Romalu Lukaku

What an arsehole you are.

How do YOU know what are realistic signings for us ?

Or for Swansea come to that ?

As of April 16th we are in the same league, on a level playing field.

Some players will favour going to you for your manager, the fact you are in the Europa and have done reasonably well..

Some players would prefer to play for our manager, in a bigger stadium, in front of bigger crowds, and in a bigger better City.

I would however expect you to have a bigger budget, especially with you likely to sell some players and having had 2 seasons of profitable premiership football, but given the promised additional investment it may not be that much bigger.

2 seasons at the top and you think you are Man Utd.

By realistic I mean transfer targets based on reports, that have some sort of substance to them, not just the "Andrei Arshavin's available on a free he'd be a good signing" threads that you get on here.

Just because we are in the same league does not mean we are on a level playing field, you are not on a level playing field with us just like your not on a level playing field to Manchester United.

A lot more players would find Michael Laudrup a bigger influence in them joining a club then Malky Mackay, and a lot more players would join a club due to European football then they would to go to a bigger ground or move to a bigger City.

We're not going to have a bigger budget than you. I'd expect us to spend £20 million tops unless we sell any player, whilst Tan has said he's going to give you £25 million, that's not what matters though, it's what you do with it that counts.

In what way have I said we're Man. United? 1 month at the top, and you think you're as good as us.

99% of the reports made at this time of year have NO substance to them. Your assumption is that you will be in a different league when it comes to signings. Yes there haven't been any signings made to back that up. Yes it's likely you will pick up some stars from Spain as you have proven to be astute in that market with clearly a good contact network there from both Martinez' old network and Laudrup's. In other markets we will have an advantage. It doesn't necessarily mean that the players you are in for are better.


So, you are saying your budget is smaller yet you will be in for better players

I don't think you have quite grasped how footballers minds work. They mostly go with the money.


Also, is Europa league really that big a draw ? Did it really make a difference for Spurs, Fulham, Man City, Chelsea, Newcastle, Birmingham, Stoke etc..

I can't remember too many players saying they were going to these clubs so they could play in the also-rans cup ? The big players just want Champions League. fact is the highlight could well be a home and away v some side in Eastern Europe no-one has heard of.

As for Laudrup v Malky, well many of our players have said they signed for us due to Malky. Laudrup has a great name and history and many contacts, but Mackay is a real charismatic leader, so again, you are assuming things without really knowing any facts.

By the way Caridff is a bigger, BETTER City, not just a bigger one. - and as you seem to be ignoring it...bigger crowds.

Ironic that about 5 years after accusing us of being arrogant that is exactly what you are being.

So, you are saying your budget is smaller yet you will be in for better players

I don't think you have quite grasped how footballers minds work. They mostly go with the money.


Also, is Europa league really that big a draw ? Did it really make a difference for Spurs, Fulham, Man City, Chelsea, Newcastle, Birmingham, Stoke etc..

I can't remember too many players saying they were going to these clubs so they could play in the also-rans cup ? The big players just want Champions League. fact is the highlight could well be a home and away v some side in Eastern Europe no-one has heard of.

As for Laudrup v Malky, well many of our players have said they signed for us due to Malky. Laudrup has a great name and history and many contacts, but Mackay is a real charismatic leader, so again, you are assuming things without really knowing any facts.

By the way Caridff is a bigger, BETTER City, not just a bigger one. - and as you seem to be ignoring it...bigger crowds.

Ironic that about 5 years after accusing us of being arrogant that is exactly what you are being.

Yes, that is exactly what I'm saying. Last season we signed Michu for £2 million, you spent £2.5 million of Etien Velikonja. It's not about how much money you have, it's about how you spend it.

Bigger crowds and a bigger City mean absolutely nothing to most football players, if they wanted to join a club purely based on the City, would they join Cardiff? If they wanted to join a club purely based on crowds, would they join Cardiff? Lets see if Rangers beat you to signing Leon Barnett, well they have bigger crowds and are a bigger City so by your logic I don't see why he'd want to join Cardiff, by your logic the football shouldn't really have anything to do with it.

The highlight of the Champions League could also be home and away against someones no-ones heard of, but they could also win it.

Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang - "My target is to play in a European competition next year. I don’t know if it will be the Champions or Europa League, but for sure, at this point in my career, I need to play in Europe."

Many of your players might have said that they'd have joined you because of Mackay, but it's not like they were offered the chance to work under Laudrup. Laudrup is one of the greatest players to play the game and a man that earns the respect throughout Europe, Mackay can probably attract some players to leave established Championship sides to join them whilst Laudrup's managed to persuade Pablo Hernandez to leave Valencia for us.

Tottenham also have the squad to compete well.. Unless you're trying to compare yourselves to Spurs now?!

Comedy gold!

We are at the same level. The only levels you have in the prem now are top 7/8 and then the "rest".

You were "best of the rest" & that tag fluctuates year on year... You finished 9th in an average premiership. Get your head out of the clouds:

I'm not trying to compare us to Spurs, I'm just saying because Newcastle struggled this season, doesn't mean it's entirely due to the Europa League. Most teams in the Europa League tend to do well in the league.

