What Is The Point Of The Welsh language?

The amount of money wasted needlessly is the problem. You can help increase the number of welsh speakers without throwing large amounts of money at it. I think to encourage more people to speak Welsh we need to start teaching kids our history. Unfortunatly not many people know enough of history and if they did I feel it would give people more passion for beign welsh and wanting to learn the language.

Wales is a fairly poor country and in some parts in dire need of better education and decent jobs. Get rid of plaid cymru and the nationalists and concentrate on better living standards etc.

How much extra does it cost for all the extra paper for a small business and god knows how much for a big business.

so in your opinion we should abandon supporting welsh language get rid of it and become english? because thats what you are saying, ffs we are welsh!

But are people any less Welsh if they don't speak the language? He has a point, at the moment there are other priorities all over the U.K. I do admire the people who stand up for their beliefs on this subject, but lets be practical eh?

Yes lets be practical.

There are 600,000 people in Wales that speak Welsh either fluently or passably.

Thats 600,000 people who obviously WANT the Welsh language to thrive.

But lets kill it off because a handful of silly cunts hate it.

WELSH is not a belief. Its a living breathing language, has been for centuries.

The English couldnt kill it off, so a few bitter 'alleged' Welsh people with a chip
on their shoulders aint gonna manage.

Are people any less Welsh if they dont speak the language... NO

Are people any less Welsh if they want dream of the day when our culture is no more
and we are just 'a bit of a mountainous area' West of Bristol. f**k aye. Disgrace.

Aside from the fact that I'm Scottish, I don't for one minute think that the Welsh language should be killed off, I have stated a few times that I admire the people who defend and use the Welsh language. But I also believe that too much money gets spent on the Welsh language needlessly, that's just my opinion. I'm not convinced that every single road sign has to be dual language, I'm not convinced that a lot of official literature needs to be in both languages.

Lets face it, if you can't spot the difference between Stadium and Stadiwm, the chances are that you can't read anyway... Just an example, but in these difficult times for the economy, I think it would be more practical to tone down some of the needless (in my eyes) spending.

THE IRONY IS LAUGHABLE!!

Your username is 'scotsjack'

So even on a messageboard you want us to be aware of your roots

But yet you have the audacity to tell us in Wales not to harp on about
our own. If the word 'stadiwm' pisses you off. Go back to Scotland and
you'll never see it again.

I wouldnt DREAM of criticising the bi-lingual signs on the Whisky Trail up
in the North of Scotland. Cos its not my place.

The amount of money wasted needlessly is the problem. You can help increase the number of welsh speakers without throwing large amounts of money at it. I think to encourage more people to speak Welsh we need to start teaching kids our history. Unfortunatly not many people know enough of history and if they did I feel it would give people more passion for beign welsh and wanting to learn the language.

Problem? f**k me the Government in London sends billions every year to India and
Pakistan, yet these bitter twats can only spend hours searching for reasons to slag
off money 'wasted' on the Welsh Language.. Simples, if Wales pisses people off so
much, f**k off to England and go complain about the billions wasted on Polish, Urdu,
Farsi. Arabic bi-lingual literature

Wales is a fairly poor country and in some parts in dire need of better education and decent jobs. Get rid of plaid cymru and the nationalists and concentrate on better living standards etc.

How much extra does it cost for all the extra paper for a small business and god knows how much for a big business.

so in your opinion we should abandon supporting welsh language get rid of it and become english? because thats what you are saying, ffs we are welsh!

But are people any less Welsh if they don't speak the language? He has a point, at the moment there are other priorities all over the U.K. I do admire the people who stand up for their beliefs on this subject, but lets be practical eh?

Yes lets be practical.

There are 600,000 people in Wales that speak Welsh either fluently or passably.

Thats 600,000 people who obviously WANT the Welsh language to thrive.

But lets kill it off because a handful of silly cunts hate it.

WELSH is not a belief. Its a living breathing language, has been for centuries.

