OT: YOUR SENNEDD ELECTION VOTE?

I am sure Reform could deliver change in Wales
…….. change for the worse

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Be a tough task to be worse than Labour.

So where’s the statistics for fewer collisions, where’s the figures for less deaths, thanks to the 20 mph speed limit.

Agree or not, its one of the few actual facts in this thread...

What impact has 20mph had on road safety in Wales? https://share.google/CNjUiOtHJ2V43x6Wx

Number of cars on our roads has reduced significantly , since working from home has been introduced. Without factoring that in, the stats are meaningless.

Where's the statistics for that? Meaningless reply otherwise...

So where’s the statistics for fewer collisions, where’s the figures for less deaths, thanks to the 20 mph speed limit.

Agree or not, its one of the few actual facts in this thread...

What impact has 20mph had on road safety in Wales? https://share.google/CNjUiOtHJ2V43x6Wx

Number of cars on our roads has reduced significantly , since working from home has been introduced. Without factoring that in, the stats are meaningless.

Where's the statistics for that? Meaningless reply otherwise...

WAG reckon WFH has reduced traffic volume by 16%. That said just seen a Yank study that’s claims it’s increased traffic.
If the WAG is correct, you’d expect collisions and fatalities to drop by around 16%. Percent

Reform for me wales being a sanctuary nation is inviting whats happened in England we will be flooded with un betted migration and that is a huge worry for the safety of our entire nation. Some big cities in England are gone lost to the indigenous english ie London ans that should not happen.
Demark should be predominantly danish Nigeria should be Nigerian and so on wales should always be wales .

Labour have lied from there manifesto as a uk party the pm hasnt done a good job and plaid is just a side step .

The Newport relief road for the m4 would be great ans the holt to the indoctrination of our children in school is welcome i dont want my grandchildren being tought some of the utter bull shit they get tought in school and universities.
So reform all day long for me and i dont fully agree with them.
Advanced uk haven't yet got a vote otherwise id vote for them .

Plaid i think will win another left wing party and thats up to everyone who they want to vote for but i will say my country is a crazy place from growing up in the 70s and 80s with some mental changes happening especially in schools and universities.
Woke ideologies are ruining our country so has multiculturalism.
Uk.voted out of Europe as did i but where still in Europe.
If you fart down wind or you dare to disagree with socialism your a wrong en and your freedom of speech is suppressed to only be allowed to say and think in another way so your not allowed to oppose or criticise like we used to .

So if you want all the shit to come to walea that England is having crack on with Labour and pride your grandchildren will not thankyou for it .
Having said that i do believe in a fair democracy and i do believe in controlled imagination but only to benefit wales and only if its integrated imagination anyone that doesn't want to integrate into our way of life in wales and speak our languages welsh or english and accept welsh law shouldn't be here in wales .
Ive got to no many people from different countries with different faiths who are lovely people those are the ones we want .
Lastly the Australian points system for migration i like but what we dont want is people coming to wales with no skills no language skills and claiming off the state .

Wales has been ler down by the uk government we've never had the replacement from the industry years so wales is by large the poor man of Britain not our fault as we can have so much talent here but the uk government has failed our nation and we cant afford to pay for huge numbers in migration and our welsh culture is Britain we are the original britons and our unique culture and way of live should be preserved thats my opinion.

So my only option here is reform and im open to be criticised everyone is entitled to there own thoughts

Ok , wales is not a " sanctuary nation "

We are not letting in or encouraging in thousands of immigrants , refugees etc

The name sanctuary was a stupid name to choose for the welsh version of what happens in england , scotland and northern ireland .....its all funded by central westminster government

And its to help new arrivals do what you want .....integrate , fit in , learn our language , our culture , our laws

Isnt that what you want of immigrants ?

