" LET US ALL REMEMBER "

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Annis has sent this around facebook, why >

Carl, for the first time ever your sounding like me

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Annis has sent this around facebook, why >

Carl, for the first time ever your sounding like me

I don't like it

while i believe most if not all of what carl posts, we have just had a long chat on the phone,
and i can sympathise with his reasons behind the post and also feel he has been somewhat misunderstood.

but i still support and will be happy with, us taking any route into the promised land, preferably in first place (second originally) should the QPR thing go against them.
in second place with QPR still in place, or in second place with norwich above us should the QPR thing go against them.
or in second place (third originally) should the QPR thing go against them.


what i dont want to do is be put through that washing machine of emotions called the play-offs please no


big day tomorow people be loud be proud, were going up automatically
pompy to win 2-1

First of all i read all of Carl's posts some i agree with others i dont and on this one i certainly dont. For one Carl you did not raise any objections to the Craig Bellamy deal at the time in fact you did the opposite and creamed yourself along with the rest of us. As for QPR that is down to the Football League and to be honest i would have to rely on the League to do the right thing as to be honest i have better things to do than read through pages of that Crap. If they have done wrong then as the Clubs before them Swindon Luton ETC they will have to pay the price. Is it fair ? No because the only ones it truly hurts is us the Fans and that is wrong. The guilty parties wander off into the sunset without a thought for the poor supporters that they leave behind.
How should it be done ? Perhaps the guilty party should have a lifetime ban from football ? But lets get this right would Stan or anyone from QPR have any sympathy for us had it been the other way round ? None at all !! and will i celebrate like f**k if we go up in this fashion ? of coarse i will.

Whether I raised objections to the Craig Bellamy deal at the time has no relevance Steve and nor do I object now, I am simply stating that many were gunning for us when we signed him like many seem to be gunning for QPR now when there is a possibility of a points deduction that could affect us, would you be bothered if we were mid table ?

Creaming myself, don't make me laugh will you, I took enough flak at the time when very few believed I was correct that we were indeed trying to sign him and that we offered to pay £18k pw for his services.

Carl i creamed myself because i believed what you was posting. I Have never doubted your updates and never will. Will you get some wrong ? of coarse you will but not intentionally. Would i be bothered if we were mid table ? No not one jot because it wouldn't bother me as it wouldn't effect CCFC. But at the moment it is relevant

Sorry Carl but you are wrong.

Comparing us to QPR on this subject is rubbish

What have we done differently to any other champ club that has loan signings?

Nothing apart from the high wages.

QPR are the best team in the championship but IF they DELIBERATELY cheated and then tried to lie their way out of it they deserve a points deduction.

And would I feel ashamed if we took their place?

No, because football is ruthless and there would be no sympathy for Cardiff if the roles were reversed.

"We do not pay anywhere near a percentage of his wages before it is deemed morally correct"

I think you could get 90,000 different answers to what that percentage is.

Let us all remember morality lies within the realm of philosophy, sporting regulations do not.

You called my opinion 'poppy cock' I googled the expression and it confirmed what I thought, it's a candied popcorn flavour

Tony you use the expression first

Poppy Cock is my Nuclear option....

I akways find balderdash and piffle to be useful options too Tony!!!!!!!

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Annis has sent this around facebook, why >

Carl, for the first time ever your sounding like me

Oh no!! It'll be Jonesy out next!!

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Annis has sent this around facebook, why >

Carl, for the first time ever your sounding like me

Oh no!! It'll be Jonesy out next!!

Sven
Now that sounds good , but I very much doubt that, I have worked on Carl 24/7 for well over a yr and a half on that subject and sadly I Failed

That throughout all this talk of QPR and cheating etc.

Remember how many clubs were gunning for us when we signed Craig Bellamy.

We do not pay anywhere near a percentage of his wages before it is deemed morally correct and I am certain that the rules regarding loan signings will change this Summer as a result.

I am not saying that we have cheated in any way but are we right to take the moral high ground when, let's be honest, we would be going mental if another club had done what we have done throughout this season.

Yes QPR may have broken rules but they were broken in August 2009, not this season and as far as I am concerned they are worthy Champions and if we are to gain promotion automatically then I hope we do it on merit.

