Ashley Williams...

Ashley is a good player, prone to a few errors (as the Jacks have confirmed by saying 3/4 in his Jacks career) for both Swansea and Wales (more so for Wales though).

He's a solid premiership defender, who isn't world class, but isn't crap either.

Sense.

so you agree he's a good player now

Ashley is a good player, prone to a few errors (as the Jacks have confirmed by saying 3/4 in his Jacks career) for both Swansea and Wales (more so for Wales though).

He's a solid premiership defender, who isn't world class, but isn't crap either.

Sense.

so you agree he's a good player now

I never said he weren't? I just don't rate him highly as all the media do. A good centre back but nothing special to the likes of Vertonghen.

carpe diem- I have told you he has made two mistakes, tell me what other games he has fu*ked up in

What you expect me to recall all your games?
You're the obsessed one on a rival forum remember?

But I don't need to watch every player to know they make mistakes, to think otherwise is totally deluded. Here's a quote from someone, I wonder if you can guess who said it:

"I've made mistakes before and it won't be my last. I have to get on with it.

"Personally you feel you've let the team down, but you don't do anyone any good by not getting on with things.

"You've got to pick your head up and get on with it. I've made enough mistakes, everyone knows I've made mistakes. It hurts, but you get your head up."

Here's the answer if you get stuck
http://m.thisissouthwales.co.uk/story.html?aid=16812774

I dont need to look at the link but its probably williams after the sunderland game, you dont know what your talking about fair play, your bitterness is there for all to see You still cant name what games he has made mistakes in other than the two i have said about, your bitter very bitter fair play and also thick as sh*te

Another shocking thread from the Cardiff lads

carpe diem- I have told you he has made two mistakes, tell me what other games he has fu*ked up in

What you expect me to recall all your games?
You're the obsessed one on a rival forum remember?

But I don't need to watch every player to know they make mistakes, to think otherwise is totally deluded. Here's a quote from someone, I wonder if you can guess who said it:

"I've made mistakes before and it won't be my last. I have to get on with it.

"Personally you feel you've let the team down, but you don't do anyone any good by not getting on with things.

"You've got to pick your head up and get on with it. I've made enough mistakes, everyone knows I've made mistakes. It hurts, but you get your head up."

Here's the answer if you get stuck
http://m.thisissouthwales.co.uk/story.html?aid=16812774

I dont need to look at the link but its probably williams after the sunderland game, you dont know what your talking about fair play, your bitterness is there for all to see You still cant name what games he has made mistakes in other than the two i have said about, your bitter very bitter fair play and also thick as sh*te

As he said, he can't name the exact games because why would he be able to remember the exact games of a team he doesn't support.

Like me, he just remembers the mistakes but not the specifics. Other than Titus Bramble i honestly can't name another defender who i know to be more error prone.

Another shocking thread from the Cardiff lads

Your right mate, another own goal its a bit like arguing black is white regardless how good williams is reddragons fans will say he is sh*te

So no proof then. while the people who watch him week in week out are telling you he rarely makes a mistake while Arsenal want him as their top target to lead them into the Champions League campaign while captaining club and country.

ok.

Ashley is a good player, prone to a few errors (as the Jacks have confirmed by saying 3/4 in his Jacks career) for both Swansea and Wales (more so for Wales though).

He's a solid premiership defender, who isn't world class, but isn't crap either.

Sense.

so you agree he's a good player now

I never said he weren't? I just don't rate him highly as all the media do. A good centre back but nothing special to the likes of Vertonghen.

so this is saying he's a good player .............

"Simply don't rate the guy.Clumsy, prone to an error, no pace at all"




carpe come on mate the boy scott is talking out of his arse and you know it but well done for sticking up for a mate

carpe diem- I have told you he has made two mistakes, tell me what other games he has fu*ked up in

What you expect me to recall all your games?
You're the obsessed one on a rival forum remember?

