal wages will be pretty much the value of the parachute payments. Due to the odd scenario of assets being zero it will have to be a touch less id imagine.... hence the £30m.

So Im not claiming to know the exact amount but we can make an educated guess.

Now how about actually writing something of worth instead of this rubbish?

youve just come up with a bunch of imaginary figures............

i was asked hiw somebody COULD profit from buying a football club without assets - like Cardiff. I gave an answer based in likely scenarios and educated guesses... Not "imaginary figures"

the method for valuing anything in the real world is how much another person is willing to pay .....you can slide rule and book worm all you like but at the end of the day anythings market value is what it will fetch..........each football club has a unique location to start with............the fact you can spout this and make out its with thought { which no doubt it is }..just swears up your limited knowledge..........

absolute rubbish. If you have a car and put it up for sale, as long as it is in the condition it is expected then the offers will all be about the same, take it to the car yard and again they will all offer you roughly the same. Why? Because it has a bluebook value. Things are worth a certain amount and that is based on a set of factors used across the board.

If i stuck a tenner on ebay it would go for roughly a tenner. If i put a box with £10 of sweets inside on ebay it would go for roughly £10. Its the way it works.

Again you are showing a major lack of understanding and instead of swallowing your oride and asking questions you come out with this guff

sorry to be harsh..............i have sold businesses for more..and less than i or my agent thought the value was........if more than 1 person is interested it pushes up..........and if no one shows interest you drop the price...........its a method used since before the wheel was invented..........

absolutely, hence why £30m is an educated guess. It may be £27m, it may be £33m - but it will be in that region due to the factors that go into valuing businesses. Its as simple as that.

I emplore you, instead of this mind rot just ask. Im more than approachable and will explain anything i write if you cant understand it. Just ask

:? It is a scenario soulofthesea, the most likely one given what we know. Im saying what he would certainly be considering.

keeping 10% of the shares is astute as he will get 10% of any future dividends without having to be financially responsible for the club. Yet it isnt too much that he will be sacrificing the lump sum received from the sale.

There is a method for valuing a company for investors, it is something like asset value plus undesignated income for 18 months - or something of that ilk. The assets will be zero but the income that isnt designated to normal wages will be pretty much the value of the parachute payments. Due to the odd scenario of assets being zero it will have to be a touch less id imagine.... hence the £30m.

So Im not claiming to know the exact amount but we can make an educated guess.

Now how about actually writing something of worth instead of this rubbish?

youve just come up with a bunch of imaginary figures............

i was asked hiw somebody COULD profit from buying a football club without assets - like Cardiff. I gave an answer based in likely scenarios and educated guesses... Not "imaginary figures"

the method for valuing anything in the real world is how much another person is willing to pay .....you can slide rule and book worm all you like but at the end of the day anythings market value is what it will fetch..........each football club has a unique location to start with............the fact you can spout this and make out its with thought { which no doubt it is }..just swears up your limited knowledge..........

absolute rubbish. If you have a car and put it up for sale, as long as it is in the condition it is expected then the offers will all be about the same, take it to the car yard and again they will all offer you roughly the same. Why? Because it has a bluebook value. Things are worth a certain amount and that is based on a set of factors used across the board.

If i stuck a tenner on ebay it would go for roughly a tenner. If i put a box with £10 of sweets inside on ebay it would go for roughly £10. Its the way it works.

Again you are showing a major lack of understanding and instead of swallowing your oride and asking questions you come out with this guff

sorry to be harsh..............i have sold businesses for more..and less than i or my agent thought the value was........if more than 1 person is interested it pushes up..........and if no one shows interest you drop the price...........its a method used since before the wheel was invented..........

absolutely, hence why £30m is an educated guess. It may be £27m, it may be £33m - but it will be in that region due to the factors that go into valuing businesses. Its as simple as that.

