" Vincent Tan Statement "

But today Annis has said the club will not go ahead with the Stadium capacity increase. But in his statement VT says that it would be silly not to get this increase now. SO WHAT IS THE TRUTH ?.
But exactly what have they kept there word on ?

Please don,t tell me you believe annis before VT????

Annis has never lied to me

Nothing to do with lies, call me stupid if you want but i think the owner of the club knows a little bit more of what,s going on at the face pit than any of us fans, don,t you????

So owners dont lie ? The Riddler/Sam/TG last week Hmm

Annis, how can you compare VT with the riddler and sam??? for a start the riddler only stole off our club and sam after his original financial input (which in football terms wasn,t a lot) run up all our existing debt, putting the re-branding to one side, up until know, VT has only put money INTO our club!!!

how do you know its the truth? we found out about Sam late, same with Ridsdale...
fact is, they lied to us...and i dont trust anyone who lied to me. so to me those "chairmen" are basically the same, only interested in their benefits and their profits.

Despite our hatred for the changes I cant see anything but to go alone with it now and just see what it brings, Im still 100% against but see some sort of logic behind it. I know there are those that say they'd rather watch City play in the lower leagues than have the change but really would you rather watch City play infront of piss poor crowds in a empty stadium against the likes of maybe Exeter & Halifax, no disrespect to them but Id rather be watching City on the world wide stage. Even if it is in a red shirt and a poxy puff the magic dragon badge. Lets get to the promised land and secure our club financially and then push to bring back the "BLUEBIRDS" as we know it, its all politics at CCFC and I'll never buy merchandise from it until we change back.

I cant see what else we can do but to get behind Malky and the City, we just have to grin and bear the hurt.

Despite our hatred for the changes I cant see anything but to go alone with it now and just see what it brings, Im still 100% against but see some sort of logic behind it. I know there are those that say they'd rather watch City play in the lower leagues than have the change but really would you rather watch City play infront of piss poor crowds in a empty stadium against the likes of maybe Exeter & Halifax, no disrespect to them but Id rather be watching City on the world wide stage. Even if it is in a red shirt and a poxy puff the magic dragon badge. Lets get to the promised land and secure our club financially and then push to bring back the "BLUEBIRDS" as we know it, its all politics at CCFC and I'll never buy merchandise from it until we change back.

I cant see what else we can do but to get behind Malky and the City, we just have to grin and bear the hurt.

f**k me rich three weeks ago you hated the malaysians now you are bending over backwards for them to stick some more lube on you, whats the change or is it the promise land you mentioned thats changed your mind

I can't believe our fans, all I've seen on this board for weeks is why is Tan so quiet and questions about does this 100m exist? When and how is it being invested?

So tan releases a statement explaining exactly how much is being invested and in what areas and people complain and says its nothing new.

Some suggesting that it's not 100m because he had already inveted 40m, Christ it's still money and a lot of money. People don't just write off money for a laugh.

I thought it was an excellent statement and hugely informative. It puts to bed rumours and we know have it from the horses mouth. While it may not be new information from some it the first time the club has confirmed a lot of information.

Great to see them investing so heavily while looking for other income streams to make the club sustainable. Sadly PR sold most revenue streams locally so looking abroad and to Asia a market he knows perfectly can't be a bad thing.

While I don't like the red kit as a home top or a fan of the new badge Its clear to me this is now the way forward.

Despite our hatred for the changes I cant see anything but to go alone with it now and just see what it brings, Im still 100% against but see some sort of logic behind it. I know there are those that say they'd rather watch City play in the lower leagues than have the change but really would you rather watch City play infront of piss poor crowds in a empty stadium against the likes of maybe Exeter & Halifax, no disrespect to them but Id rather be watching City on the world wide stage. Even if it is in a red shirt and a poxy puff the magic dragon badge. Lets get to the promised land and secure our club financially and then push to bring back the "BLUEBIRDS" as we know it, its all politics at CCFC and I'll never buy merchandise from it until we change back.

I cant see what else we can do but to get behind Malky and the City, we just have to grin and bear the hurt.

f**k me rich three weeks ago you hated the malaysians now you are bending over backwards for them to stick some more lube on you, whats the change or is it the promise land you mentioned thats changed your mind

Ive never said Ive hated them but what else are we to do, they've got us in a corner. Id love no change and cant see any reason whatsoever to change into red but again, what can we do.........?

Gotta say, converting approx 64 min of servicable loans to approx 50 mill of non servicable equity is fab (if it happens). This should allow some of wasted ineterest payments to be used for other purposes helping to bring down monthly losses (I say should as I am no expert on the terms of the loans). It's also great to get this from the horses mouth hopefully moving this investment one step away from rumour and closer to reallity - i'm sure we're all gratefull for this.

