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brickyblue wrote:The jews lived there before the Arab conquest in 1948 they just reclaimed there land .Even the Christian holy places got taken over and Christians and Jews were made dimi .
So it's deep in history. The Israeli people live with Muslims and Christians and others .Muslim countries aren't like that.
It's a big problem and im not saying isreal is right but you have to understand the entire history the British never helped either .
Isreal is a democracy that can't be said for many of its neighbours.
Hamas is a terrorist organisation aswell that just want to claim the whole of isreal and that isn't right either .It's very difficult to have an answer for this but all the death is not right but hamas built tunnels and claimed schools and hospitals for military use thats not right is it.
Also a lot of aid is taken by hamas.
Would British send aid to Germany in the war no.
Isreal do send aid to gaza.
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Lengee wrote:Israel are extreme right wing Zionists. They have been stealing land and treating Palestinians terribly for decades in breach of Int law. How can someone like Brickyblue believe that Israel has history on their side??
Whatever your politics how can you defend over 20,000 innocent children being slaughtered??
The sad thing is that decent people in UK do not know/ understand what is going on. A life is a life whatever the nationality or colour of skin. Our media do not tell them the full story. If they did the British public would be protesting far more loudly.and in far greater numbers.
I am not an extremist, and again I ask, (whatever your politics) ….how can you defend over 20,000 innocent children being slaughtered??Bombed, shot, burnt alive, and now starved to death - they are just young kids.
This is genocide and ethnic cleansing. And we are still providing arms. Disgusting and in the UK we should hang our heads in shame.
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brickyblue wrote:It's very sad that people get caught up in wars that kill and injure people young and old .Im not saying i agree with isreal and whats happening isreal has made some terrible decisions and mistakes.
On the other side hamas want isreal gone it's a religious caliphate to spread Islam thats what from the river to the sea means eradication.
It's a conflict thats been going on years and many have tried to end it but do hamas which the people voted for and our a terrorist organisation actually want an end to it .Isreal arnt innocent in this one bit and I dont agree how they have acted at all.
Isreal is like a western democracy and a very successful country that welcomes all religion and wants to interact they have Muslim Christian and Jewish people in government etc.
Hamas however have you ever read there manifesto .They just want to wipe out the jews and isreal .
The 60 day cease fire isreal agreed to it has hamas agreed not sure haven't checked.
Isreal could wipe out gaza and take over they haven't and again I do not agree with what they have done is strongly disagree. If hamas could take isreal they definitely would take it thats my point .
Hamas are not the innocent party here so I do support palistine yes but against hamas .As I said what about all the other terrible conflicts in the world no one talks of them .
The Oslo agreement should of been signed by arafat he had a chance for peace they didn't want it.
Don't forget Islam conquered the middle east and the lands of jesus christ and made it there land for there religion and its still happening today.
I just wish man could live in harmony with man and respect each other's cultures and religions the world would be a much better place then wouldn't it .Israel should stop the bombs and the international world should step in for a peaceful resolution but how they do that i don't no .
Sun Jul 06, 2025 8:04 pm
Forever Blue wrote:brickyblue wrote:It's very sad that people get caught up in wars that kill and injure people young and old .Im not saying i agree with isreal and whats happening isreal has made some terrible decisions and mistakes.
On the other side hamas want isreal gone it's a religious caliphate to spread Islam thats what from the river to the sea means eradication.
It's a conflict thats been going on years and many have tried to end it but do hamas which the people voted for and our a terrorist organisation actually want an end to it .Isreal arnt innocent in this one bit and I dont agree how they have acted at all.
Isreal is like a western democracy and a very successful country that welcomes all religion and wants to interact they have Muslim Christian and Jewish people in government etc.
Hamas however have you ever read there manifesto .They just want to wipe out the jews and isreal .
The 60 day cease fire isreal agreed to it has hamas agreed not sure haven't checked.
Isreal could wipe out gaza and take over they haven't and again I do not agree with what they have done is strongly disagree. If hamas could take isreal they definitely would take it thats my point .
Hamas are not the innocent party here so I do support palistine yes but against hamas .As I said what about all the other terrible conflicts in the world no one talks of them .
The Oslo agreement should of been signed by arafat he had a chance for peace they didn't want it.
Don't forget Islam conquered the middle east and the lands of jesus christ and made it there land for there religion and its still happening today.
I just wish man could live in harmony with man and respect each other's cultures and religions the world would be a much better place then wouldn't it .Israel should stop the bombs and the international world should step in for a peaceful resolution but how they do that i don't no .
The Terrorists are Israel.
It’s them invading other peoples countries, Raping, Killing and Burning Alive Innocent Women , Children and Men and then taking their lands.
Israel are the ones doing the Genocide a Fact.