I am not saying I would take promotion via default but I certainly would not celebrate it and I think that way of promotion would cause problems amongst City fans as those who want DJ out would claim he has ultimately failed and he only got up by default.

We haven't broken any rules as you said, if they have then they would be cheats and should not go up simple as that.......

I don't care who was gunning for us, we didn't do anything wrong

Carl I may be wrong but I thought I could remember you saying in one of your posts/updates that if we got promoted then it was agreed with Man City that we would have to pay them all of the share of Bellamy's wages that they have been paying this season. In which case we will, admittedly after the event, have paid the whole of Bellamy,s £90,000 per week wages so what's the problem? If we don't go up then we haven't gained any advantage either.

Contradiction my friend!

You say we will not have gained an advantage if we do not gain promotion, surely everyone realises that when you sign a player who was voted the best player in the Premier league the season previous that you are gaining an advantage, whether you succeed is irrelevant.

And yes you are totally correct, if we get promoted then we pay all of the wages but that is AFTER we gain the £90million

Surely no advantage has been gained if we fail to gain promotion and it would have been very costly for us as we are paying around £ 21000 per week out of his wages. And as I said of we do go up then he will have cost us £90000 per week.

That throughout all this talk of QPR and cheating etc.

Remember how many clubs were gunning for us when we signed Craig Bellamy.

We do not pay anywhere near a percentage of his wages before it is deemed morally correct and I am certain that the rules regarding loan signings will change this Summer as a result.

I am not saying that we have cheated in any way but are we right to take the moral high ground when, let's be honest, we would be going mental if another club had done what we have done throughout this season.

Yes QPR may have broken rules but they were broken in August 2009, not this season and as far as I am concerned they are worthy Champions and if we are to gain promotion automatically then I hope we do it on merit.

I am not saying I would take promotion via default but I certainly would not celebrate it and I think that way of promotion would cause problems amongst City fans as those who want DJ out would claim he has ultimately failed and he only got up by default.

Carl the DJ haters would still want him out , they hark on about wages etc , well the best paid managers and players etc dont win leagues , man city , Real , Chelsea this season to name a few.

If we had cheated ober Bellamy it would not have been approved , QPR only owned up as they knew it would come out if promoted.

If i murdered someone in 2009 i would be punihed now in 2011 not next year , qpr will get done and if we go up as a results no-one will say we want to stay down.

DJ haters must have mixed feelings rights now as they cant even acknowledge his run , they say the usual about players that he brought in , wages , best team etc etc

I support the club , manager , team throughout thick and thin - end off

to be honest i cant see qpr getting a points deduction because there will not be any time for them to win the points back but yes carl i can see where your comeing from mate

to be honest i cant see qpr getting a points deduction because there will not be any time for them to win the points back but yes carl i can see where your comeing from mate

this is where there seems to be a lot of confusion.
qpr have held their hands up to 2 of the seven charges.
if they are found guilty and if people propose a fine how much do you think they should get fined bearing in mind promotion is supposed to be worth 90 million.
if found guilty points being deducted is the only viable option as a punishment.
Remember the league gave them an opportunity to put their house in order in october 2010 and their owners decided to allegedly provide them with false documentation.
do you honestly believe if found guilty of that they would just get a fine.

Remember the league gave them an opportunity to put their house in order in october 2010 and their owners decided to allegedly provide them with false documentation.
do you honestly believe if found guilty of that they would just get a fine.

No I dont Steve.

This is the crux of the debate. Did they falsify the documents or was it a clerical error. QPR are claiming the latter but now can you take them seriously with who were running the shop at the time.

For me if it is a clerical error it will still be a big punishment for them as the FA will not want to be seen as bowing down to those type of guys. I do believe they will get 18 points deduction as this will still give them a chance to gain promotion via the play offs. The FA have waited until now, last game of season, to see how much they can punish QPR with little comeback from everyone else hence why I say 18 points deduction for a minor fine.

If it is proven that they falsified the documents, highly likely considering the big guys they have, then I think they could replace Sheff Utd.

Well I would put myself firmly in the hate DJ group absolutely no doubt about that but last week I replied to a post which asked if DJ should be our manager next season.

