Looks like even Moyes disagrees with Roathy

Bullshit I doubt you've ever been close to a football stadium.
My points still stand and make more sense than the tripe you came up with and your pathetic statue computer.

And I called you a f*cking idiot for acting like, well a f*cking idiot

If you can't debate properly without twisting and squirming your way and throwing in pathetic genocide comparisons then this internet lark isn't for you son

Stop getting so angry

I dont care what you doubt. You are a very bitter young man seemingly unable to make rational decisions, you are clouded by your anger. Your doubts are worthless... Unless you can prove otherwise of course?

Your points make no sense at all. You say fans decide who is a legend and then dismiss a fan calling Campbell a legend. You then change it to the masses choose so they are correct and then i show you that masses are not always correct and you flip your lid

Calm down, discuss properly, or log off. This internet lark doesnt seem for you son

Your posts are my proof.

And I'm very calm, why wouldn't I be? You seemed quite irate when being outed as an armchair fan.

Your comparison of masses in the context of football fans and genocide was pathetic and irrelevant.

I find it bizarre and comical that you don't think that its fans who bestow the honour of legend on a player. I think Dwyer is for Cardiff, what does your computer say?

He doesnt like this. But. Google Narcissism. his symptom is classic case. His is not Internet
it is real life. There is something difficult about this lonely man

Still haven't answered the question William, shall we repeat it until you do?
Is it people who determine if an event or person are worthy of the adjective legendary.
Do not avoid it this time!
It is an easy question, you afraid of getting it wrong William?

Hmmm what an odd situation. You cant be blind as you seem to be implying you are looking for the replies. Is it ignorance? I dont know, maybe ill try again...

Hi Martyn. You are correct, very simple question and one that has already been answered in full several times. In the interests of stopping this turning into a circular bore fest i suggest you scroll through and find them

Bullshit I doubt you've ever been close to a football stadium.
My points still stand and make more sense than the tripe you came up with and your pathetic statue computer.

And I called you a f*cking idiot for acting like, well a f*cking idiot

If you can't debate properly without twisting and squirming your way and throwing in pathetic genocide comparisons then this internet lark isn't for you son

Stop getting so angry

I dont care what you doubt. You are a very bitter young man seemingly unable to make rational decisions, you are clouded by your anger. Your doubts are worthless... Unless you can prove otherwise of course?

Your points make no sense at all. You say fans decide who is a legend and then dismiss a fan calling Campbell a legend. You then change it to the masses choose so they are correct and then i show you that masses are not always correct and you flip your lid

Calm down, discuss properly, or log off. This internet lark doesnt seem for you son

Your posts are my proof.

And I'm very calm, why wouldn't I be? You seemed quite irate when being outed as an armchair fan.

Your comparison of masses in the context of football fans and genocide was pathetic and irrelevant.

I find it bizarre and comical that you don't think that its fans who bestow the honour of legend on a player. I think Dwyer is for Cardiff, what does your computer say?

Really? Ok well case dismissed due to insufficient evidence from the prosecution, don't waste our time again - is the verdict.

The only one swearing and taking this off topic to become personal and make unfounded accusations in an apparent rage is you carps, just you

It wasnt a "comparison" at all, and it certainly wasnt irrelevant. It was showing you that the masses are, and indeed often, wrong. Simple as that. Of you didnt like it im afraid it is just something you are going to have to deal with.

I find it bizarre you are of the opinion fans can call anyone they like legends, but only if you agree. Whens the statue of Frazer campbell being wrected?

Football masses are never wrong when it comes to bestowing legendary status on a player. Just because there are examples of the masses getting it wrong in other walks of life (not that your example was acceptable of course) doesn't mean it applies in the context of football.

I haven't taken it off topic, I think you'll find you 'mentioned the war' not me. You also continue to bang on about campbell having brought him into it, not me. But then thats your style, twist and squirm, misquote and lie.

I've no idea what your gibberish highlighted above means.

He doesnt like this. But. Google Narcissism. his symptom is classic case. His is not Internet
it is real life. There is something difficult about this lonely man

it cuts me to the core.

Not a narcissist? The horror

Surely the act of describing someone as a legend is carried out by people? Who else could possibly describe an event or a person as legendary?