But I don't need to watch every player to know they make mistakes, to think otherwise is totally deluded. Here's a quote from someone, I wonder if you can guess who said it:

"I've made mistakes before and it won't be my last. I have to get on with it.

"Personally you feel you've let the team down, but you don't do anyone any good by not getting on with things.

"You've got to pick your head up and get on with it. I've made enough mistakes, everyone knows I've made mistakes. It hurts, but you get your head up."

Here's the answer if you get stuck
http://m.thisissouthwales.co.uk/story.html?aid=16812774

I dont need to look at the link but its probably williams after the sunderland game, you dont know what your talking about fair play, your bitterness is there for all to see You still cant name what games he has made mistakes in other than the two i have said about, your bitter very bitter fair play and also thick as sh*te

As he said, he can't name the exact games because why would he be able to remember the exact games of a team he doesn't support.

Like me, he just remembers the mistakes but not the specifics. Other than Titus Bramble i honestly can't name another defender who i know to be more error prone.

So none of you can back up what you are saying, what a supprise

Ashley is a good player, prone to a few errors (as the Jacks have confirmed by saying 3/4 in his Jacks career) for both Swansea and Wales (more so for Wales though).

He's a solid premiership defender, who isn't world class, but isn't crap either.

Sense.

so you agree he's a good player now

I never said he weren't? I just don't rate him highly as all the media do. A good centre back but nothing special to the likes of Vertonghen.

so this is saying he's a good player .............

"Simply don't rate the guy.Clumsy, prone to an error, no pace at all"




carpe come on mate the boy scott is talking out of his arse and you know it but well done for sticking up for a mate

I only asked you about stats didn't I?

Ashley is a good player, prone to a few errors (as the Jacks have confirmed by saying 3/4 in his Jacks career) for both Swansea and Wales (more so for Wales though).

He's a solid premiership defender, who isn't world class, but isn't crap either.

Sense.

so you agree he's a good player now

I never said he weren't? I just don't rate him highly as all the media do. A good centre back but nothing special to the likes of Vertonghen.

so this is saying he's a good player .............

"Simply don't rate the guy.Clumsy, prone to an error, no pace at all"




carpe come on mate the boy scott is talking out of his arse and you know it but well done for sticking up for a mate

I refer you back to my post at the bottom of the last page about stats.

Care to answer that and still claim i'm wrong?

carpe diem- I have told you he has made two mistakes, tell me what other games he has fu*ked up in

What you expect me to recall all your games?
You're the obsessed one on a rival forum remember?

But I don't need to watch every player to know they make mistakes, to think otherwise is totally deluded. Here's a quote from someone, I wonder if you can guess who said it:

"I've made mistakes before and it won't be my last. I have to get on with it.

"Personally you feel you've let the team down, but you don't do anyone any good by not getting on with things.

"You've got to pick your head up and get on with it. I've made enough mistakes, everyone knows I've made mistakes. It hurts, but you get your head up."

Here's the answer if you get stuck
http://m.thisissouthwales.co.uk/story.html?aid=16812774

I dont need to look at the link but its probably williams after the sunderland game, you dont know what your talking about fair play, your bitterness is there for all to see You still cant name what games he has made mistakes in other than the two i have said about, your bitter very bitter fair play and also thick as sh*te

What a mature reply. I provide evidence by the man himself that he makes mistakes and i'm bitter? You've got issues although I suspect it's more because you're very young, in guessing 12?

The point you're missing spectacularly is that I'm not saying Williams is a bad player, just that even the very best players past and present have made more than 2 mistakes. Unless of course you've played all of your games on fantasy island?

But hey hurl your abuse as once you resorted to it all can see who's ahead in the debate

carpe diem- I have told you he has made two mistakes, tell me what other games he has fu*ked up in

What you expect me to recall all your games?
You're the obsessed one on a rival forum remember?

