doverblue can go do one, simple

Boro are not bigger than us. Although their relatively recent success could give some the opinion that they are.

Millwall bigger than Cardiff?! Oh please.

Agreed that some people did not want to turn up because of the trouble but thats not the whole truth, if it was, how do you explain the thousands who turned up at FA cup games, play off final and say the 5/6K we took away to scunphorpe back in early 90s ?

Not saying a few stayed away because of our rep, but most stayed away because we were not in the top flight.. Simple

Again, im not saying there are no other factors but Tan has done this for one reason, to change our image so that we look like a lovely little club in South Wales that families can go to on a weekend or weekday without fear for their children's safety. There are of course various factors but the changing of image is one of them and unfortunately to change the image you need to change the appearance in the national media which then brings focus on the club. To some for the wrong reasons, for others for the right reasons. Depends which side you are on. He's done it all for money though and that is something we all can agree on. Going to the CCS in the future will be a similar experience to going to the theatre and that will make him happy whilst annoying loads who prefer a good atmosphere etc.

Chuckle, I did not say Millwall were bigger than us. Learn to read FFS, its getting quite tiresome. I said they are in a more populated area of the country. Millwall are lucky that they will have fans who cant get a ticket for the bigger London clubs turn up just because they want to see live football or cause trouble. The same with Palace. Millwall are not bigger than us, of course they are not but they of course benefit from the fact that people struggle to get tickets for the other London clubs. Stick Millwall outside of London and their attendances would drop.

Boro are not bigger than us. Although their relatively recent success could give some the opinion that they are.

Millwall bigger than Cardiff?! Oh please.

Chuckle, I did not say Millwall were bigger than us. Learn to read FFS, its getting quite tiresome. I said they are in a more populated area of the country. Millwall are lucky that they will have fans who cant get a ticket for the bigger London clubs turn up just because they want to see live football or cause trouble. The same with Palace. Millwall are not bigger than us, of course they are not but they of course benefit from the fact that people struggle to get tickets for the other London clubs. Stick Millwall outside of London and their attendances would drop.

This just proves you don't read peoples posts properly as I did not say Millwall were a bigger club. Population does not equate to the clubs status in terms of size.

Boro are not bigger than us. Although their relatively recent success could give some the opinion that they are.

Millwall bigger than Cardiff?! Oh please.

Chuckle, I did not say Millwall were bigger than us. Learn to read FFS, its getting quite tiresome. I said they are in a more populated area of the country. Millwall are lucky that they will have fans who cant get a ticket for the bigger London clubs turn up just because they want to see live football or cause trouble. The same with Palace. Millwall are not bigger than us, of course they are not but they of course benefit from the fact that people struggle to get tickets for the other London clubs. Stick Millwall outside of London and their attendances would drop.

This just proves you don't read peoples posts properly as I did not say Millwall were a bigger club. Population does not equate to the clubs status in terms of size.

Didn't actually read your post, your posts are far too long winded for a message board. All I saw was a discussion about Millwall being bigger, which I gave my opinion on.

Why do you automatically think it's about you?

Boro are not bigger than us. Although their relatively recent success could give some the opinion that they are.

Millwall bigger than Cardiff?! Oh please.

Chuckle, I did not say Millwall were bigger than us. Learn to read FFS, its getting quite tiresome. I said they are in a more populated area of the country. Millwall are lucky that they will have fans who cant get a ticket for the bigger London clubs turn up just because they want to see live football or cause trouble. The same with Palace. Millwall are not bigger than us, of course they are not but they of course benefit from the fact that people struggle to get tickets for the other London clubs. Stick Millwall outside of London and their attendances would drop.

This just proves you don't read peoples posts properly as I did not say Millwall were a bigger club. Population does not equate to the clubs status in terms of size.

Didn't actually read your post, your posts are far too long winded for a message board. All I saw was a discussion about Millwall being bigger, which I gave my opinion on.

Why do you automatically think it's about you?

Ignorance is bliss.

No, just don't agree with the majority of your posts and I suspect some of them are written in a way to be a bit of a wind up merchant.

Plus, far too long winded for message board purposes.

No, just don't agree with the majority of your posts and I suspect some of them are written in a way to be a bit of a wind up merchant.

Plus, far too long winded for message board purposes.

None are done to wind up. I just have a different view point to many. Some agree, some dont. Each to their own. I did wind up people on my other account before but that was that. No point continuing on this thread now. Lets just be happy with current events and hopefully we all see the side we support in the Premier League next season. All the best.