The English couldnt kill it off, so a few bitter 'alleged' Welsh people with a chip
on their shoulders aint gonna manage.

Are people any less Welsh if they dont speak the language... NO

Are people any less Welsh if they want dream of the day when our culture is no more
and we are just 'a bit of a mountainous area' West of Bristol. f**k aye. Disgrace.

Aside from the fact that I'm Scottish, I don't for one minute think that the Welsh language should be killed off, I have stated a few times that I admire the people who defend and use the Welsh language. But I also believe that too much money gets spent on the Welsh language needlessly, that's just my opinion. I'm not convinced that every single road sign has to be dual language, I'm not convinced that a lot of official literature needs to be in both languages.

Lets face it, if you can't spot the difference between Stadium and Stadiwm, the chances are that you can't read anyway... Just an example, but in these difficult times for the economy, I think it would be more practical to tone down some of the needless (in my eyes) spending.

THE IRONY IS LAUGHABLE!!

Your username is 'scotsjack'

So even on a messageboard you want us to be aware of your roots

But yet you have the audacity to tell us in Wales not to harp on about
our own. If the word 'stadiwm' pisses you off. Go back to Scotland and
you'll never see it again.

I wouldnt DREAM of criticising the bi-lingual signs on the Whisky Trail up
in the North of Scotland. Cos its not my place.

Christ chill out! Stick to that ideoligy next time you harp on about somebody elses buisness He's giving a fair response which many feel and its always a good thing to get an unbaised opinion. Its a messageboard people are allowed to have an opinion even if you dont agree

When I was a kid I went to a welsh speaking school even though my parents did not speak the language. I am grateful and proud to be able to speak my country's language. The thing that grinds me about the welsh language is the people that speak welsh as their first language are very clicky and from my experiences rude. There were many instances when I was a kid outside school where welsh speaking parents would speak welsh in a group of english speaking parents knowing full well they don't speak the language. They seem to think they have an air of superiority about them. You know those BBC/S4C type of wankers I'm talking about!!

I am glad that I've learned the language and it has helped with learning other languages such as french, however there's always that part of me that wishes I spoke spanish fluently rather than welsh. The reason for this is spanish is used all over the world and apart from Patagonia, Wales is the only place I can use welsh. I can earn better money by working away from Wales, so as much as I'm proud to be fluent in Welsh, I would swap it in a second for spanish!

The amount of money wasted needlessly is the problem. You can help increase the number of welsh speakers without throwing large amounts of money at it. I think to encourage more people to speak Welsh we need to start teaching kids our history. Unfortunatly not many people know enough of history and if they did I feel it would give people more passion for beign welsh and wanting to learn the language.

Problem? f**k me the Government in London sends billions every year to India and
Pakistan, yet these bitter twats can only spend hours searching for reasons to slag
off money 'wasted' on the Welsh Language.. Simples, if Wales pisses people off so
much, f**k off to England and go complain about the billions wasted on Polish, Urdu,
Farsi. Arabic bi-lingual literature

I'm allowed to criticise it purely because theres more important problems facing Wales at the moment rather than spending money on translating documents where the large majority of wales can read perfectly fine in English. If people want it in Welsh they can request it same as the other languages. As I said there are many ways to help motivate people to learn the language without wasting needless money.

The amount of money wasted needlessly is the problem. You can help increase the number of welsh speakers without throwing large amounts of money at it. I think to encourage more people to speak Welsh we need to start teaching kids our history. Unfortunatly not many people know enough of history and if they did I feel it would give people more passion for beign welsh and wanting to learn the language.