But I don't need to watch every player to know they make mistakes, to think otherwise is totally deluded. Here's a quote from someone, I wonder if you can guess who said it:

"I've made mistakes before and it won't be my last. I have to get on with it.

"Personally you feel you've let the team down, but you don't do anyone any good by not getting on with things.

"You've got to pick your head up and get on with it. I've made enough mistakes, everyone knows I've made mistakes. It hurts, but you get your head up."

Here's the answer if you get stuck
http://m.thisissouthwales.co.uk/story.html?aid=16812774

I dont need to look at the link but its probably williams after the sunderland game, you dont know what your talking about fair play, your bitterness is there for all to see You still cant name what games he has made mistakes in other than the two i have said about, your bitter very bitter fair play and also thick as sh*te

What a mature reply. I provide evidence by the man himself that he makes mistakes and i'm bitter? You've got issues although I suspect it's more because you're very young, in guessing 12?

The point you're missing spectacularly is that I'm not saying Williams is a bad player, just that even the very best players past and present have made more than 2 mistakes. Unless of course you've played all of your games on fantasy island?

But hey hurl your abuse as once you resorted to it all can see who's ahead in the debate

What evidence that mistake was against sunderland and he was just being humble, do you think us swansea fans are making up what we are saying , you still cant provide any info about other mistakes he has made, search the net and get back to me, cos if he has made any other mistakes i cant remember them, williams is a fantastic player and dont want him to leave, would i say that if he was making mistakes all the time.

carpe diem- I have told you he has made two mistakes, tell me what other games he has fu*ked up in

What you expect me to recall all your games?
You're the obsessed one on a rival forum remember?

But I don't need to watch every player to know they make mistakes, to think otherwise is totally deluded. Here's a quote from someone, I wonder if you can guess who said it:

"I've made mistakes before and it won't be my last. I have to get on with it.

"Personally you feel you've let the team down, but you don't do anyone any good by not getting on with things.

"You've got to pick your head up and get on with it. I've made enough mistakes, everyone knows I've made mistakes. It hurts, but you get your head up."

Here's the answer if you get stuck
http://m.thisissouthwales.co.uk/story.html?aid=16812774

I dont need to look at the link but its probably williams after the sunderland game, you dont know what your talking about fair play, your bitterness is there for all to see You still cant name what games he has made mistakes in other than the two i have said about, your bitter very bitter fair play and also thick as sh*te

What a mature reply. I provide evidence by the man himself that he makes mistakes and i'm bitter? You've got issues although I suspect it's more because you're very young, in guessing 12?

The point you're missing spectacularly is that I'm not saying Williams is a bad player, just that even the very best players past and present have made more than 2 mistakes. Unless of course you've played all of your games on fantasy island?

But hey hurl your abuse as once you resorted to it all can see who's ahead in the debate

What evidence that mistake was against sunderland and he was just being humble, do you think us swansea fans are making up what we are saying , you still cant provide any info about other mistakes he has made, search the net and get back to me, cos if he has made any other mistakes i cant remember them, williams is a fantastic player and dont want him to leave, would i say that if he was making mistakes all the time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzXqf_YNyd4

and http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19974731

There's 2 straight away.

carpe diem- I have told you he has made two mistakes, tell me what other games he has fu*ked up in

What you expect me to recall all your games?
You're the obsessed one on a rival forum remember?

But I don't need to watch every player to know they make mistakes, to think otherwise is totally deluded. Here's a quote from someone, I wonder if you can guess who said it:

"I've made mistakes before and it won't be my last. I have to get on with it.

"Personally you feel you've let the team down, but you don't do anyone any good by not getting on with things.

"You've got to pick your head up and get on with it. I've made enough mistakes, everyone knows I've made mistakes. It hurts, but you get your head up."

Here's the answer if you get stuck
http://m.thisissouthwales.co.uk/story.html?aid=16812774

I dont need to look at the link but its probably williams after the sunderland game, you dont know what your talking about fair play, your bitterness is there for all to see You still cant name what games he has made mistakes in other than the two i have said about, your bitter very bitter fair play and also thick as sh*te

What a mature reply. I provide evidence by the man himself that he makes mistakes and i'm bitter? You've got issues although I suspect it's more because you're very young, in guessing 12?

