Swansea fan (mate of mine) never going to watch them again

Then your another with these faux claims. Not only MUST he be a jack army member but he also MUST have had sufficient points in order to buy them.

No getting around it sorry.

Here he goes, how do you know this being a Cardiff fan? I'm surprised you didn't respond earlier.

he has neither, no interest in swansea.took his son as a treat.

Corporate? Mate of a mate? Black market? all possible
Direct from the club ticket office without being a member? Impossible

Then your another with these faux claims. Not only MUST he be a jack army member but he also MUST have had sufficient points in order to buy them.

No getting around it sorry.

Here he goes, how do you know this being a Cardiff fan? I'm surprised you didn't respond earlier.

Because I looked on their website to check out similar claims in the past.

Tickets can only be bought online, and you need to be a member and have the sufficient points - pretty simple really.

Didnt feel I needed to get involved earlier, I thought people stood up for themselves well. I am here to add realism and fairness to made up lies in order to not allow ccfc fans all to be tarred with the same brush.

extra space at the lower of the away end for segregation resulted in a crowd of 250 less than Liverpool, although it meant that we sold more tickets for home fans against WBA than we did against liverfool. I have no idea why you lot find it so difficult to understand we have sold out EVERY game in the PL.

If your stadium was built on pre cup final crowds and pre championship crowds it would have been 20,000 tops. Unless a cup game against Leeds was used?

Because you haven't and your last game proves it. If there was such demand for tickets then those extra seats made available would have been snapped up instantly. Many jacks claim there is a waiting list for seasons tickets, so I can't see how they weren't sold. As I have said, they are based on memberships and attendances over a given period, then building a stadium based on potential fans. We have over 50,000 members and this may seem bollucks to you but you ask any new Cardiff fan or a new member what his or her fan number is and it will be around the 50,000 mark, maybe higher. Now being an ambitious club, a stadium had to be built for a potential fan base of around that number. 27,000 for this stage, going to 35,000 and perhaps even higher if successful.

Can you read?
Maybe if I use BIG LETTERS. OUR LAST GAME SOLD OUT. WBA sold HALF of what Liverpool sold, we had to have a bigger segregation and yet the crowd was only 250 less DUE TO SEGREGATION. HOME TICKETS SOLD OUT.
So 50,000+ members and yet you couldnt sell out a championship play off home leg.

about 250k on data base! why do you keep boasting sell outs because at end day however you slice it you still get smaller crowds!! and yes got you smaller stadium so you are by definition a smaller club so try another fact to get your point across!

Fickle fans mate, you should know all about that. We've been there all before, i can make excuses all day long but people didn't turn up for whatever reason. Perhaps the annoyance of messing up a campaign that saw us in the autos for 3/4 of the season. So basically my friend is lying about home tickets being available? Haha.

extra space at the lower of the away end for segregation resulted in a crowd of 250 less than Liverpool, although it meant that we sold more tickets for home fans against WBA than we did against liverfool. I have no idea why you lot find it so difficult to understand we have sold out EVERY game in the PL.

If your stadium was built on pre cup final crowds and pre championship crowds it would have been 20,000 tops. Unless a cup game against Leeds was used?

Because you haven't and your last game proves it. If there was such demand for tickets then those extra seats made available would have been snapped up instantly. Many jacks claim there is a waiting list for seasons tickets, so I can't see how they weren't sold. As I have said, they are based on memberships and attendances over a given period, then building a stadium based on potential fans. We have over 50,000 members and this may seem bollucks to you but you ask any new Cardiff fan or a new member what his or her fan number is and it will be around the 50,000 mark, maybe higher. Now being an ambitious club, a stadium had to be built for a potential fan base of around that number. 27,000 for this stage, going to 35,000 and perhaps even higher if successful.

Can you read?
Maybe if I use BIG LETTERS. OUR LAST GAME SOLD OUT. WBA sold HALF of what Liverpool sold, we had to have a bigger segregation and yet the crowd was only 250 less DUE TO SEGREGATION. HOME TICKETS SOLD OUT.
So 50,000+ members and yet you couldnt sell out a championship play off home leg.

about 250k on data base! why do you keep boasting sell outs because at end day however you slice it you still get smaller crowds!! and yes got you smaller stadium so you are by definition a smaller club so try another fact to get your point across!

