IRA

I did read about that mate! The fact is gladly now the conflict is being solved by politics:) I just wanted different view points as having Irish (Catholic) family I had a slightly biased view! A decent thread really seeing different opinions yet 1948 turns up again!

good thread except from the abuse which normally kicks of with johnny but not sign of him today

i consider myself a loyalist and unionist but i have no love for the loyalist mobs

ive read books about the shankhill butchers (sadist bastards who should have been wiped out by their own. i think their leader murphy was but i stand to be corrected), mad dog adair ( his mob was like giving your local bullies guns to use instead of their fists to run their drugs business) and michael stone (a complete loon who acted on his own) all are evil people and do not represent the prod loyalists and were for the most part out for their own ends

another interesting read was bandit country about the south armarh (again my spelling) brigade. slab murphy and his brothers were the commanders of this unit they just use the "cause" as protection for their smuggling operation on their farm on the boarder

after the easter rising in 1916 the public of dublin were not behind the ira. there were cases of ira prisoners having things thrown at them by the public as they were marched away, but again the government fucked up again by making martyrs of them

See what you mean, I'd consider my self more of a nationalist but like you wouldnt associate myself with any gangs! I just wanted to find out more and see both sides of the arguments, its nice to see some logical responses instead of people labelling people "scum" and "cunts"

What about the other people in Northern Ireland , that didnt want to be united with Ireland and wanted to stay a part of the uk? there are so many parts to this problem , i dont think it could ever be resolved , and as far as violence and terrorism is concerned , THERE ARE many stories that would make your hair curl. also a lot in the public domain from all sides involved in this conflict!!

Who in fact are the majority in Northern Ireland

The Catholics are not but it won't be long and it'll be Ireland with no
Northen in the title and let's. It say the Brits it was the English who
F**ked Ireland and half the world up

the nationalists have found the way the have a united ireland SHAGGING

your wrong mate it was the british like it or not it is true welsh english and scots together. don't forget the irish played their part too after they joined the union good old duke of wellington for one
they tried to take over the world and had a third of it but thats in the past get over it

See what you mean, I'd consider my self more of a nationalist but like you wouldnt associate myself with any gangs! I just wanted to find out more and see both sides of the arguments, its nice to see some logical responses instead of people labelling people "scum" and "cunts"

it can get a bit silly but take a trip to parkhead, what is sung and spoken about will make your hair curl you would swear you were in belfast in the 70's. ibrox is the same

I really dont understand them two!

maesteg and martyr: take a look at that series by award-winning journalist Peter Taylor.

The 3 major parties in the conflict are portrayed, it is done from a neutral perspective, Taylor didnt take sides in it. Key figures of the conflict are interviewed, incl. ex IRA/UDA/UVF etc paramilitaries as well as politicians or ex Army etc.

it is prob the best research, filmed and documented about the conflict, certainly the best I have found.

LOYALISTS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yDXbc9G1wk
PROVOS (Sinn Fein & the IRA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuVmbkTDuHU
THE BRITS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpRGEZYKnd4

Take your time and watch it in full length, it's worth it.

maesteg and martyr: take a look at that series by award-winning journalist Peter Taylor.

The 3 major parties in the conflict are portrayed, it is done from a neutral perspective, Taylor didnt take sides in it. Key figures of the conflict are interviewed, incl. ex IRA/UDA/UVF etc paramilitaries as well as politicians or ex Army etc.

it is prob the best research, filmed and documented about the conflict, certainly the best I have found.

LOYALISTS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yDXbc9G1wk
PROVOS (Sinn Fein & the IRA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuVmbkTDuHU
THE BRITS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpRGEZYKnd4

Take your time and watch it in full length, it's worth it.

I remember watching it, was it about 10/12 years ago
your right a very intresting film
and it did get me looking at things from a different angle

when i was young we had the conflict on the news most evenings, it could have been the other side of the world as far as i was concerned
in my teens i became mates with boys who we called the semtex crew (not in good taste i know), locals who went to the catholic school who were involved in the bands in the area. most of these were city fans whos second team was celtic and out of devilment i picked rangers as my scottish team (it was the done thing to have a jock team as number 2)
we used to wind each other up but they used to tie me up in knots because they took the political view. i started to read up on things from the loyalist side but the main thing that tipped the scales was the murder of the 17 year old welsh squaddie on a train platform in yorkshire (i was thinking of joining up). from then on i became anti irish republican/ira starting going to rangers and i did buy into some of the propaganda (spelling !!!)
but we all grow up and i hope wiser, i do try to look at things from a more mellow view but it does wind me big time when the republicans try to take the moral high ground by calling us fascists (rich because of the ira and their nazi connections, the irish government offering condolence for hitler , habouring nazis and refusing entry to jews)

its a dark subject in the history of ireland and britain but that is what it is HISTORY

time to move on

Im from Cork - probably the capital city of republicanism and you know what ? I am sick of IRA, UVF talks. All of them have killed innocent people. We are living in the 21st Century why cant people just get over it ? I am irish but does that mean I am supporting the IRA ? Does that mean all Irish are militant republicans ? Look how many Irish are working in the UK - how many Irish are supporting a Premier League team .....or in my case Cardiff I really enjoy being part of this forum and enjoy coming to Cardiff for a few games per season but am I not longer welcome because I am Irish ? Club before country !

