' BLUEBIRDS UNITE MEETING/ REPORT '

BU wants to sit down with the club and try and compramise we all realise we wont get all blue home shirts but surely its not too much to ask for the Club to meet us halfway and talk about aceptable options. the very fact that some are afraid that this
protest could jepardise the future of cardiff city is almost beyond belief. are we THAT afraid to upset this feller that we will not tell him when we are unhappy about something he has done. this is not malaysia we speak our mind over here. if tan cannot handle that without spitting his dummy out DO WE REALLY WANT THAT KIND OF MAN IN CHARGE? OR HIS MONEY? What next? will he threaten to take his toys home if fans sing Bluebird songs? or will he ban blue flags? can anyone truly say he won't? Tan needs to comminicate with the Clubs fan base or lose it. hes acting a bit like the biggest boy in the playground deciding who does what and when cos hes the biggest and its his ball. are we seriously suggesting nobody speak out here? We're Welsh for fucks sake and havent took shit of anyone ever without puting up a fight.

Steve, Any news yet on Tan making our club debt Free and changing the debt in to equity/shares?

Annis its all tied in with settling Langston, the sooner that happens the quicker we call all lay this issue to rest

Steve, the Langston deal is virtually done as far as I am aware, lets hope once sealed then everything else is put in place as promised.

Steve, Any news yet on Tan making our club debt Free and changing the debt in to equity/shares?

Annis its all tied in with settling Langston, the sooner that happens the quicker we call all lay this issue to rest

Steve, the Langston deal is virtually done as far as I am aware, lets hope once sealed then everything else is put in place as promised.

And if the debt to equity is not done once langston is gone then what? we carry on forever the way it is

Annis, the image of of the cause diminishes every time you make that gaff, and that is a small one compared to being associated and photographed with known people with banning orders and every event is associated with drinking. You don't see shareholders in an AGM with cans and pints . I noticed the guy in the front had his pint photoshopped out, could have done the same with a few faces.
In terms of protests they are rarely peaceful because they will get hijacked by people wanting to make a name for themselves and stating the obvious if you are seen to be transporting people to away games to cause trouble don't surprised if the ticket supply drys up. Wearing blue to games is not a problem and makes your case without harming the club which is my primary concern.
VT has stated his plan and backed it with his cash and I don't see him changing. Without his support we would not even have a chance to survive in the PL, remember Swansea had to sell 2 players and a manager for 25 mill to post a profit, we have enormous costs this close season to upgrade the facilities and hopefully pay off your mate, before we even look at the playing budget.
We have come too far to see this club slide back which some want to promote, but once you get on that slide it difficult to get off on the path to oblivion.

Steve,

The fans that were there at the meeting the other night were from all generations, you had every type of fan there, exactly how Cardiff City's fan base is made up of.
100% this group Bluebirds Unite has no intentions to cause trouble, if it did I would leave it, times have changed and so have I and you know that. You yourself like a good drink and a laugh, at the meeting the other night, there was no abuse, threatening etc, unlike at that KCB meeting a year ago, which I totally distanced myself from.

If fans like myself did not go on about our identity and the Blue, in time it would be forgotten and the new generations then would want to stay red forever. I know Tan is not going to change his mind,there is no threats to him. We are just reminding him and the new fans that We are Blue really and what it means to us.
The next owner then will hopefully change it back, but if the next owner thinks were All Red, weve got no chance.

The Uk is a Free world and freedom of speech and beliefs/opinions if done in a sensible manner should be taken on board and respected.

It breaks me regarding the rebrand, but NO I wont walk away like some have, in my opinion the best form of protest is to turn up, support your team, wear your Blue and keep the old songs going.

Annis I respect your views but the impression is that people will attempt to cause trouble and that will only lead to infighting amongst the fans which is always a concern because that's the last thing I would want to see. Football is all about passion and sometimes difficult to control emotions especially when fuelled with alcohol. Marches and protests no matter what the intentions or subject matter rarely end up peaceful, so good luck if you feel you can control them.
Wether people accept it or not this is a new chapter in our history, our first visit to the top flight for 53 years and many old hands have waited a long time for this, I would rather debate signings and fixtures but we are where we are.

I see people stating how Steve Borley must NOT be questioned because he's put his own money into the club. But how much has he made back?

How much does he stand to lose If he falls out with VT?

How much has Steve Borley given to CCFC at a loss?

I buy my ticket and expect nothing back. Just a sense that the people running the club show respect for the history and sense of co,mmunity that people like myself have for CCFC.

