New Group To Restore Tradition - The Ninian Stand

I accept that but you told me to be who i was so this is me being me. Thats what you wanted was it not?

Also, the name change of Hull City really hit home that we could be Cardiff City Dragons FC sooner than we think and that was a wake up call and then I decided it was time, before something bad like that happened, to make a stand.

I never claimed to be perfect.

You claimed the same after scarf gate, then changed your mind again. I personally couldn't back a campaign whose leader was so contradictory on the main subject.

You claim that BU aren't perfect, but this group is far from perfect either. As I said, a group aimed at resoring and maintaining identity would be totally against ANY name change.

If this is genuinely how you feel, you need to stick to it & apologise to those you've abused & mocked for holding the same opinions that you do.

You claimed the same after scarf gate, then changed your mind again. I personally couldn't back a campaign whose leader was so contradictory on the main subject.

That's up to you. I didn't say you had to back the campaign. I want members I can trust to not abuse people or belittle them for their views and I wouldn't put you down as one of them to be honest.

You claim that BU aren't perfect, but this group is far from perfect either. As I said, a group aimed at resoring and maintaining identity would be totally against ANY name change.

I didn't say it was perfect. The groups main aims are restoring tradition, progression and survival - aim to do it professionally. You seem to think the aim of this group is to only restore tradition when thats not the case so it just proves you've not read the home page on the site as you'd get a clearer picture.

If we get the bluebird back as the main emblem have we restored tradition? Yes, but not all of it.
If we get the kit back to blue have we restored tradition? Yes, but not all of it.

We are happy with a modernised bluebird badge but thats not our old badge? Does that make us anti traditionalists in your eyes? What is your view on that? We all have differentiating opinions and that is that. There will be some who agree with the views of this campaign, others who dont, i respect them all in their own right. If a reluctant red wants to get involved, fine and we will work with them and not against them.

If this is genuinely how you feel, you need to stick to it & apologise to those you've abused & mocked for holding the same opinions that you do.

I ain't got to apologise to anyone. If people want to become a member they can, if not then the small group of us there are already will do it ourselves as there are ways of doing this without having large numbers of people involved. I wont force my group on anyone. If they wish to join, thats up to them, but there will be no scare tactics or using members to try and get those reluctantly accepting red to join.

They have their own free will. You could do well to remember that. The group is about respecting opinions and we will work with reluctant reds and those who want blue back and we'll work in the best interests of all, not just a select few.

Good luck. As I've said, your past actions on here will mean that you have no chance of being taken seriously.

Good luck. As I've said, your past actions on here will mean that you have no chance of being taken seriously.

There's a few who disagree and its only a few hardworking and dedicated people I need to make strides forward. Lets just hope we get our blue back aye instead of having a pop at others. Most of us want the same thing at the end of the day.

Good luck. As I've said, your past actions on here will mean that you have no chance of being taken seriously.

There's a few who disagree and its only a few hardworking and dedicated people I need to make strides forward. Lets just hope we get our blue back aye instead of having a pop at others. Most of us want the same thing at the end of the day.

Says the person who has had a pop at people for being "dinosaurs" for wanting blue back for the past 12 months.

Maybe next week, you'll be a neutral yellow again?

Says the person who has had a pop at people for being "dinosaurs" for wanting blue back for the past 12 months.

I haven't called nobody a dinosaur thanks. I've never used that term.

Maybe next week, you'll be a neutral yellow again?

No thanks I'll stick to my white and blue retro scarf Chuckles. Im a fan of the Mancini look.

Funny that, you were a fan of dragons before that & even had a username to match. You belittled anyone who wanted their traditions back & now you're forming a group to do exactly that?

Hypocrite.

You belittled anyone who wanted their traditions back & now you're forming a group to do exactly that?

No I belittled people who wanted to force Tan out and risk the survival of the club I love but of course you know everything and everyones motives. You even said yourself you'd rather administration and become a phoenix club if it meant Tan out. That's not something I agree with and never will not even now. I want the debt to equity conversion done and then to peacefully try and get the club some tradition back - blue as the kit colour - a modernised badge with the bluebird - that is not our old ways. Its progression with restoring some tradition at the same time.

This is not another group that is like Bluebirds Unite. If you want to restore 100% of traditions - old badge and blue back - then go and support their cause. That is your choice.

If you want a modernised badge featuring the bluebird with blue back at home then that is what we want.

Survival - debt to equity conversion
Progression - working with the club peacefully and professionally
Tradition - blue home kit and bluebird as the important emblem.

I think you fail to grasp the difference.