I understand that you have break eggs to make an omlettee - easy that one
I unnderstand that you have to build a bridge to cross a river (and stay dry) - not too difficlut

I have absolutely no effing idea why a team playing in blue is not worthy of investment !!!!!

Despite our hatred for the changes I cant see anything but to go alone with it now and just see what it brings, Im still 100% against but see some sort of logic behind it. I know there are those that say they'd rather watch City play in the lower leagues than have the change but really would you rather watch City play infront of piss poor crowds in a empty stadium against the likes of maybe Exeter & Halifax, no disrespect to them but Id rather be watching City on the world wide stage. Even if it is in a red shirt and a poxy puff the magic dragon badge. Lets get to the promised land and secure our club financially and then push to bring back the "BLUEBIRDS" as we know it, its all politics at CCFC and I'll never buy merchandise from it until we change back.

I cant see what else we can do but to get behind Malky and the City, we just have to grin and bear the hurt.

f**k me rich three weeks ago you hated the malaysians now you are bending over backwards for them to stick some more lube on you, whats the change or is it the promise land you mentioned thats changed your mind

Ive never said Ive hated them but what else are we to do, they've got us in a corner. Id love no change and cant see any reason whatsoever to change into red but again, what can we do.........?

Take it up the arse some more i guess

at least now we got the facts we needed

Where have you been? all the facts have been posted before.

Gotta say, converting approx 64 min of servicable loans to approx 50 mill of non servicable equity is fab (if it happens). This should allow some of wasted ineterest payments to be used for other purposes helping to bring down monthly losses (I say should as I am no expert on the terms of the loans). It's also great to get this from the horses mouth hopefully moving this investment one step away from rumour and closer to reallity - i'm sure we're all gratefull for this.

I understand that you have break eggs to make an omlettee - easy that one
I unnderstand that you have to build a bridge to cross a river (and stay dry) - not too difficlut

I have absolutely no effing idea why a team playing in blue is not worthy of investment !!!!!

Am I missing something? the changes are for the Asian market, to maximise profit from that area.

at least now we got the facts we needed

Where have you been? all the facts have been posted before.

True theres nothing thats not been posted before really

its £35 mill for players/wages this year.

£10 mill goes to sam/langston leaving £25 mil

from that £25mil we are currently using £1.2mil per month (£14.4mil anually) on running costs and wages so up to next year...
^^^^current players and costs
so that leaves us just over £10 mil war chest for this year, including wages and agent fees etc.
^^^^ new signings wages and fees
now thats exciting and great that Tan cleared it up

Apart from the fact you have included wages twice, you have also left out the fact that club generates £20m p/a itself from Season Tickets/TV Revenues/Sponsorhsip etc.

Money the club generates? you gotta be taking the piss its LOSING £1.2 million a month thats after its income is taken into account

Someone needs to check their maths

Of course the club generates income otherwise where did my (presumably yours) season ticket money go?

The club loses £1m p/m not £1.2m as the last accounts showed a £12m annual loss (so who hasn't checked their facts?). There might be months when VT puts in £1.2m (or more) but in others he puts in a lot less, hence the average of £1m.

We generate around £18m p/a and spends £30m p/a hence a £12m p/a loss. Add a £25m cash injection (after Langston is paid) and you have a net amount of £13m, which in theory is avaiable to MM.

its £35 mill for players/wages this year.

£10 mill goes to sam/langston leaving £25 mil

from that £25mil we are currently using £1.2mil per month (£14.4mil anually) on running costs and wages so up to next year...
^^^^current players and costs
so that leaves us just over £10 mil war chest for this year, including wages and agent fees etc.
^^^^ new signings wages and fees
now thats exciting and great that Tan cleared it up

Apart from the fact you have included wages twice, you have also left out the fact that club generates £20m p/a itself from Season Tickets/TV Revenues/Sponsorhsip etc.

Money the club generates? you gotta be taking the piss its LOSING £1.2 million a month thats after its income is taken into account

Someone needs to check their maths

Of course the club generates income otherwise where did my (presumably yours) season ticket money go?

The club loses £1m p/m not £1.2m as the last accounts showed a £12m annual loss (so who hasn't checked their facts?). There might be months when VT puts in £1.2m (or more) but in others he puts in a lot less, hence the average of £1m.

We generate around £18m p/a and spends £30m p/a hence a £12m p/a loss. Add a £25m cash injection (after Langston is paid) and you have a net amount of £13m, which in theory is avaiable to MM.