The point you're missing spectacularly is that I'm not saying Williams is a bad player, just that even the very best players past and present have made more than 2 mistakes. Unless of course you've played all of your games on fantasy island?

But hey hurl your abuse as once you resorted to it all can see who's ahead in the debate

What evidence that mistake was against sunderland and he was just being humble, do you think us swansea fans are making up what we are saying , you still cant provide any info about other mistakes he has made, search the net and get back to me, cos if he has made any other mistakes i cant remember them, williams is a fantastic player and dont want him to leave, would i say that if he was making mistakes all the time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzXqf_YNyd4

and http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19974731

There's 2 straight away.

That was ddv who fu*cked up there not williams, and i was at that game keep trying tho

Oh dear this thread is getting even worse

carpe diem- I have told you he has made two mistakes, tell me what other games he has fu*ked up in

What you expect me to recall all your games?
You're the obsessed one on a rival forum remember?

But I don't need to watch every player to know they make mistakes, to think otherwise is totally deluded. Here's a quote from someone, I wonder if you can guess who said it:

"I've made mistakes before and it won't be my last. I have to get on with it.

"Personally you feel you've let the team down, but you don't do anyone any good by not getting on with things.

"You've got to pick your head up and get on with it. I've made enough mistakes, everyone knows I've made mistakes. It hurts, but you get your head up."

Here's the answer if you get stuck
http://m.thisissouthwales.co.uk/story.html?aid=16812774

I dont need to look at the link but its probably williams after the sunderland game, you dont know what your talking about fair play, your bitterness is there for all to see You still cant name what games he has made mistakes in other than the two i have said about, your bitter very bitter fair play and also thick as sh*te

What a mature reply. I provide evidence by the man himself that he makes mistakes and i'm bitter? You've got issues although I suspect it's more because you're very young, in guessing 12?

The point you're missing spectacularly is that I'm not saying Williams is a bad player, just that even the very best players past and present have made more than 2 mistakes. Unless of course you've played all of your games on fantasy island?

But hey hurl your abuse as once you resorted to it all can see who's ahead in the debate

What evidence that mistake was against sunderland and he was just being humble, do you think us swansea fans are making up what we are saying , you still cant provide any info about other mistakes he has made, search the net and get back to me, cos if he has made any other mistakes i cant remember them, williams is a fantastic player and dont want him to leave, would i say that if he was making mistakes all the time.

Wow you just don't get it at all

One last time - even good players make mistakes, don't get all previous about it. The headline news for you us that I'm a Cardiff fan and don't remember every minute from every game. My bad I know

I provide a quote from the man himself but still you won't go concede. I'm guessing you still believe in Father Christmas? Quite endearing really so you put off growing up for as long as you can

Lets play your game - Hudson has never made a mistake. Can you tell me when he has and if so all the games where he did?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzXqf_YNyd4

and http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19974731

There's 2 straight away.

That was ddv who fu*cked up there not williams, and i was at that game keep trying tho

I don't think so, keep clutching at straws though.

What more could De Vries have done to stop that pass going in? I'm sure he got to it as fast as he possibly could. Shame the pass, and such a risky one at that, was off target.

Whatever happened to DEFENDING and clearing the ball in tight situations.

As i say, keep clutching at straws.

Wow you just don't get it at all

One last time - even good players make mistakes, don't get all previous about it. The headline news for you us that I'm a Cardiff fan and don't remember every minute from every game. My bad I know

I provide a quote from the man himself but still you won't go concede. I'm guessing you still believe in Father Christmas? Quite endearing really so you put off growing up for as long as you can

Lets play your game - Hudson has never made a mistake. Can you tell me when he has and if so all the games where he did?

tut tut carpe, you are changing what was originally said.