Wales does not control immigration .....thats controlled by the uk government

Ok , wales is not a " sanctuary nation "

We are not letting in or encouraging in thousands of immigrants , refugees etc

The name sanctuary was a stupid name to choose for the welsh version of what happens in england , scotland and northern ireland .....its all funded by central westminster government

And its to help new arrivals do what you want .....integrate , fit in , learn our language , our culture , our laws

Isnt that what you want of immigrants ?

Wales does not control immigration .....thats controlled by the uk government

Wake up pal! The phrase “Nation of Sanctuary” is an official policy/aim of the Welsh Government, led by Welsh Labour. Plaid Cymru also supports it and has backed or worked with Labour on it.

And you saying it helps new arrivals to integrate/fit in and learn our language Many will abuse our benefits/NHS, not to mention women and children. Most people who live in Wales don't want to "learn our language", so why would a load of foreigners?

Ok , wales is not a " sanctuary nation "

We are not letting in or encouraging in thousands of immigrants , refugees etc

The name sanctuary was a stupid name to choose for the welsh version of what happens in england , scotland and northern ireland .....its all funded by central westminster government

And its to help new arrivals do what you want .....integrate , fit in , learn our language , our culture , our laws

Isnt that what you want of immigrants ?

Wales does not control immigration .....thats controlled by the uk government

Wake up pal! The phrase “Nation of Sanctuary” is an official policy/aim of the Welsh Government, led by Welsh Labour. Plaid Cymru also supports it and has backed or worked with Labour on it.

And you saying it helps new arrivals to integrate/fit in and learn our language Many will abuse our benefits/NHS, not to mention women and children. Most people who live in Wales don't want to "learn our language", so why would a load of foreigners?

No , you are completely incorrect

The devolved governments .....scotland , wales , northern ireland .....and central government have money allocated to the refugee resettlement scheme ....its money for learning english , the law , customs , culture etc ......in scotland , wales , northern ireland and england

Most of this money has been helping ukranian refugees

We have a population of over 3 millikn in wales ......about 3000 .....a tiny amount are refugees who live throughout wales .....mostly Cardiff , Newport ......and its these 3000 people who are helped by this " nation of santuary " ......scheme .....its not , as you wrongly say , a welsh government scheme ........nation of santuary is OUR name for a similar scheme ....funded by the uk government ....that also exists in northern ireland , scotland and england

The jocks probably call it " safe shelter " or something

Its the same thing

Nation of Sanctuary was a stupid name to call this sceme as its allowed reform and the likes of yourself to wrongly claim its opening the floodgates ...but thats nonsense....Wales has NO control over immigration policy ......thats the uk government through the home secretary

And immigration is now down from 700000 under the conservatives to 300000 now , these things take time which is why reform talk complete lies about it all

Ok , wales is not a " sanctuary nation "

We are not letting in or encouraging in thousands of immigrants , refugees etc

The name sanctuary was a stupid name to choose for the welsh version of what happens in england , scotland and northern ireland .....its all funded by central westminster government

And its to help new arrivals do what you want .....integrate , fit in , learn our language , our culture , our laws

Isnt that what you want of immigrants ?

Wales does not control immigration .....thats controlled by the uk government

Wake up pal! The phrase “Nation of Sanctuary” is an official policy/aim of the Welsh Government, led by Welsh Labour. Plaid Cymru also supports it and has backed or worked with Labour on it.

And you saying it helps new arrivals to integrate/fit in and learn our language Many will abuse our benefits/NHS, not to mention women and children. Most people who live in Wales don't want to "learn our language", so why would a load of foreigners?

https://www.threads.com/@owswills/post/DPqoYetDI-k

There you go

Nation Of Sanctuary ...Wales

Same thing in Scotland

Northern Ireland Resettlement Scheme

Almost all help has been to ukranians and hong kong refugees

Wales has NO control over who comes here ....that uk government policy .....the nation of sanctuary scheme just helps them settle in the same way the scottish scheme does and the northern ireland scheme does

Good grief this is hard work at times lads

Sludge,

Not quite:

Yes, immigration is controlled by the Home Office, not Wales. But “Nation of Sanctuary” isn’t just a UK scheme with a different name It' is the Welsh Government's policy about how asylum seekers etc are supported, by us tax payers, once they arrive.