Problem? f**k me the Government in London sends billions every year to India and
Pakistan, yet these bitter twats can only spend hours searching for reasons to slag
off money 'wasted' on the Welsh Language.. Simples, if Wales pisses people off so
much, f**k off to England and go complain about the billions wasted on Polish, Urdu,
Farsi. Arabic bi-lingual literature

I can only see one bitter ranter on here and thats you, and before you give it the big one dont bother

The amount of money wasted needlessly is the problem. You can help increase the number of welsh speakers without throwing large amounts of money at it. I think to encourage more people to speak Welsh we need to start teaching kids our history. Unfortunatly not many people know enough of history and if they did I feel it would give people more passion for beign welsh and wanting to learn the language.

Problem? f**k me the Government in London sends billions every year to India and
Pakistan, yet these bitter twats can only spend hours searching for reasons to slag
off money 'wasted' on the Welsh Language.. Simples, if Wales pisses people off so
much, f**k off to England and go complain about the billions wasted on Polish, Urdu,
Farsi. Arabic bi-lingual literature

I'm allowed to criticise it purely because theres more important problems facing Wales at the moment rather than spending money on translating documents where the large majority of wales can read perfectly fine in English. If people want it in Welsh they can request it same as the other languages. As I said there are many ways to help motivate people to learn the language without wasting needless money.

I agree money is wasted needlessly on literature nobody ever reads. But the Assembly government
and London waste far more money on far dafter things than that.

I'm done with this thread anyway.

Dead language my arse

It'll be here long after all of us are long gone. So my advice, if people dont like
it... go live in England... and learn Pashtu.

THE IRONY IS LAUGHABLE!!

Your username is 'scotsjack'

So even on a messageboard you want us to be aware of your roots

But yet you have the audacity to tell us in Wales not to harp on about
our own. If the word 'stadiwm' pisses you off. Go back to Scotland and
you'll never see it again.

I wouldnt DREAM of criticising the bi-lingual signs on the Whisky Trail up
in the North of Scotland. Cos its not my place.

Okay, rewind a minute, I have lived in Wales for over 30 years since I was very young, my son is Welsh and very proud of the fact. I'm just expressing my opinion on a matter, and I stand by it, at this moment in time there are far more important issues in Wales that need addressing. In fact, with over 600,000 Welsh speakers (around 20% of the population) I would say that puts the Welsh language in fairly good health.

With that in mind, I would prioritise other things in Wales that need addressing more urgently rather than throw money at bi-lingualism, for the time being. As for the bi-lingual signs in Scotland, they are even more pointless... Again, just my opinion.

The amount of money wasted needlessly is the problem. You can help increase the number of welsh speakers without throwing large amounts of money at it. I think to encourage more people to speak Welsh we need to start teaching kids our history. Unfortunatly not many people know enough of history and if they did I feel it would give people more passion for beign welsh and wanting to learn the language.

Problem? f**k me the Government in London sends billions every year to India and
Pakistan, yet these bitter twats can only spend hours searching for reasons to slag
off money 'wasted' on the Welsh Language.. Simples, if Wales pisses people off so
much, f**k off to England and go complain about the billions wasted on Polish, Urdu,
Farsi. Arabic bi-lingual literature

I'm allowed to criticise it purely because theres more important problems facing Wales at the moment rather than spending money on translating documents where the large majority of wales can read perfectly fine in English. If people want it in Welsh they can request it same as the other languages. As I said there are many ways to help motivate people to learn the language without wasting needless money.

I agree money is wasted needlessly on literature nobody ever reads. But the Assembly government
and London waste far more money on far dafter things than that.

I'm done with this thread anyway.

Dead language my arse

It'll be here long after all of us are long gone. So my advice, if people dont like
it... go live in England... and learn Pashtu.

Yes and I will happily criticise that just as I am with this. I have never said it was a dead language and I'm with everyone else that it needs to be encouraged but the bias and the overwhelming push from the goverment is too much and not needed

The amount of money wasted needlessly is the problem. You can help increase the number of welsh speakers without throwing large amounts of money at it. I think to encourage more people to speak Welsh we need to start teaching kids our history. Unfortunatly not many people know enough of history and if they did I feel it would give people more passion for beign welsh and wanting to learn the language.