No I belittled people who wanted to force Tan out and risk the survival of the club I love but of course you know everything and everyones motives. You even said yourself you'd rather administration and become a phoenix club if it meant Tan out. That's not something I agree with and never will not even now. I want the debt to equity conversion done and then to peacefully try and get the club some tradition back - blue as the kit colour - a modernised badge with the bluebird - that is not our old ways. Its progression with restoring some tradition at the same time.

This is not another group that is like Bluebirds Unite. If you want to restore 100% of traditions - old badge and blue back - then go and support their cause. That is your choice.

If you want a modernised badge featuring the bluebird with blue back at home then that is what we want.

Survival - debt to equity conversion
Progression - working with the club peacefully and professionally
Tradition - blue home kit and bluebird as the important emblem.

I think you fail to grasp the difference.

Coming from someone who said he much he loved the dragon & even had it as his username....

As you said yourself on here... With Tan here, we will red at home.. You told people who were fighting it that they were wasting their time, then you do it yourself.

Good luck. As I've said, your past actions on here will mean that you have no chance of being taken seriously.

barry dont you think past actions from some of the bu supporters will discredit there agendas?

Good luck. As I've said, your past actions on here will mean that you have no chance of being taken seriously.

barry dont you think past actions from some of the bu supporters will discredit there agendas?

Yes, which is why I've told them directly that they should watch why they say. This seems to have fallen on deaf ears, sadly.

Good luck. As I've said, your past actions on here will mean that you have no chance of being taken seriously.

barry dont you think past actions from some of the bu supporters will discredit there agendas?

Yes, which is why I've told them directly that they should watch why they say. This seems to have fallen on deaf ears, sadly.

so why should people take anything bu come out with now seriously?
like you have commented on they have no chance due to past actions

As you said yourself on here... With Tan here, we will red at home.. You told people who were fighting it that they were wasting their time, then you do it yourself.

So why are you bothering then Chuckles?

I told them the way they were fighting it was a waste of time. It is a waste of time fighting it. The aim is to work with the club and approach this professional by communicating with them, not by marching through the streets in blue further pissing Tan off when its all over Sky. That's gonna solve all of our problems. I hope it don't backfire and wish Bluebirds Unite the best but I am skeptical of the march and what it will actually achieve.

You know Tan is stubborn yourself. Fight him and try and force blue in his face and he'll just drive you into the ground like a tent peg. Working with him and the other pro reds or reluctant reds (whatever your terminology is for them these days) and then you can make them understand what it truly means and work on something.

Marching through the streets for a televised game will only bring with it negative mentions from the media and this will not impress Tan in the slightest when he's trying to build a powerful brand internationally he can profit from.

GREAT IDEA TO GET YOUR BLUE KIT BACK. PISS OFF THE ONE MAN WHO HAS THE POWER TO DO SO. LOGIC IN ITS FINEST FORM.

This is some sad shit.

Good luck. As I've said, your past actions on here will mean that you have no chance of being taken seriously.

barry dont you think past actions from some of the bu supporters will discredit there agendas?

Yes, which is why I've told them directly that they should watch why they say. This seems to have fallen on deaf ears, sadly.

so why should people take anything bu come out with now seriously?
like you have commented on they have no chance due to past actions

Those people were not speaking on the behalf of BU, but themselves. Anything that has come from BU has been perfectly fine. No mocking, no threats.

What we have here, is a totally different story. One boy who has mocked people for their beliefs, for the past 12 months, now wants to set up a group for those very beliefs he has mocked!

How can anyone take that seriously?

So why are you bothering then Chuckles?

I told them the way they were fighting it was a waste of time. It is a waste of time fighting it. The aim is to work with the club and approach this professional by communicating with them, not by marching through the streets in blue further pissing Tan off when its all over Sky. That's gonna solve all of our problems. I hope it don't backfire and wish Bluebirds Unite the best but I am skeptical of the march and what it will actually achieve.

You know Tan is stubborn yourself. Fight him and try and force blue in his face and he'll just drive you into the ground like a tent peg. Working with him and the other pro reds or reluctant reds (whatever your terminology is for them these days) and then you can make them understand what it truly means and work on something.

Marching through the streets for a televised game will only bring with it negative mentions from the media and this will not impress Tan in the slightest when he's trying to build a powerful brand internationally he can profit from.

GREAT IDEA TO GET YOUR BLUE KIT BACK. PISS OFF THE ONE MAN WHO HAS THE POWER TO DO SO. LOGIC IN ITS FINEST FORM.

My opinions are different. I'd quite happily have Tan leave if it meant a return to blue.

*DISCLAIMER* These are my views & my views only. Not the views of BU or anyone else.

