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Of course. Surely its no suprise, if i get banned for no reason i will return. Is a simple formula.

Why?

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Of course. Surely its no suprise, if i get banned for no reason i will return. Is a simple formula.

Why?

Because i dont give in to bullies Ian. Im giving my footballing opinion and giving it in a fair manner. If people decided to just give in and allow themselves to be silenced then Mandela would probably still be in jail.

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Of course. Surely its no suprise, if i get banned for no reason i will return. Is a simple formula.

Why?

Because i dont give in to bullies Ian. Im giving my footballing opinion and giving it in a fair manner. If people decided to just give in and allow themselves to be silenced then Mandela would probably still be in jail.

Comparing yourself to Nelson Mandela now.


I just rolled off my bed laughing. Glad I was using my smashed up phone and not the laptop to read that comment.

f**k


P.s your not giving a footballing opinion your arguing any and every point for the sake of it.

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Of course. Surely its no suprise, if i get banned for no reason i will return. Is a simple formula.

Why?

Because i dont give in to bullies Ian. Im giving my footballing opinion and giving it in a fair manner. If people decided to just give in and allow themselves to be silenced then Mandela would probably still be in jail.

Bullying! Actually its you being the bully by derailing the threads. Your just looking for a bite/argument. Anyone can post an argument by using menial facts. Just most of us can not be arsed with it.

I'm no pyschologist but I do get the impression you were bullied at school and this is your way of getting revenge.

Where was i comparing myself to Mandela? I mentioned him. You mentioned me, are you comparing yourself to me?

Im not arguing about anything young man. Im debating what increases fanbases. If you dont wish to partake then move along, if you do then you are more than welcome to join in.

However the contribution like the one im responding to is the very type of response designed to create the arguments you are complaining about.

Bullying! Actually its you being the bully by derailing the threads. Your just looking for a bite/argument. Anyone can post an argument by using menial facts. Just most of us can not be arsed with it.

I'm no pyschologist but I do get the impression you were bullied at school and this is your way of getting revenge.

Yes absolutely bullying.

Interesting theory Ian, however if you look at my posts how is it derailing anything? I give my on topic opinion and the thread evolves due to the responses. Its called conversation or debate.

Little digs at me only proves that you are indeed a bully. A quick google search will show you the traits of someone who was bullied at school and it is usually abusing power at an older stage. I think banning someone for talking about football comes under that yet i dont offer these off topic digs at you or at anyone else even when they are clearly warranted (like in this instance) as im here purely to talk football.

Copy and paste for me something ive said which you find bannable then?

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Freeeee Nelson Mandela

Bullying! Actually its you being the bully by derailing the threads. Your just looking for a bite/argument. Anyone can post an argument by using menial facts. Just most of us can not be arsed with it.

I'm no pyschologist but I do get the impression you were bullied at school and this is your way of getting revenge.

Yes absolutely bullying.

Interesting theory Ian, however if you look at my posts how is it derailing anything? I give my on topic opinion and the thread evolves due to the responses. Its called conversation or debate.

Little digs at me only proves that you are indeed a bully. A quick google search will show you the traits of someone who was bullied at school and it is usually abusing power at an older stage. I think banning someone for talking about football comes under that yet i dont offer these off topic digs at you or at anyone else even when they are clearly warranted (like in this instance) as im here purely to talk football.

Copy and paste for me something ive said which you find bannable then?

Phillip if this was a party by the end of the night no one would want to talk to you.

Your "debating" is just nick picking and to be honest boring.

Freeeee Nelson Mandela

He was freed a long time ago due to perseverance, endeavour and common sense.

Freeeee Nelson Mandela

He was freed a long time ago due to perseverance, endeavour and common sense.

Prime example of how to date it into a bore.

Bullying! Actually its you being the bully by derailing the threads. Your just looking for a bite/argument. Anyone can post an argument by using menial facts. Just most of us can not be arsed with it.

I'm no pyschologist but I do get the impression you were bullied at school and this is your way of getting revenge.

Yes absolutely bullying.

Interesting theory Ian, however if you look at my posts how is it derailing anything? I give my on topic opinion and the thread evolves due to the responses. Its called conversation or debate.

Little digs at me only proves that you are indeed a bully. A quick google search will show you the traits of someone who was bullied at school and it is usually abusing power at an older stage. I think banning someone for talking about football comes under that yet i dont offer these off topic digs at you or at anyone else even when they are clearly warranted (like in this instance) as im here purely to talk football.