Problem? f**k me the Government in London sends billions every year to India and
Pakistan, yet these bitter twats can only spend hours searching for reasons to slag
off money 'wasted' on the Welsh Language.. Simples, if Wales pisses people off so
much, f**k off to England and go complain about the billions wasted on Polish, Urdu,
Farsi. Arabic bi-lingual literature

I can only see one bitter ranter on here and thats you, and before you give it the big one dont bother

No need. You called it a dead language.

It isn't

It will die because there will come a time where it will have no where to go, it can never expand outside wales and Wales will never be a big international country.

There will never come a time where you are reading a national newspaper in Welsh or have more than 1 tv channel dedicated to it

in fact the waste of money s4c has had to put more content on English subtitle

The amount of money wasted needlessly is the problem. You can help increase the number of welsh speakers without throwing large amounts of money at it. I think to encourage more people to speak Welsh we need to start teaching kids our history. Unfortunatly not many people know enough of history and if they did I feel it would give people more passion for beign welsh and wanting to learn the language.

Problem? f**k me the Government in London sends billions every year to India and
Pakistan, yet these bitter twats can only spend hours searching for reasons to slag
off money 'wasted' on the Welsh Language.. Simples, if Wales pisses people off so
much, f**k off to England and go complain about the billions wasted on Polish, Urdu,
Farsi. Arabic bi-lingual literature

I'm allowed to criticise it purely because theres more important problems facing Wales at the moment rather than spending money on translating documents where the large majority of wales can read perfectly fine in English. If people want it in Welsh they can request it same as the other languages. As I said there are many ways to help motivate people to learn the language without wasting needless money.

I agree money is wasted needlessly on literature nobody ever reads. But the Assembly government
and London waste far more money on far dafter things than that.

I'm done with this thread anyway.

Dead language my arse

It'll be here long after all of us are long gone. So my advice, if people dont like
it... go live in England... and learn Pashtu.

Agree taffyapple

Some people on here need to get out and go visit some of the cities in England & see for themselves the millions the public services/bodies spend on translation services etc for our new residents & its far greater than the Welsh Goverment spend on our own language.

You cannot blame the Welsh language for the lack of jobs, blame the english they have robbed & pillaged Wales for many years eg coal & took all the profits to england without re-investing in Wales.

It will die because there will come a time where it will have no where to go, it can never expand outside wales and Wales will never be a big international country.

There will never come a time where you are reading a national newspaper in Welsh or have more than 1 tv channel dedicated to it

in fact the waste of money s4c has had to put more content on English subtitle

ok waste of money! so why not get rid of worst waste of money in history! the welsh assembly, its costing more and more every year lets get rid of it go back to being reliant on westminster, along with no welsh language as you want, we may as well drop wales as a country, because we wont be anything without either!

It will die because there will come a time where it will have no where to go, it can never expand outside wales and Wales will never be a big international country.

There will never come a time where you are reading a national newspaper in Welsh or have more than 1 tv channel dedicated to it

in fact the waste of money s4c has had to put more content on English subtitle

these are the facts. the rate the Welsh Language is growing, by the turn of the next
century, one in three people will be speaking the language either in school or in the
home, or will at the very least be relatively comfortable using the language. Thats
how fast its growing. The emphasis on Welsh in schools is part of the reason many from
other cultures dont come here, because its harder for their 'pressure groups' to force
Urdu, Pashtu, Polish, Arabic etc etc on our Education Authorities. So the people who
now come to Wales to settle, do so knowing full well that their children will be learning
a basic grasp of their host nations original language, they seem happy enough. People like that are welcome.

But its simple. If they dont like the language and have no respect for our culture... go to
England. They dont have any Welsh road signs there. And they dont sing that backward
dead language "Hen Wlad Fy Nghadau" there either. God Save the Queen is the winner there
and its in English

It will die because there will come a time where it will have no where to go, it can never expand outside wales and Wales will never be a big international country.