And pretending it only affects “a few thousand people” is misleading. The numbers may be small compared to the population, but the impact is HUGE - especially on our shortage of housing, appalling local services, school spaces (or lack of them) and healthcare in busy towns/cities, which are already under pressure. It will only get worse unless someone like Reform grabs this country by the balls and does something.

Sludge,

Not quite:

Yes, immigration is controlled by the Home Office, not Wales. But “Nation of Sanctuary” isn’t just a UK scheme with a different name It' is the Welsh Government's policy about how asylum seekers etc are supported, by us tax payers, once they arrive.


And pretending it only affects “a few thousand people” is misleading. The numbers may be small compared to the population, but the impact is HUGE - especially on our shortage of housing, appalling local services, school spaces (or lack of them) and healthcare in busy towns/cities, which are already under pressure. It will only get worse unless someone like Reform grabs this country by the balls and does something.

English , Welsh , Scottish and Northern Ireland governments all have resettlement schemes ......its a legal requirement

Ours ...is called , stupidly .....nation of sanctuary

In scotland its something else ...but same sort of scheme .in northern ireland they called it the nothern ireland refugee resettlement scheme

I really cant be any clearer than that

Reform and you guys are painting the nation of sanctuary as some kind of open door policy .....but thats false .....its down to central uk government who comes or doesnt come ...the nation of sanctuary doesnt increase the number of people coming in ...it doesnt have the power to ..

Its no good pretending 0.057 percent of the welsh economy being spent on 3000 migrants is leading to no houses for ex squaddies or over crowded hospitals and schools ....

Population growth ...including legal immigration ......14 years of record figures under the conservatives.....is the problem and labour who are crap I agree , have cut that figure from 700000 per year to around 300000

There's a lot of untruths out there which is quite odd for a senedd election that doesn't usually draw much attention.
Here's one...
Plaid = Labour. Since it's founding the Senedd has had a different voting system to Westminster's first past the post. The old system and the new one for this election is like one most European use. This means that you rarely (virtually impossible) have one party in complete control. This means parties have to work together to get things done. This is what Plaid and the Lib Dems have done in Wales on occasions. Plaid demanded free school meals for primary children in return for their support.
This also means of course that it is very unlikely Reform will gain power as no one will work with them regardless if they gain most seats.

With so many Reform supporters on this forum, I'd really like to know which of Reform's policies they support?

These are the reform policies I support, but if you were that interested you could have checked out their Welsh Manifesto:

1.CUT YOUR TAXES AND PUT MONEY BACK IN YOUR POCKET.
We will cut 1p off every pound on all bands of Welsh income tax
by the end of our term to put more money into your pocket. We
will scrap Net Zero to end wasteful subsidies, make it easier to
build infrastructure, and kickstart the Welsh economy.

2.SCRAP BLANKET 20MPH LIMITS.
Labour’s war on motorists has caused untold damage to the
Welsh economy. We will restore sanity to Welsh roads by
abolishing the default 20mph policy in urban areas.

3.PUT WELSH PEOPLE FIRST.
We will end the so-called ‘Nation of Sanctuary’ policy. We will
stop the use of migrant hotels in our communities. We will scrap
international aid, and spend your taxes at home, in Wales. We
will prioritise Welsh men and women for social housing.

4.BUILD WALES FOR THE FUTURE.
Wales has suffered from a lack of investment for decades and
our infrastructure is crumbling. We will build the M4 relief
road, upgrade the A55 North Wales expressway, and fast
track A470 upgrades. We will build houses in the right places
and launch a modern industrial strategy, creating jobs and
unlocking investment.

5.BACK WELSH FARMERS.
We will reform the Sustainable Farming Scheme to let farmers
farm, protect the rural way of life, and put Welsh farmers and
our rural communities at the heart of our decision-making.