THE suggestion here surely was that Millwall have a 'larger population pool' to draw from
and that as such, any claims that they are 'as big a club' as Cardiff have some merit.

which is absolute bollocks.

Of course they are not as 'big' a Club as us.

Middlesborough are no longer as big a Club as Cardiff City. Over the last
30 odd years they most definitely have been. So have Birmingham City. But now?
We have overtaken them both in terms of ambition, professionalism and quality of
the personnel we can bring into the Club.

Also important (given your focus on 'population pools) our average attendances:

Over the last four season, the average attendances for the three Club are as follows:

Cardiff City 21,999
Birmingham City 21,603
Middlesborough 17,918

Bearing in mind, for 2 of the 4 seasons, Birmingham were in the Premiership!!!

For obvious reasons I just could not be arsed checking little Millwalls stats.

Years ago, Bolton and Blackpool were two of the 'biggest' Clubs in England. Times change

THE suggestion here surely was that Millwall have a 'larger population pool' to draw from
and that as such, any claims that they are 'as big a club' as Cardiff have some merit.

which is absolute bollocks.

Of course they are not as 'big' a Club as us.

Middlesborough are no longer as big a Club as Cardiff City. Over the last
30 odd years they most definitely have been. So have Birmingham City. But now?
We have overtaken them both in terms of ambition, professionalism and quality of
the personnel we can bring into the Club.

Also important (given your focus on 'population pools) our average attendances:

Over the last four season, the average attendances for the three Club are as follows:

Cardiff City 21,999
Birmingham City 21,603
Middlesborough 17,918

Bearing in mind, for 2 of the 4 seasons, Birmingham were in the Premiership!!!

For obvious reasons I just could not be arsed checking little Millwalls stats.

Years ago, Bolton and Blackpool were two of the 'biggest' Clubs in England. Times change

Were you dropped on your head as a baby? Seriously, I said OR which is the case.

Everyone of those clubs has either a larger population pool to select from or they are a bigger club.

I never said that the population is related to the frigging size of a club whatsoever.

You are so frigging draining on people mentally because you fail to read all of their points. The only club there not bigger than us are Millwall. I never said once they were bigger than us.

I think you are just acting retarded now so that I bite and get banned.

THE suggestion here surely was that Millwall have a 'larger population pool' to draw from
and that as such, any claims that they are 'as big a club' as Cardiff have some merit.

which is absolute bollocks.

Of course they are not as 'big' a Club as us.

Middlesborough are no longer as big a Club as Cardiff City. Over the last
30 odd years they most definitely have been. So have Birmingham City. But now?
We have overtaken them both in terms of ambition, professionalism and quality of
the personnel we can bring into the Club.

Also important (given your focus on 'population pools) our average attendances:

Over the last four season, the average attendances for the three Club are as follows:

Cardiff City 21,999
Birmingham City 21,603
Middlesborough 17,918

Bearing in mind, for 2 of the 4 seasons, Birmingham were in the Premiership!!!

For obvious reasons I just could not be arsed checking little Millwalls stats.

Years ago, Bolton and Blackpool were two of the 'biggest' Clubs in England. Times change

Were you dropped on your head as a baby? Seriously, I said OR which is the case.

Everyone of those clubs has either a larger population pool to select from or they are a bigger club.

I never said that the population is related to the frigging size of a club whatsoever.

You are so frigging draining on people mentally because you fail to read all of their points. The only club there not bigger than us are Millwall. I never said once they were bigger than us.

I think you are just acting retarded now so that I bite and get banned.

Do they still have debating societies in universities?

If they do, don't think about it mate, your technique needs some work.

:-O

THE suggestion here surely was that Millwall have a 'larger population pool' to draw from
and that as such, any claims that they are 'as big a club' as Cardiff have some merit.

which is absolute bollocks.

Of course they are not as 'big' a Club as us.

Middlesborough are no longer as big a Club as Cardiff City. Over the last
30 odd years they most definitely have been. So have Birmingham City. But now?
We have overtaken them both in terms of ambition, professionalism and quality of
the personnel we can bring into the Club.

Also important (given your focus on 'population pools) our average attendances:

Over the last four season, the average attendances for the three Club are as follows:

Cardiff City 21,999
Birmingham City 21,603
Middlesborough 17,918

Bearing in mind, for 2 of the 4 seasons, Birmingham were in the Premiership!!!

For obvious reasons I just could not be arsed checking little Millwalls stats.

Years ago, Bolton and Blackpool were two of the 'biggest' Clubs in England. Times change

Were you dropped on your head as a baby? Seriously, I said OR which is the case.

Everyone of those clubs has either a larger population pool to select from or they are a bigger club.