I emplore you, instead of this mind rot just ask. Im more than approachable and will explain anything i write if you cant understand it. Just ask

at least you admit to lots of guess work........thats more than normal,you must be tired

you cant seriously compare selling a car to selling a football club? most cars are mass produced...hundreds of thousands, so yes that then in turn relates to roughly a going rate.................a football club,if compared to cars,should be compared to a rare vintage car.........where,like i said , the price you will get is very dependent on how much interest there is in that car...eg..When Abramovich bough Chelsea, it was a London club he wanted, . Cardiff would be no good..not in London........other investors look for past glory.or present glory..or potential.....each club is quite different.......not all ford mondeos on ebay....

of course it is guess work. Anything that hasn't happened yet is guesswork and ive never ever claimed otherwise. However we can have accurate guesses based on most likely scenario.

Business valuation is a method and not an impulse hence we can see what the club is roughly worth. Anything open market at slightly less than monetary value will sell, which is why we can come up with these figures and make a thesis on potential strategies and exit scenarios. The exact same ones tan will go thrugh.

Sometimes I think you reply just to talk to me rather than have any sort of point

:lol: of course it is guess work. Anything that hasn't happened yet is guesswork and ive never ever claimed otherwise. However we can have accurate guesses based on most likely scenario.

Business valuation is a method and not an impulse hence we can see what the club is roughly worth. Anything open market at slightly less than monetary value will sell, which is why we can come up with these figures and make a thesis on potential strategies and exit scenarios. The exact same ones tan will go thrugh.

Sometimes I think you reply just to talk to me rather than have any sort of point

the point is made...............anything that hasnt happened yet is guesswork............
Tan claims he has put in 140mill........he could stay and invest various amounts of money { i could guess but im not thick.}
he could stay and slowly asset strip the club paying back the debt as he goes along......and he could wake up one morning and say f**k it.........wouldnt be a businessman of the year move, but possible............many very wealthy men divorce their wives every year too.....not good business,but to them makes good sense.........its not all in books roath my son......life is like a box of chocolates......
oh..and no...this isnt talking ...there is no debate with you..........you bait us,and we bite......being contentious all the time just to have posts aimed at you so that you can reply..is not talking.........its attention seeking

:lol: of course it is guess work. Anything that hasn't happened yet is guesswork and ive never ever claimed otherwise. However we can have accurate guesses based on most likely scenario.

Business valuation is a method and not an impulse hence we can see what the club is roughly worth. Anything open market at slightly less than monetary value will sell, which is why we can come up with these figures and make a thesis on potential strategies and exit scenarios. The exact same ones tan will go thrugh.

Sometimes I think you reply just to talk to me rather than have any sort of point

the point is made...............anything that hasnt happened yet is guesswork............

yes but educated guesswork. If I were to sell my house now I'd get round 550k for it. It hasn't happened yet but know what I would roughly get

Tan claims he has put in 140mill........he could stay and invest various amounts of money { i could guess but im not thick.}

he could gift you a billion dollars just do fun too - but again that isn't likely based on common sense and what we know.

he could stay and slowly asset strip the club paying back the debt as he goes along......

but he won't because it makes no sense to do that. This is why an educated guess differs from just a random possible scenario.

and he could wake up one morning and say f**k it.........wouldnt be a businessman of the year move, but possible...........

again this is not really possible or plausible. You seem confused between educated guess and random scenario.

An example.... someone asking what will happen if you jump out of a plane at 30000 feet with no parachute and me saying "death".

You then come back with "how do you know? You may land on another passing plane and fall through the roof into another seat and land safely" and thinking both guesses are equal. .

many very wealthy men divorce their wives every year too.....not good business,but to them makes good sense.........

What?

its not all in books roath my son......life is like a box of chocolates......

again... What?

oh..and no...this isnt talking ...there is no debate with you..........you bait us,and we bite......being contentious all the time just to have posts aimed at you so that you can reply..is not talking.........its attention seeking

in what way is saying Cardiff after asset stripping will worth around 30 mill in any way contentious?