There will never come a time where you are reading a national newspaper in Welsh or have more than 1 tv channel dedicated to it

in fact the waste of money s4c has had to put more content on English subtitle

these are the facts. the rate the Welsh Language is growing, by the turn of the next
century, one in three people will be speaking the language either in school or in the
home, or will at the very least be relatively comfortable using the language. Thats
how fast its growing. The emphasis on Welsh in schools is part of the reason many from
other cultures dont come here, because its harder for their 'pressure groups' to force
Urdu, Pashtu, Polish, Arabic etc etc on our Education Authorities. So the people who
now come to Wales to settle, do so knowing full well that their children will be learning
a basic grasp of their host nations original language, they seem happy enough. People like that are welcome.

But its simple. If they dont like the language and have no respect for our culture... go to
England. They dont have any Welsh road signs there. And they dont sing that backward
dead language "Hen Wlad Fy Nghadau" there either. God Save the Queen is the winner there
and its in English

taffy i think hes another RM hes saying same things over and over despite good arguements why we need our own language, always oposite view !

Its like talking to a religous nut job, you have made your mind up because you believe everything Welsh is the Welsh language. You crack on with it and i will crack on without it.

Cheers

I really resent the fact that my son has to be taught Welsh in High School. If we had a choice then he most certainly would not have Welsh lessons as it has no value to him at all when he leaves school. All it is doing is taking up lessons where he could be learning something that would benefit him. If you want to take Welsh in school then fair enough, make it available to those who want it, but please don't force it down our throats. Personally I would prefer that he was taught Welsh History instead of Welsh but unfortunately there are still too many Welsh speaking crackpots in the National Assembly.

I really resent the fact that my son has to be taught Welsh in High School. If we had a choice then he most certainly would not have Welsh lessons as it has no value to him at all when he leaves school. All it is doing is taking up lessons where he could be learning something that would benefit him. If you want to take Welsh in school then fair enough, make it available to those who want it, but please don't force it down our throats. Personally I would prefer that he was taught Welsh History instead of Welsh but unfortunately there are still too many Welsh speaking crackpots in the National Assembly.

if we all had your view welsh language would be gone, and in 10 years time. children wouldnt know any thing about welsh, apart from you view, st david, the welsh language must be kept alive. this is our history etc.

I really resent the fact that my son has to be taught Welsh in High School. If we had a choice then he most certainly would not have Welsh lessons as it has no value to him at all when he leaves school. All it is doing is taking up lessons where he could be learning something that would benefit him. If you want to take Welsh in school then fair enough, make it available to those who want it, but please don't force it down our throats. Personally I would prefer that he was taught Welsh History instead of Welsh but unfortunately there are still too many Welsh speaking crackpots in the National Assembly.

if we all had your view welsh language would be gone, and in 10 years time. children wouldnt know any thing about welsh, apart from you view, st david, the welsh language must be kept alive. this is our history etc.

Yeah they would in history class.

I really resent the fact that my son has to be taught Welsh in High School. If we had a choice then he most certainly would not have Welsh lessons as it has no value to him at all when he leaves school. All it is doing is taking up lessons where he could be learning something that would benefit him. If you want to take Welsh in school then fair enough, make it available to those who want it, but please don't force it down our throats. Personally I would prefer that he was taught Welsh History instead of Welsh but unfortunately there are still too many Welsh speaking crackpots in the National Assembly.

If you dont like it, then thats a choice thing. Like Maths/English. Some kids are shite at
it and one or the other may be a waste of time for them.

If you really resent it??

Move

No Welsh language whatsoever in England, Scotland or Ireland

I really resent the fact that my son has to be taught Welsh in High School. If we had a choice then he most certainly would not have Welsh lessons as it has no value to him at all when he leaves school. All it is doing is taking up lessons where he could be learning something that would benefit him. If you want to take Welsh in school then fair enough, make it available to those who want it, but please don't force it down our throats. Personally I would prefer that he was taught Welsh History instead of Welsh but unfortunately there are still too many Welsh speaking crackpots in the National Assembly.