There's a huge difference between a side like us, and a side like yours, you're going to have a real shock on your hands if you think you can come up in to the Premier League and start beating sides with our sort of quality. Last season we won the League Cup, next season we'll be in Europe, we've finished 11th and 9th in the Premier League, we're not going to be on a similar level to the likes of you, Palace and Hull next season. There was a huge difference between us and the likes of QPR this season, who we thumped home and away. You call it an average Premiership, and laugh at us after any defeat, so I assume you're going to be able to walk in to the division and start winning straight away then? Big ask for your current squad that's for sure.

So, you are saying your budget is smaller yet you will be in for better players

I don't think you have quite grasped how footballers minds work. They mostly go with the money.


Also, is Europa league really that big a draw ? Did it really make a difference for Spurs, Fulham, Man City, Chelsea, Newcastle, Birmingham, Stoke etc..

I can't remember too many players saying they were going to these clubs so they could play in the also-rans cup ? The big players just want Champions League. fact is the highlight could well be a home and away v some side in Eastern Europe no-one has heard of.

As for Laudrup v Malky, well many of our players have said they signed for us due to Malky. Laudrup has a great name and history and many contacts, but Mackay is a real charismatic leader, so again, you are assuming things without really knowing any facts.

By the way Caridff is a bigger, BETTER City, not just a bigger one. - and as you seem to be ignoring it...bigger crowds.

Ironic that about 5 years after accusing us of being arrogant that is exactly what you are being.

Yes, that is exactly what I'm saying. Last season we signed Michu for £2 million, you spent £2.5 million of Etien Velikonja. It's not about how much money you have, it's about how you spend it.

Bigger crowds and a bigger City mean absolutely nothing to most football players, if they wanted to join a club purely based on the City, would they join Cardiff? If they wanted to join a club purely based on crowds, would they join Cardiff? Lets see if Rangers beat you to signing Leon Barnett, well they have bigger crowds and are a bigger City so by your logic I don't see why he'd want to join Cardiff, by your logic the football shouldn't really have anything to do with it.

The highlight of the Champions League could also be home and away against someones no-ones heard of, but they could also win it.

Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang - "My target is to play in a European competition next year. I don’t know if it will be the Champions or Europa League, but for sure, at this point in my career, I need to play in Europe."

Many of your players might have said that they'd have joined you because of Mackay, but it's not like they were offered the chance to work under Laudrup. Laudrup is one of the greatest players to play the game and a man that earns the respect throughout Europe, Mackay can probably attract some players to leave established Championship sides to join them whilst Laudrup's managed to persuade Pablo Hernandez to leave Valencia for us.

[quote="Barry Chuckle"]

One transfer big deal. - By the way you got the figure wrong for Velikonja - but no surprise to see you like most other Jacks exaggerate eh.

We got Campbell for £650k , you paid £850k for Luke Moore.

Looking at Malky's signings Gunnarsson, Turner, Taylor, Kimbo, Helguson, Mason, Mutch.. and more all bargains , who's to say he can't do the same next season, he built a Championship winning team from virtually nothing.+

It doesn't necessarily follow that your next signing will be a success. In the long run, money counts.

Of course big crowds and great cities mean something to footballers, that's why teams in outposts find it more difficult to attract players- your club have done well by going away from the mainstream to overcome this. it isn't the ONLy factor (as you try to make out) but it is A factor as is your Europa league qualification.

As for your point about Mackay and Laudrup - it works both ways, I doubt any of the players approached by yourself were given the chance to meet Mackay either. If he can attract them form other Championship clubs when we are in the Championship then he can go a step further now we are in the Prem. Laudrup was a great player, no doubt, but it doesn't guarantee he'll get who he wants, his reputation helps, but it's only 1 factor.

As for the Champions league - it's the top competition, very few teams you haven't heard of in it. Unlike the Europa where you can qualify by winning the Mickey Mouse Cup (which is what I believe your fans called it 15 months ago ) plus all the odd clubs from all over.

You've quoted a player who's looking for a move, but not actually any who actually SIGNED for a team and based that on playing in the Europa, are you struggling. After all you said Newcastle made the mistake of not strengthening last year , which is strange considering the World's best players would have been queuing up to go there by your logic.

The top 7 sides, plus the really big clubs who are underachieving will get the very best players. You will be fighting it out with the rest of us for the balance of whoever is available. The big advantage you will have is your links with Spain which will most likely mean you get decent players from there, however other clubs have been alerted to that market now and you may not find it so easy this time.

Time will tell.

One transfer big deal. - By the way you got the figure wrong for Velikonja - but no surprise to see you like most other Jacks exaggerate eh.

We got Campbell for £650k , you paid £850k for Luke Moore.

Luke Moore signed on a free but no surprise to see you like most other Redbirds exaggerate eh.

One transfer big deal. - By the way you got the figure wrong for Velikonja - but no surprise to see you like most other Jacks exaggerate eh.

We got Campbell for £650k , you paid £850k for Luke Moore.

Looking at Malky's signings Gunnarsson, Turner, Taylor, Kimbo, Helguson, Mason, Mutch.. and more all bargains , who's to say he can't do the same next season, he built a Championship winning team from virtually nothing.+

It doesn't necessarily follow that your next signing will be a success. In the long run, money counts.

Of course big crowds and great cities mean something to footballers, that's why teams in outposts find it more difficult to attract players- your club have done well by going away from the mainstream to overcome this. it isn't the ONLy factor (as you try to make out) but it is A factor as is your Europa league qualification.