Fickle fans mate, you should know all about that. We've been there all before, i can make excuses all day long but people didn't turn up for whatever reason. Perhaps the annoyance of messing up a campaign that saw us in the autos for 3/4 of the season. So basically my friend is lying about home tickets being available? Haha.

Newcastle get bigger attendances than Liverpool, which is due to their stadium restraints.

As for 250k on database... What database is this then?

extra space at the lower of the away end for segregation resulted in a crowd of 250 less than Liverpool, although it meant that we sold more tickets for home fans against WBA than we did against liverfool. I have no idea why you lot find it so difficult to understand we have sold out EVERY game in the PL.

If your stadium was built on pre cup final crowds and pre championship crowds it would have been 20,000 tops. Unless a cup game against Leeds was used?

Because you haven't and your last game proves it. If there was such demand for tickets then those extra seats made available would have been snapped up instantly. Many jacks claim there is a waiting list for seasons tickets, so I can't see how they weren't sold. As I have said, they are based on memberships and attendances over a given period, then building a stadium based on potential fans. We have over 50,000 members and this may seem bollucks to you but you ask any new Cardiff fan or a new member what his or her fan number is and it will be around the 50,000 mark, maybe higher. Now being an ambitious club, a stadium had to be built for a potential fan base of around that number. 27,000 for this stage, going to 35,000 and perhaps even higher if successful.

Can you read?
Maybe if I use BIG LETTERS. OUR LAST GAME SOLD OUT. WBA sold HALF of what Liverpool sold, we had to have a bigger segregation and yet the crowd was only 250 less DUE TO SEGREGATION. HOME TICKETS SOLD OUT.
So 50,000+ members and yet you couldnt sell out a championship play off home leg.

about 250k on data base! why do you keep boasting sell outs because at end day however you slice it you still get smaller crowds!! and yes got you smaller stadium so you are by definition a smaller club so try another fact to get your point across!

Fickle fans mate, you should know all about that. We've been there all before, i can make excuses all day long but people didn't turn up for whatever reason. Perhaps the annoyance of messing up a campaign that saw us in the autos for 3/4 of the season. So basically my friend is lying about home tickets being available? Haha.

So Dave Jones is now at a bigger club then, since he left you.? Yes of course he is. Would you swap places with Wednesday. Bigger club, stadium, gates? Course you wouldnt.

extra space at the lower of the away end for segregation resulted in a crowd of 250 less than Liverpool, although it meant that we sold more tickets for home fans against WBA than we did against liverfool. I have no idea why you lot find it so difficult to understand we have sold out EVERY game in the PL.

If your stadium was built on pre cup final crowds and pre championship crowds it would have been 20,000 tops. Unless a cup game against Leeds was used?

Because you haven't and your last game proves it. If there was such demand for tickets then those extra seats made available would have been snapped up instantly. Many jacks claim there is a waiting list for seasons tickets, so I can't see how they weren't sold. As I have said, they are based on memberships and attendances over a given period, then building a stadium based on potential fans. We have over 50,000 members and this may seem bollucks to you but you ask any new Cardiff fan or a new member what his or her fan number is and it will be around the 50,000 mark, maybe higher. Now being an ambitious club, a stadium had to be built for a potential fan base of around that number. 27,000 for this stage, going to 35,000 and perhaps even higher if successful.

Can you read?
Maybe if I use BIG LETTERS. OUR LAST GAME SOLD OUT. WBA sold HALF of what Liverpool sold, we had to have a bigger segregation and yet the crowd was only 250 less DUE TO SEGREGATION. HOME TICKETS SOLD OUT.
So 50,000+ members and yet you couldnt sell out a championship play off home leg.

about 250k on data base! why do you keep boasting sell outs because at end day however you slice it you still get smaller crowds!! and yes got you smaller stadium so you are by definition a smaller club so try another fact to get your point across!