Mon Jul 07, 2025 8:17 am
brickyblue wrote:Forever Blue wrote:brickyblue wrote:It's very sad that people get caught up in wars that kill and injure people young and old .Im not saying i agree with isreal and whats happening isreal has made some terrible decisions and mistakes.
On the other side hamas want isreal gone it's a religious caliphate to spread Islam thats what from the river to the sea means eradication.
It's a conflict thats been going on years and many have tried to end it but do hamas which the people voted for and our a terrorist organisation actually want an end to it .Isreal arnt innocent in this one bit and I dont agree how they have acted at all.
Isreal is like a western democracy and a very successful country that welcomes all religion and wants to interact they have Muslim Christian and Jewish people in government etc.
Hamas however have you ever read there manifesto .They just want to wipe out the jews and isreal .
The 60 day cease fire isreal agreed to it has hamas agreed not sure haven't checked.
Isreal could wipe out gaza and take over they haven't and again I do not agree with what they have done is strongly disagree. If hamas could take isreal they definitely would take it thats my point .
Hamas are not the innocent party here so I do support palistine yes but against hamas .As I said what about all the other terrible conflicts in the world no one talks of them .
The Oslo agreement should of been signed by arafat he had a chance for peace they didn't want it.
Don't forget Islam conquered the middle east and the lands of jesus christ and made it there land for there religion and its still happening today.
I just wish man could live in harmony with man and respect each other's cultures and religions the world would be a much better place then wouldn't it .Israel should stop the bombs and the international world should step in for a peaceful resolution but how they do that i don't no .
The Terrorists are Israel.
It’s them invading other peoples countries, Raping, Killing and Burning Alive Innocent Women , Children and Men and then taking their lands.
Israel are the ones doing the Genocide a Fact.
I actually condemn Israel and I condemn hamas .
Do you condemn hamas ?
Israel is surrounded by countries that want to eradicate it wipe it off the face of the earth .
You've had some pretty harsh words to say about Israel but you haven't said anything about hamas or any of the other terrorist organisations in the middle east .I condemn Israel for its wrong doing and I condemn hamas for it's .Do you ?
Mon Jul 07, 2025 8:57 am
brickyblue wrote:Forever Blue wrote:brickyblue wrote:It's very sad that people get caught up in wars that kill and injure people young and old .Im not saying i agree with isreal and whats happening isreal has made some terrible decisions and mistakes.
On the other side hamas want isreal gone it's a religious caliphate to spread Islam thats what from the river to the sea means eradication.
It's a conflict thats been going on years and many have tried to end it but do hamas which the people voted for and our a terrorist organisation actually want an end to it .Isreal arnt innocent in this one bit and I dont agree how they have acted at all.
Isreal is like a western democracy and a very successful country that welcomes all religion and wants to interact they have Muslim Christian and Jewish people in government etc.
Hamas however have you ever read there manifesto .They just want to wipe out the jews and isreal .
The 60 day cease fire isreal agreed to it has hamas agreed not sure haven't checked.
Isreal could wipe out gaza and take over they haven't and again I do not agree with what they have done is strongly disagree. If hamas could take isreal they definitely would take it thats my point .
Hamas are not the innocent party here so I do support palistine yes but against hamas .As I said what about all the other terrible conflicts in the world no one talks of them .
The Oslo agreement should of been signed by arafat he had a chance for peace they didn't want it.
Don't forget Islam conquered the middle east and the lands of jesus christ and made it there land for there religion and its still happening today.
I just wish man could live in harmony with man and respect each other's cultures and religions the world would be a much better place then wouldn't it .Israel should stop the bombs and the international world should step in for a peaceful resolution but how they do that i don't no .
The Terrorists are Israel.
It’s them invading other peoples countries, Raping, Killing and Burning Alive Innocent Women , Children and Men and then taking their lands.
Israel are the ones doing the Genocide a Fact.
I actually condemn Israel and I condemn hamas .
Do you condemn hamas ?
Israel is surrounded by countries that want to eradicate it wipe it off the face of the earth .
You've had some pretty harsh words to say about Israel but you haven't said anything about hamas or any of the other terrorist organisations in the middle east .I condemn Israel for its wrong doing and I condemn hamas for it's .Do you ?
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brickyblue wrote:The attack by hamas on October the 7th 2023 on Israel by hamas rekindle the war .They killed over a thousand people and took 251 hostages. If france for example did that to us we would be at war with france .I dont agree Israel bombed and kept bombing Palestine this isn't right .Israel should of worked with the UN for a resolution to the hamas attack on innocent people.
It happened you just can't ignore this .
Israel let all religions interact in there country and into government.
That can't be said for the countries that surround Israel they don't want to work with Christians or Jews.