I can describe Price Harry as a Prince, but I wouldn't have made him a Prince. I can call Amir Khan an Olympic medalist, yet I wouldn't have chosen him to be one.

Legend status is born from incredible personal achievement standing you above the rest. Solskjaer doesn't have this.

How is this a perfectly fine answer to a simple question?
Who decides if you have achieved this incredible personal achievement? My guess is people!
Again you have reverted to irrelevant analogies, Prince Harry is indeed a Prince, that's indisputable. Amir Khan is an Olympic medalist, he has a medal to prove it! Each has a status that is indisputable! One by birth the other is personal achievement that earned him a specific status.
Legendary is not an adjective you can be born with or a medal you can specifically win! It is bestowed by the people who witness your actions.
For footballers the witnesses to you actions are fans, journalists, former players, managers. Examples of all these groups have described Ole as a legend.

Football masses are never wrong when it comes to bestowing legendary status on a player. Just because there are examples of the masses getting it wrong in other walks of life (not that your example was acceptable of course) doesn't mean it applies in the context of football.

I haven't taken it off topic, I think you'll find you 'mentioned the war' not me. You also continue to bang on about campbell having brought him into it, not me. But then thats your style, twist and squirm, misquote and lie.

I've no idea what your gibberish highlighted above means.

of course they are carps. As we have just discussed. Would Solskjaer be fitting of a statue in his honour outside old trafford? No. Would the other true legends such as Best, Charlton and Law? Certainly?

But why you ask? Because one is a fans favourite and the others are true legends.

Anyone getting deja vous?

Im not talking about the off topic war. It was perfectly on topic. You seem to have decided to talk about me rather than my opinion as usual when you start to lose. Just an observation not a criticism, you do as you wish.

No twisting here son. You said fans decide whi legends are yet you arent accepting a fan saying Campbell is because you dont agree

Football masses are never wrong when it comes to bestowing legendary status on a player. Just because there are examples of the masses getting it wrong in other walks of life (not that your example was acceptable of course) doesn't mean it applies in the context of football.

I haven't taken it off topic, I think you'll find you 'mentioned the war' not me. You also continue to bang on about campbell having brought him into it, not me. But then thats your style, twist and squirm, misquote and lie.

I've no idea what your gibberish highlighted above means.

of course they are carps. As we have just discussed. Would Solskjaer be fitting of a statue in his honour outside old trafford? No. Would the other true legends such as Best, Charlton and Law? Certainly?

But why you ask? Because one is a fans favourite and the others are true legends.

Anyone getting deja vous?

Im not talking about the off topic war. It was perfectly on topic. You seem to have decided to talk about me rather than my opinion as usual when you start to lose. Just an observation not a criticism, you do as you wish.

No twisting here son. You said fans decide whi legends are yet you arent accepting a fan saying Campbell is because you dont agree

How would you know, I've never lost an argument with you. There you go again with campbell, when I've said that one fans opinion doesn't make a legend. Remember the 'masses' point? Either you have a shockingly bad memory or you are just stupid. Just an observation not a criticism.

And it was you who decided that having a statue was the criteria, not me.

Fans decide legends by the way they remember players. Not a lone poster on a forum, but consensus of the masses over time.

If you don't like it so be it

How would you know, I've never lost an argument with you. There you go again with campbell, when I've said that one fans opinion doesn't make a legend. Remember the 'masses' point? Either you have a shockingly bad memory or you are just stupid. Just an observation not a criticism.

And it was you who decided that having a statue was the criteria, not me.

Fans decide legends by the way they remember players. Not a lone poster on a forum, but consensus of the masses over time.

If you don't like it so be it

Course not Carps

You only changed it to the masses after i informed you of the campbell fact

I have never decided having a statue was criteria. I said if a legend was considered for a statue there would be no objection to it what so ever due to their obvious standing and achievements in the game.

If someone suggested to the people at Old Trafford to have a statue of Solskjaer they would probably laugh more than me seeing you get angry over an opinion

Still waiting for my answer William!
Is it people who decide if a person deserves the adjective legendary?
No running away now, I have shown you haven't answered,
Try these very simple words, yes, no, I don't know.

Still waiting for my answer William!
Is it people who decide if a person deserves the adjective legendary?
No running away now, I have shown you haven't answered,
Try these very simple words, yes, no, I don't know.