Fickle fans mate, you should know all about that. We've been there all before, i can make excuses all day long but people didn't turn up for whatever reason. Perhaps the annoyance of messing up a campaign that saw us in the autos for 3/4 of the season. So basically my friend is lying about home tickets being available? Haha.

Newcastle get bigger attendances than Liverpool, which is due to their stadium restraints.

As for 250k on database... What database is this then?

as far as aware its everyone who has bought ticket to see city since scheme was introduced they use it when need to allocate tickets like cup finals last to get allocation, same for big away games sure someone will correct me but its what i understand!
and i make point of stadium as they keep saying they sell out but eg. 1k stadium with 1k crowd is sell out so its immaterial really what they say!

I'm sceptical of this figure, or at least it's relevance. It clearly has no baring on who shows up as we only get 21k and can't sell out important play off matches.

I also agree "sell out" is another term which doesn't have much relevance when looking at how many fans a team has. Although what is clear is that they sell out their 20,700 odd tickets within a day or two of release week in week out. They have a capacity issue which they are now planning to resolve.

This attendance issue is so boring, it really is.

I'm sceptical of this figure, or at least it's relevance. It clearly has no baring on who shows up as we only get 21k and can't sell out important play off matches.

I also agree "sell out" is another term which doesn't have much relevance when looking at how many fans a team has. Although what is clear is that they sell out their 20,700 odd tickets within a day or two of release week in week out. They have a capacity issue which they are now planning to resolve.

This attendance issue is so boring, it really is.

at least agree there, as is bigger club arguement ! so if we had stadium of 21k that means we will sell out every game!! strange isnt it!!! anyway not going there as is boreing and been done to death !

although this 'mate' might well be fictitious (and sounds pretty plastic himself if he's willing to give up going that easy!) it is definitely the case that we get a handful of fans supporting the away team in our end when we play a 'big' club. i was sat next to a man u fan last year when we played them so it definitely does happen! i got offered 150 quid for my ticket that day - that was half the cost of my whole season ticket! so unfortunately i can also see why some people do it.

and if you get promoted it will happen to you aswell i'm afraid. am i not right in thinking you guys had a few liverpool fans in your end for the leage cup final?

and as for the attendances thing, who cares? its not like theres a massive gulf between the two sides whichever way you look at it

How can you brag about selling out under 20,000? It ent hard. We pull 20,000 and we are in a lower league than you. Says a lot.

It's like fcuking groundhog day on here on times.

You keep coming back though don't you? Perhaps you should break the cycle and go away?

Or perhaps you lot should come up with some sort of credible argument.

Although that appears unlikely.

It is a credible argument. We beat your attendances, despite being in the league below you & despite a controversial rebranding scheme which has alienated fans.

We have more ST holders than you and have consistently had bigger attendances than you(except one season when you had a new stadium) , especially when in the same division.

Do I really need to point out, that in the SAME division, during YOUR promotion season, CCFC had 8,000 average more fans than you?

Infact, some games you only got 11k... You only ever sold out one game a season (guess who that was ) & yet you say your support isn't plastic?

Sheffield Wednesday have bigger crowds, ground, and have won more trophies than you so Dave Jones must be delighted he isnt still your Manager and top of the league.

Our ground was planned when we were in league two, yours after a FA cup final and years of Championship football, yours is a few thousand bigger but to be honest I would rather watch Pablo Hernandez, sit 8th in PL, be owned by fans and make 14m profit. Oh and have one of the worlds biggest names as our manager.
Got to be honest lads I don't lose much sleep over attendances after all we have sold every seat since we got promoted so at present we cant do much more. As someone with a season everybody around me has been there since the stadium was built, so if there is the odd plastic then they haven't crossed my path, and if people honestly think Liverpool fans in S Wales would pay £450 for a season tkt to see one game then I'm sorry you need help.
Anyway you lot are looking very strong in a poor division, is it me or is the championship getting worse each year?

Ours was actually planned a lot earlier, by Sam Hammam. It took years to come to fruition.

The step in class between Prem & Champ is getting smaller, look at the dross in the bottom of the premiership this season.