As for your point about Mackay and Laudrup - it works both ways, I doubt any of the players approached by yourself were given the chance to meet Mackay either. If he can attract them form other Championship clubs when we are in the Championship then he can go a step further now we are in the Prem. Laudrup was a great player, no doubt, but it doesn't guarantee he'll get who he wants, his reputation helps, but it's only 1 factor.

As for the Champions league - it's the top competition, very few teams you haven't heard of in it. Unlike the Europa where you can qualify by winning the Mickey Mouse Cup (which is what I believe your fans called it 15 months ago ) plus all the odd clubs from all over.

You've quoted a player who's looking for a move, but not actually any who actually SIGNED for a team and based that on playing in the Europa, are you struggling. After all you said Newcastle made the mistake of not strengthening last year , which is strange considering the World's best players would have been queuing up to go there by your logic.

The top 7 sides, plus the really big clubs who are underachieving will get the very best players. You will be fighting it out with the rest of us for the balance of whoever is available. The big advantage you will have is your links with Spain which will most likely mean you get decent players from there, however other clubs have been alerted to that market now and you may not find it so easy this time.

Time will tell.

What is the correct figure then? I've seen £2.5 million banded about. We signed Luke Moore under a previous manager, and whilst DJ Campbell has scored goals in the Championship, he hasn't scored them as regularly as even someone like Luke Moore. Jordan Mutch, an average Championship midfielder for £2 million is not a bargain. There's a big difference in being able to assemble a side of Championship players with lots of money, and being able to bring in players with that extra bit of quality like Laudrup has done. We'll have to see who he signs, but at the moment he's not got anyone that's going to be someone who can win matches regularly in the Premier League.

In the long run, it's the management behind the signings that counts. Michu, De Guzman and Chico were three of the biggest bargains of the season and that's when we haven't had the lure of European football and being on the back of a top half finish and a cup winning season. Money isn't always going to be there, it's about having a good knowledge of the players you're signing (which Mackay clearly didn't have with Velikonja) and whether they'll fit your system, and signing from leagues with the best value for money which we have done in recent seasons in Holland and Spain.

Teams in outposts don't find it more difficult to attract players, we're in a small city but haven't found it difficult at all to bring in our targets and in my time watching us, only Grant Holt in his Rochdale days has ever turned us down because of the area as he didn't want to move to Wales. Norwich have been able to sign Ricky Van Wolfswinkel, Portsmouth managed to sign a number of big name stars before their financial collapse.

Laudrup was essential in the signings of Michu, Chico, Pablo and De Guzman. Without him we wouldn't have been able to sign any of these, it's a pretty important factor.

There are some teams in the Champions League that gets as far as the group stages from obscure countries, there are obviously more in the Europa League but it is a prestigious tournament for any side bar the European Elite to be involved in.

You call it the mickey mouse cup now, even though you more than likely went to the final 15 months ago.

I've quoted one of our top transfer targets, I've not just looked for any one. You can't really argue that it's a factor, when we make our signings in the summer, it's more or less a given that they'll say they were attracted by the prospect of European football or are excited by the prospect of playing in Europe. I haven't said the worlds best players are going to be joining us, but players of a higher calibre than that we were able to attract last season.

We will more than likely be fighting foreign clubs for our foreign targets, but we're not going to be losing out to newly promoted clubs for players if there are incentives are correct. I'm sure there'll be plenty of players who would join you over us, because they want more money but those aren't the players with the mindset that we want at the club, and there are plenty of players who have got the right motives such as Jose Canas who will be joining us next season and will help to push us on.

One transfer big deal. - By the way you got the figure wrong for Velikonja - but no surprise to see you like most other Jacks exaggerate eh.

We got Campbell for £650k , you paid £850k for Luke Moore.

Looking at Malky's signings Gunnarsson, Turner, Taylor, Kimbo, Helguson, Mason, Mutch.. and more all bargains , who's to say he can't do the same next season, he built a Championship winning team from virtually nothing.+

It doesn't necessarily follow that your next signing will be a success. In the long run, money counts.

Of course big crowds and great cities mean something to footballers, that's why teams in outposts find it more difficult to attract players- your club have done well by going away from the mainstream to overcome this. it isn't the ONLy factor (as you try to make out) but it is A factor as is your Europa league qualification.

As for your point about Mackay and Laudrup - it works both ways, I doubt any of the players approached by yourself were given the chance to meet Mackay either. If he can attract them form other Championship clubs when we are in the Championship then he can go a step further now we are in the Prem. Laudrup was a great player, no doubt, but it doesn't guarantee he'll get who he wants, his reputation helps, but it's only 1 factor.

As for the Champions league - it's the top competition, very few teams you haven't heard of in it. Unlike the Europa where you can qualify by winning the Mickey Mouse Cup (which is what I believe your fans called it 15 months ago ) plus all the odd clubs from all over.

You've quoted a player who's looking for a move, but not actually any who actually SIGNED for a team and based that on playing in the Europa, are you struggling. After all you said Newcastle made the mistake of not strengthening last year , which is strange considering the World's best players would have been queuing up to go there by your logic.

The top 7 sides, plus the really big clubs who are underachieving will get the very best players. You will be fighting it out with the rest of us for the balance of whoever is available. The big advantage you will have is your links with Spain which will most likely mean you get decent players from there, however other clubs have been alerted to that market now and you may not find it so easy this time.

Time will tell.

