FAO Sian Branson / Jon Candy

Anyone who slags the blue off, are not true Cardiff City fans end of !!! They are mainly Johnny come lately premiership at all cost supporters, soon as we are playing Barnet they will be know where to be seen

What a load of b***ocks!!

Once again, you are 'tarring' people with a brush to suit your own personal agenda

True fans are those who want what is best for their club; even if that occasionally means compromise (in this case, accepting Tan's wishes on the colour in exchange for the success we are all currently enjoying)

Haven't seen too many "walk away", but I've heard plenty of double standards being administered from the comfort of their seats inside the 'buzzing' CCS and 27,000+ people can't be wrong!

What a load of b***ocks!!

Once again, you are 'tarring' people with a brush to suit your own personal agenda

True fans are those who want what is best for their club; even if that occasionally means compromise (in this case, accepting Tan's wishes on the colour in exchange for the success we are all currently enjoying)

Haven't seen too many "walk away", but I've heard plenty of double standards being administered from the comfort of their seats inside the 'buzzing' CCS and 27,000+ people can't be wrong!

Anyone who thinks that attendance means that they support the rebrand, are also talking bollocks Sven.

What a load of b***ocks!!

Once again, you are 'tarring' people with a brush to suit your own personal agenda

True fans are those who want what is best for their club; even if that occasionally means compromise (in this case, accepting Tan's wishes on the colour in exchange for the success we are all currently enjoying)

Haven't seen too many "walk away", but I've heard plenty of double standards being administered from the comfort of their seats inside the 'buzzing' CCS and 27,000+ people can't be wrong!

Anyone who thinks that attendance means that they support the rebrand, are also talking bollocks Sven.

What a load of b***ocks!!

Once again, you are 'tarring' people with a brush to suit your own personal agenda

True fans are those who want what is best for their club; even if that occasionally means compromise (in this case, accepting Tan's wishes on the colour in exchange for the success we are all currently enjoying)

Haven't seen too many "walk away", but I've heard plenty of double standards being administered from the comfort of their seats inside the 'buzzing' CCS and 27,000+ people can't be wrong!

Anyone who thinks that attendance means that they support the rebrand, are also talking bollocks Sven.

Financially, I guess they are; although you have jumped on the wrong message. I was having a go at the 'true fans' message, which even you will admit is b***ocks, fella

I fail to see in there where I mention "everyone inside supports the rebrand" when I was stating that I believed there were double standards being displayed. I can't claim it both ways

Nice to see the 'Laughing Hyena" is following your posts tonight, mate

Can't you see that this mud slagging as you call it works both ways and that certain things said about the fans who just want to watch their club play have got their backs up. How do you expect these fans to support BU after this all it's done is turn them against BU

It probably does go both ways, but on here, in recent weeks those slagging off the pro-blues have been far more vocal, and honest to god, it does depress me. I don't understand them.

I won't name names. I respect their opinion to embrace the rebrand, but the lies and mudslinging about those who are defending our colours is outrageous in my opinion.

it defo goes both ways the mud slinging ,fair enough protest cardiff kid and it s your right to do so but most so called pro bu fans are mocking people like me who have excepted the rebrand in return for financial security of our club

No they mock you because the excuse of financial stability can no longer be used to justify keeping us a crappy red colour. So perhaps you will now indicate how you intend to support the blue cause.

Justify that 64, why is it no longer justifiable, tan leaves will that still mean we are financially stable? No it won't ask Birmingham how the feel after Carson young cane in after Sullivan and the porn Barron?
The only reason we are still alive as a club is tan simple as that! I respect him for that simple

And you a day the pro blues get a head time OP and the posts since are telling anyone who doesn't agree they don't care about heritage and that they are disgraceful supporters that's mocking is it not?

So practise what your all preaching and respect the views of people who couldn't give a shit about colour and who like red!

After all we all support Cardiff and just because colour isn't as much as an issue to some as it is to others you get on your morale high horse.

I pay my money as you do and I'll watch city regardless of what u or anyone else says, I think tan has done excellent work colour aside that's my opinion, I'll still enjoy my day out whether we play ok blue red or mr blobby outfits and that's my right

What about the abuse some of the non supporting BU/KCB or other protests have had?
If you don't support them, then you've sold your soul. You get called a redbird and are enemies to some of those who support BU. Do I need to remind you of the Blackburn "protest" last season?

I have no problems with these sort of groups because they did fight for the right reason (get blue back) now they want Tan out which I will not support.

The abuse goes back and forth between both non supporting BU etc and BU members so don't play the victim.