You just read my posts, don't understand them so instead of asking... start ranting

bedtime.........up in morning work work work..............

congrats btw..for answering in one go,last 2 posts.........breaking them down with red is so chucklesc.......makes you look like you can not absorb the whole post your answering...........

bedtime.........up in morning work work work..............

congrats btw..for answering in one go,last 2 posts.........breaking them down with red is so chucklesc.......makes you look like you can not absorb the whole post your answering...........

Your posts are too skittish. In order to answer all your queries I need to do them one by one or the reply wouldn't be readable as an answer.

The red also highlights the stupidity of what you are saying so it doesn't get lost in amongst the guff.

damn.............and i really thought you were getting better..........

Tan has said.......his family have told him to walk away............and sometimes others close to you can see something you can not.......its happened to me.............its not falling off planes on to escalators or what ever ridiculous rubbish you conjoured up....its real life
your assumptions are ALWAYS......businessmen will always make text book business judgments..and these ALWAYS work.....oh if life were so simple............your a bigger fool than i thought if you think that..........

red ink..broken down answers..lots of lols...laughing heads...unlucky kentucky...........your manner is that of a 12 year old........

bedtime.........up in morning work work work..............

congrats btw..for answering in one go,last 2 posts.........breaking them down with red is so chucklesc.......makes you look like you can not absorb the whole post your answering...........

Your posts are too skittish. In order to answer all your queries I need to do them one by one or the reply wouldn't be readable as an answer.

The red also highlights the stupidity of what you are saying so it doesn't get lost in amongst the guff.

ah right..its someone elses fault?..........have you got scouse blood in you?

there must be hundreds of us skittish stupid posters on here eh............only you ,king,mega mouth,top guesser roathie is correct always..........beaut

damn.............and i really thought you were getting better..........

Tan has said.......his family have told him to walk away............and sometimes others close to you can see something you can not.......its happened to me.............its not falling off planes on to escalators or what ever ridiculous rubbish you conjoured up....its real life
your assumptions are ALWAYS......businessmen will always make text book business judgments..and these ALWAYS work.....oh if life were so simple............your a bigger fool than i thought if you think that..........

red ink..broken down answers..lots of lols...laughing heads...unlucky kentucky...........your manner is that of a 12 year old........

That still makes no sense. You keep referring to "real life" while giving wild scenarios that rarely in this "real life". If you can't see that him selling for 30 million is more likely than him deciding to gift you 200 million for no reason then I despair

You bring the smileys and red text on yourself, I'm often left incredulous by your utterly ridiculous posts

bedtime.........up in morning work work work..............

congrats btw..for answering in one go,last 2 posts.........breaking them down with red is so chucklesc.......makes you look like you can not absorb the whole post your answering...........

Your posts are too skittish. In order to answer all your queries I need to do them one by one or the reply wouldn't be readable as an answer.

The red also highlights the stupidity of what you are saying so it doesn't get lost in amongst the guff.

ah right..its someone elses fault?..........have you got scouse blood in you?

there must be hundreds of us skittish stupid posters on here eh............only you ,king,mega mouth,top guesser roathie is correct always..........beaut

It's no fault, it is reason why I cannot give just one answer. You go off on too many tangeants so need to apply an answer to each one. The red is to make it easier to read. You seem offended

No, there are only a few skittish posters that make debate an amazing experience. You, wez, Pembroke Allen and swansealad. The amount of brain cells you have put together is terrifying

bedtime.........up in morning work work work..............

congrats btw..for answering in one go,last 2 posts.........breaking them down with red is so chucklesc.......makes you look like you can not absorb the whole post your answering...........

Your posts are too skittish. In order to answer all your queries I need to do them one by one or the reply wouldn't be readable as an answer.