What is the correct figure then? I've seen £2.5 million banded about. We signed Luke Moore under a previous manager, and whilst DJ Campbell has scored goals in the Championship, he hasn't scored them as regularly as even someone like Luke Moore. Jordan Mutch, an average Championship midfielder for £2 million is not a bargain. There's a big difference in being able to assemble a side of Championship players with lots of money, and being able to bring in players with that extra bit of quality like Laudrup has done. We'll have to see who he signs, but at the moment he's not got anyone that's going to be someone who can win matches regularly in the Premier League.

In the long run, it's the management behind the signings that counts. Michu, De Guzman and Chico were three of the biggest bargains of the season and that's when we haven't had the lure of European football and being on the back of a top half finish and a cup winning season. Money isn't always going to be there, it's about having a good knowledge of the players you're signing (which Mackay clearly didn't have with Velikonja) and whether they'll fit your system, and signing from leagues with the best value for money which we have done in recent seasons in Holland and Spain.

Teams in outposts don't find it more difficult to attract players, we're in a small city but haven't found it difficult at all to bring in our targets and in my time watching us, only Grant Holt in his Rochdale days has ever turned us down because of the area as he didn't want to move to Wales. Norwich have been able to sign Ricky Van Wolfswinkel, Portsmouth managed to sign a number of big name stars before their financial collapse.

Laudrup was essential in the signings of Michu, Chico, Pablo and De Guzman. Without him we wouldn't have been able to sign any of these, it's a pretty important factor.

There are some teams in the Champions League that gets as far as the group stages from obscure countries, there are obviously more in the Europa League but it is a prestigious tournament for any side bar the European Elite to be involved in.

You call it the mickey mouse cup now, even though you more than likely went to the final 15 months ago.

I've quoted one of our top transfer targets, I've not just looked for any one. You can't really argue that it's a factor, when we make our signings in the summer, it's more or less a given that they'll say they were attracted by the prospect of European football or are excited by the prospect of playing in Europe. I haven't said the worlds best players are going to be joining us, but players of a higher calibre than that we were able to attract last season.

We will more than likely be fighting foreign clubs for our foreign targets, but we're not going to be losing out to newly promoted clubs for players if there are incentives are correct. I'm sure there'll be plenty of players who would join you over us, because they want more money but those aren't the players with the mindset that we want at the club, and there are plenty of players who have got the right motives such as Jose Canas who will be joining us next season and will help to push us on.

I've never heard of this Jose canas fella but you jacks swear your signing iniesta for f**k sake lol

I've never heard of this Jose canas fella but you jacks swear your signing iniesta for f**k sake lol

What makes you think that?

Lukaku set to STAY at Chelsea as Mourinho assures young striker he will get his chance

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... z2VfqQ5nVv

Ba, Torres and Falcao if reports are to be believed.All ahead of Lukaku at this moment in time.A lot of rumours down this way he fancies the move too.

Much more chance of losing your manager than signing Lukaku

Lukaku set to STAY at Chelsea as Mourinho assures young striker he will get his chance

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... z2VfqQ5nVv

But , but Swansea said he was signing for them

One transfer big deal. - By the way you got the figure wrong for Velikonja - but no surprise to see you like most other Jacks exaggerate eh.

We got Campbell for £650k , you paid £850k for Luke Moore.

Luke Moore signed on a free but no surprise to see you like most other Redbirds exaggerate eh.

Check soccerbase. 850k there in black and white.

One transfer big deal. - By the way you got the figure wrong for Velikonja - but no surprise to see you like most other Jacks exaggerate eh.

We got Campbell for £650k , you paid £850k for Luke Moore.

Luke Moore signed on a free but no surprise to see you like most other Redbirds exaggerate eh.

Check soccerbase. 850k there in black and white.

One transfer big deal. - By the way you got the figure wrong for Velikonja - but no surprise to see you like most other Jacks exaggerate eh.

We got Campbell for £650k , you paid £850k for Luke Moore.

Luke Moore signed on a free but no surprise to see you like most other Redbirds exaggerate eh.

Check soccerbase. 850k there in black and white.

And also here...

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premier ... sfers.html

Velikonja is down as £800k, although in fairness I've seen quotes of up to E2m (£1.7m), although E1m is quoted regularly http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foot ... rd-2055161

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/footbal ... sfers.html


Interesting reading there for those who say we've consistently over-spent.

Net incoming transfer fees of about £8m since we've been in the Championship


Judging by the ones we know for sure this site looks accurate too.

One transfer big deal. - By the way you got the figure wrong for Velikonja - but no surprise to see you like most other Jacks exaggerate eh.

We got Campbell for £650k , you paid £850k for Luke Moore.

Luke Moore signed on a free but no surprise to see you like most other Redbirds exaggerate eh.

Check soccerbase. 850k there in black and white.

And also here...

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premier ... sfers.html

Velikonja is down as £800k, although in fairness I've seen quotes of up to E2m (£1.7m), although E1m is quoted regularly http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foot ... rd-2055161

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/footbal ... sfers.html


Interesting reading there for those who say we've consistently over-spent.

Net incoming transfer fees of about £8m since we've been in the Championship


Judging by the ones we know for sure this site looks accurate too.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... nited.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... Moore.html

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foot ... ed-2034071

Brendan Rodgers also stated in an interview while he was manager that it was a free.

Mourinho must be lying. Swansea fans said he would sign for them.

One transfer big deal. - By the way you got the figure wrong for Velikonja - but no surprise to see you like most other Jacks exaggerate eh.