I never said that the population is related to the frigging size of a club whatsoever.

You are so frigging draining on people mentally because you fail to read all of their points. The only club there not bigger than us are Millwall. I never said once they were bigger than us.

I think you are just acting retarded now so that I bite and get banned.

What were you inferring when you said they had a 'bigger population pool' than
us then? (they don't, actually) They have to share 1.7m people with Charlton
amd Crystal Palace

Last edited by taffyapple on Wed Jan 02, 2013 2:30 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Do they still have debating societies in universities?

If they do, don't think about it mate, your technique needs some work.

:-O

What were you inferring when you said they had a 'bigger population pool' than
us then? (they don't, actually) They have to share 1.7m people with Charlton
amd Crystal Palace

1.4/3 = 466,000 on average each

Population of Cardiff = 346,000

Yes we have the surrounding areas etc. but they have the riff raff that cant get tickets for the bigger London clubs. Swings and roundabouts in that respect. By your own admission they have roughly on average over 100,000 more people in their population pool.

Do they still have debating societies in universities?

If they do, don't think about it mate, your technique needs some work.

:-O

Its not Rocket Science.

If your going to open up a topic for debate/conversation...

Make sure you've got your facts right, or be prepared to fall on your sword when you are wrong.

I've got a 25 yr old lad who was a bit the same. He's very very bright, but something in the back of
his head convinced him he was always right. Whether its cos of three Afghan tours and he had a
feeling of indestructibility, and of supreme self-confidence, I dont know? But sometimes I'm
left shaking my head with him. He's much better now thank f**k.

"Did I really say that, Dad"

"Yes you did"

"Oh what a cock I am!"

What were you inferring when you said they had a 'bigger population pool' than
us then? (they don't, actually) They have to share 1.7m people with Charlton
amd Crystal Palace

1.4/3 = 466,000 on average each

Population of Cardiff = 346,000

Yes we have the surrounding areas etc. but they have the riff raff that cant get tickets for the bigger London clubs. Swings and roundabouts in that respect. By your own admission they have roughly on average over 100,000 more people in their population pool.

Im sorry, You've really really lost me now???

So South East London is full of riff raff that cant go to other grounds.

what about South East Wales? One Club. 1.5million. Do we not have riffraff???

Your reasoning does not just 'escape' me, it has smashed its way out of
my jail and rocketed off into a different star system

Do they still have debating societies in universities?

If they do, don't think about it mate, your technique needs some work.

:-O

Its not Rocket Science.

If your going to open up a topic for debate/conversation...

Make sure you've got your facts right, or be prepared to fall on your sword when you are wrong.

I've got a 25 yr old lad who was a bit the same. He's very very bright, but something in the back of
his head convinced him he was always right. Whether its cos of three Afghan tours and he had a
feeling of indestructibility, and of supreme self-confidence, I dont know? But sometimes I'm
left shaking my head with him. He's much better now thank f**k.

"Did I really say that, Dad"

"Yes you did"

"Oh what a cock I am!"

Yet failed to address your own admission. Laughable. Your 25 yr old lad is irrelevant. Hes him, im me.

He probably just says it to make you feel better and it makes it easier for him to get on with you. I bet sometimes you say stuff and hes like FFS dad, get a grip. Again, swings and roundabouts. Again, I dont think im always right. I have admitted I Was wrong plenty of times on this forum. The problem is you fail to actually grasp an understanding of the point made.

What were you inferring when you said they had a 'bigger population pool' than
us then? (they don't, actually) They have to share 1.7m people with Charlton
amd Crystal Palace

1.4/3 = 466,000 on average each

Population of Cardiff = 346,000

Yes we have the surrounding areas etc. but they have the riff raff that cant get tickets for the bigger London clubs. Swings and roundabouts in that respect. By your own admission they have roughly on average over 100,000 more people in their population pool.

Im sorry, You've really really lost me now???

So South East London is full of riff raff that cant go to other grounds.

what about South East Wales? One Club. 1.5million. Do we not have riffraff???

Your reasoning does not just 'escape' me, it has smashed its way out of
my jail and rocketed off into a different star system

Im not surprised i've lost you. You are the stupidest person I have ever conversed with and I actually feel dumber for having done so and im not just saying that as an insult, I actually mean it. Conversing with you is mentally taxing. When Stamford Bridge is full and Arsenal is full - people on waiting lists for season tickets, struglling to get tickets for games etc. Not everyone can afford a season ticket for Arsenal, Chelsea or Spurs, there are tough times so they go to shit clubs like Palace and Millwall instead.