If you dont like it, then thats a choice thing. Like Maths/English. Some kids are shite at
it and one or the other may be a waste of time for them.

If you really resent it??

Move

No Welsh language whatsoever in England, Scotland or Ireland

Theres a massive difference between being taught Maths and English which are essential in life than learning Welsh

I really resent the fact that my son has to be taught Welsh in High School. If we had a choice then he most certainly would not have Welsh lessons as it has no value to him at all when he leaves school. All it is doing is taking up lessons where he could be learning something that would benefit him. If you want to take Welsh in school then fair enough, make it available to those who want it, but please don't force it down our throats. Personally I would prefer that he was taught Welsh History instead of Welsh but unfortunately there are still too many Welsh speaking crackpots in the National Assembly.

if we all had your view welsh language would be gone, and in 10 years time. children wouldnt know any thing about welsh, apart from you view, st david, the welsh language must be kept alive. this is our history etc.

Yeah they would in history class.

exactly HISTORY. keep wales welsh

The language is the greatest part of our heritage! It has been kept alive so much more than the other Celtic languages and is growing and growing! I wasnt brought up speaking Welsh but I am now studying it for A level and will also be studying it at Uni. Be proud of our language! It defines us as a nation! As Dafydd Iwan's Yma O Hyd says, " Bydd yr iaith Gymraeg yn fyw!"

This thread should have been called "What Is The Point Of This Shit OP?".

IT is a stupid o/p.

Shot down immediately on the 'dying language' theme.

But the bitter non-Welsh speakers seem to focus on this 'we're better than you' attitude
that Welsh speakers apparently have? Do f**k off.

There is a clique in Cardiff of West/North Walian Welsh speakers who think they are a cut
above. Media darlings journo's and small time political wannabes. I've bumped into them

"Oh doesnt ANYBODY speak Welsh around here" (said with dramatic effect)

"I do c**t face" says me. Where you from? Bangor? and you think your royalty? Do one you muppet!"

See, these twats are no different from your other media type people in Wales, the Non-Welsh speakers,
they STILL waltz around with airs and graces until you pull the fuckers up.

Me? I couldnt give a flying f**k if a lad speaks Welsh or not. No drama. The best people I've met in Wales
have been from Cardiff and the surrounding areas, and pretty much none of them speak Welsh, but are
proud Welshmen. I sometimes get wound up at the ignorance of some who say "waste of time" and "let it
die"...... because for some reason, they dont seem to have clicked... without the Welsh language, Wales
would NOT be a country today. So you cannot say "thanks for that, you've done your job now die!!

Anybody who despises the Welsh National Anthem and says it is embarrassing
and a waste of time... I'll hold my hands up and say "I admire your conviction"

But my suspicion is, for that minute or so of passion... the vast majority of non-Welsh speakers
who didnt bother to learn the words.. wished they had!!!

I really resent the fact that my son has to be taught Welsh in High School. If we had a choice then he most certainly would not have Welsh lessons as it has no value to him at all when he leaves school. All it is doing is taking up lessons where he could be learning something that would benefit him. If you want to take Welsh in school then fair enough, make it available to those who want it, but please don't force it down our throats. Personally I would prefer that he was taught Welsh History instead of Welsh but unfortunately there are still too many Welsh speaking crackpots in the National Assembly.

If you dont like it, then thats a choice thing. Like Maths/English. Some kids are shite at
it and one or the other may be a waste of time for them.

If you really resent it??

Move

No Welsh language whatsoever in England, Scotland or Ireland

The difference is that Maths & English is a necessity in life and without them we'd end up....like you. I took Welsh in school and passed O Level (as it was then) but it is a useless certificate. I have had no need to speak or read Welsh and it was a total and utter waste of time learning it. It should be a choice not forced upon you. I would much rather have those lessons free to take another subject that has some meaning in real life.