We got Campbell for £650k , you paid £850k for Luke Moore.

Luke Moore signed on a free but no surprise to see you like most other Redbirds exaggerate eh.

Check soccerbase. 850k there in black and white.

And also here...

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premier ... sfers.html

Velikonja is down as £800k, although in fairness I've seen quotes of up to E2m (£1.7m), although E1m is quoted regularly http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foot ... rd-2055161

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/footbal ... sfers.html


Interesting reading there for those who say we've consistently over-spent.

Net incoming transfer fees of about £8m since we've been in the Championship


Judging by the ones we know for sure this site looks accurate too.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... nited.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... Moore.html

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foot ... ed-2034071

Brendan Rodgers also stated in an interview while he was manager that it was a free.

Those links aren't really very good though.

One saying he was 'available on a free', before he was bought, but there were other clubs interested.
Another with no mention of anything to do with a price. Just a report form a game

Another from icwales

Wheras mine were ....

soccerbase- which is the main soccer stats site
and a site which is solely set up to analyse transfer fees. Transferleague..

Skysports also say £850k http://www1.skysports.com/football/news ... utes-Moore - mind you, THEY have got the selling club wrong

and in Conn's book... http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Zm9K ... CEQQ6AEwBA

or here... http://www.sporting-heroes.net/football ... 12_a30738/

Every other site says 'undisclosed' - if it was free then why not just say it was free ? Undisclosed would suggest there was a fee reported as widely shown


As for Rogers' quote. Think you'll need to find this to convince me on your track record.

It must have taken you all night to find those too

See also the attached.. very good article by David Conn http://swissramble.blogspot.co.uk/2011/ ... -time.html

Net transfer spending 2010-11 ...£1.5m of which £500k was Sinclair. Quote... That said, the club has been increasingly willing to splash out what it describes as “substantial” sums in order to deliver a squad that was capable of doing well in the Championship, including the likes of Nathan Dyer, Craig Beattie, Luke Moore and David Cotterill in the past few years.

(Dyer, Beattie and Cotterill were signed the season before).



At the end of the day I'm sure you'll whinge and whinge, but the fact is you tried to make out I was exaggerating the fee - yet there is plenty of evidence that I actually got the fee from solid well-used and researched football sources . , so your accusation is well wide of the mark.

One transfer big deal. - By the way you got the figure wrong for Velikonja - but no surprise to see you like most other Jacks exaggerate eh.

We got Campbell for £650k , you paid £850k for Luke Moore.

Luke Moore signed on a free but no surprise to see you like most other Redbirds exaggerate eh.

Check soccerbase. 850k there in black and white.

And also here...

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premier ... sfers.html

Velikonja is down as £800k, although in fairness I've seen quotes of up to E2m (£1.7m), although E1m is quoted regularly http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foot ... rd-2055161

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/footbal ... sfers.html


Interesting reading there for those who say we've consistently over-spent.

Net incoming transfer fees of about £8m since we've been in the Championship


Judging by the ones we know for sure this site looks accurate too.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... nited.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... Moore.html

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foot ... ed-2034071

Brendan Rodgers also stated in an interview while he was manager that it was a free.

Those links aren't really very good though.

EDITED
One saying he was 'available on a free', before he was bought, but there were other clubs interested.

Another which was just a snippit from a game which mentioned he was a free- from a journalist who clearly didn't do any research.

Another from icwales

Wheras mine were ....

soccerbase- which is the main soccer stats site
and a site which is solely set up to analyse transfer fees. Transferleague..

Skysports also say £850k http://www1.skysports.com/football/news ... utes-Moore - mind you, THEY have got the selling club wrong

and in Conn's book... http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Zm9K ... CEQQ6AEwBA

or here... http://www.sporting-heroes.net/football ... 12_a30738/

Every other site says 'undisclosed' - if it was free then why not just say it was free ? Undisclosed would suggest there was a fee reported as widely shown


As for Rogers' quote. Think you'll need to find this to convince me on your track record.

It must have taken you all night to find those too

See also the attached.. very good article by David Conn http://swissramble.blogspot.co.uk/2011/ ... -time.html

Net transfer spending 2010-11 ...£1.5m of which £500k was Sinclair. Quote... That said, the club has been increasingly willing to splash out what it describes as “substantial” sums in order to deliver a squad that was capable of doing well in the Championship, including the likes of Nathan Dyer, Craig Beattie, Luke Moore and David Cotterill in the past few years.

(Dyer, Beattie and Cotterill were signed the season before).



At the end of the day I'm sure you'll whinge and whinge, but the fact is you tried to make out I was exaggerating the fee - yet there is plenty of evidence that I actually got the fee from solid well-used and researched football sources . , so your accusation is well wide of the mark.

Are people actually having a heated debate about Velikonja and Luke Moore?

Mourinho must be lying. Swansea fans said he would sign for them.

We said that if he did go out on loan, we'd be the most likely team to get him, we never stated he was a certainty to join us.

In fairness to Swansea, Lukaku never hid the fact he was keen to go on loan again and did say in many interviews on MOTD and with the rumours of the new manager it could of been easy to suggest he would go again.

One transfer big deal. - By the way you got the figure wrong for Velikonja - but no surprise to see you like most other Jacks exaggerate eh.

We got Campbell for £650k , you paid £850k for Luke Moore.