Hi Martyn. Thanks for the same question again

Response is still the same mate. Its already been answered in full and several times. Put a bit of donkey work in and have a wee look for them pal

How would you know, I've never lost an argument with you. There you go again with campbell, when I've said that one fans opinion doesn't make a legend. Remember the 'masses' point? Either you have a shockingly bad memory or you are just stupid. Just an observation not a criticism.

And it was you who decided that having a statue was the criteria, not me.

Fans decide legends by the way they remember players. Not a lone poster on a forum, but consensus of the masses over time.

If you don't like it so be it

Course not Carps

You only changed it to the masses after i informed you of the campbell fact

I have never decided having a statue was criteria. I said if a legend was considered for a statue there would be no objection to it what so ever due to their obvious standing and achievements in the game.

If someone suggested to the people at Old Trafford to have a statue of Solskjaer they would probably laugh more than me seeing you get angry over an opinion

You came up with the statue criteria.
Where did I say that the opinion of one fan decided legendary status? You're getting desperate now. Sorry I should say even more desperate.

Desperate? Not a jot

I think its fairly common sense that a legend is befitting of a statue should it be decided to bestow the honour on them.

Hence you dont see to many statues of your John O'Sheas

William is scared to answer a simple question! If the answer was out there he would have provided the quote!
The narcissist just can't admit that it is the concensus of people, who witness acts or people, that decides if they are worthy of the adjective legendary.
When faced with a choice of the opinion of William or the opinions of thousands of Manchester United fans, Norwegian fans, award winning journalists or managers such as Moyes with regard to Ole's status, I just don't know which side to choose.
The dilemma, such a worry!

William is scared to answer a simple question! If the answer was out there he would have provided the quote!
The narcissist just can't admit that it is the concensus of people, who witness acts or people, that decides if they are worthy of the adjective legendary.
When faced with a choice of the opinion of William or the opinions of thousands of Manchester United fans, Norwegian fans, award winning journalists or managers such as Moyes with regard to Ole's status, I just don't know which side to choose.
The dilemma, such a worry!

Have you not read this thread?

Christ Martyn you are funny

Desperate? Not a jot

I think its fairly common sense that a legend is befitting of a statue should it be decided to bestow the honour on them.

Hence you dont see to many statues of your John O'Sheas

So you did come up with the statue criteria
Where did I say the opinion of one fan decided legendary status?

The Swansea fans are crazy, really. This argument It is really as stupid as a Swansea fan going to United pubs and arguing with the locals and saying Ole Gunnar Solksjaer cannot be a United legend because now he manages Cardiff. The answer will I
think be when Ole enters the pitch tomorrow night and will be embarrassing for the Swansea fans. It proves only the
stupidity and maybe blind hatred of all things Capital

Again, you fail to understand the distinction between Cardiff, the capital of Wales and Cardiff City. We don't hate our capital city, we merely amuse ourselves with the ridiculous laughing stock which is the football club that plays there!

Not this instance. it is ridiculous attack on Ole legendary status at Old Trafford. He is adored there as will
be proven tonight. Legend. Loved. The suggestion was that he is not a legend. That suggestion was only
made because now he is manager at Cardiff. It is not different to Cardiff support saying Laudrup wasnt a
World Class footballer just because now he manages Swans. childish

Again, I ask. What is the criteria to be a legend?

Answer the question William!
You are little frightened to do so? Get your fiancé to hold your hand for you if you are uncomfortable.

Desperate? Not a jot

I think its fairly common sense that a legend is befitting of a statue should it be decided to bestow the honour on them.

Hence you dont see to many statues of your John O'Sheas

So you did come up with the statue criteria
Where did I say the opinion of one fan decided legendary status?

Criteria? It is not a criteria but a factual situation upon being a legend. Common sense dictates this.

If you are not befitting of a statue in a world where statues are regularly made for their clubs Legends. Then surely by definition, you are not a legend?

Answer the question William!
You are little frightened to do so? Get your fiancé to hold your hand for you if you are uncomfortable.

already answered Martyn. Hold your Roathie doll if it helps you look

Someone better phone Utd fans and tell them that they can't think of Ole as a legend because some freak in Australia says he isn't.

You hiding behind different personas again turd shredder?
Humour me, answer the question, or has the fiancé popped out for few hours?