The red also highlights the stupidity of what you are saying so it doesn't get lost in amongst the guff.

ah right..its someone elses fault?..........have you got scouse blood in you?

there must be hundreds of us skittish stupid posters on here eh............only you ,king,mega mouth,top guesser roathie is correct always..........beaut

It's no fault, it is reason why I cannot give just one answer. You go off on too many tangeants so need to apply an answer to each one. The red is to make it easier to read. You seem offended

No, there are only a few skittish posters that make debate an amazing experience. You, wez, Pembroke Allen and swansealad. The amount of brain cells you have put together is terrifying

the amount of brain cells etc etc etc...........laughing head?
really?
witty..........no
intelligent.........no
mature...........no
sharp......no

you sound like a child in a playground ...my dads better than your dad...........

im going now...........leave you to do some imaginary maths

damn.............and i really thought you were getting better..........

Tan has said.......his family have told him to walk away............and sometimes others close to you can see something you can not.......its happened to me.............its not falling off planes on to escalators or what ever ridiculous rubbish you conjoured up....its real life
your assumptions are ALWAYS......businessmen will always make text book business judgments..and these ALWAYS work.....oh if life were so simple............your a bigger fool than i thought if you think that..........

red ink..broken down answers..lots of lols...laughing heads...unlucky kentucky...........your manner is that of a 12 year old........

That still makes no sense. You keep referring to "real life" while giving wild scenarios that rarely in this "real life". If you can't see that him selling for 30 million is more likely than him deciding to gift you 200 million for no reason then I despair

You bring the smileys and red text on yourself, I'm often left incredulous by your utterly ridiculous posts

on myself..?..........i did almost fall off my chair laughing...................omg the dreaded red ink..is red ink Australian for a nasty blood thirsty monster?
and at no point EVER have i said he would gift us anything......

bedtime.........up in morning work work work..............

congrats btw..for answering in one go,last 2 posts.........breaking them down with red is so chucklesc.......makes you look like you can not absorb the whole post your answering...........

Your posts are too skittish. In order to answer all your queries I need to do them one by one or the reply wouldn't be readable as an answer.

The red also highlights the stupidity of what you are saying so it doesn't get lost in amongst the guff.

ah right..its someone elses fault?..........have you got scouse blood in you?

there must be hundreds of us skittish stupid posters on here eh............only you ,king,mega mouth,top guesser roathie is correct always..........beaut

It's no fault, it is reason why I cannot give just one answer. You go off on too many tangeants so need to apply an answer to each one. The red is to make it easier to read. You seem offended

No, there are only a few skittish posters that make debate an amazing experience. You, wez, Pembroke Allen and swansealad. The amount of brain cells you have put together is terrifying

the amount of brain cells etc etc etc...........laughing head?
really?
witty..........no
intelligent.........no
mature...........no
sharp......no

you sound like a child in a playground ...my dads better than your dad...........

im going now...........leave you to do some imaginary maths

That's not meant to be any of the above, it's just .

What do you expect when you come out with such rubbish

bedtime.........up in morning work work work..............

congrats btw..for answering in one go,last 2 posts.........breaking them down with red is so chucklesc.......makes you look like you can not absorb the whole post your answering...........

Your posts are too skittish. In order to answer all your queries I need to do them one by one or the reply wouldn't be readable as an answer.

The red also highlights the stupidity of what you are saying so it doesn't get lost in amongst the guff.

ah right..its someone elses fault?..........have you got scouse blood in you?

there must be hundreds of us skittish stupid posters on here eh............only you ,king,mega mouth,top guesser roathie is correct always..........beaut

It's no fault, it is reason why I cannot give just one answer. You go off on too many tangeants so need to apply an answer to each one. The red is to make it easier to read. You seem offended

No, there are only a few skittish posters that make debate an amazing experience. You, wez, Pembroke Allen and swansealad. The amount of brain cells you have put together is terrifying

the amount of brain cells etc etc etc...........laughing head?
really?
witty..........no
intelligent.........no
mature...........no
sharp......no

you sound like a child in a playground ...my dads better than your dad...........

im going now...........leave you to do some imaginary maths

That's not meant to be any of the above, it's just .