As for Steve Borley condeming drinking alchohol? I heard im give an interview on R4 at 7 in the morning where hre sounded hammered and admitted he'd been up all night partying

And are you realy threatening Annis and Carl with a cheap shot of stopping their ticket supply through the travel club, this is getting worse, I feel sorry for you.

No, Steve is saying if trouble makers are taken to away games then the police will start tightening restrictions and yes, less tickets will be made available. Especially in the PL which is broadcast all over the world and image will be an even more important factor for the PL to consider now that NBC has the rights to every single game so everything will be aired.

Steve,

Regarding the one small flag that was put up, its already been stated by Sian that its not what Bluebirds Unite stand for and she reiterated that in future please no one bring any banners/flags with this on. No one knew that out the blue someone had put it up, the person has apologised, but you cant stop the odd person out of hundreds saying how they personally feel, but that is 100% not what the group is about.

How is a peaceful march against the disgusting/vile rebrand of our identity going to harm our club? I rem you saying the same before I did it against Ridsdale, but later admitted I did no harm to the club. We went straight in the ground and cheeered our team on and went on to beat Boro 1 nil, in fact when we all went in the ground the atmosphere lifted, even the Football League show backed it.
By choosing a high profile game,it will of course let the world out there know that a lot of fans do want our identity back.

We are not against our club, we want our club to remember their identity and let them know that fans want it back.


Steve, Be honest, what do you think of this below, does this look like Cardiff City? its in our club main windows.

Annis if you or anyone in Bluebirds Unite organise a march against VT at a 'high profile' game you risk tearing the club apart. Some of us are warming to BU but will drop them like a stone if that happens.

I can't of anything more stupid.

Have to agree with you on this Tony

Annis I respect your views but the impression is that people will attempt to cause trouble and that will only lead to infighting amongst the fans which is always a concern because that's the last thing I would want to see.

infighting amongst the fans has been going on for the whole season and it was the club who caused this tbh

Steves not going to listen to you barnett why would he take advice from somebody whos posts for and againsts views in diffrent account names in the same thread all the time and guess what thats you, how many accounts have you had on here now chameleon

Grow up bigot.

Steve's 100% right. BU is causing a division further. Yes Tan did start it off, without a rebrand there would be no division in the first place but BU need to accept by becoming reluctant reds and unifying we not only look more mature but we also heal the fan base split. The extremist 'give us our blue back' is not needed.

BU's aims are not achievable. Therefore to me its causing an split that is not needed. Tan wont change his mind. He'd have done so by now. The best thing for us to do would be to unite, sit peacefully, play the long game, accept Tans money and then as soon as he leaves by selling up or us going bust return us to blue. Yes its using Tan to hopefully make the club better but I care about the club, not Tan.

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I can not believe some of the comments on here, all bluebirds unite wants is to keep the blue flag flying and fans not to forget that we are blue,yet trouble is brought in to it,drink,banning orders and taking trouble makers to away games, Borley hang your head in shame. We are just ordinary fans who do not like the rebrand

Annis I respect your views but the impression is that people will attempt to cause trouble and that will only lead to infighting amongst the fans which is always a concern because that's the last thing I would want to see. Football is all about passion and sometimes difficult to control emotions especially when fuelled with alcohol. Marches and protests no matter what the intentions or subject matter rarely end up peaceful, so good luck if you feel you can control them.
Wether people accept it or not this is a new chapter in our history, our first visit to the top flight for 53 years and many old hands have waited a long time for this, I would rather debate signings and fixtures but we are where we are.

Why weren't you piping up when people, who had drunk beforehand, were threatening people in the KCB meeting? Was that acceptable?

BU have not incited any violence, the only violence has come from Red supporters and the only infighting has been caused by Dictator Tan.

Taking the moral highground in this situation is laughable, football fans drink and some have got into trouble, does not mean they cannot change or have an opinion in this matter. It's their club and my club as much as it's yours and most certainly more than it is Vincent Tans.

And are you realy threatening Annis and Carl with a cheap shot of stopping their ticket supply through the travel club, this is getting worse, I feel sorry for you.

No, Steve is saying if trouble makers are taken to away games then the police will start tightening restrictions and yes, less tickets will be made available. Especially in the PL which is broadcast all over the world and image will be an even more important factor for the PL to consider now that NBC has the rights to every single game so everything will be aired.

Well Batted, but I think there was a hidden threat in there, only Steve will know for sure.