13million for MM tony??? thats 6million less than last year aint it? How can this be are biggest budget ever for the squad then as carl put it

I can't believe our fans, all I've seen on this board for weeks is why is Tan so quiet and questions about does this 100m exist? When and how is it being invested?

So tan releases a statement explaining exactly how much is being invested and in what areas and people complain and says its nothing new.

Some suggesting that it's not 100m because he had already inveted 40m, Christ it's still money and a lot of money. People don't just write off money for a laugh.

I thought it was an excellent statement and hugely informative. It puts to bed rumours and we know have it from the horses mouth. While it may not be new information from some it the first time the club has confirmed a lot of information.

Great to see them investing so heavily while looking for other income streams to make the club sustainable. Sadly PR sold most revenue streams locally so looking abroad and to Asia a market he knows perfectly can't be a bad thing.

While I don't like the red kit as a home top or a fan of the new badge Its clear to me this is now the way forward.

Absolutely correct Luke.

The nay sayers are generally those who were against the rebranding but have become bloody minded rather than admit that they were wrong. It is as simple as that.

Despite our hatred for the changes I cant see anything but to go alone with it now and just see what it brings, Im still 100% against but see some sort of logic behind it. I know there are those that say they'd rather watch City play in the lower leagues than have the change but really would you rather watch City play infront of piss poor crowds in a empty stadium against the likes of maybe Exeter & Halifax, no disrespect to them but Id rather be watching City on the world wide stage. Even if it is in a red shirt and a poxy puff the magic dragon badge. Lets get to the promised land and secure our club financially and then push to bring back the "BLUEBIRDS" as we know it, its all politics at CCFC and I'll never buy merchandise from it until we change back.

I cant see what else we can do but to get behind Malky and the City, we just have to grin and bear the hurt.

f**k me rich three weeks ago you hated the malaysians now you are bending over backwards for them to stick some more lube on you, whats the change or is it the promise land you mentioned thats changed your mind

Ive never said Ive hated them but what else are we to do, they've got us in a corner. Id love no change and cant see any reason whatsoever to change into red but again, what can we do.........?

Take it up the arse some more i guess

Dont bring me down to your ladybird fetish level you old fart, just give me an alternative. All Im saying is instead of beating ourselves up over it what else can we do, we've all beaten the drum of "NO CHANGE" at any cost but nobody can come up with a solution to secure our future.. Just tell me, what is the alternative.....

its £35 mill for players/wages this year.

£10 mill goes to sam/langston leaving £25 mil

from that £25mil we are currently using £1.2mil per month (£14.4mil anually) on running costs and wages so up to next year...
^^^^current players and costs
so that leaves us just over £10 mil war chest for this year, including wages and agent fees etc.
^^^^ new signings wages and fees
now thats exciting and great that Tan cleared it up

Apart from the fact you have included wages twice, you have also left out the fact that club generates £20m p/a itself from Season Tickets/TV Revenues/Sponsorhsip etc.

Money the club generates? you gotta be taking the piss its LOSING £1.2 million a month thats after its income is taken into account

Someone needs to check their maths

Of course the club generates income otherwise where did my (presumably yours) season ticket money go?

The club loses £1m p/m not £1.2m as the last accounts showed a £12m annual loss (so who hasn't checked their facts?). There might be months when VT puts in £1.2m (or more) but in others he puts in a lot less, hence the average of £1m.

We generate around £18m p/a and spends £30m p/a hence a £12m p/a loss. Add a £25m cash injection (after Langston is paid) and you have a net amount of £13m, which in theory is avaiable to MM.

13million for MM tony??? thats 6million less than last year aint it? How can this be are biggest budget ever for the squad then as carl put it

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he's saying that Malky will have 13million MORE than what he had last year

But today Annis has said the club will not go ahead with the Stadium capacity increase. But in his statement VT says that it would be silly not to get this increase now. SO WHAT IS THE TRUTH ?.
But exactly what have they kept there word on ?

so how does Annis know this

But today Annis has said the club will not go ahead with the Stadium capacity increase. But in his statement VT says that it would be silly not to get this increase now. SO WHAT IS THE TRUTH ?.
But exactly what have they kept there word on ?

Please don,t tell me you believe annis before VT????

Annis has never lied to me

Now i get it

I certainly do not feel "disenfranchised" in the slightest , I do feel extremely disappointed that the reasoning behind such major change in relation to club colours & badge has been explained so poorly , I feel this belated attempt to justify the rebranding is an opportunity missed . If you want to change the club colours & badge simply because they are more preferable to you PERSONALLY then come out and say so . Yes , the dragon is the symbol of Wales but my club is NOT Wales it is Cardiff City . Wales is a different entity.