Financialadvisor,I am not a liar.they did have tickets how I don't care.unlike you I have no interest in the jacks

Financialadvisor,I am not a liar.they did have tickets how I don't care.unlike you I have no interest in the jacks

Same with the people I know. They were getting 12k so there's 8k there who weren't there regularly during the lower league years, so there were tickets available, he's just talking out of his arse.

why are swans fans so high &mighty just because they got promoted! ffs they think all teams below them are crap and smaller than them! just look at jackf comments laudrup famous? yes when he played 20yrs ago! champ teams can beat half premier inc swans, crowds better than some in prem, and when players leave swans they were rubbish (sinclaire ect) but when manager leaves its to better himself!! ffs why not admit they are small club and people move to bigger better clubs! anyway who cares on here (except f,adviser) all they can boast about is they are premier club what will they say if we get there?? back to being secondteam in wales again!!!

although this 'mate' might well be fictitious (and sounds pretty plastic himself if he's willing to give up going that easy!) it is definitely the case that we get a handful of fans supporting the away team in our end when we play a 'big' club. i was sat next to a man u fan last year when we played them so it definitely does happen! i got offered 150 quid for my ticket that day - that was half the cost of my whole season ticket! so unfortunately i can also see why some people do it.

and if you get promoted it will happen to you aswell i'm afraid. am i not right in thinking you guys had a few liverpool fans in your end for the leage cup final?

and as for the attendances thing, who cares? its not like theres a massive gulf between the two sides whichever way you look at it

it does happen my work mate supports chelski he went to swans not in away end either so how did he get ticket? it will always happen! to us as well. in way swans suffer from second club syndrome except past 2yrs even then we have as much exposure as they do! always under our shadow and they cannot deny it (but they will) so not worth effort argueing with them now!as so seperior so they think they are blind!!

Financialadvisor,I am not a liar.they did have tickets how I don't care.unlike you I have no interest in the jacks

Same with the people I know. They were getting 12k so there's 8k there who weren't there regularly during the lower league years, so there were tickets available, he's just talking out of his arse.

So when we get 22k crowds at the ccs are you saying 10k of them are plastic because we only got 12k a few years go?

Financialadvisor,I am not a liar.they did have tickets how I don't care.unlike you I have no interest in the jacks

Same with the people I know. They were getting 12k so there's 8k there who weren't there regularly during the lower league years, so there were tickets available, he's just talking out of his arse.

So when we get 22k crowds at the ccs are you saying 10k of them are plastic because we only got 12k a few years go?

I used that as an example to show there were spare tickets available, where did the word plastic come into it?

Sit down and shut up.

The step in class between Prem & Champ is getting smaller, look at the dross in the bottom of the premiership this season.

18th - Southampton - finished 1pt behind champions reading last season
19th - Reading - up as Champions
20th - QPR - up as champions after taking the league by storm


This suggests to me the gulf between the prem and the championship is as massive as ever.

The step in class between Prem & Champ is getting smaller, look at the dross in the bottom of the premiership this season.

18th - Southampton - finished 1pt behind champions reading last season
19th - Reading - up as Champions
20th - QPR - up as champions after taking the league by storm


This suggests to me the gulf between the prem and the championship is as massive as ever.

Okay instead of looking at one or two clubs take them ALL into account.

You make a habit of missing out key data to make your point more valid don't you?

If you were doing a fair test, you'd include: -

West Ham
Norwich
Swansea

Financialadvisor,I am not a liar.they did have tickets how I don't care.unlike you I have no interest in the jacks

Same with the people I know. They were getting 12k so there's 8k there who weren't there regularly during the lower league years, so there were tickets available, he's just talking out of his arse.

So when we get 22k crowds at the ccs are you saying 10k of them are plastic because we only got 12k a few years go?

I used that as an example to show there were spare tickets available, where did the word plastic come into it?

Sit down and shut up.

In their promotion season they averaged 16,211. Their capacity is 20,700, meaning 4,500 tickets spare. 2,000 of those are now allocated for away fans making it around the 18,000 mark.

2,700 seats are now regularly taken up by fans that weren't there In The championship. 2000 of those were taken up towards the end of the promotion winning season by new season ticket holders, leaving around 700 tickets for jack army members.

If there are plastics in the ground they either know a jack army member and asks to be his allocated 2nd ticket or watched enough swans matches to get a season ticket.