Thank you very much :

Time scale - We already have plans in motion but will not release details until final conclusions are reached with the courses of action we are pursuing.

Ideally we'd like a resolution tomorrow. As stated above this will not happen?
So we will continue to keep going all season - If that is what we have to do in order to try and keep Cardiff City's TRUE identity alive then so be it.

Would be lovely to kick back and enjoy CCFC in the prem but unfortunately we have been backed into a corner.

Giving up and letting go is not an option, so it’s going to be an eventful season both on and off the pitch.

What ever the BU are planing I just hope you don't attract any idiots to the group that will make you all look stupid, because that will be the beginning of the end, and after all the work you have put into it that will be a shame

Who decides Whose an Idiot ?

So far 300+ and 600+ have managed to get together and be peaceful, there has been trouble at football for as long as I can remember - less in modern days. But BU will not endorse any disrupt to public peace or violence

Is that what you were getting at by calling people IDIOTS ?[/quote]

Sian you speak very well and have a lot of common sense by the sound of it which is what this group needs in charge but there was a poster on ccmb promoting the group and said a lot of stupid things which alienated people I think this is probably what Pontyclun blue means

Steves not going to listen to you barnett why would he take advice from somebody whos posts for and againsts views in diffrent account names in the same thread all the time and guess what thats you, how many accounts have you had on here now chameleon

Grow up bigot.

Steve's 100% right. BU is causing a division further. Yes Tan did start it off, without a rebrand there would be no division in the first place but BU need to accept by becoming reluctant reds and unifying we not only look more mature but we also heal the fan base split. The extremist 'give us our blue back' is not needed.

BU's aims are not achievable. Therefore to me its causing an split that is not needed. Tan wont change his mind. He'd have done so by now. The best thing for us to do would be to unite, sit peacefully, play the long game, accept Tans money and then as soon as he leaves by selling up or us going bust return us to blue. Yes its using Tan to hopefully make the club better but I care about the club, not Tan.

Agree with what your saying but it ent causing more split. In fact the more pro blues who are upset are now happy and stopped the arguing a bit.

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Steves not going to listen to you barnett why would he take advice from somebody whos posts for and againsts views in diffrent account names in the same thread all the time and guess what thats you, how many accounts have you had on here now chameleon

Grow up bigot.

Steve's 100% right. BU is causing a division further. Yes Tan did start it off, without a rebrand there would be no division in the first place but BU need to accept by becoming reluctant reds and unifying we not only look more mature but we also heal the fan base split. The extremist 'give us our blue back' is not needed.

BU's aims are not achievable. Therefore to me its causing an split that is not needed. Tan wont change his mind. He'd have done so by now. The best thing for us to do would be to unite, sit peacefully, play the long game, accept Tans money and then as soon as he leaves by selling up or us going bust return us to blue. Yes its using Tan to hopefully make the club better but I care about the club, not Tan.

Oh im sorry for a moment there i thought it was me with the twenty accounts which all have diffrent views on the rebrand who needed to grow up as u said, one account here james with one spine can you say the same barnett you internet weirdo

And are you realy threatening Annis and Carl with a cheap shot of stopping their ticket supply through the travel club, this is getting worse, I feel sorry for you.

No, Steve is saying if trouble makers are taken to away games then the police will start tightening restrictions and yes, less tickets will be made available. Especially in the PL which is broadcast all over the world and image will be an even more important factor for the PL to consider now that NBC has the rights to every single game so everything will be aired.

trouble makers?so people who hold peaceful protests are trouble makers now?more subtle intimadation from the leading lights at your club.i wonder what the owner of the pub thought about BU?seems he didn,t need to call the old bill to stop any rioting.it,s YOUR club ,it.s YOUR right to protest peacefully.if vinny tan don,t like the way the british like the right to protest then he,s in the wrong country.malaysian???sure he aint from north korea?

Steve has worked tirelessly for city god knows where we'd be without people like him,not in the premier that's for sure.show some respect.

Sian I notice one moment you invite me to a meeting to get an insight into your campaign and then I read on to discover you are accusing me of profiting from the club and rhetoric about fighting, and selling out etc. it appears you have laid out your policies and you still don't distance yourself from the Against Modern Football slogan. The inference from your posts is that you have firm beliefs which I respect but comes across as at all costs which does concern me and others.

Steve stop talking common sense. It's not welcome on this board and you should know this from experience.