Luke Moore signed on a free but no surprise to see you like most other Redbirds exaggerate eh.

Check soccerbase. 850k there in black and white.

And also here...

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premier ... sfers.html

Velikonja is down as £800k, although in fairness I've seen quotes of up to E2m (£1.7m), although E1m is quoted regularly http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foot ... rd-2055161

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/footbal ... sfers.html


Interesting reading there for those who say we've consistently over-spent.

Net incoming transfer fees of about £8m since we've been in the Championship


Judging by the ones we know for sure this site looks accurate too.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... nited.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... Moore.html

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foot ... ed-2034071

Brendan Rodgers also stated in an interview while he was manager that it was a free.

Those links aren't really very good though.

One saying he was 'available on a free', before he was bought, but there were other clubs interested.
Another with no mention of anything to do with a price. Just a report form a game

Another from icwales

Wheras mine were ....

soccerbase- which is the main soccer stats site
and a site which is solely set up to analyse transfer fees. Transferleague..

Skysports also say £850k http://www1.skysports.com/football/news ... utes-Moore - mind you, THEY have got the selling club wrong

and in Conn's book... http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Zm9K ... CEQQ6AEwBA

or here... http://www.sporting-heroes.net/football ... 12_a30738/

Every other site says 'undisclosed' - if it was free then why not just say it was free ? Undisclosed would suggest there was a fee reported as widely shown


As for Rogers' quote. Think you'll need to find this to convince me on your track record.

It must have taken you all night to find those too

See also the attached.. very good article by David Conn http://swissramble.blogspot.co.uk/2011/ ... -time.html

Net transfer spending 2010-11 ...£1.5m of which £500k was Sinclair. Quote... That said, the club has been increasingly willing to splash out what it describes as “substantial” sums in order to deliver a squad that was capable of doing well in the Championship, including the likes of Nathan Dyer, Craig Beattie, Luke Moore and David Cotterill in the past few years.

(Dyer, Beattie and Cotterill were signed the season before).



At the end of the day I'm sure you'll whinge and whinge, but the fact is you tried to make out I was exaggerating the fee - yet there is plenty of evidence that I actually got the fee from solid well-used and researched football sources . , so your accusation is well wide of the mark.

Amazing how the links to national newspapers stating he was signed on a free don't meet with your approval

As you can see from the link below to a thread on PS, Rodgers stated that it was a free. But given my "track record" I guess everyone else must by lying about it too eh

http://forum.planetswans.co.uk/viewtopi ... 5#p1059226

whinge whinge whinge

Check soccerbase. 850k there in black and white.[/quote]

And also here...

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premier ... sfers.html

Velikonja is down as £800k, although in fairness I've seen quotes of up to E2m (£1.7m), although E1m is quoted regularly http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foot ... rd-2055161

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/footbal ... sfers.html


Interesting reading there for those who say we've consistently over-spent.

Net incoming transfer fees of about £8m since we've been in the Championship


Judging by the ones we know for sure this site looks accurate too.[/quote]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... nited.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... Moore.html

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foot ... ed-2034071

Brendan Rodgers also stated in an interview while he was manager that it was a free.[/quote]


Those links aren't really very good though.

One saying he was 'available on a free', before he was bought, but there were other clubs interested.
Another with no mention of anything to do with a price. Just a report form a game

Another from icwales

Wheras mine were ....

soccerbase- which is the main soccer stats site
and a site which is solely set up to analyse transfer fees. Transferleague..

Skysports also say £850k http://www1.skysports.com/football/news ... utes-Moore - mind you, THEY have got the selling club wrong

and in Conn's book... http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Zm9K ... CEQQ6AEwBA

or here... http://www.sporting-heroes.net/football ... 12_a30738/

Every other site says 'undisclosed' - if it was free then why not just say it was free ? Undisclosed would suggest there was a fee reported as widely shown


As for Rogers' quote. Think you'll need to find this to convince me on your track record.

It must have taken you all night to find those too

See also the attached.. very good article by David Conn http://swissramble.blogspot.co.uk/2011/ ... -time.html

Net transfer spending 2010-11 ...£1.5m of which £500k was Sinclair. Quote... That said, the club has been increasingly willing to splash out what it describes as “substantial” sums in order to deliver a squad that was capable of doing well in the Championship, including the likes of Nathan Dyer, Craig Beattie, Luke Moore and David Cotterill in the past few years.

(Dyer, Beattie and Cotterill were signed the season before).



At the end of the day I'm sure you'll whinge and whinge, but the fact is you tried to make out I was exaggerating the fee - yet there is plenty of evidence that I actually got the fee from solid well-used and researched football sources . , so your accusation is well wide of the mark.[/quote]

Amazing how the links to national newspapers stating he was signed on a free don't meet with your approval

As you can see from the link below to a thread on PS, Rodgers stated that it was a free. But given my "track record" I guess everyone else must by lying about it too eh

http://forum.planetswans.co.uk/viewtopi ... 5#p1059226

whinge whinge whinge [/quote]


You'd better take that up with soccerbase then. Of course a quote off someone on jackarmy.net or a comment in a report (you only found 1 in all that time- the other was speculation before he signed) on a game is more relevant than their sources or the analysis by the likes of David Conn.