There you go, now you are enlightened.

Exactly this, plus doing away with the absolute crazy net zero policies

Interesting.
Cut Taxes - If taxes are cut Wales will have even less money to fund our NHS, Schools etc.

20 mph - Haa saved countless lives as the data shows. Just look at the accident information from somewhere like the Gabalfa Roundabout. Your insurance premium has come down. It's also interesting how Reform run Kent Count Council are planning to implement 20mph in their towns.

Nation of Sactuary myth - This was put in place to help Ukranian refugees settle in Wales. Wales has no power over immigration.

Build Wales for the Future - You're in dreamland if you think you're going to do this and cut taxes.

You last point on Farms I don't disagree with, but if you think Reform ASs parachuted in from England have an understanding of Welsh rural affairs dream on.

I agree 1000% Bluegog!!

Labour has not delivered on all that was promised but anyone who thinks Reform will deliver ANY of its popularist promises it has made is living in cloud cuckoo land!! One of the key points the Tories made in the 2024 GE was to point to Labour's performance in Wales as evidence of what they would do if given power in Westminster. Well, perhaps I could direct people's attention to the performance of Reform in the councils in which they have won power on the back of the central commitment to cut council taxes. In truth the put them ALL up and near bankrupted some councils. Perhaps it is worth considering Dan Thomas' performance whilst at Barnet council when he was leader of the Tory controlling party there:

- Barnet undertook a radical mass‑outsourcing programme to Capita, which Thomas supported as deputy leader and later oversaw as leader.
- The outsourcing contracts were originally expected to save money but ended up £229 million over budget according to the incoming Labour administration in 2022.
- 790 jobs were transferred out of the council into the private sector.
- Two major frauds totalling over £2.1 million occurred within outsourced services. Thomas was not implicated, but the failures happened under the outsourced model he supported.
- Barnet became the first local authority fined by the Pensions Regulator due to failures in outsourced pension administration.
- Service performance problems were repeatedly recorded, including roads falling into disrepair and documented service failures.
- Under his leadership, constitutional changes were made that capped public questions, which campaigners said reduced scrutiny.

These findings present a sharply contrasting view to Thomas’ own claims.

Not exactly the performance of a man I'd have much faith in delivering all those wonderfully popular promises so many Reform supporters are hoping to materialise!!

By the way - it's still looking odds on for a Plaid/Labour coalition!!

Sludge,

Not quite:

Yes, immigration is controlled by the Home Office, not Wales. But “Nation of Sanctuary” isn’t just a UK scheme with a different name It' is the Welsh Government's policy about how asylum seekers etc are supported, by us tax payers, once they arrive.


And pretending it only affects “a few thousand people” is misleading. The numbers may be small compared to the population, but the impact is HUGE - especially on our shortage of housing, appalling local services, school spaces (or lack of them) and healthcare in busy towns/cities, which are already under pressure. It will only get worse unless someone like Reform grabs this country by the balls and does something.

English , Welsh , Scottish and Northern Ireland governments all have resettlement schemes ......its a legal requirement

Ours ...is called , stupidly .....nation of sanctuary

In scotland its something else ...but same sort of scheme .in northern ireland they called it the nothern ireland refugee resettlement scheme

I really cant be any clearer than that

Reform and you guys are painting the nation of sanctuary as some kind of open door policy .....but thats false .....its down to central uk government who comes or doesnt come ...the nation of sanctuary doesnt increase the number of people coming in ...it doesnt have the power to ..

Its no good pretending 0.057 percent of the welsh economy being spent on 3000 migrants is leading to no houses for ex squaddies or over crowded hospitals and schools ....