BU = extremist
VT = extremist
Reluctant reds = somewhere in between

BU and VT might be opposite ends of the CCFC spectrum but they're still both extremist in their views. As a reluctant red I'm happy to let Tan have his time here, hopefully the club gains from it and then return to blue in the future nice and easily when the time is right.

you dont half talk some shite. im BU but wuld settle for tan to give us blue shorts and socks cos i know we wont get the blue shirt back wile hes here. Tan DOES NOT WANT BLUE. TAN DOES NOT WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT Thats extreme. Bluebirds Unite want to meet with the Club to perhaps see if there is some compramise can be reached seeing as the club said it would consult fans about all this over a year ago. whats extreme about BU's stance?

Steve has worked tirelessly for city god knows where we'd be without people like him,not in the premier that's for sure.show some respect.

I agree with this the club would have been fucked without borley in years gone by nobody is debating that as most know this but im sure steve is used to fans asking questions over such things after all what would the world be like if everything was played along with from one side without QUESTIONS.

Steve has worked tirelessly for city god knows where we'd be without people like him,not in the premier that's for sure.show some respect.

I agree with this the club would have been fucked without borley in years gone by nobody is debating that as most know this but im sure steve is used to fans asking questions over such things after all what would the world be like if everything was played along with from one side without QUESTIONS.

i agree lets keep it sensible.

Annis I respect your views but the impression is that people will attempt to cause trouble and that will only lead to infighting amongst the fans which is always a concern because that's the last thing I would want to see.

infighting amongst the fans has been going on for the whole season and it was the club who caused this tbh

It's been going on for a lot longer than the rebrand

you dont half talk some shite. im BU but wuld settle for tan to give us blue shorts and socks cos i know we wont get the blue shirt back wile hes here. Tan DOES NOT WANT BLUE. TAN DOES NOT WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT Thats extreme. Bluebirds Unite want to meet with the Club to perhaps see if there is some compramise can be reached seeing as the club said it would consult fans about all this over a year ago. whats extreme about BU's stance?

Its the complete opposite of what Tan wants. Therefore, by right its extreme. An extremist view in politics is one that opposes another ideology completely, as do BU with Tan's vision, thus it is therefore extremist by its nature.

trouble makers?so people who hold peaceful protests are trouble makers now?more subtle intimadation from the leading lights at your club.i wonder what the owner of the pub thought about BU?seems he didn,t need to call the old bill to stop any rioting.it,s YOUR club ,it.s YOUR right to protest peacefully.if vinny tan don,t like the way the british like the right to protest then he,s in the wrong country.malaysian???sure he aint from north korea?

Did I state that? Find me the sentence where I stated such a thing or did you just surmise it out of thin air? Its a hypothetical point made by Steve in that if control is lost and a few knobs attach itself to BU then trouble could occur. Its really not hard to dissect.

Steve is right. If some idiots tag along to away games as part of BU and kick up a fuss and go overboard then yes there will be restrictions imposed. It was just a warning by Steve and its a right one to be given. Whats wrong with a heads up? I think its fairly obvious and common sense and given our history at the club of bad behaviour and having restrictions imposed up and down Britain you'd think more would be able to comprehend his statement.

BU have not incited any violence, the only violence has come from Red supporters and the only infighting has been caused by Dictator Tan.

Totally true and they should be, especially Sian in that respect, be commended for their efforts so far. Lets hope for BU's sake that it stays that way.

Annis I respect your views but the impression is that people will attempt to cause trouble and that will only lead to infighting amongst the fans which is always a concern because that's the last thing I would want to see.

infighting amongst the fans has been going on for the whole season and it was the club who caused this tbh

It's been going on for a lot longer than the rebrand

So chucking more petrol on an already burning fire from last season helps fans for this season, im glad you agree

Annis I respect your views but the impression is that people will attempt to cause trouble and that will only lead to infighting amongst the fans which is always a concern because that's the last thing I would want to see.

infighting amongst the fans has been going on for the whole season and it was the club who caused this tbh

It's been going on for a lot longer than the rebrand

So chucking more petrol on an already burning fire from last season helps fans for this season, im glad you agree

From years ago, you new what i meant

Putting all the negative propoganda rubbish about the meeting to one side. Here are the facts from tuesday, Sian and Annis spoke really well and made it quite clear that Bluebirds Unite is not an extreme group but was for everyone who wanted the fans to have a voice about the rebrand, It's that simple. Personally i found Annis's strategy going forward too mild , so anyone who fears that BU is an extreme group, It's NOT , If you disagree with the rebrand on any level and want a voice this comming season, get involved. And TOGETHER as City fans and Bluebirds, we can atleast prevent further changes to the clubs identity and let the club know that we wont change our identity and we'll always be blue.