The 2 main transfer sites, the UK's pre-eminent football finance analyst, evidence from your accounts (who else was the £1.5m spent on ?) or a quote off your fellow jack on a messageboard and an extract from a matach report

Simple fact is, you tried to be clever by stating I was exaggerating but I took the figure from one of the best sources on the internet and backed it up with plenty more. I don't really need to do anything else as you have been unable to prove I was 'exaggerating', whereby your mate was clearly doing -although I note you haven't been spending all your time analysing the figure he gave.

My points are still spot on. All clubs have good and bad buys, Malky's recent record is good and there is no guarantee you will bring in better than us this summer.



I supppose you got Beattie , Cotterill and Lita on frees as well

The Rodgers interview after the 3-0 win v Palace in Jan 2011 stating that Moore was signed on a free must have been a mass hallucination then obviously.

Personally I prefer to take the word of the manager of the club at the time on this matter over any transfer and soccer stats website but hey, that's just personal preference.

You do whatever floats your boat.

The Rodgers interview after the 3-0 win v Palace in Jan 2011 stating that Moore was signed on a free must have been a mass hallucination then obviously.

Personally I prefer to take the word of the manager of the club at the time on this matter over any transfer and soccer stats website but hey, that's just personal preference.

You do whatever floats your boat.

Yes I certainly will.

Especially as you haven't shown me this interview...

Even your own fans were reporting it as £850k, and it was also shown in lots of transfers on Leeds, Southampton, Derby, Palace and lots of other clubs sites. Even you strugglewd to find anything saying it was a free, yet everything else says 'undisclosed' or £850k

So what you are trying to say, is instead of taking the figures widely reported on respectable sites with no axe to grind or by the top football finance expert I should search around (on a site i never read as well) to find where someone has commented that Rogers alledgedly said something before I post, just in case that might be the correct figure. FFS


Can't you see how ridiculous that is ?

By the way I found his interview and there was no mention of a free for Moore

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/footbal ... 358240.stm

This on top of all the other points I have made which you have ignored.

I think I've spent enough time on this one, listening to that whole interview was far more than I should ever have to do - you can think what you want, but I'm happy that I did enough to justify my original statement.

The Rodgers interview after the 3-0 win v Palace in Jan 2011 stating that Moore was signed on a free must have been a mass hallucination then obviously.

Personally I prefer to take the word of the manager of the club at the time on this matter over any transfer and soccer stats website but hey, that's just personal preference.

You do whatever floats your boat.

Yes I certainly will.

Especially as you haven't shown me this interview...

Even your own fans were reporting it as £850k, and it was also shown in lots of transfers on Leeds, Southampton, Derby, Palace and lots of other clubs sites. Even you strugglewd to find anything saying it was a free, yet everything else says 'undisclosed' or £850k

So what you are trying to say, is instead of taking the figures widely reported on respectable sites with no axe to grind or by the top football finance expert I should search around (on a site i never read as well) to find where someone has commented that Rogers alledgedly said something before I post, just in case that might be the correct figure. FFS


Can't you see how ridiculous that is ?

By the way I found his interview and there was no mention of a free for Moore

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/footbal ... 358240.stm

This on top of all the other points I have made which you have ignored.

I think I've spent enough time on this one, listening to that whole interview was far more than I should ever have to do - you can think what you want, but I'm happy that I did enough to justify my original statement.

If you bothered to read the PS thread I posted you will have seen it was in his post match press conference that he stated it was a free. I'd have thought you were bright enough to realise that video you posted isn't the post match press conference.

I really haven't the interest to continue this any further. I'm happy for you to believe whatever you want, regardless of the fact it's wrong but one final point, what do all these different websites report your attendance at home to Peterborough as?

The Rodgers interview after the 3-0 win v Palace in Jan 2011 stating that Moore was signed on a free must have been a mass hallucination then obviously.

Personally I prefer to take the word of the manager of the club at the time on this matter over any transfer and soccer stats website but hey, that's just personal preference.

You do whatever floats your boat.

Yes I certainly will.

Especially as you haven't shown me this interview...

Even your own fans were reporting it as £850k, and it was also shown in lots of transfers on Leeds, Southampton, Derby, Palace and lots of other clubs sites. Even you strugglewd to find anything saying it was a free, yet everything else says 'undisclosed' or £850k

So what you are trying to say, is instead of taking the figures widely reported on respectable sites with no axe to grind or by the top football finance expert I should search around (on a site i never read as well) to find where someone has commented that Rogers alledgedly said something before I post, just in case that might be the correct figure. FFS


Can't you see how ridiculous that is ?

By the way I found his interview and there was no mention of a free for Moore

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/footbal ... 358240.stm

This on top of all the other points I have made which you have ignored.

I think I've spent enough time on this one, listening to that whole interview was far more than I should ever have to do - you can think what you want, but I'm happy that I did enough to justify my original statement.

If you bothered to read the PS thread I posted you will have seen it was in his post match press conference that he stated it was a free. I'd have thought you were bright enough to realise that video you posted isn't the post match press conference.

I really haven't the interest to continue this any further. I'm happy for you to believe whatever you want, regardless of the fact it's wrong but one final point, what do all these different websites report your attendance at home to Peterborough as?

I looked for 'Rodgers interview after the Palace game' and that's what I found. In fact it was the only one, FFS - it's YOU that is trying to make out I'm making things up, yet you can't find any evidence to back yourself up. Like I said before I couldn't give a sh1t what was said on 'Planet Swans' - given the quality of what the saddo jacks who post on here come up with then I'm unlikely to ever want to go on there either.