Population growth ...including legal immigration ......14 years of record figures under the conservatives.....is the problem and labour who are crap I agree , have cut that figure from 700000 per year to around 300000

Well said Sludge - and of course you are absolutely correct with the facts you have set out. The problem for Reform and why you will never convince a Reform supporter of the facts is that the cornerstone of their raison d'etre in UK politics is that dealing with the immigration "problem" will sort out everything that is wrong in today's UK - Politically, financially, economically, employment wise, housing wise, benefits wise and crime wise. If they accept there is no immigration "problem" and in any case, that what numbers there were, are now falling daily under Labour; there isn't much necessity for Reform to exist and they all then have to go back to their humdrum lives like the rest of us!!

Forgetting the immigration thing, if you vote Reform you are voting for higher taxes. In the last budget all Reform run councils increased tax and by some of the highest amounts in the UK.
Add that to the fact that Reform councillors barely spend anytime in their constituencies, you will literally be getting higher taxation for less representation

So, Sludge, Blemmy, Dinistr.....a question for you:

Are you happy with 25+ years of Labour/Plaid failure in Wales — yes or no?

No waffle. No politician’s answer.

If the answer is yes, then crack on — but don’t complain when Wales keeps lagging behind England.

If the answer is no, then surely it’s time to stop rewarding failure and try something different.

So, Sludge, Blemmy, Dinistr.....a question for you:

Are you happy with 25+ years of Labour/Plaid failure in Wales — yes or no?

No waffle. No politician’s answer.

If the answer is yes, then crack on — but don’t complain when Wales keeps lagging behind England.

If the answer is no, then surely it’s time to stop rewarding failure and try something different.

Honestly no, not happy with Labour, they have been in power too long, gotten too complacent and inefficient and no longer hold the values that had me supporting them

Plaid have not been in power so don't know how you can say they've been a failure when they haven't had a chance. I will probably be voting for them, even though I don't agree with everything they stand for, they are the party that best fits my values and interests

And pretty much all the other parties have England interests first over Wales'. No matter who gets in (other than Plaid) I see us lagging behind England no matter what, unfortunately this is most true with right wing parties who constantly denigrate the Welsh Parliament and want to follow England and send our money to England

So, Sludge, Blemmy, Dinistr.....a question for you:

Are you happy with 25+ years of Labour/Plaid failure in Wales — yes or no?

No waffle. No politician’s answer.

If the answer is yes, then crack on — but don’t complain when Wales keeps lagging behind England.

If the answer is no, then surely it’s time to stop rewarding failure and try something different.

Honestly no, not happy with Labour, they have been in power too long, gotten too complacent and inefficient and no longer hold the values that had me supporting them

Plaid have not been in power so don't know how you can say they've been a failure when they haven't had a chance. I will probably be voting for them, even though I don't agree with everything they stand for, they are the party that best fits my values and interests

And pretty much all the other parties have England interests first over Wales'. No matter who gets in (other than Plaid) I see us lagging behind England no matter what, unfortunately this is most true with right wing parties who constantly denigrate the Welsh Parliament and want to follow England and send our money to England

A fair response.

You have a consistent position, but there are a couple of gaps in what you write.

Saying Plaid “haven’t had a chance” isn’t entirely accurate. They’ve been part of Welsh Gov previously, including coalition and they have also had input on policy through cooperation agreements. So it’s not like they’re completely innocent with the mess that Wales is on. PC had input into decisions too.

On the “England-first” point, that gets mentioned – what are Labour? All UK-wide party operates across the UK and they’re not just acting in England’s best interests!

You might disagree with their policies, but that’s different from saying they’re not for Wales.

The bigger question is this: if you’re unhappy with how things have been run for 25+ years, does backing a party that’s already been involved with Labour really deliver the level of change you’re looking for, or just a variation of the same direction?

For many, PC are Labour MkII, only worse, which is what my take is.

Sludge,

Not quite:

Yes, immigration is controlled by the Home Office, not Wales. But “Nation of Sanctuary” isn’t just a UK scheme with a different name It' is the Welsh Government's policy about how asylum seekers etc are supported, by us tax payers, once they arrive.