Join here

http://www.facebook.com/groups/BLUEBIRDSUNITE/?fref=ts

Firstly I respect Steve Borley for what he has done for CCFC in the past. But we had around 600 fans there from different backgrounds. Yes I can see that was something that Steve could hit the group with. But if he is going to come out with statements like that then why has no one from the Club condemned the bullying towards the blue brigade for over a year ?
But anyone that was there Tuesday will say it was peaceful. And to say BU are not or will not in the future is incorrect.
Perhaps Steve you are more upset these Lads are keeping your bully boys at bay.
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Annis I respect your views but the impression is that people will attempt to cause trouble and that will only lead to infighting amongst the fans which is always a concern because that's the last thing I would want to see.

infighting amongst the fans has been going on for the whole season and it was the club who caused this tbh

exactly

Steve has worked tirelessly for city god knows where we'd be without people like him,not in the premier that's for sure.show some respect.

so having a different opinion is seen as having no respect? Interesting...
Or is it more like, "don't you dare to upset the Führer..."?

FFS, we live in 2013, and everyone is entitled to his/her opinion. Goes for Steve Borley, Annis, you, me or whoever...

So causing trouble is something the club doesnt want to see?

The rebrand surely didnt cause any trouble, didnt it? Not a divide amongst us supporters?
Scarfgate didnt cause any trouble?

But protesting AGAINST a rebrand would...?

DOUBLE STANDARDS

Annis, the image of of the cause diminishes every time you make that gaff, and that is a small one compared to being associated and photographed with known people with banning orders and every event is associated with drinking. You don't see shareholders in an AGM with cans and pints . I noticed the guy in the front had his pint photoshopped out, could have done the same with a few faces.
In terms of protests they are rarely peaceful because they will get hijacked by people wanting to make a name for themselves and stating the obvious if you are seen to be transporting people to away games to cause trouble don't surprised if the ticket supply drys up. Wearing blue to games is not a problem and makes your case without harming the club which is my primary concern.
VT has stated his plan and backed it with his cash and I don't see him changing. Without his support we would not even have a chance to survive in the PL, remember Swansea had to sell 2 players and a manager for 25 mill to post a profit, we have enormous costs this close season to upgrade the facilities and hopefully pay off your mate, before we even look at the playing budget.
We have come too far to see this club slide back which some want to promote, but once you get on that slide it difficult to get off on the path to oblivion.

Steve,

The fans that were there at the meeting the other night were from all generations, you had every type of fan there, exactly how Cardiff City's fan base is made up of.
100% this group Bluebirds Unite has no intentions to cause trouble, if it did I would leave it, times have changed and so have I and you know that. You yourself like a good drink and a laugh, at the meeting the other night, there was no abuse, threatening etc, unlike at that KCB meeting a year ago, which I totally distanced myself from.

If fans like myself did not go on about our identity and the Blue, in time it would be forgotten and the new generations then would want to stay red forever. I know Tan is not going to change his mind,there is no threats to him. We are just reminding him and the new fans that We are Blue really and what it means to us.
The next owner then will hopefully change it back, but if the next owner thinks were All Red, weve got no chance.

The Uk is a Free world and freedom of speech and beliefs/opinions if done in a sensible manner should be taken on board and respected.

It breaks me regarding the rebrand, but NO I wont walk away like some have, in my opinion the best form of protest is to turn up, support your team, wear your Blue and keep the old songs going.

Annis I respect your views but the impression is that people will attempt to cause trouble and that will only lead to infighting amongst the fans which is always a concern because that's the last thing I would want to see. Football is all about passion and sometimes difficult to control emotions especially when fuelled with alcohol. Marches and protests no matter what the intentions or subject matter rarely end up peaceful, so good luck if you feel you can control them.
Wether people accept it or not this is a new chapter in our history, our first visit to the top flight for 53 years and many old hands have waited a long time for this, I would rather debate signings and fixtures but we are where we are.

The amount of abuse I get from keyboard warriors on social networking sites is unreal for accepting the re-brand to see the club I love progress and not wither and die. I would still love to be blue but the attitude of alot of the members of BU,KCB or any other blue related group is disgusting to people like myself who get behind the CLUB, I will continue to buy merchandise from the club as I have done for the past 18 years even if it just the reason to piss a lot of the bigots off out there.