Whilst I am excited by the fact that future investment has been promised ,I look forward to seeing the practical reality that committment represents in the form of players on the park . Without ,in my opinion , a major influx of quality individuals , Cardiff City will be in no position to realistically challenge for promo to the English Premier League . The EPL standard training facilities & increased ground capacity will both then prove reckless delusion.

I look forward to the future day when once again I will watch CARDIFF CITY playing in CARDIFF in BLUE . CARDIFF CITY fans , those in favour , those averse and indeed those accepting with reservations ,will remain part of this great club long , long after any future boardroom change !

13million for MM tony??? thats 6million less than last year aint it? How can this be are biggest budget ever for the squad then as carl put it

No BB'77 you don't understand the figures. Last season MM was given £18m (the amount generated by the club) to spend as he saw fit on player transfers and wages. There was a further £12m invested by VT out of his own pocket to meet shortfall costs, total £30m.

This year MM gets £18m (cash generated by the club) + £12m (shortfall payments from VT) + a further £13m (bringing the cash injection figure up to £25m).

Therefore the (Gross) total is £43m, the net figure for transfers is £13m (last years net figure for transfers was around £1.5m (Miller, Turner and Mason) with Chopra going out.

Well being as things were looking pretty dire financially for this great club i didn't see any other fucker rushing forward to save our arse.It would have been the typical scenario of "oh my god are we really in such dire straights"!! just like Rangers.And they have been so lucky to get their knight in shining armour just in time.Cardiff City however NOW have an investor who is prepared to put a lot of money on the table and put together and present a good business model for the future of this club.I think we should cut the guy a bit of slack and just be a little more thankful that someone gives a shit. Offend or please these are my beliefs.

I can't believe our fans, all I've seen on this board for weeks is why is Tan so quiet and questions about does this 100m exist? When and how is it being invested?

So tan releases a statement explaining exactly how much is being invested and in what areas and people complain and says its nothing new.

Some suggesting that it's not 100m because he had already inveted 40m, Christ it's still money and a lot of money. People don't just write off money for a laugh.

I thought it was an excellent statement and hugely informative. It puts to bed rumours and we know have it from the horses mouth. While it may not be new information from some it the first time the club has confirmed a lot of information.

Great to see them investing so heavily while looking for other income streams to make the club sustainable. Sadly PR sold most revenue streams locally so looking abroad and to Asia a market he knows perfectly can't be a bad thing.

While I don't like the red kit as a home top or a fan of the new badge Its clear to me this is now the way forward.

Well said 2Blue.

Gotta say, converting approx 64 min of servicable loans to approx 50 mill of non servicable equity is fab (if it happens). This should allow some of wasted ineterest payments to be used for other purposes helping to bring down monthly losses (I say should as I am no expert on the terms of the loans). It's also great to get this from the horses mouth hopefully moving this investment one step away from rumour and closer to reallity - i'm sure we're all gratefull for this.

I understand that you have break eggs to make an omlettee - easy that one
I unnderstand that you have to build a bridge to cross a river (and stay dry) - not too difficlut

I have absolutely no effing idea why a team playing in blue is not worthy of investment !!!!!

Am I missing something? the changes are for the Asian market, to maximise profit from that area.

I know thats what they say - still don't get it. It it was that easy every team in the league would play in red ??

I fully appreciate we all have a different perspective on things - but it seems like we're expecting a bit of pixie dust

Gotta say, converting approx 64 min of servicable loans to approx 50 mill of non servicable equity is fab (if it happens). This should allow some of wasted ineterest payments to be used for other purposes helping to bring down monthly losses (I say should as I am no expert on the terms of the loans). It's also great to get this from the horses mouth hopefully moving this investment one step away from rumour and closer to reallity - i'm sure we're all gratefull for this.

I understand that you have break eggs to make an omlettee - easy that one
I unnderstand that you have to build a bridge to cross a river (and stay dry) - not too difficlut

I have absolutely no effing idea why a team playing in blue is not worthy of investment !!!!!

Am I missing something? the changes are for the Asian market, to maximise profit from that area.

I know thats what they say - still don't get it. It it was that easy every team in the league would play in red ??

I fully appreciate we all have a different perspective on things - but it seems like we're expecting a bit of pixie dust

Fair comment about the Red shirts but you have to factor in VT's marketing expertise and the fact he OWNS a pay TV station.

The same negative posters with the same old negative posts - lets give the man a chance to prove himself - is one or two seasons too much to ask after all these years in the doldrums ???

To those who criticise what is YOUR alternative??