Although I think DJ is a miserable sod who blames everyone under the sun except himself for anything and everything I also recognise it would be very difficult to justify sacking him after he has again this season improved the clubs position. 79 points is a record haul under his stewardship and we still have 2 games remaining so whatever the outcome this season we should recognise he has again improved our clubs standing.

Neil Warnock has done a fantastic job at QPR this season no doubt about that but when he was manager at Sheffield Utd he got that club promoted at the end of his 7th season in charge, like DJ he lost a playoff final against Wolves and DJ. Who knows if its not this year maybe DJ will do it next year but if another factor like a club breaking rules allowed our club to win promotion surely no one could blame DJ for the actions of another club.

However in the OP Carl makes a statement that the club Do Not Pay Anywhere A Percentage Of His Wages Before It Is Deemed Morally Correct well I don't know how you validate that statement because to my knowledge there is no measure no formal level which can be used that would decide when a loan agreement is either moral or immoral. One of the literal meanings of morality is The Quality Of Being In Accordance With Right And Good. In my opinion our club having acted fully in compliance with the rules and regulations of the FA & FL in this loan agreement has fully met any test or measure of morality in this matter and personal I deem it both moral and ethical.

I wonder how many people would have accepted promotion last season if we had won the playoff final would we have earned it? would we have won it on merit?

Lets face it last season our club was in turmoil we owed money left right and centre, our players were not being paid on time, as fans we were conned by the owners into believing our ST monies would be spent on new players even though the club had a transfer embargo in place for breaking FL rules. We were faced with one winding up order after another and even had one to face a few weeks after the playoff final. So how many would have accepted promotion last season against that background and ask yourself on any reasonable scale how you would have measured the moral behaviour of the club last season.

Well I would have accepted promotion in a heartbeat because whilst our club was in a very dark place last season where we did infringe FL rules we were punished by a transfer embargo. This meant that we could not sign any players after August 2009 and our team and manager did an incredible job to not onlu qualify for the playoffs but to also reach the final. We had to compete under a handicap and rightly so after breaking the rules but having accepted the handicap we had an absolute right to be in the playoff final and if we hadwon to be in the PL.

This season another club has been charged with breaking rules and regulations and they are about to be judged and IF the charges against them are proven they will face sanctions. If as a result another club benefits then that is absolutely right because they will be the next best placed club on MERIT.

Well I would put myself firmly in the hate DJ group absolutely no doubt about that but last week I replied to a post which asked if DJ should be our manager next season.

Although I think DJ is a miserable sod who blames everyone under the sun except himself for anything and everything I also recognise it would be very difficult to justify sacking him after he has again this season improved the clubs position. 79 points is a record haul under his stewardship and we still have 2 games remaining so whatever the outcome this season we should recognise he has again improved our clubs standing.

Neil Warnock has done a fantastic job at QPR this season no doubt about that but when he was manager at Sheffield Utd he got that club promoted at the end of his 7th season in charge, like DJ he lost a playoff final against Wolves and DJ. Who knows if its not this year maybe DJ will do it next year but if another factor like a club breaking rules allowed our club to win promotion surely no one could blame DJ for the actions of another club.

However in the OP Carl makes a statement that the club Do Not Pay Anywhere A Percentage Of His Wages Before It Is Deemed Morally Correct well I don't know how you validate that statement because to my knowledge there is no measure no formal level which can be used that would decide when a loan agreement is either moral or immoral. One of the literal meanings of morality is The Quality Of Being In Accordance With Right And Good. In my opinion our club having acted fully in compliance with the rules and regulations of the FA & FL in this loan agreement has fully met any test or measure of morality in this matter and personal I deem it both moral and ethical.

I wonder how many people would have accepted promotion last season if we had won the playoff final would we have earned it? would we have won it on merit?

Lets face it last season our club was in turmoil we owed money left right and centre, our players were not being paid on time, as fans we were conned by the owners into believing our ST monies would be spent on new players even though the club had a transfer embargo in place for breaking FL rules. We were faced with one winding up order after another and even had one to face a few weeks after the playoff final. So how many would have accepted promotion last season against that background and ask yourself on any reasonable scale how you would have measured the moral behaviour of the club last season.