Do they still have debating societies in universities?

If they do, don't think about it mate, your technique needs some work.

:-O

Its not Rocket Science.

If your going to open up a topic for debate/conversation...

Make sure you've got your facts right, or be prepared to fall on your sword when you are wrong.

I've got a 25 yr old lad who was a bit the same. He's very very bright, but something in the back of
his head convinced him he was always right. Whether its cos of three Afghan tours and he had a
feeling of indestructibility, and of supreme self-confidence, I dont know? But sometimes I'm
left shaking my head with him. He's much better now thank f**k.

"Did I really say that, Dad"

"Yes you did"

"Oh what a cock I am!"

Yet failed to address your own admission. Laughable. Your 25 yr old lad is irrelevant. Hes him, im me.

He probably just says it to make you feel better and it makes it easier for him to get on with you. I bet sometimes you say stuff and hes like FFS dad, get a grip. Again, swings and roundabouts. Again, I dont think im always right. I have admitted I Was wrong plenty of times on this forum. The problem is you fail to actually grasp an understanding of the point made.

The original point you made was that Vincent Tan decided on the rebrand partly because Cardiff City
in Blue was associated with hooliganism. And that the rebrand, the RED has helped delete that awful past
from many peoples memories.

the examples you cited as evidence were ludicrous and not one person agrees with you.

Mainly because we were winning 'family club' awards three two years before we left Ninian Park.

God knows how we've got on to Millwall having a larger catchment area than Cardiff City.

But your wrong again

The original point you made was that Vincent Tan decided on the rebrand partly because Cardiff City
in Blue was associated with hooliganism. And that the rebrand, the RED has helped delete that awful past
from many peoples memories.

Further proof you missed the actual point.

the examples you cited as evidence were ludicrous and not one person agrees with you.

My PM's on the other forums as well as a thread created suggest otherwise. Also a few in this thread on earlier pages actually have grasped the point made so maybe there is hope after all.

Mainly because we were winning 'family club' awards three two years before we left Ninian Park.

Again I've said this is a factor. I have said nowhere that the change in image is the only factor. You just let your brain run wild with you. I suggest you stay off the scotch when you're at your pc.

God knows how we've got on to Millwall having a larger catchment area than Cardiff City.

By your own admission and the figures you presented that was mathematically proven.

But your wrong again

If thats what helps you sleep at night then think it. If your aim was to help me lose all faith in the human race then you have succeeded. Good Lord.

What were you inferring when you said they had a 'bigger population pool' than
us then? (they don't, actually) They have to share 1.7m people with Charlton
amd Crystal Palace

1.4/3 = 466,000 on average each

Population of Cardiff = 346,000

Yes we have the surrounding areas etc. but they have the riff raff that cant get tickets for the bigger London clubs. Swings and roundabouts in that respect. By your own admission they have roughly on average over 100,000 more people in their population pool.

Im sorry, You've really really lost me now???

So South East London is full of riff raff that cant go to other grounds.

what about South East Wales? One Club. 1.5million. Do we not have riffraff???

Your reasoning does not just 'escape' me, it has smashed its way out of
my jail and rocketed off into a different star system

Im not surprised i've lost you. You are the stupidest person I have ever conversed with and I actually feel dumber for having done so and im not just saying that as an insult, I actually mean it. Conversing with you is mentally taxing. When Stamford Bridge is full and Arsenal is full - people on waiting lists for season tickets, struglling to get tickets for games etc. Not everyone can afford a season ticket for Arsenal, Chelsea or Spurs, there are tough times so they go to shit clubs like Palace and Millwall instead.

What a load of f*cking made up bollocks.



So Cardiff City could not attract supporters because of our hooligan problem. Yet
your suggesting Arsenal, Chelsea and spurs fans all 'go down to the Den' when they
cant get tickets for 'their' Clubs games. You dont know South East London very well
do you

Stop making things up as you go along FFS

Do they still have debating societies in universities?

If they do, don't think about it mate, your technique needs some work.

:-O

Stunning reply, that's put me in my place.

Stick to binaries, algorithms and try giving up typing messages by banging your head on the keyboard.

I actually feel sorry for you.

What a load of f*cking made up bollocks.



So Cardiff City could not attract supporters because of our hooligan problem. Yet
your suggesting Arsenal, Chelsea and spurs fans all 'go down to the Den' when they
cant get tickets for 'their' Clubs games. You dont know South East London very well
do you

Stop making things up as you go along FFS

And you miss the point again.

Refer to page 2 and you'll see 2 people who actually have the capability to understand the points made.