Im from Cork - probably the capital city of republicanism and you know what ? I am sick of IRA, UVF talks. All of them have killed innocent people. We are living in the 21st Century why cant people just get over it ? I am irish but does that mean I am supporting the IRA ? Does that mean all Irish are militant republicans ? Look how many Irish are working in the UK - how many Irish are supporting a Premier League team .....or in my case Cardiff I really enjoy being part of this forum and enjoy coming to Cardiff for a few games per season but am I not longer welcome because I am Irish ? Club before country !

who said you not welcome fella
do you know cariggaline at all

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who said you not welcome fella
do you know cariggaline at all[/quote]

Carrigaline ? only 30 mins down the road

who said you not welcome fella
do you know cariggaline at all[/quote]

Carrigaline ? only 30 mins down the road [/quote]

great town full of loons
wasnt keen on cork we were not given a very good welcome except a rough old working mans pub great people in there

I did read about that mate! The fact is gladly now the conflict is being solved by politics:) I just wanted different view points as having Irish (Catholic) family I had a slightly biased view! A decent thread really seeing different opinions yet 1948 turns up again!

good thread except from the abuse which normally kicks of with johnny but not sign of him today

i consider myself a loyalist and unionist but i have no love for the loyalist mobs

ive read books about the shankhill butchers (sadist bastards who should have been wiped out by their own. i think their leader murphy was but i stand to be corrected), mad dog adair ( his mob was like giving your local bullies guns to use instead of their fists to run their drugs business) and michael stone (a complete loon who acted on his own) all are evil people and do not represent the prod loyalists and were for the most part out for their own ends

another interesting read was bandit country about the south armarh (again my spelling) brigade. slab murphy and his brothers were the commanders of this unit they just use the "cause" as protection for their smuggling operation on their farm on the boarder

after the easter rising in 1916 the public of dublin were not behind the ira. there were cases of ira prisoners having things thrown at them by the public as they were marched away, but again the government fucked up again by making martyrs of them

didn,t murphy get killed by republicans who were tipped off/aided by loyalists?

I did read about that mate! The fact is gladly now the conflict is being solved by politics:) I just wanted different view points as having Irish (Catholic) family I had a slightly biased view! A decent thread really seeing different opinions yet 1948 turns up again!

good thread except from the abuse which normally kicks of with johnny but not sign of him today

i consider myself a loyalist and unionist but i have no love for the loyalist mobs

ive read books about the shankhill butchers (sadist bastards who should have been wiped out by their own. i think their leader murphy was but i stand to be corrected), mad dog adair ( his mob was like giving your local bullies guns to use instead of their fists to run their drugs business) and michael stone (a complete loon who acted on his own) all are evil people and do not represent the prod loyalists and were for the most part out for their own ends

another interesting read was bandit country about the south armarh (again my spelling) brigade. slab murphy and his brothers were the commanders of this unit they just use the "cause" as protection for their smuggling operation on their farm on the boarder

after the easter rising in 1916 the public of dublin were not behind the ira. there were cases of ira prisoners having things thrown at them by the public as they were marched away, but again the government fucked up again by making martyrs of them

didn,t murphy get killed by republicans who were tipped off/aided by loyalists?

it has been years since i read that book but i what you said rings a bell. like i said i stand to be corrected
in the 70's the leaderships of both sides were in contact (i read somewhere there was an agreement they wouldnt hit each others leaders)

who said you not welcome fella
do you know cariggaline at all

Carrigaline ? only 30 mins down the road [/quote]

great town full of loons
wasnt keen on cork we were not given a very good welcome except a rough old working mans pub great people in there [/quote]

ya Carrigaline is rough like

it depends where in Cork (city) ..... pubs outside the city center are rough alright.