Good luck. As I've said, your past actions on here will mean that you have no chance of being taken seriously.

barry dont you think past actions from some of the bu supporters will discredit there agendas?

Yes, which is why I've told them directly that they should watch why they say. This seems to have fallen on deaf ears, sadly.

so why should people take anything bu come out with now seriously?
like you have commented on they have no chance due to past actions

Those people were not speaking on the behalf of BU, but themselves. Anything that has come from BU has been perfectly fine. No mocking, no threats.

What we have here, is a totally different story. One boy who has mocked people for their beliefs, for the past 12 months, now wants to set up a group for those very beliefs he has mocked!
didnt the lady who is the spokes person for bu say that any fan that supports red is not a true fan,
then had to retract that statement
How can anyone take that seriously?

Good luck. As I've said, your past actions on here will mean that you have no chance of being taken seriously.

barry dont you think past actions from some of the bu supporters will discredit there agendas?

Yes, which is why I've told them directly that they should watch why they say. This seems to have fallen on deaf ears, sadly.

so why should people take anything bu come out with now seriously?
like you have commented on they have no chance due to past actions

To Chuckles, who is obviously more involved with Bluebirds Unite than he likes to think, they can do no wrong. If they do wrong its a mistake and everyone makes mistakes. They're the right ones fighting for tradition and everyone else is wrong. You need to understand that some of Bluebirds Unite support is in fact more like a religious sect intent on forcing their ideology on top of people but they fail to realise this tactic only pushes people away.

Instead they need to realise you need to work with these people and communicate with them properly, professionally and in a dignified manner as they have an opinion as human beings and deserve respect no matter what that opinion is. If you are a pro red then come join us. If you are a reluctant red then come join us. We won't force you, we'll respect you as human beings and people who can make their own minds up. We'll show you why we want blue back and a modernised bluebird badge and why we believe now is the right time for action. We'll listen to your views and then try and come to a compromise that integrates PROGRESSION AND TRADITION - hence our terminology on the Twitter page.

sorry barry dont know what happened to my comment,
didnt the lady who is the spokes person for bu say that anyone who
wears red is not a true fan,then had to retract that statement?

sorry barry dont know what happened to my comment,
didnt the lady who is the spokes person for bu say that anyone who
wears red is not a true fan,then had to retract that statement?

Yes she did. It was something that she shouldn't have said and has apologised for doing so. It was wrong & it was probably the beginning for the downfall of BU. Unless they counter that trend, I can't see it lasting. First step for me. Wild be get rid of the fb page.

James has mocked people for their thoughts for the last year & now set up a group to share the thoughts he has mocked... & he hasn't apologised for it either.

Anyway, I'm off. James, I've tried to show you why some wont take you seriously & if I were you, I'd apologise for having a go at people who have fought for blue over the last 12 months, with your posts ridiculing them. Maybe you'll get a lot more uptake.

My opinions are different. I'd quite happily have Tan leave if it meant a return to blue.

*DISCLAIMER* These are my views & my views only. Not the views of BU or anyone else.

They're the beliefs I mocked before Chuckles. I don't agree with those views even now but you are entitled to them of course as a fan.

You would be happy with Tan out and financial instability for a return to blue. You would be happy with admin for a return to blue.

I wouldn't. Survival of the club is key for this group. We don't want to support a phoenix club version of Cardiff City FC, we want the Cardiff City we grew up supporting at Ninian Park, not a replica.

We want to make the move when the time is right when debt to equity is done and Tan has shares to deal with, not debt. Shares Tan can sell, debt he can leave us riddled in and if no owner pops up then we are in a mess. With shares Tan is far more likely to sell up and that we could accept as it would ensure survival of the club.

We want progression, not the old badge back. You want the old badge back, there's a difference. We want a modernised badge with the bluebird back. Thats bringing the tradition back in that the bluebird will be the main emblem but its also progression as its a new design for international branding in the modern world.

We want tradition, a return to blue at home, but not at the cost of the club or survival. We want all 3 but not at the cost of something else and we can get all 3 if we approach this properly.

Like hell would I risk seeing the club go under and struggle just to return to blue when I know there are other options out there.

Anyway, I'm off. James, I've tried to show you why some wont take you seriously & if I were you, I'd apologise for having a go at people who have fought for blue over the last 12 months, with your posts ridiculing them. Maybe you'll get a lot more uptake.

I ridiculed you for wanting the club to either go into administration or to get Tan out. Our group does not have all the same aims as Bluebirds Unite and you'd do well to appreciate that. You think that im now a pro blue traditionalist, no I am not. I am a person with my views who wants to work with the club for survival, financial stability, progression integrated with tradition.