Copy and paste for me something ive said which you find bannable then?

Phillip if this was a party by the end of the night no one would want to talk to you.

Your "debating" is just nick picking and to be honest boring.

Phillip?

Ian im afraid that is such a kop out, it really is. You make accusations yet time and time again yet to back them up with anything.

Where then have i nit picked? My debate here is that i believe recent success is far more relevant that success 80 years ago due to exposure if the modern game and the fact that people experiencing a 1920's win are now dead and thus unable to go to the games as a result.

How is this in any way shape or form nitpicking? Or is this the new buzzword taken over from trolling when someone makes a valid point that someone doesnt like?

Prime example of how to date it into a bore.

What?

I dont understand what that even means, however the fact it seems you now are banning me because you find me boring is a prime example of everything ive just said. Its disgusting behaviour that shows a terrible ego, everything you accuse me of ironically even though i show no traits what so ever. you find me boring so ban me

Put me on ignore if you dont find my posts entertaining, restricting someones free speech because you arent entertained is shocking and everything that is bad about a moderator.

Just look above.

Just look above.

At?

Think I'll come back when this boring feeling has gone from me.

Think I'll come back when this boring feeling has gone from me.

So still yet to back up anything you have said just goading and insult hurling (everything this board is trying to purge itself of) even when ive done no such like to you.

You have added nothing what so ever to this debate yet accuse me of being boring and as a result ban me, im sure its far more boring listening to you telling everyone how boring i am when the thread is designed to discuss attendances, show some self restraint man.

Maybe you need to find a more exciting hobby as talking football certainly doesnt seem to be your thing.

Bullying! Actually its you being the bully by derailing the threads. Your just looking for a bite/argument. Anyone can post an argument by using menial facts. Just most of us can not be arsed with it.

I'm no pyschologist but I do get the impression you were bullied at school and this is your way of getting revenge.

Yes absolutely bullying.

Interesting theory Ian, however if you look at my posts how is it derailing anything? I give my on topic opinion and the thread evolves due to the responses. Its called conversation or debate.

Little digs at me only proves that you are indeed a bully. A quick google search will show you the traits of someone who was bullied at school and it is usually abusing power at an older stage. I think banning someone for talking about football comes under that yet i dont offer these off topic digs at you or at anyone else even when they are clearly warranted (like in this instance) as im here purely to talk football.

Copy and paste for me something ive said which you find bannable then?

Phillip if this was a party by the end of the night no one would want to talk to you.

Your "debating" is just nick picking and to be honest boring.

Phillip?

Ian im afraid that is such a kop out, it really is. You make accusations yet time and time again yet to back them up with anything.

Where then have i nit picked? My debate here is that i believe recent success is far more relevant that success 80 years ago due to exposure if the modern game and the fact that people experiencing a 1920's win are now dead and thus unable to go to the games as a result.

How is this in any way shape or form nitpicking? Or is this the new buzzword taken over from trolling when someone makes a valid point that someone doesnt like?

My dad suppors city, so did his dad and his dad..so the relevance of our cup win all them years back is that now loads of members of my family are Cardiff fans, passed down generations.

Its why there are Welsh fans of clubs such as Leeds and forest as they were successful years ago and people supported them in the 70s and 80s.

My dad suppors city, so did his dad and his dad..so the relevance of our cup win all them years back is that now loads of members of my family are Cardiff fans, passed down generations.

Its why there are Welsh fans of clubs such as Leeds and forest as they were successful years ago and people supported them in the 70s and 80s.

Indeed. However along the way those fans get lost and trust me, 85 years is a long way... Not every son is going to support his dads team and people die - so the longer the time elapses the weaker the effect it will have as the effect gets dilluted along the way.

You were getting 3,000 crowds 15 years ago after a long period of no success what so ever. You were at base level, as were we. This is why recent success is far more relevant to fan bases TODAY.

When your crowd went from 3,000 to 6,000 then from 6,000 to 12,000 and then 12,000 to 17,000 etc etc etc none of these increases were to do with a cup win 85 years ago, they were due to RECENT successes, promotions, cup finals etc etc

Our fan base has incresed to to recent successes to, just like any other clubs fanbase would. Among these successes is a cup win, that cup win will be increasing our fan base more TODAY than yours 85 years ago would be doing for you today.

This is surely common sense?

I supported us from a young age,didn't always go in the 90s as I guess loads didn't for whatever reasons they had,money,family or work commitments it don't mean only 3k suppored Cardiff in the 90s because that's all that were going to games..