That is the problem some people dont want piece until Israel is totally eradicated but Israel haven't said the same about those countries that want it gone .
The jews have a right to land they were there a long time before other religions got there as do Christians.
Why they just can't share the holly lands together all religions and respect each other I dont no .
I really dont no what Israel are supposed to do.
Its a mess and people are being killed it's awful not just in palistine but in many other countries aswell people are persecuted for being a certain religion.
The international community should be doing something about it and the west is fast asleep to all of it .
As I said hamas is an elected government and the other parties are just as bad as hamas there manifesto was a shock when I read it have a read of it .
As I said I condemn Israel for how it's acted with its military in retaliation.
I condemn hamas for what it stands for and what it's objectives are .
I think thats a fair assessment of what is happening.
Both sides definitely have many faults and I stand by palistine but against hamas.
Lets hope and pray for a quick end to it all and many years of peace and a working relationship between the neighbouring countries in the area but how that will work ive no idea
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brickyblue wrote:Annis im sorry ive wound you up not my intentions what so ever .
Im just a normal person trying to make sense of it all .
I've tried to make some sense of it due to the issue being on our streets in the UK.You have family out there and im not for one minute saying im an expert in any of this and yes you are right I have read up on a lot of stuff for both sides of the coin to make sense of why the subject has so much relevance in the UK and the world .
Im not a supporter of any body and maybe it was wrong of me to enter into a debate with you.
Its obviously something thats deep in your heart for reasons personal to you .So again mate ill leave it alone and go back to talking about ccfc and we can both agree in our views on VT .I continue my research on the middle east in my own time and space .
Mate I wish you and your family all the very best and I hope one day the entire world can be at peace.
Hope ive explained myself to you was definitely not looking to get anybodies back up im not like that at all Annis.
Sorry for any bad feeling it's very difficult to understand any of it
Mon Jul 07, 2025 7:19 pm
Forever Blue wrote:brickyblue wrote:Annis im sorry ive wound you up not my intentions what so ever .
Im just a normal person trying to make sense of it all .
I've tried to make some sense of it due to the issue being on our streets in the UK.You have family out there and im not for one minute saying im an expert in any of this and yes you are right I have read up on a lot of stuff for both sides of the coin to make sense of why the subject has so much relevance in the UK and the world .
Im not a supporter of any body and maybe it was wrong of me to enter into a debate with you.
Its obviously something thats deep in your heart for reasons personal to you .So again mate ill leave it alone and go back to talking about ccfc and we can both agree in our views on VT .I continue my research on the middle east in my own time and space .
Mate I wish you and your family all the very best and I hope one day the entire world can be at peace.
Hope ive explained myself to you was definitely not looking to get anybodies back up im not like that at all Annis.
Sorry for any bad feeling it's very difficult to understand any of it
Thank you.
I promise you if I thought Israel were in the right, I would say.
But they are Committing War Crimes Daily.
Please read al lot of these pages.
If BBC and SKY HAVE TURNED IN ISRAEL
Mon Jul 07, 2025 7:58 pm
brickyblue wrote:Forever Blue wrote:brickyblue wrote:Annis im sorry ive wound you up not my intentions what so ever .
Im just a normal person trying to make sense of it all .
I've tried to make some sense of it due to the issue being on our streets in the UK.You have family out there and im not for one minute saying im an expert in any of this and yes you are right I have read up on a lot of stuff for both sides of the coin to make sense of why the subject has so much relevance in the UK and the world .
Im not a supporter of any body and maybe it was wrong of me to enter into a debate with you.
Its obviously something thats deep in your heart for reasons personal to you .So again mate ill leave it alone and go back to talking about ccfc and we can both agree in our views on VT .I continue my research on the middle east in my own time and space .
Mate I wish you and your family all the very best and I hope one day the entire world can be at peace.
Hope ive explained myself to you was definitely not looking to get anybodies back up im not like that at all Annis.
Sorry for any bad feeling it's very difficult to understand any of it
Thank you.
I promise you if I thought Israel were in the right, I would say.
But they are Committing War Crimes Daily.
Please read al lot of these pages.
If BBC and SKY HAVE TURNED IN ISRAEL
Very difficult to understand all of it living in a Welsh village thousands of miles away Annis.
Mate id never go out to wind anyone up it's not me one bit mate if I had anything to say id do it to your face not on here .I was researching the conflict and become drawn into it from both sides and I came on the forum to look at my usual city news and saw this .Again I got drawn into it .I was only trying to make sense of it all .I'll go away and look into more of the info .
Anyway mate no hard feelings I hope and if I see you down the city I'll buy you a pint we have always been on the same wave length with VT and the identity etc Annis .
Take it easy mate