You seem to not understand that.

Good luck. As I've said, your past actions on here will mean that you have no chance of being taken seriously.

barry dont you think past actions from some of the bu supporters will discredit there agendas?

Yes, which is why I've told them directly that they should watch why they say. This seems to have fallen on deaf ears, sadly.

so why should people take anything bu come out with now seriously?
like you have commented on they have no chance due to past actions

Those people were not speaking on the behalf of BU, but themselves. Anything that has come from BU has been perfectly fine. No mocking, no threats.

What we have here, is a totally different story. One boy who has mocked people for their beliefs, for the past 12 months, now wants to set up a group for those very beliefs he has mocked!

How can anyone take that seriously?

so she was not speaking for bu but herself?
everything that has come from bu has been perfectly fine,she running it?
sorry barry but to come out with a statement slagging of supporters is shooting it self in the foot.
how can anyone take bu seriously,your words?
i think the march is a year to late,and the only way is to go through the supporters club

i think the march is a year to late,and the only way is to go through the supporters club

sleepers, people have an extremist mindset now because of the divide which I'll admit is down to the rebrand. Its being made worse by this mindset. Like gang warfare, the problems usually are caused by a catalyst, often poverty. With the split you have factions who are all judgemental of one another and question the motives of each other. It leads to deep lying paranoia.

According to some

If you want tradition back you are a pro blue and should support Bluebirds Unite.
If you want to just get on with things you are a pro red or embracing the rebrand and against Bluebirds Unite.

Its not as black and white as that and there's a grey scale in between where many fans are at mate but some won't see it for some reason. I wouldn't call myself a pro blue hence not following Bluebirds Unite and I wouldn't call myself a pro red who loves Tan. I am somewhere in between who wants the club to progress but bring back some traditional values the club has had.

They're the beliefs I mocked before Chuckles. I don't agree with those views even now but you are entitled to them of course as a fan.

You would be happy with Tan out and financial instability for a return to blue. You would be happy with admin for a return to blue.

I wouldn't. Survival of the club is key for this group. We don't want to support a phoenix club version of Cardiff City FC, we want the Cardiff City we grew up supporting at Ninian Park, not a replica.

We want to make the move when the time is right when debt to equity is done and Tan has shares to deal with, not debt. Shares Tan can sell, debt he can leave us riddled in and if no owner pops up then we are in a mess. With shares Tan is far more likely to sell up and that we could accept as it would ensure survival of the club.

We want progression, not the old badge back. You want the old badge back, there's a difference. We want a modernised badge with the bluebird back. Thats bringing the tradition back in that the bluebird will be the main emblem but its also progression as its a new design for international branding in the modern world.

We want tradition, a return to blue at home, but not at the cost of the club or survival. We want all 3 but not at the cost of something else and we can get all 3 if we approach this properly.

Like hell would I risk seeing the club go under and struggle just to return to blue when I know there are other options out there.

"If I leave, I will leave this club in good hands."

"If I leave, I will leave this club in good hands."

Rather he left the club in good hands in no debt than with debt sorry Chuckles my brother.

Shares are less dangerous than debt, surely you understand that.

i think the march is a year to late,and the only way is to go through the supporters club

sleepers, people have an extremist mindset now because of the divide which I'll admit is down to the rebrand. Its being made worse by this mindset. Like gang warfare, the problems usually are caused by a catalyst, often poverty. With the split you have factions who are all judgemental of one another and question the motives of each other. It leads to deep lying paranoia.

According to some

If you want tradition back you are a pro blue and should support Bluebirds Unite.
If you want to just get on with things you are a pro red or embracing the rebrand and against Bluebirds Unite.

Its not as black and white as that and there's a grey scale in between where many fans are at mate but some won't see it for some reason. I wouldn't call myself a pro blue hence not following Bluebirds Unite and I wouldn't call myself a pro red who loves Tan. I am somewhere in between who wants the club to progress but bring back some traditional values the club has had.

So is your post B&W or Grey ?!?! The hypocricy in 'According to some" is fascinating ! Are you personally , RED , BLUE or GREY , maybe a sorta SKY BLUE eh ?!

"If I leave, I will leave this club in good hands."

Rather he left the club in good hands in no debt than with debt sorry Chuckles my brother.

Shares are less dangerous than debt, surely you understand that.

What are you babbling on about? Where have I said i prefer he will leave with debt?

Stop making a fool of yourself. You can't help but WUM can you? even when you're trying to be serious.

You mocked people for holding the view you are now setting up a group for.