Didn't have a problem with BU but it is just how they are run.

Spot on post, like the majority of fans I will support the club as well as the team. It's about time people realised what a great future this club now has if handled the right way and started to appreciate the great things Tan has done for our club.

Having a protest march calling for him to go is futile as Tan is not going to change his mind after investing all that money. If anything I think fans will need to prepare themselves for future changes where some on this forum will have to make the decision whether they will ever go and set foot in the stadium again.

You haven't read a single damned thing I've written have you?

The march isn't about Tan going, it's about showing a f*cking pride in the bluebird and the colour blue.

You don't care about that, that's fine, it's up to you, but stop slandering and slagging off people that do.

I had enough of people slagging off the bluebird from Mancs and scousers when I was growing in school in Cardiff. I haven't come this far to hear it all again.

I'll try and spell it out clearly for you, because I'm truly getting sick of putting up with this.

THE MARCH IS NOT ANTI TAN IT IS PRO BLUE. PLEASE STOP TELLING LIES AND TRYING TO CREATE ANGER TOWARDS PEOPLE WHO ARE PROUD OF OUR CLUBS TRUE IDENTITY.

I have read it and you call everyone who doesn't support your opinion not a true supporter so less of the morale high ground

And for your information the BU despite original good efforts has become the TAN OUT brigade

It's there for everyone to see

And if your so proud of out history get your riverside shirt out cis that's who we are for Fuchs sake!!!

Stop spouting identity and history if you not even supporting our TRUE identity

f*cking boring me now

What depresses me is the holyier than thou BU trying to tell others what to think and do.

But you say nothing about the holyier than though Tan dictating red to the fans and team selections to Malky.

Tan owns the club. He can dictate.

And face the cosequences then

I know, prem football, top class players, debt free eventually, new training facilities. etc

Sad eh?

Still, keep banging the drum, it makes Tan even more deaf.

And you still feel like you are watching the same club?

Na I must be watching someone else who has our line up in our stadium in our capital for fucks sake get a grip your like two year old spitting his dummy out

If you are so disillusioned that you don't believe it's the same club then I'll ask you once and once only WHY THE f**k ARE YOU STILL ATTENDING THE CCS TO WATCH CARDIFF CITY FC PLAY FOOTBALL!

Your such a numpty I don't think you even read what you are posting

Can you say as BU committee members If the BU are happy to have Tan own Cardiff City as long as he changes us back to Blue, or do the BU want him out of Cardiff City. There is so much being said at the moment I'm sure lots of fans would like to know what the BU stance is on this

we want Tan out,we are disgusted by the red bully brigade, we want our blue back, our big bluebird,we want a say in the club, us and the trust Tim have joined together to march on Tan, see ya Sunday

Hope u got £200m then fella if not shit the f**k up

No point saying u want him out otherwise is there?

Have u got people ready to take over the day to day running of Cardiff city footba club as well as billionaire backers?

To be honest you probably don't think that far ahead

Hope the new owner isn't another Carson yeung! Just ask Birmingham fans how they feel!

Hope there's a few people with brains at the BU cos quite frankly what I read and see is beggars belief on times

Come on then let's here it?

Do they have any idea just what they will do should tan throw the towel in?

Come on there's a few bright sparks on here who I'm sure have the answers?

How much is the club worth at present?

My estimate is near on £200m if debt converted to equity and once stadium expansion and training grounds complete this will be close the figure believe me!

So all you clever BU people and anyone that wants tan out?

Do you a billionaire backer ready to take over?

If not do you have between £150-200mspare cash yourselves?

If you have the backer in question, will they control the club?

If they don't want control but want the shares are any of you qualified to run a football club? Championship manager doesn't count?

If your not who will run day to day affairs?

Will your backer change us back to blue?

Just a few questions to get started I'm expecting some absolute corkers here!

Cheers

Come on then let's here it?

Do they have any idea just what they will do should tan throw the towel in?

Come on there's a few bright sparks on here who I'm sure have the answers?

How much is the club worth at present?

My estimate is near on £200m if debt converted to equity and once stadium expansion and training grounds complete this will be close the figure believe me!

So all you clever BU people and anyone that wants tan out?

Do you a billionaire backer ready to take over?

If not do you have between £150-200mspare cash yourselves?

If you have the backer in question, will they control the club?

If they don't want control but want the shares are any of you qualified to run a football club? Championship manager doesn't count?

If your not who will run day to day affairs?

Will your backer change us back to blue?

Just a few questions to get started I'm expecting some absolute corkers here!