By the way most of the Welsh speakers I've met from North & West Wales have been ignorant c*nts who ignore you if you speak English, have a huge chip on their shoulder and pretty much live in the dark ages. I am just glad that at least I live in Cardiff and don't have to put up with those twats every day.

I really resent the fact that my son has to be taught Welsh in High School. If we had a choice then he most certainly would not have Welsh lessons as it has no value to him at all when he leaves school. All it is doing is taking up lessons where he could be learning something that would benefit him. If you want to take Welsh in school then fair enough, make it available to those who want it, but please don't force it down our throats. Personally I would prefer that he was taught Welsh History instead of Welsh but unfortunately there are still too many Welsh speaking crackpots in the National Assembly.

If you dont like it, then thats a choice thing. Like Maths/English. Some kids are shite at
it and one or the other may be a waste of time for them.

If you really resent it??

Move

It should be a choice not forced upon you. I would much rather have those lessons free to take another subject that has some meaning in real life.

.

Good point that

I really resent the fact that my son has to be taught Welsh in High School. If we had a choice then he most certainly would not have Welsh lessons as it has no value to him at all when he leaves school. All it is doing is taking up lessons where he could be learning something that would benefit him. If you want to take Welsh in school then fair enough, make it available to those who want it, but please don't force it down our throats. Personally I would prefer that he was taught Welsh History instead of Welsh but unfortunately there are still too many Welsh speaking crackpots in the National Assembly.

If you dont like it, then thats a choice thing. Like Maths/English. Some kids are shite at
it and one or the other may be a waste of time for them.

If you really resent it??

Move

No Welsh language whatsoever in England, Scotland or Ireland

The difference is that Maths & English is a necessity in life and without them we'd end up....like you. I took Welsh in school and passed O Level (as it was then) but it is a useless certificate. I have had no need to speak or read Welsh and it was a total and utter waste of time learning it. It should be a choice not forced upon you. I would much rather have those lessons free to take another subject that has some meaning in real life.

By the way most of the Welsh speakers I've met from North & West Wales have been ignorant c*nts who ignore you if you speak English, have a huge chip on their shoulder and pretty much live in the dark ages. I am just glad that at least I live in Cardiff and don't have to put up with those twats every day.

Like me eh? Suggesting i'm thick

The English banned Welsh from being spoken or written in schools back at the turn of
the last century.

The Welsh overturned it.

However, it does not take the place of ANY other subject, and can be dropped once a child
chooses their options in year whatever it is. So it does NOT hinder any subject a child might
want to learn. German? Spanish? most of these languages are available as OPTIONS too.
I think you just seethe at the idea of your children being taught Welsh. I cant help you there.

Best bet if somebody wants a non-Welsh life is to erm.... live somewhere else. Because a
handful of bitter people aint gonna turn back the slow tide of Welsh growth.

As for wasting money on bi-lingual literature. Agreed. Welsh almost died as a written form
and there are that many different versions from local authority's as to what word translates
into this or that.. it makes a nonsense of most public forms.

Most Welsh speaking people you've met have ignored you have they? How unlucky is that?

Or does it just look better for your post

They say you shouldn't tar everyone with the same brush but then I can only base my opinions on the people I have met. I have met Welsh speakers whilst out and about and I have worked with Welsh speakers from both North and West Wales. Almost without exception they treat non Welsh speakers with contempt. It felt as if they were looking down on us like second class citizens. Other people I know who go to these areas feel the same. It's like the land that time forgot and if you don't speak their lingo then they don't even want to acknowledge you exist. I have plenty of time for Welsh History but for Welsh speakers none at all.

By the way, Welsh is a core subject all the way up to GCSE's so it is taking up lessons that could be used for something meaningful. Believe it or not RE is another core subject whether you are religious or not....another waste of time. Maybe this is why other European country's education is better than ours.