Well I would have accepted promotion in a heartbeat because whilst our club was in a very dark place last season where we did infringe FL rules we were punished by a transfer embargo. This meant that we could not sign any players after August 2009 and our team and manager did an incredible job to not onlu qualify for the playoffs but to also reach the final. We had to compete under a handicap and rightly so after breaking the rules but having accepted the handicap we had an absolute right to be in the playoff final and if we hadwon to be in the PL.

This season another club has been charged with breaking rules and regulations and they are about to be judged and IF the charges against them are proven they will face sanctions. If as a result another club benefits then that is absolutely right because they will be the next best placed club on MERIT.

What he said!

Well I would put myself firmly in the hate DJ group absolutely no doubt about that but last week I replied to a post which asked if DJ should be our manager next season.

Although I think DJ is a miserable sod who blames everyone under the sun except himself for anything and everything I also recognise it would be very difficult to justify sacking him after he has again this season improved the clubs position. 79 points is a record haul under his stewardship and we still have 2 games remaining so whatever the outcome this season we should recognise he has again improved our clubs standing.

Neil Warnock has done a fantastic job at QPR this season no doubt about that but when he was manager at Sheffield Utd he got that club promoted at the end of his 7th season in charge, like DJ he lost a playoff final against Wolves and DJ. Who knows if its not this year maybe DJ will do it next year but if another factor like a club breaking rules allowed our club to win promotion surely no one could blame DJ for the actions of another club.

However in the OP Carl makes a statement that the club Do Not Pay Anywhere A Percentage Of His Wages Before It Is Deemed Morally Correct well I don't know how you validate that statement because to my knowledge there is no measure no formal level which can be used that would decide when a loan agreement is either moral or immoral. One of the literal meanings of morality is The Quality Of Being In Accordance With Right And Good. In my opinion our club having acted fully in compliance with the rules and regulations of the FA & FL in this loan agreement has fully met any test or measure of morality in this matter and personal I deem it both moral and ethical.

I wonder how many people would have accepted promotion last season if we had won the playoff final would we have earned it? would we have won it on merit?

Lets face it last season our club was in turmoil we owed money left right and centre, our players were not being paid on time, as fans we were conned by the owners into believing our ST monies would be spent on new players even though the club had a transfer embargo in place for breaking FL rules. We were faced with one winding up order after another and even had one to face a few weeks after the playoff final. So how many would have accepted promotion last season against that background and ask yourself on any reasonable scale how you would have measured the moral behaviour of the club last season.

Well I would have accepted promotion in a heartbeat because whilst our club was in a very dark place last season where we did infringe FL rules we were punished by a transfer embargo. This meant that we could not sign any players after August 2009 and our team and manager did an incredible job to not onlu qualify for the playoffs but to also reach the final. We had to compete under a handicap and rightly so after breaking the rules but having accepted the handicap we had an absolute right to be in the playoff final and if we hadwon to be in the PL.

This season another club has been charged with breaking rules and regulations and they are about to be judged and IF the charges against them are proven they will face sanctions. If as a result another club benefits then that is absolutely right because they will be the next best placed club on MERIT.

Sums it up perfectly castle there are no moral issues and nothing to be ashamed of if we went up finishing third.
we have accepted all our punishments and embargo's and perhaps other clubs benefited by signing some of dj's targets whilst we were under that embargo.
if we go up we go up on merit

I haven't read the whole thread but did read 'was it morally right that we signed Craig Bellamy'?

Well to that i would say is it morally right that in the Premiership both Man City and Chelsea being owned by billionaires can virtually buy any player they want and pay them obscene wages? We have done nothing wrong and have only used the existing rules to our advantage the same as any team in the Division is able to do.

With regards to Bellamys wages that was an arrangement between Man City and us and both parties seem to be happy and Bellamy wanted to come here and nowhere else and the deal was fully ratified by the Football League so we broke no rules.

With regards to QPR they may or may not have broken the rules lets just wait for the result of the IRC and worry about our next 2 games in the mean time

Ass is going....... MASSIVE NIGHT...... season defining.
Dont give a f#ck about points reductions , fines , lets do it ourselves City.
From far away in Perth Oz get behind the boys and make it a cauldron.
Flew over for the Blackpool ( more like Black Day ) game and was devestated .... dont let it happen again wer'e good enough and our time has come.
Make us proud and wish the Old Man who passed away last year could see it.

" And now you'd better believe it THE BLUES ARE GOING UP "

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