Gotta say, converting approx 64 min of servicable loans to approx 50 mill of non servicable equity is fab (if it happens). This should allow some of wasted ineterest payments to be used for other purposes helping to bring down monthly losses (I say should as I am no expert on the terms of the loans). It's also great to get this from the horses mouth hopefully moving this investment one step away from rumour and closer to reallity - i'm sure we're all gratefull for this.

I understand that you have break eggs to make an omlettee - easy that one
I unnderstand that you have to build a bridge to cross a river (and stay dry) - not too difficlut

I have absolutely no effing idea why a team playing in blue is not worthy of investment !!!!!

Am I missing something? the changes are for the Asian market, to maximise profit from that area.

Current profit of club acitivities in Asia: zero.
Future profit from Asia, via as yet unidentified income streams: ?????
This is all about maximising LOCAL profit by hoping 20,000 willing fans will buy new shirts cos the colours changed.
Just my opinion of course.

Gotta say, converting approx 64 min of servicable loans to approx 50 mill of non servicable equity is fab (if it happens). This should allow some of wasted ineterest payments to be used for other purposes helping to bring down monthly losses (I say should as I am no expert on the terms of the loans). It's also great to get this from the horses mouth hopefully moving this investment one step away from rumour and closer to reallity - i'm sure we're all gratefull for this.

I understand that you have break eggs to make an omlettee - easy that one
I unnderstand that you have to build a bridge to cross a river (and stay dry) - not too difficlut

I have absolutely no effing idea why a team playing in blue is not worthy of investment !!!!!

Am I missing something? the changes are for the Asian market, to maximise profit from that area.

I know thats what they say - still don't get it. It it was that easy every team in the league would play in red ??

I fully appreciate we all have a different perspective on things - but it seems like we're expecting a bit of pixie dust

Fair comment about the Red shirts but you have to factor in VT's marketing expertise and the fact he OWNS a pay TV station.

The TV deals are where the real money will be made. The colours and badge design are primarily there to appease possible new fans in Asia due to their political, superstitious, and religious beliefs. It's just fortunate for us that a dragon is synonymous in both Welsh and Asian culture, as is the colour red.
I don't think there's a City fan out there who wouldn't want to keep the shirt blue, and the badge the same, but unfortunately it's a change that we, as Cardiff City fans, have to accept at this current time.

£35 million cash investment for next season and people are still moaning - Something tells me that Sam/Langstone is going to be paid off in one go i.e £10 million of that £35 million annual budget is earmarked for Sam/Langstone. The sooner he's paid off the better, it will only be a matter of 18 months and PMG will be paid off as well all the debt will then turn into equity. We will be marketed to the far east (huge markets) via Vincent Tans own tv network, no doubt our games will be sold to other networks across the far east as well - if we get to the Premier League, we will be massive over there. The sky's the limit lads - open your eyes. Can you see any other billionaires around the corner willing to invest this type of monopoly money in little cardiff City??? I cant!!!

Gotta say, converting approx 64 min of servicable loans to approx 50 mill of non servicable equity is fab (if it happens). This should allow some of wasted ineterest payments to be used for other purposes helping to bring down monthly losses (I say should as I am no expert on the terms of the loans). It's also great to get this from the horses mouth hopefully moving this investment one step away from rumour and closer to reallity - i'm sure we're all gratefull for this.

I understand that you have break eggs to make an omlettee - easy that one
I unnderstand that you have to build a bridge to cross a river (and stay dry) - not too difficlut

I have absolutely no effing idea why a team playing in blue is not worthy of investment !!!!!

Am I missing something? the changes are for the Asian market, to maximise profit from that area.

I know thats what they say - still don't get it. It it was that easy every team in the league would play in red ??

I fully appreciate we all have a different perspective on things - but it seems like we're expecting a bit of pixie dust

Fair comment about the Red shirts but you have to factor in VT's marketing expertise and the fact he OWNS a pay TV station.

Firstly - I hope my post didn't come come across as too negative. I appreciate everything the Malaysains have done for our club. I also see agree that VT is a very waelthy man and has not got there by chance.

And as you say he OWNS the pay TV station - so he can put a team on it playing in blue, that is our colour, that is what we are and if we are successful, will it really make any difference. If were not seccessfulll will it really make any difference.

As I said, just can't reconcile the worth of it

To those who criticise what is YOUR alternative??

There isn,t one unless we do a rangers, i see liquidation has gone through with them today, the name glasgow rangers has gone, to be replaced by "the rangers fc" all their history gone with the old name, the new name/teams history starts today from scratch, they could also lose their spl status and have to start in the minor leagues RIP!!!