You continually state I'm wrong then fail to provide any evidence to back it up.

TBH it doesn't matter anyway, the whole point was Swansea ALSO sign players who turn out to be sh1t. A point you've completely avoided in your desperate efforts to pick up on one element of the original post. The very fact that I knew some knob would jump on whatever I said meant that I made sure I had some credible evidence (and even you have to admit that these sites are the ones which people regularly use to check transfer dates and fees) to back up what I was saying before I posted it.

You have the accounts, so surely you could just check there and if it just shows £500k for intangible fixed asset additions then that's all that would have been spent ?

As for your pretty strange remark about Peterborough - the websites I linked aren't ones which would report attendances they are mainly transfer fees, player profiles and football finance experts sites - whereas the ones that you used ( Walesonline, Telegraph would have reported it and got it wrong ) bit of an o.g. there





Still more posts on the CCFC site - more money for Annis to buy the rest of his family season tickets to watch Cardiff City

I've provided as much evidence as you have which is links to other internet sites. You deem the ones you linked to as more trustworthy than the ones I linked to, c'est la vie.

Are you actually saying that myself and the posters on the thread on PS that I linked to are actually making it up that Rodgers stated he was signed on a free transfer in that post match press conference from 2 1/2 years ago?

As for the Peterborough attendance comment, it was obviously to show that once something has been reported incorrectly once, others take it as fact. Much like the reported £850k fee for Moore.

I've provided as much evidence as you have which is links to other internet sites. You deem the ones you linked to as more trustworthy than the ones I linked to, c'est la vie.

Are you actually saying that myself and the posters on the thread on PS that I linked to are actually making it up that Rodgers stated he was signed on a free transfer in that post match press conference from 2 1/2 years ago?

As for the Peterborough attendance comment, it was obviously to show that once something has been reported incorrectly once, others take it as fact. Much like the reported £850k fee for Moore.

As you haven't proven otherwise then yes -of course, the only post-match interview I can find says nothing about it at all. So, yes, absolutely,especially as you have completely avoided all the other points and evidence provided. I've given you enough opportunity.

The Peterborough thing goes both ways.



You are still missing the point (avoiding) more like - and especially as this will go round and round otherwise, your pointless argument is missing the real core of the argument - the point is I made a fair comment from information from a trustworthy source (and not just from what someone said on a messageboard) and without being able to prove it wrong you have tried to allege I'm intentionally exaggerating. I could have used several other players as examples - and Beattie, Cotterill and Lita are probably worse, at least Moore is half decent and has scored a few.

If you were any sort of decent man you would acknowledge the fair point I made rather than DESPERATELY (and it is getting more and more desperate) trying to pick holes in it. For example you now seem to be saying that instead of just checking the main transfer and football stat web-sites i should trawl through 3 years of Jerkarmy posts to try to find a possible thread which might not agree with what they say (without any evidence whatsoever to back it up)

Somehow I think this whole process will be lost on you as unfortunately you clearly only live to try to slag Cardiff City off.

Maybe I should just accept that this sort of thing happens when people spend half their time hanging around on a rival club's forum who they hate to the pit of their guts as that really isn't normal behaviour at all.

I've provided as much evidence as you have which is links to other internet sites. You deem the ones you linked to as more trustworthy than the ones I linked to, c'est la vie.

Are you actually saying that myself and the posters on the thread on PS that I linked to are actually making it up that Rodgers stated he was signed on a free transfer in that post match press conference from 2 1/2 years ago?

As for the Peterborough attendance comment, it was obviously to show that once something has been reported incorrectly once, others take it as fact. Much like the reported £850k fee for Moore.

As you haven't proven otherwise then yes -of course, the only post-match interview I can find says nothing about it at all. So, yes, absolutely,especially as you have completely avoided all the other points and evidence provided. I've given you enough opportunity.

The Peterborough thing goes both ways.



You are still missing the point (avoiding) more like - and especially as this will go round and round otherwise, your pointless argument is missing the real core of the argument - the point is I made a fair comment from information from a trustworthy source (and not just from what someone said on a messageboard) and without being able to prove it wrong you have tried to allege I'm intentionally exaggerating. I could have used several other players as examples - and Beattie, Cotterill and Lita are probably worse, at least Moore is half decent and has scored a few.

If you were any sort of decent man you would acknowledge the fair point I made rather than DESPERATELY (and it is getting more and more desperate) trying to pick holes in it. For example you now seem to be saying that instead of just checking the main transfer and football stat web-sites i should trawl through 3 years of Jerkarmy posts to try to find a possible thread which might not agree with what they say (without any evidence whatsoever to back it up)

Somehow I think this whole process will be lost on you as unfortunately you clearly only live to try to slag Cardiff City off.

Maybe I should just accept that this sort of thing happens when people spend half their time hanging around on a rival club's forum who they hate to the pit of their guts as that really isn't normal behaviour at all.

It must have been a mass hallucination of Swans fans hearing and seeing Rodgers say Moore was signed on a free then ffs

But hey, you feel free to go with your websites

The Rodgers interview after the 3-0 win v Palace in Jan 2011 stating that Moore was signed on a free must have been a mass hallucination then obviously.

Personally I prefer to take the word of the manager of the club at the time on this matter over any transfer and soccer stats website but hey, that's just personal preference.

You do whatever floats your boat.

Is that the same word of the manager who said he wasn't interested in Liverpool