It was claimed Ashley Williams is known for his mistakes and makes loads of them. Swans fans quite rightly said this was rubbish and very rarely makes major goal conceding mistakes. nobody has been able to disprove this.

the fact you are now claiming Mark Hudson, who isn't even in this debate, has never made a mistake is ridiculous. especially when he was widely criticised after the 5-4 loss against Charlton where MM actually had to come out and defend him

but anyway, back to Williams. good isn't he!!

Wow you just don't get it at all

One last time - even good players make mistakes, don't get all previous about it. The headline news for you us that I'm a Cardiff fan and don't remember every minute from every game. My bad I know

I provide a quote from the man himself but still you won't go concede. I'm guessing you still believe in Father Christmas? Quite endearing really so you put off growing up for as long as you can

Lets play your game - Hudson has never made a mistake. Can you tell me when he has and if so all the games where he did?

tut tut carpe, you are changing what was originally said.

It was claimed Ashley Williams is known for his mistakes and makes loads of them. Swans fans quite rightly said this was rubbish and very rarely makes major goal conceding mistakes. nobody has been able to disprove this.

the fact you are now claiming Mark Hudson, who isn't even in this debate, has never made a mistake is ridiculous. especially when he was widely criticised after the 5-4 loss against Charlton where MM actually had to come out and defend him

but anyway, back to Williams. good isn't he!!

Sunderland
Aston Villa
Derby
Croatia

There's 4, and that's without properly looking into it or watching your games live to remember the specifics of others.

Wow you just don't get it at all

One last time - even good players make mistakes, don't get all previous about it. The headline news for you us that I'm a Cardiff fan and don't remember every minute from every game. My bad I know

I provide a quote from the man himself but still you won't go concede. I'm guessing you still believe in Father Christmas? Quite endearing really so you put off growing up for as long as you can

Lets play your game - Hudson has never made a mistake. Can you tell me when he has and if so all the games where he did?

tut tut carpe, you are changing what was originally said.

It was claimed Ashley Williams is known for his mistakes and makes loads of them. Swans fans quite rightly said this was rubbish and very rarely makes major goal conceding mistakes. nobody has been able to disprove this.

the fact you are now claiming Mark Hudson, who isn't even in this debate, has never made a mistake is ridiculous. especially when he was widely criticised after the 5-4 loss against Charlton where MM actually had to come out and defend him

but anyway, back to Williams. good isn't he!!

Sunderland
Aston Villa
Derby
Croatia

There's 4, and that's without properly looking into it or watching your games live to remember the specifics of others.

So that's on average one per premier league season.

Definitely maybe, spell it right fella, if you naming yourself after the best debut album of all time get it right

Wow you just don't get it at all

One last time - even good players make mistakes, don't get all previous about it. The headline news for you us that I'm a Cardiff fan and don't remember every minute from every game. My bad I know

I provide a quote from the man himself but still you won't go concede. I'm guessing you still believe in Father Christmas? Quite endearing really so you put off growing up for as long as you can

Lets play your game - Hudson has never made a mistake. Can you tell me when he has and if so all the games where he did?

tut tut carpe, you are changing what was originally said.

It was claimed Ashley Williams is known for his mistakes and makes loads of them. Swans fans quite rightly said this was rubbish and very rarely makes major goal conceding mistakes. nobody has been able to disprove this.

the fact you are now claiming Mark Hudson, who isn't even in this debate, has never made a mistake is ridiculous. especially when he was widely criticised after the 5-4 loss against Charlton where MM actually had to come out and defend him

but anyway, back to Williams. good isn't he!!

I'm afraid you completely missed the point. I'm debating the claim that Williams has only made 2 mistakes in over 200 games. Even you can't support this?

My statement about Hudson was purely to point out the ludicrous suggestion that I should be able to give details of every mistake Williams has made. Picking hudson was immaterial as I could have named any Cardiff player to make the point.
Come on RM keep up I would expect you to spot the facetious part of my post?