Cheers

Few more?

How do you plan to deal with the £2m estimated losses per month at present?

These are not confirmed yet in premiership due to increased revenue but I'd estimate they are higher losses now than last year
Mainly cos wages will have shot up drastically, season ticket revenue hasn't increased plus expansion to stadium and training facilities will cost millions?

So how are u to deal with this guys?

That's just one other issue

If we stay up will ticket prices increase now the gold ticket scheme is over?

What's your future plans for future investment? Ie commercially in sponsors etc

Get your tin hat out mate.

I got a tenner

Not convinced there are only x2 pro-blue groups ! There are those who are vociferous , those who are visible and those who purport they want the blue back but do absolutely jerk all about it because they're drunk on Tan's millions & the PL dream ! My soul won't be jumping into Tan's back pocket !

I am all for Return to blue and natural identity.
But I question the judgement of campaigning against an owner and asking him to walk with the hope that someone else will come in for us.

Does seem very short sighted.

This thread is Groundhog Day

i have read Jon Candys response to you last night a couple of times.

and from that.i have to say NO. he isnt crystal clear on how he thinks,let alone know what BUs stance on Tan out is.

rambled on about everyone having their own individual thoughts. very disappointing response tbh

they were set up as a group to Unite fans in an effort to put pressure on Tan to get our colours back, it certainly isnt a sole aim anymore.
myself...ive made an effort to wear blue every game since the re brand { i didnt used to wear colours }.it was my personal protest. i dont think by any stretch i am alone in doing this..i will again wear my blue Sunday, but if it starts to look like wearing blue can be taken as wanting Tan out or infact anything other than a protest purely against red,i think ill just go back to wearing ordinary clothing

I am all for Return to blue and natural identity.
But I question the judgement of campaigning against an owner and asking him to walk with the hope that someone else will come in for us.

Does seem very short sighted.

Extremely valid point ! On the flip-side silent acquiescence does nothing other than strengthen Vincent Tan's hand ! The owner's silence on the matter leaves fans with only two options , the one mentioned above or visible , laudable action ! There is no middle line here as I see it ...... sadly !

Not convinced there are only x2 pro-blue groups ! There are those who are vociferous , those who are visible and those who purport they want the blue back but do absolutely jerk all about it because they're drunk on Tan's millions & the PL dream ! My soul won't be jumping into Tan's back pocket !

its not always those that shout the loudest care the most.
its dependent on what they shout

I am all for Return to blue and natural identity.
But I question the judgement of campaigning against an owner and asking him to walk with the hope that someone else will come in for us.

Does seem very short sighted.

Which BU haven't done.

i have read Jon Candys response to you last night a couple of times.

and from that.i have to say NO. he isnt crystal clear on how he thinks,let alone know what BUs stance on Tan out is.

rambled on about everyone having their own individual thoughts. very disappointing response tbh

they were set up as a group to Unite fans in an effort to put pressure on Tan to get our colours back, it certainly isnt a sole aim anymore.
myself...ive made an effort to wear blue every game since the re brand { i didnt used to wear colours }.it was my personal protest. i dont think by any stretch i am alone in doing this..i will again wear my blue Sunday, but if it starts to look like wearing blue can be taken as wanting Tan out or infact anything other than a protest purely against red,i think ill just go back to wearing ordinary clothing

The impression I got from Johns response was his intentions were to return the true identity of Cardiff City.
But recent events have forced them to alter course and go for the full removal of tan.

That's my interpretation of his opinion, I respect it but I do not agree with it.

Interesting that no one has answered my valid question on this thread.


Topic put to bed as far as I'm concerned.

Not convinced there are only x2 pro-blue groups ! There are those who are vociferous , those who are visible and those who purport they want the blue back but do absolutely jerk all about it because they're drunk on Tan's millions & the PL dream ! My soul won't be jumping into Tan's back pocket !

its not always those that shout the loudest care the most.
its dependent on what they shout

What if you don't shout at all !?! What if you shout against those who are showing how much they care by shouting .... just in a different direction to you ?!

There is no high ground here ?! A divided fan base works to Vincent Tan's advantage allowing him free reign to railroad his plans ....... the good and the bad !

Once again we have uncertainty ! BU members DO NOT , CAN NOT possibly know the identity of any potential future owner but just as certainly the Redbirds DO NOT , CAN NOT know Vincent Tan's plans for the club !