who said you not welcome fella
do you know cariggaline at all

Carrigaline ? only 30 mins down the road

great town full of loons
wasnt keen on cork we were not given a very good welcome except a rough old working mans pub great people in there [/quote]

ya Carrigaline is rough like

it depends where in Cork (city) ..... pubs outside the city center are rough alright.[/quote]

pub on edge of center near the river may have been a bus station close by ( drink fucks up the memory )
we stayed in a huge hotel by a bridge just around the corner from said boozer
balls to it il have to ask one of the boys who used to live in carrigaline he will know

who said you not welcome fella
do you know cariggaline at all

Carrigaline ? only 30 mins down the road

great town full of loons
wasnt keen on cork we were not given a very good welcome except a rough old working mans pub great people in there

ya Carrigaline is rough like

it depends where in Cork (city) ..... pubs outside the city center are rough alright.[/quote]

pub on edge of center near the river may have been a bus station close by ( drink fucks up the memory )
we stayed in a huge hotel by a bridge just around the corner from said boozer
balls to it il have to ask one of the boys who used to live in carrigaline he will know [/quote]

well Parnell Place/Merchants Quay is the main bus station in Cork which is near the river.
the nearby pubs are frequented by the Guinness breakfast club - because they have a licence to open early and serve alcohol before 10am - all the locals that are fond of their drink are heading there for their breakfast pint

I did read about that mate! The fact is gladly now the conflict is being solved by politics:) I just wanted different view points as having Irish (Catholic) family I had a slightly biased view! A decent thread really seeing different opinions yet 1948 turns up again!

good thread except from the abuse which normally kicks of with johnny but not sign of him today

i consider myself a loyalist and unionist but i have no love for the loyalist mobs

ive read books about the shankhill butchers (sadist bastards who should have been wiped out by their own. i think their leader murphy was but i stand to be corrected), mad dog adair ( his mob was like giving your local bullies guns to use instead of their fists to run their drugs business) and michael stone (a complete loon who acted on his own) all are evil people and do not represent the prod loyalists and were for the most part out for their own ends

another interesting read was bandit country about the south armarh (again my spelling) brigade. slab murphy and his brothers were the commanders of this unit they just use the "cause" as protection for their smuggling operation on their farm on the boarder

after the easter rising in 1916 the public of dublin were not behind the ira. there were cases of ira prisoners having things thrown at them by the public as they were marched away, but again the government fucked up again by making martyrs of them

didn,t murphy get killed by republicans who were tipped off/aided by loyalists?

it has been years since i read that book but i what you said rings a bell. like i said i stand to be corrected
in the 70's the leaderships of both sides were in contact (i read somewhere there was an agreement they wouldnt hit each others leaders)

i read that too m b.when stone and the like ripped the rule book and went after leading provo,s a few loyalist were cheesed off as it stopped them earning coin and slowed their social life down. a lot of good loyalists were sold down the river by so called loyalist leaders who behaved loked mafia dons.prob the same on the other side too

Yes, on a positive note, Ireland is a cracking place with genuinly nice people who are always up for a good drink!
I go over once a year to see the family! Off in 5 weeks, cant wait! Go to a small seaside town near Dublin, called Balbriggan! Actually , last year I ended up talking to Mcphail's brother who was watching a local game!

Yes, on a positive note, Ireland is a cracking place with genuinly nice people who are always up for a good drink!
I go over once a year to see the family! Off in 5 weeks, cant wait! Go to a small seaside town near Dublin, called Balbriggan! Actually , last year I ended up talking to Mcphail's brother who was watching a local game!

Yes, on a positive note, Ireland is a cracking place with genuinly nice people who are always up for a good drink!
I go over once a year to see the family! Off in 5 weeks, cant wait! Go to a small seaside town near Dublin, called Balbriggan! Actually , last year I ended up talking to Mcphail's brother who was watching a local game!

belfast is a amazing city if you can get up north.all the area,s like the falls,shankill,new lodge are right next to each other or just minutes away from each other.you can see the murals on the walls.you,d better get a move on though as some of the more contriversial ones are being replaced by more so called cultural ones.i went two yr ago

We were thinking about catching a train to Dublin as my dad wants to see the Titanic thing!

I did read about that mate! The fact is gladly now the conflict is being solved by politics:) I just wanted different view points as having Irish (Catholic) family I had a slightly biased view! A decent thread really seeing different opinions yet 1948 turns up again!

good thread except from the abuse which normally kicks of with johnny but not sign of him today

i consider myself a loyalist and unionist but i have no love for the loyalist mobs

ive read books about the shankhill butchers (sadist bastards who should have been wiped out by their own. i think their leader murphy was but i stand to be corrected), mad dog adair ( his mob was like giving your local bullies guns to use instead of their fists to run their drugs business) and michael stone (a complete loon who acted on his own) all are evil people and do not represent the prod loyalists and were for the most part out for their own ends

another interesting read was bandit country about the south armarh (again my spelling) brigade. slab murphy and his brothers were the commanders of this unit they just use the "cause" as protection for their smuggling operation on their farm on the boarder

after the easter rising in 1916 the public of dublin were not behind the ira. there were cases of ira prisoners having things thrown at them by the public as they were marched away, but again the government fucked up again by making martyrs of them

didn,t murphy get killed by republicans who were tipped off/aided by loyalists?