I can't talk with you. Seriously you are hard work.

Ignoring you from now on. Pelter.

I supported us from a young age,didn't always go in the 90s as I guess loads didn't for whatever reasons they had,money,family or work commitments it don't mean only 3k suppored Cardiff in the 90s because that's all that were going to games..

I can't talk with you. Seriously you are hard work.

Ignoring you from now on. Pelter.

If you think debate is hard work when faced with very sensible material then you shouldnt be here. Im stating facts, this isnt a crazy theory, this is obvious. Work commitments werent more prevelant in the 90's than now its just a crazy notion, people didnt go be ause the team wasnt successful. Simoe as that, this is why premier league teams get bigger attendances than league 2 teams.

The fact is fan base grows due to success and then slowly receeds should it not be maintained due to thinning. This happens in all walks of life not just football, these are common and obvious things we are discussing here.

Whenever you had signifficant attendance increased they were always for a reason, and new stadium aside were always due to RECENT SUCCESS at no point in the last 20 years did you ever get a big attendance boost because you won a cuo in the 1920's, any increase would have been seen AT THE TIME, which im sure if you look at the records it almost certainly did.

So our cup win last year would have seen our fan base increase in a similar way to the boom you had in the 20's, however on a greater scale due to coverage. A lot more people watch finals these days than a non televesied final in the 20's. the effects of that probably wont wear off until we get relegated I assume as on top of that we have european competition and top 10 finishes.

So comparing back to any point in history is irrelevant and futile as this was prior to the boom created by swanseas success.

fair and quite frankly obvious point you are making.


Pretty clear that Cardiff have the biggest fan base of the two though, to even try to compare would be a bit silly.

fair and quite frankly obvious point you are making.


Pretty clear that Cardiff have the biggest fan base of the two though, to even try to compare would be a bit silly.

Well it doesnt seem that fair and obvious as its been called nonsense and nit picking by some who clearly cant fathom whats being said.

But thats just the funny thing, its not obvious at all is it. Since swanseas success all we have to go on is attendance figures and the liberty has been sold out to capacity for years. There is absolutely nothing to suggest cardiff have a bigger fan base than swansea other than figures from BEFORE the successes which we both agree dramatically increases a fanbase.

Its my genuine belief that swansea now have a bigger fanbase than cardiff.

Figures from the past show a bigger fan base, the fact that you cannot sell out any games apart from premiership games also makes me doubt this.

The Liverty is small, they have a waiting list, yes... But you forget that Cardiff also have sold out in the premiership & have a waiting list for season tickets, which is exactly what you use as a demonstration that you have a bigger fan base?

Sorry, but you don't. The facts speak for themselves & I know you're a man for facts.

There is no doubt that your recent successes have boosted your fan base, it was quite small only a few years ago, but you seem to forget Cardiff's recent successes have also boosted their fan base too.

Figures from the past show a bigger fan base, the fact that you cannot sell out any games apart from premiership games also makes me doubt this.

The Liverty is small, they have a waiting list, yes... But you forget that Cardiff also have sold out in the premiership & have a waiting list for season tickets, which is exactly what you use as a demonstration that you have a bigger fan base?

Sorry, but you don't. The facts speak for themselves & I know you're a man for facts.

There is no doubt that your recent successes have boosted your fan base, it was quite small only a few years ago, but you seem to forget Cardiff's recent successes have also boosted their fan base too.

As ive explained Barry, figures from the past are irrelevant, what that shows is you DID have a bigger fanbase not DO. since then Swansea have become the most successful welsh side in living memory.

I dint understand what you are saying with regards to the second part. The liberty holds 20,750 the ccs holds 27,000. You will get a bigger attendance, but that diesnt mean you have a bigger fan base. I again point you in the direction of the Liverpool and Newcastle scenario.

Yep, your fan base has definately been boosted by your promotion. However since the stats you are using to gague Swansea have been promoted, become a top 10 club, qualified for Europe and won a major trophy. I firmly believe this has made us have a larger fanbase than you.

If all things were even i think you would have a bigger fanbase, but they arent even.

You've got nothing to back up this claim though. It's just your opinion, whilst there are lots of stats and evidence to suggest that you are wrong.

Cardiff have bigger attendances, bigger stadium, historically better attendances.

Swansea have more twitter followers ( ) & a lot of guesswork from you.

Your claim that there is a big waiting list is irrelevant, as there is also one at Cardiff.