Don't need to be Sherlock.

The step in class between Prem & Champ is getting smaller, look at the dross in the bottom of the premiership this season.

18th - Southampton - finished 1pt behind champions reading last season
19th - Reading - up as Champions
20th - QPR - up as champions after taking the league by storm


This suggests to me the gulf between the prem and the championship is as massive as ever.

Okay instead of looking at one or two clubs take them ALL into account.

You make a habit of missing out key data to make your point more valid don't you?

If you were doing a fair test, you'd include: -

West Ham
Norwich
Swansea

One or two? That's three you twonk

You told me to look at the bottom of the prem, they are the bottom 3 teams.

West ham are now in the top 10 after dicking us 5-0 on aggregate, Swansea are 8th after finishing 11th last year and Norwich are 13th after an excellent season last year.

This is all pointing toward the gulf increasing not decreasing. The teams that tore up the league last year and the year before are all struggling to win a game between them.

Just admit you are wrong and log off FFs

Financialadvisor,I am not a liar.they did have tickets how I don't care.unlike you I have no interest in the jacks

Same with the people I know. They were getting 12k so there's 8k there who weren't there regularly during the lower league years, so there were tickets available, he's just talking out of his arse.

So when we get 22k crowds at the ccs are you saying 10k of them are plastic because we only got 12k a few years go?

I used that as an example to show there were spare tickets available, where did the word plastic come into it?

Sit down and shut up.

In their promotion season they averaged 16,211. Their capacity is 20,700, meaning 4,500 tickets spare. 2,000 of those are now allocated for away fans making it around the 18,000 mark.

2,700 seats are now regularly taken up by fans that weren't there In The championship. 2000 of those were taken up towards the end of the promotion winning season by new season ticket holders, leaving around 700 tickets for jack army members.

If there are plastics in the ground they either know a jack army member and asks to be his allocated 2nd ticket or watched enough swans matches to get a season ticket.

Don't need to be Sherlock.

You had an away section of 2,000 before promotion, so count that out

Actually, your average attendance was 15,507.

Many occasions, your attendance was as low as 11k/12k meaning there were plenty of free tickets available.

I know 3 people that have SCFC Season Cards who had never attended them before.

You can spout shit all you like, but I know for a fact you are talking bollocks.

The step in class between Prem & Champ is getting smaller, look at the dross in the bottom of the premiership this season.

18th - Southampton - finished 1pt behind champions reading last season
19th - Reading - up as Champions
20th - QPR - up as champions after taking the league by storm


This suggests to me the gulf between the prem and the championship is as massive as ever.

Okay instead of looking at one or two clubs take them ALL into account.

You make a habit of missing out key data to make your point more valid don't you?

If you were doing a fair test, you'd include: -

West Ham
Norwich
Swansea

One or two? That's three you twonk

You told me to look at the bottom of the prem, they are the bottom 3 teams.

West ham are now in the top 10 after dicking us 5-0 on aggregate, Swansea are 8th after finishing 11th last year and Norwich are 13th after an excellent season last year.

This is all pointing toward the gulf increasing not decreasing. The teams that tore up the league last year and the year before are all struggling to win a game between them.

Just admit you are wrong and log off FFs

Tore apart the league? I hardly think so.

It's not about who won the league - in YOUR promotion season, QPR won the league and finished above you - does that mean you are STILL worse than them?

I'd quite happily say Cardiff would beat Soton/Reading/QPR .

Financialadvisor,I am not a liar.they did have tickets how I don't care.unlike you I have no interest in the jacks

Same with the people I know. They were getting 12k so there's 8k there who weren't there regularly during the lower league years, so there were tickets available, he's just talking out of his arse.

So when we get 22k crowds at the ccs are you saying 10k of them are plastic because we only got 12k a few years go?

I used that as an example to show there were spare tickets available, where did the word plastic come into it?

Sit down and shut up.

In their promotion season they averaged 16,211. Their capacity is 20,700, meaning 4,500 tickets spare. 2,000 of those are now allocated for away fans making it around the 18,000 mark.