Last edited by Carpe Diem on Sat Jul 20, 2013 1:21 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Wow you just don't get it at all

One last time - even good players make mistakes, don't get all previous about it. The headline news for you us that I'm a Cardiff fan and don't remember every minute from every game. My bad I know

I provide a quote from the man himself but still you won't go concede. I'm guessing you still believe in Father Christmas? Quite endearing really so you put off growing up for as long as you can

Lets play your game - Hudson has never made a mistake. Can you tell me when he has and if so all the games where he did?

tut tut carpe, you are changing what was originally said.

It was claimed Ashley Williams is known for his mistakes and makes loads of them. Swans fans quite rightly said this was rubbish and very rarely makes major goal conceding mistakes. nobody has been able to disprove this.

the fact you are now claiming Mark Hudson, who isn't even in this debate, has never made a mistake is ridiculous. especially when he was widely criticised after the 5-4 loss against Charlton where MM actually had to come out and defend him

but anyway, back to Williams. good isn't he!!

Sunderland
Aston Villa
Derby
Croatia

There's 4, and that's without properly looking into it or watching your games live to remember the specifics of others.

So that's on average one per premier league season.

Once again, because i'm not obsessed with your club, i dont remember the specifics of the others.

Bored of this now, i've proven my point. Last time I come on this thread. Will leave other readers to decide who is right.

I'm afraid you completely missed the point. I'm debating the claim that Williams has only made 2 mistakes in over 200 games. Even you can't support this?

My statement about Hudson was purely to point out the ludicrous suggestion that I should be able to give details of every mistake Williams has made. Picking hudson was immaterial as I could have named any Cardiff player to make the point.
Come on RM keep up I would expect you to spot the facetious part of my post?

And im debating the claim he isn't known for his mistakes and doesn't make them often. In fact makes the least mistakes of any defender ive had the pleasure of watching.

so far this hasn't been proven otherwise.

Wow you just don't get it at all

One last time - even good players make mistakes, don't get all previous about it. The headline news for you us that I'm a Cardiff fan and don't remember every minute from every game. My bad I know

I provide a quote from the man himself but still you won't go concede. I'm guessing you still believe in Father Christmas? Quite endearing really so you put off growing up for as long as you can

Lets play your game - Hudson has never made a mistake. Can you tell me when he has and if so all the games where he did?

tut tut carpe, you are changing what was originally said.

It was claimed Ashley Williams is known for his mistakes and makes loads of them. Swans fans quite rightly said this was rubbish and very rarely makes major goal conceding mistakes. nobody has been able to disprove this.

the fact you are now claiming Mark Hudson, who isn't even in this debate, has never made a mistake is ridiculous. especially when he was widely criticised after the 5-4 loss against Charlton where MM actually had to come out and defend him

but anyway, back to Williams. good isn't he!!

Sunderland
Aston Villa
Derby
Croatia

There's 4, and that's without properly looking into it or watching your games live to remember the specifics of others.

So that's on average one per premier league season.

Once again, because i'm not obsessed with your club, i dont remember the specifics of the others.

Bored of this now, i've proven my point. Last time I come on this thread. Will leave other readers to decide who is right.

But we can provide specifics as we watch him week in week out. the fact you can name one a season adds weight to our theory, not yours.

Not a bad player, not an outstanding player either though. Don't think he should be captain of Wales however, as he isn't Welsh.

I'd say the same about a CCFC player too.. Not just because he's a jack.

Hard to argue with this.

Definitely maybe, spell it right fella, if you naming yourself after the best debut album of all time get it right

i agree.

Spell it correctly and lose my tool to prove when I win debates? wouldn't have thought so

works like a charm.

Spell it correctly and lose my tool to prove when I win debates? wouldn't have thought so

works like a charm.

Lose your tool, first day on here and 40 posts. Only one tool here.