You hiding behind different personas again turd shredder?
Humour me, answer the question, or has the fiancé popped out for few hours?

Turd shredder...Thats a new one

Quite the intellect

So do legends need statues to be legends? What criteria do they use before they build the statue? Is it people who decide to build the statue or decide if a person is worthy of consideration for a statue?

Desperate? Not a jot

I think its fairly common sense that a legend is befitting of a statue should it be decided to bestow the honour on them.

Hence you dont see to many statues of your John O'Sheas

So you did come up with the statue criteria
Where did I say the opinion of one fan decided legendary status?

Criteria? It is not a criteria but a factual situation upon being a legend. Common sense dictates this.

If you are not befitting of a statue in a world where statues are regularly made for their clubs Legends. Then surely by definition, you are not a legend?

I don't agree that to be a legend you need to have a statue

Where did I say the opinion of one fan decided legendary status?

So do legends need statues to be legends? What criteria do they use before they build the statue? Is it people who decide to build the statue or decide if a person is worthy of consideration for a statue?

The fact you even have to ask that suggests you havent even read this page let alone understand the thread.

Desperate? Not a jot

I think its fairly common sense that a legend is befitting of a statue should it be decided to bestow the honour on them.

Hence you dont see to many statues of your John O'Sheas

So you did come up with the statue criteria
Where did I say the opinion of one fan decided legendary status?

Criteria? It is not a criteria but a factual situation upon being a legend. Common sense dictates this.

If you are not befitting of a statue in a world where statues are regularly made for their clubs Legends. Then surely by definition, you are not a legend?

I don't agree that to be a legend you need to have a statue

Where did I say the opinion of one fan decided legendary status?

You are disagreeing with a standpoint nobody has.

Who has said to be a legend you need a statue then?

Desperate? Not a jot

I think its fairly common sense that a legend is befitting of a statue should it be decided to bestow the honour on them.

Hence you dont see to many statues of your John O'Sheas

So you did come up with the statue criteria
Where did I say the opinion of one fan decided legendary status?

Criteria? It is not a criteria but a factual situation upon being a legend. Common sense dictates this.

If you are not befitting of a statue in a world where statues are regularly made for their clubs Legends. Then surely by definition, you are not a legend?

I don't agree that to be a legend you need to have a statue

Where did I say the opinion of one fan decided legendary status?

You are disagreeing with a standpoint nobody has.

Who has said to be a legend you need a statue then?

Where did I say the opinion of one fan decided legendary status?

Desperate? Not a jot

I think its fairly common sense that a legend is befitting of a statue should it be decided to bestow the honour on them.

Hence you dont see to many statues of your John O'Sheas

So you did come up with the statue criteria
Where did I say the opinion of one fan decided legendary status?

Criteria? It is not a criteria but a factual situation upon being a legend. Common sense dictates this.

If you are not befitting of a statue in a world where statues are regularly made for their clubs Legends. Then surely by definition, you are not a legend?

I don't agree that to be a legend you need to have a statue

Where did I say the opinion of one fan decided legendary status?

You are disagreeing with a standpoint nobody has.

Who has said to be a legend you need a statue then?

Where did I say the opinion of one fan decided legendary status?

Where did I say a legend requires a statue to be a legend?

It is impossible to debate with a person who won't or can not answer straight forward questions. Quote the answers you have provided, you are normally so quick to do so.
Suggests to me you know quite well that the posters who have asserted that it is the concensus of people that decides if a person should be described as a legend are correct and you are wrong!
Does that sentence hurt you without your fiancé there to hold your hand?
Just imagine, if you can, the first PERSON who described in an article, I would imagine, Pele as a legend. It must have been a person, can't imagine any other animal or inanimate object making that decision, can you?

It is impossible to debate with a person who won't or can not answer straight forward questions. Quote the answers you have provided, you are normally so quick to do so.
Suggests to me you know quite well that the posters who have asserted that it is the concensus of people that decides if a person should be described as a legend are correct and you are wrong!
Does that sentence hurt you without your fiancé there to hold your hand?
Just imagine, if you can, the first PERSON who described in an article, I would imagine, Pele as a legend. It must have been a person, can't imagine any other animal or inanimate object making that decision, can you?

i dont know many more times to say this - read the thread Martyn. You are about 8 steps behind the conversation pal