All the best and I hope your troubled soul gets somewhere.

Stunning reply, that's put me in my place.

Why would I want to put you in your place?

Stick to binaries, algorithms and try giving up typing messages by banging your head on the keyboard.

Im in university, not college.

I actually feel sorry for you.

I feel sorry for your parents.

What a load of f*cking made up bollocks.



So Cardiff City could not attract supporters because of our hooligan problem. Yet
your suggesting Arsenal, Chelsea and spurs fans all 'go down to the Den' when they
cant get tickets for 'their' Clubs games. You dont know South East London very well
do you

Stop making things up as you go along FFS

And you miss the point again.

Refer to page 2 and you'll see 2 people who actually have the capability to understand the points made.

All the best and I hope your troubled soul gets somewhere.

Neither of them agree that Tan changed the colour in any way shape or form because Blue
was associated with hooliganism. You have singularly failed to grasp that hooliganism has
been dead since long before Vincent Tan walked in through the door. As such, i do not
believe ONE supporter has thought "Ah, their not playing in Blue now, it must be safe down there"

Not even your mate "Tommy Scouse"

Neither of them agree that Tan changed the colour in any way shape or form because Blue
was associated with hooliganism. You have singularly failed to grap that hooliganism has
been dead since long before Vincent Tan walked in through the door. As such, i do not
believe ONE supporter has thought "Ah, their not playing in Blue now, it must be safe down there"

Not even your mate "Tommy Scouse"

I never said that. You've missed the point quite clearly. Of course hooliganism was dead long before Tan walked through the door. Try telling that to people who do not follow the club religiously. There are still people out there who think our club is involved with fighting now and the incident at the racecourse not so long ago doesn't really help does it? I never said the colour is the sole reason but a causative factor that changes the perception people may have of the club.

I don't think you are intelligent to understand the point made however.

Stunning reply, that's put me in my place.

Why would I want to put you in your place?
O

Stick to binaries, algorithms and try giving up typing messages by banging your head on the keyboard.

Im in university, not college.

I actually feel sorry for you.

I feel sorry for your parents.

Ha ha ha ha ha. You absolute numb nut.

Very mature and another quality response.

My 3 year old could do better.

Love the insult by the way it's cut me to the bone.

Stunning reply, that's put me in my place.

Why would I want to put you in your place?
O

Stick to binaries, algorithms and try giving up typing messages by banging your head on the keyboard.

Im in university, not college.

I actually feel sorry for you.

I feel sorry for your parents.

Ha ha ha ha ha. You absolute numb nut.

Very mature and another quality response.

My 3 year old could do better.

Love the insult by the way it's cut me to the bone.

Tan didn't even know a thing about Cardiff City or Football till a few years ago. Do you really think he knows that much about our reputation in the past?

Do you think anyone at board level would tell Tan that we had that reputation or do you think he sat on YouTube looking at some of the CCTV videos.

Do you really think that Tan had that lightbulb moment and thought, "I know what will sort this out, a change to red and a new badge. Families and new fans will turn up in their droves"

Neither of them agree that Tan changed the colour in any way shape or form because Blue
was associated with hooliganism. You have singularly failed to grap that hooliganism has
been dead since long before Vincent Tan walked in through the door. As such, i do not
believe ONE supporter has thought "Ah, their not playing in Blue now, it must be safe down there"

Not even your mate "Tommy Scouse"

I never said that. You've missed the point quite clearly. Of course hooliganism was dead long before Tan walked through the door. Try telling that to people who do not follow the club religiously. There are still people out there who think our club is involved with fighting now and the incident at the racecourse not so long ago doesn't really help does it? I never said the colour is the sole reason but a causative factor that changes the perception people may have of the club.

I don't think you are intelligent to understand the point made however.

Your quote:

This season though they've taken kids because they deem it safer. Maybe that had happened if we were blue still and they just felt the time was right but its one hell of a coincidence



Listen. I never wrote this, you did. Your actually suggesting that some families are now taking kids because
it feels 'safer' in Red than Blue.

What a tool!!

Tan didn't even know a thing about Cardiff City or Football till a few years ago. Do you really think he knows that much about our reputation in the past?

Do you think anyone at board level would tell Tan that we had that reputation or do you think he sat on YouTube looking at some of the CCTV videos.

Do you really think that Tan had that lightbulb moment and thought, "I know what will sort this out, a change to red and a new badge. Families and new fans will turn up in their droves"

Of course he is going to know of the reputation of one of his 'businesses' or potential businesses. Tan may be a bit of a loony in terms of his thinking but he is not an idiot when it comes to business.