What do you expect when you come out with such rubbish

its just a desperate attempt to get somewhere near being on top by reverting to your childhood........yep

damn.............and i really thought you were getting better..........

Tan has said.......his family have told him to walk away............and sometimes others close to you can see something you can not.......its happened to me.............its not falling off planes on to escalators or what ever ridiculous rubbish you conjoured up....its real life
your assumptions are ALWAYS......businessmen will always make text book business judgments..and these ALWAYS work.....oh if life were so simple............your a bigger fool than i thought if you think that..........

red ink..broken down answers..lots of lols...laughing heads...unlucky kentucky...........your manner is that of a 12 year old........

That still makes no sense. You keep referring to "real life" while giving wild scenarios that rarely in this "real life". If you can't see that him selling for 30 million is more likely than him deciding to gift you 200 million for no reason then I despair

You bring the smileys and red text on yourself, I'm often left incredulous by your utterly ridiculous posts

on myself..?..........i did almost fall off my chair laughing...................omg the dreaded red ink..is red ink Australian for a nasty blood thirsty monster?
and at no point EVER have i said he would gift us anything......

So you now admit what I said is the most likely scenario after all

bedtime.........up in morning work work work..............

congrats btw..for answering in one go,last 2 posts.........breaking them down with red is so chucklesc.......makes you look like you can not absorb the whole post your answering...........

Your posts are too skittish. In order to answer all your queries I need to do them one by one or the reply wouldn't be readable as an answer.

The red also highlights the stupidity of what you are saying so it doesn't get lost in amongst the guff.

ah right..its someone elses fault?..........have you got scouse blood in you?

there must be hundreds of us skittish stupid posters on here eh............only you ,king,mega mouth,top guesser roathie is correct always..........beaut

It's no fault, it is reason why I cannot give just one answer. You go off on too many tangeants so need to apply an answer to each one. The red is to make it easier to read. You seem offended

No, there are only a few skittish posters that make debate an amazing experience. You, wez, Pembroke Allen and swansealad. The amount of brain cells you have put together is terrifying

the amount of brain cells etc etc etc...........laughing head?
really?
witty..........no
intelligent.........no
mature...........no
sharp......no

you sound like a child in a playground ...my dads better than your dad...........

im going now...........leave you to do some imaginary maths

That's not meant to be any of the above, it's just .

What do you expect when you come out with such rubbish

its just a desperate attempt to get somewhere near being on top by reverting to your childhood........yep

More dribble

damn.............and i really thought you were getting better..........

Tan has said.......his family have told him to walk away............and sometimes others close to you can see something you can not.......its happened to me.............its not falling off planes on to escalators or what ever ridiculous rubbish you conjoured up....its real life
your assumptions are ALWAYS......businessmen will always make text book business judgments..and these ALWAYS work.....oh if life were so simple............your a bigger fool than i thought if you think that..........

red ink..broken down answers..lots of lols...laughing heads...unlucky kentucky...........your manner is that of a 12 year old........

That still makes no sense. You keep referring to "real life" while giving wild scenarios that rarely in this "real life". If you can't see that him selling for 30 million is more likely than him deciding to gift you 200 million for no reason then I despair

You bring the smileys and red text on yourself, I'm often left incredulous by your utterly ridiculous posts

on myself..?..........i did almost fall off my chair laughing...................omg the dreaded red ink..is red ink Australian for a nasty blood thirsty monster?
and at no point EVER have i said he would gift us anything......

So you now admit what I said is the most likely scenario after all

where on earth did i say that...................look if your that desperate to be right for once heres a tip.......find a two horse race..........bet on both horses..............laughing heads..millions of them..and laughing louder than yours..nana nanana