Can you say as BU committee members If the BU are happy to have Tan own Cardiff City as long as he changes us back to Blue, or do the BU want him out of Cardiff City. There is so much being said at the moment I'm sure lots of fans would like to know what the BU stance is on this

we want Tan out,we are disgusted by the red bully brigade, we want our blue back, our big bluebird,we want a say in the club, us and the trust Tim have joined together to march on Tan, see ya Sunday

Hope u got £200m then fella if not shit the f**k up

No point saying u want him out otherwise is there?

Have u got people ready to take over the day to day running of Cardiff city footba club as well as billionaire backers?

To be honest you probably don't think that far ahead

Hope the new owner isn't another Carson yeung! Just ask Birmingham fans how they feel!

Hope there's a few people with brains at the BU cos quite frankly what I read and see is beggars belief on times

my advice to you is why don't you go to one of BUs meeting and find out yourself what they are all about instead of judging them from what some say on here.

Instead of marches, banners and offensive behaviour that belittles both you, the club and even the rest of us, surely a more constructive thing to do is put your efforts into finding some other investor with deep enough pockets to buy him out. Even if you were sucessful, you'll probably find the new owner as ruthless if not more so than the present one. As for wanting "a say" in club affairs just makes me laugh. The billionaires capable of buying the club haven't got where they are by being bullied or pressured by the discontented few.
Until the day you find someone (and I hope that you do), we should all be grateful to Tan for being THE ONLY ONE who has had the balls to stump up the cash to keep the club running. People have short memories of administration or even going out of existence.

Good luck with the search. There must be a queue of people....

The march is Pro Blue, nothing to do with Tan in or out.

How many times do people need to be told?

Instead of marches, banners and offensive behaviour that belittles both you, the club and even the rest of us, surely a more constructive thing to do is put your efforts into finding some other investor with deep enough pockets to buy him out. Even if you were sucessful, you'll probably find the new owner as ruthless if not more so than the present one. As for wanting "a say" in club affairs just makes me laugh. The billionaires capable of buying the club haven't got where they are by being bullied or pressured by the discontented few.
Until the day you find someone (and I hope that you do), we should all be grateful to Tan for being THE ONLY ONE who has had the balls to stump up the cash to keep the club running. People have short memories of administration or even going out of existence.

Good luck with the search. There must be a queue of people....

And you know for sure that there is not Tim?

The march is Pro Blue, nothing to do with Tan in or out.

How many times do people need to be told?

Where has he mentioned the march ?

As much as BU do it the wrong way (Sometimes) at least they are actually doing something, Something is better than nothing. BU have also brought it to the attention of the media too, I'm pretty sure Tan won't like the negative press he's getting, Even from the Malaysian press.

The more blue tomorrow, the better. On TV, banners and blue will be a talking point if picked up, At least the rest of the footballing world will know we are not happy with the reb***d and we are not all sell outs.

i have read Jon Candys response to you last night a couple of times.

and from that.i have to say NO. he isnt crystal clear on how he thinks,let alone know what BUs stance on Tan out is.

rambled on about everyone having their own individual thoughts. very disappointing response tbh

they were set up as a group to Unite fans in an effort to put pressure on Tan to get our colours back, it certainly isnt a sole aim anymore.
myself...ive made an effort to wear blue every game since the re brand { i didnt used to wear colours }.it was my personal protest. i dont think by any stretch i am alone in doing this..i will again wear my blue Sunday, but if it starts to look like wearing blue can be taken as wanting Tan out or infact anything other than a protest purely against red,i think ill just go back to wearing ordinary clothing

The impression I got from Johns response was his intentions were to return the true identity of Cardiff City.
But recent events have forced them to alter course and go for the full removal of tan.

That's my interpretation of his opinion, I respect it but I do not agree with it.

The thing with this sort of thing is that its comes down to politics.

When Saddam Hussien invaded Kuwait he was given the chance to leave. He didn't so war was needed to return to the rightful situation and that was to give Kuwait its freedom. The primary goal was to free kuwait. the path was diplomacy followed by war.

BU goal is to get the blue back. So far they have asked for it. If Tan continues to refuse of which lets be honest that is exactly what he is doing then the next bit in my opinion is to oust him out. Of course that is my opinion but is it BUs opinion? Only way to find out is go to one of their meetings and ask the question.

As much as BU do it the wrong way (Sometimes) at least they are actually doing something, Something is better than nothing. BU have also brought it to the attention of the media too, I'm pretty sure Tan won't like the negative press he's getting, Even from the Malaysian press.

The more blue tomorrow, the better. On TV, banners and blue will be a talking point if picked up, At least the rest of the footballing world will know we are not happy with the reb***d and we are not all sell outs.

Bottom line Kanny.