I genuinely cannot fathom how you can claim Swansea have been boosted fan base wise, for winning the Carling cup.it wasn't a boost to Brimingham's crowds.

Sorry, but everything points to you being incorrect. You can think otherwise, as is your prerogative, but everything points to you being wrong.

You've got nothing to back up this claim though. It's just your opinion, whilst there are lots of stats and evidence to suggest that you are wrong.

Cardiff have bigger attendances, bigger stadium, historically better attendances.

Swansea have more twitter followers ( ) & a lot of guesswork from you.

Your claim that there is a big waiting list is irrelevant, as there is also one at Cardiff.

I genuinely cannot fathom how you can claim Swansea have been boosted fan base wise, for winning the Carling cup.it wasn't a boost to Brimingham's crowds.

Sorry, but everything points to you being incorrect. You can think otherwise, as is your prerogative, but everything points to you being wrong.

Neither do you have any evidence. There is no evidence what so ever that Cardiff have a bigger fanbase than Swansea today, none.

I havent even mentioned a waiting list until you brought it up.

Birmingham got relegated the season the won the cup as you well know, and on the post above you admitted you have no doubt that swanseas fan base has been boosted, make up your mind.

Nothing points to me being incorrect barry, nothing what so ever. Apart from stats that suggests you DID have a bigger fanbase, but if course thats nit what we are discussing.

It's pretty obvious that your fan base was boosted.. I remember you lot getting 12k in the second tier.

Lots of evidence. Attendance figures for a start. Unless you're trying to suggest attendance figures have no bearing on fan base...

& you can't use the Liberty being small as a problem, as currently the CCS is too small for the club too.

It's pretty obvious that your fan base was boosted.. I remember you lot getting 12k in the second tier.

Lots of evidence. Attendance figures for a start. Unless you're trying to suggest attendance figures have no bearing on fan base...

& you can't use the Liberty being small as a problem, as currently the CCS is too small for the club too.

So now you are agreeing its been boosted again?

There is no evidence Barry, none.

Attendance figures from the date in question onwards says a sell out for every single home premier league match at the Liberty. How is this evidence that you have a bigger fanbase today?

Figures from the past show a bigger fan base, the fact that you cannot sell out any games apart from premiership games also makes me doubt this.

The Liverty is small, they have a waiting list, yes... But you forget that Cardiff also have sold out in the premiership & have a waiting list for season tickets, which is exactly what you use as a demonstration that you have a bigger fan base?

Sorry, but you don't. The facts speak for themselves & I know you're a man for facts.

There is no doubt that your recent successes have boosted your fan base, it was quite small only a few years ago, but you seem to forget Cardiff's recent successes have also boosted their fan base too.

As ive explained Barry, figures from the past are irrelevant, what that shows is you DID have a bigger fanbase not DO. since then Swansea have become the most successful welsh side in living memory.

I dint understand what you are saying with regards to the second part. The liberty holds 20,750 the ccs holds 27,000. You will get a bigger attendance, but that diesnt mean you have a bigger fan base. I again point you in the direction of the Liverpool and Newcastle scenario.

Yep, your fan base has definately been boosted by your promotion. However since the stats you are using to gague Swansea have been promoted, become a top 10 club, qualified for Europe and won a major trophy. I firmly believe this has made us have a larger fanbase than you.

If all things were even i think you would have a bigger fanbase, but they arent even.

If Swansea had a bigger fan base they would have a bigger stadium.

The fact that the Jacks are into their 3rd season of the premier and have just started talking about expansion of the council owned stadium where as Cardiff are already expanding a stadium that is already bigger than the Liberty plus the FACT there are go aheads for serious expansion that will start soon, this all being before they complete their first season in the premier, well what other proof do you need to say who has the bigger fan base.

It's pretty obvious that your fan base was boosted.. I remember you lot getting 12k in the second tier.

Lots of evidence. Attendance figures for a start. Unless you're trying to suggest attendance figures have no bearing on fan base...

& you can't use the Liberty being small as a problem, as currently the CCS is too small for the club too.

So now you are agreeing its been boosted again?

There is no evidence Barry, none.

Attendance figures from the date in question onwards says a sell out for every single home premier league match at the Liberty. How is this evidence that you have a bigger fanbase today?

Cardiff city attendances vs Swansea city attendances. That's evidence. Are you really suggesting that attendances have no bearing on size of fan base?!

It's been boosted since you were getting 12k in the a championship, obviously. But I don't think it's been further boosted by winning the secondary cup competition.

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