2,700 seats are now regularly taken up by fans that weren't there In The championship. 2000 of those were taken up towards the end of the promotion winning season by new season ticket holders, leaving around 700 tickets for jack army members.

If there are plastics in the ground they either know a jack army member and asks to be his allocated 2nd ticket or watched enough swans matches to get a season ticket.

Don't need to be Sherlock.

You had an away section of 2,000 before promotion, so count that out

Actually, your average attendance was 15,507.

Many occasions, your attendance was as low as 11k/12k meaning there were plenty of free tickets available.

I know 3 people that have SCFC Season Cards who had never attended them before.

You can spout shit all you like, but I know for a fact you are talking bollocks.

Doesn't matter what the away allocation was prior to promotion. How many away sell outs do you get in the champ? Teams bring 2-300 usually. Meaning 15,900 home fans 300 away was the average. Now in the prem 2000 must be given and sell out taking ticket non availability to 18000. Not difficult.

No it wasn't it was 16,211, depending on where you get your source from however. Although they are similar figures anyhow.

They are not season cards so you are lying.

You have no idea what you are talking about let alone what anyone else is talking .

Yes they are season cards, you get them in a little pocket which holds it all.

My missus is a Swansea ST holder - I think I'd know.

The step in class between Prem & Champ is getting smaller, look at the dross in the bottom of the premiership this season.

18th - Southampton - finished 1pt behind champions reading last season
19th - Reading - up as Champions
20th - QPR - up as champions after taking the league by storm


This suggests to me the gulf between the prem and the championship is as massive as ever.

Okay instead of looking at one or two clubs take them ALL into account.

You make a habit of missing out key data to make your point more valid don't you?

If you were doing a fair test, you'd include: -

West Ham
Norwich
Swansea

One or two? That's three you twonk

You told me to look at the bottom of the prem, they are the bottom 3 teams.

West ham are now in the top 10 after dicking us 5-0 on aggregate, Swansea are 8th after finishing 11th last year and Norwich are 13th after an excellent season last year.

This is all pointing toward the gulf increasing not decreasing. The teams that tore up the league last year and the year before are all struggling to win a game between them.

Just admit you are wrong and log off FFs

Tore apart the league? I hardly think so.

It's not about who won the league - in YOUR promotion season, QPR won the league and finished above you - does that mean you are STILL worse than them?

I'd quite happily say Cardiff would beat Soton/Reading/QPR .

Yep tore it apart didnt they have nearly 100 points? Reading and Southampton did similarly in the second part of the season getting 90 and 89 points respectively I think or there abouts.

And it's one thing saying Cardiff would beat QPR Soton and Reading but it's another doing it, we couldn't even beat derby FFs. Any of those would win the championship this year comfortably.

Yes they are season cards, you get them in a little pocket which holds it all.

My missus is a Swansea ST holder - I think I'd know.

Ah well, you learn something new every day. Being a city fan I wasn't sure but ill now to you on that one.

Cards or book makes no difference. If you want one you must have sufficient points. A quick google search will confirm.

1-1 at Derby against 10 men - so you are saying, according to your theory, that those 3 would win every game in the championship?

You sir are a deluded tw*t.

Now f**k off back to Smack Army .net

1-1 at Derby against 10 men - so you are saying, according to your theory, that those 3 would win every game in the championship?

You sir are a deluded tw*t.

Now f**k off back to Smack Army .net

No, by my theory, QPR Soton and reading are by far better than any team in the championship - simple as that really.

They proved it last year and the year before and have only strengthened since then spending nearly £100m on players between them.

Your logic is nonsense

Yes they are season cards, you get them in a little pocket which holds it all.

My missus is a Swansea ST holder - I think I'd know.

Ah well, you learn something new every day. Being a city fan I wasn't sure but ill now to you on that one.

Cards or book makes no difference. If you want one you must have sufficient points. A quick google search will confirm.

"They are not season cards, so you're lying"

http://www.swanseacity.net/news/article ... 99914.aspx

yes they are you deluded fool - you've been proved wrong so just do one.

Yes - you must have sufficient points NOW - but before promotion you didn't - which is when these people jumped on board.

So again, you're just talking total bollocks.