it has been years since i read that book but i what you said rings a bell. like i said i stand to be corrected
in the 70's the leaderships of both sides were in contact (i read somewhere there was an agreement they wouldnt hit each others leaders)

i read that too m b.when stone and the like ripped the rule book and went after leading provo,s a few loyalist were cheesed off as it stopped them earning coin and slowed their social life down. a lot of good loyalists were sold down the river by so called loyalist leaders who behaved loked mafia dons.prob the same on the other side too

i think one of the uvf leaders used to meet up with his areas opposite numbers for a few beers to discuss business ffs
that tells a story

who said you not welcome fella
do you know cariggaline at all

Carrigaline ? only 30 mins down the road

great town full of loons
wasnt keen on cork we were not given a very good welcome except a rough old working mans pub great people in there

ya Carrigaline is rough like

it depends where in Cork (city) ..... pubs outside the city center are rough alright.

pub on edge of center near the river may have been a bus station close by ( drink fucks up the memory )
we stayed in a huge hotel by a bridge just around the corner from said boozer
balls to it il have to ask one of the boys who used to live in carrigaline he will know [/quote]

well Parnell Place/Merchants Quay is the main bus station in Cork which is near the river.
the nearby pubs are frequented by the Guinness breakfast club - because they have a licence to open early and serve alcohol before 10am - all the locals that are fond of their drink are heading there for their breakfast pint [/quote]

sounds about right they did open early full of rough old boys who you still wouldnt f**k around with but were great people who loved a laugh

We were thinking about catching a train to Dublin as my dad wants to see the Titanic thing!

just enjoy it mate.good and bad everywhere.the queen herself last year on a visit put out the hand of peace from britain.don,t forget she has had family murdered by the i.r.a .it,s not 100pc sorted in the north but after the 30 odd yrs of mayham it is a relative heaven atm.

I know mate btw I meant to say Belfast

Balbriggan is a great spot

The Titanic Festival was in April in Cobh Harbour Co. Cork was meant to go there but a hangover kept me busy.

Imho,
The early years of the IRA are wholly justifiable as previously mentioned the ruling of the country by an english elite and the conditions imposed on ordinary Irish citizens leading to the potato famine, mass migration (ironically many of them to Wales in Merthyr, Blaenavon, Port Talbot etc where there was employment in the heavy industries but where they also faced discrimination) and the rise of the IRA. Most of the conflicts in this early period where against british troops or trained soldiers, however once they had created the Irish Republic they then set about re-gaining Ulster possibly against the wishes of the majority of the current population, again there was an undercurrent of a system of apartheid against Catholics but in no way does this justify the bombing of innocent civilians and members of the public or other acts of urban terrorism.

Anyway that’s my opinion no doubt 1948 will have an opininon on this as his right and I appreciate that just the same as he hopefully appreciates my right to think he is a complete f’ing spanner.

Watched a documentry about them, the other day, yes I know I'm young and I've got Irish family but I'd always regarded them as terrorists untill I seen this! What they done was stand up for themselves as the British Army waltzed in and shot dead innnocent people! They believed their land should be free and they stood up for it! If only Wales had the same drive, not that I'm saying its right to use that much force! Open to debate and please(1948) dont resort to petty comments and abuse!

You are a c**t.

Go and tell the families of the young children that were blown up by IRA bombs.

Go and ask when the families who lost loved ones due to the fact the IRA had hunch that they were informers.

Watched a documentry about them, the other day, yes I know I'm young and I've got Irish family but I'd always regarded them as terrorists untill I seen this! What they done was stand up for themselves as the British Army waltzed in and shot dead innnocent people! They believed their land should be free and they stood up for it! If only Wales had the same drive, not that I'm saying its right to use that much force! Open to debate and please(1948) dont resort to petty comments and abuse!

You are a c**t.

Go and tell the families of the young children that were blown up by IRA bombs.

Go and ask when the families who lost loved ones due to the fact the IRA had hunch that they were informers.

And then you come along, what a tool! One sided bias comment like that!

[quote="Cork_Wolfy"]Balbriggan is a great spot

Cra
cking spot fairplay mate!

Bias?

You don't have a f*cking clue about 'The Troubles'.

You have no idea about the punishment beatings handed out by the IRA.

You have no idea about the number of innocent children killed by the IRA.

You have no idea about the number of innocent people killed by the IRA simply based on a hunch or their religion.

You have no idea that the IRA ruled by fear and it wasn't down to huge public support.

You are a f*cking idiot.