And pretending it only affects “a few thousand people” is misleading. The numbers may be small compared to the population, but the impact is HUGE - especially on our shortage of housing, appalling local services, school spaces (or lack of them) and healthcare in busy towns/cities, which are already under pressure. It will only get worse unless someone like Reform grabs this country by the balls and does something.

English , Welsh , Scottish and Northern Ireland governments all have resettlement schemes ......its a legal requirement

Ours ...is called , stupidly .....nation of sanctuary

In scotland its something else ...but same sort of scheme .in northern ireland they called it the nothern ireland refugee resettlement scheme

I really cant be any clearer than that

Reform and you guys are painting the nation of sanctuary as some kind of open door policy .....but thats false .....its down to central uk government who comes or doesnt come ...the nation of sanctuary doesnt increase the number of people coming in ...it doesnt have the power to ..

Its no good pretending 0.057 percent of the welsh economy being spent on 3000 migrants is leading to no houses for ex squaddies or over crowded hospitals and schools ....

Population growth ...including legal immigration ......14 years of record figures under the conservatives.....is the problem and labour who are crap I agree , have cut that figure from 700000 per year to around 300000

Well said Sludge - and of course you are absolutely correct with the facts you have set out. The problem for Reform and why you will never convince a Reform supporter of the facts is that the cornerstone of their raison d'etre in UK politics is that dealing with the immigration "problem" will sort out everything that is wrong in today's UK - Politically, financially, economically, employment wise, housing wise, benefits wise and crime wise. If they accept there is no immigration "problem" and in any case, that what numbers there were, are now falling daily under Labour; there isn't much necessity for Reform to exist and they all then have to go back to their humdrum lives like the rest of us!!

“You will never convince a Reform Supporter of the facts”

Is that because we’re all thick and spend most of our time in Wetherspoons?
Interesting how the new faux socialists, who despise working class people, believe they’re more intelligent, more discerning and generally more politically savvy , than those voting for Reform. It’s like a comfort blanket, for them.
Speaking personally, I know an end to uncontrolled mass economic migration won’t suddenly make everything right but to pretend migrants don’t commit a disproportionate amount of crime, particularly sexual crime, is simply denying reality. The lack of integration is very worrying. Many Muslims simply don’t want to assimilate. Indeed, as many of them boast, they don’t want to take part, they want to take over. Reform have pledged to levy a 4% tax on Amazon while scrapping business rates for independent high street businesses. They’ve pledged to stop the dinghies and reduce our unsustainable benefits bill. All these policies appeal to me. Labour have a weird voter base of the middle class, predominantly public sector employed and the benefits scrounging PIP scamming social parasite class. The former can then wallow in the virtue of caring for the latter.
Meanwhile Wales and the wider UK, continues to sink lower and lower.

They all lie.

You can’t argue with parts of the facts, and the politicians all share partial facts to suit their agenda.

Whoever gets in, they’ll be backed massively by rich businessmen or billionaires and they will be the ones benefiting. The rest is just a story they sell to get votes.

Sludge posting from the shit lib"threads" platform, from a shitlib account. hE's SoOoOO inteligence and wins the internet. What an absolute fuckin nutter

Sludge,

Not quite:

Yes, immigration is controlled by the Home Office, not Wales. But “Nation of Sanctuary” isn’t just a UK scheme with a different name It' is the Welsh Government's policy about how asylum seekers etc are supported, by us tax payers, once they arrive.


And pretending it only affects “a few thousand people” is misleading. The numbers may be small compared to the population, but the impact is HUGE - especially on our shortage of housing, appalling local services, school spaces (or lack of them) and healthcare in busy towns/cities, which are already under pressure. It will only get worse unless someone like Reform grabs this country by the balls and does something.

English , Welsh , Scottish and Northern Ireland governments all have resettlement schemes ......its a legal requirement

Ours ...is called , stupidly .....nation of sanctuary

In scotland its something else ...but same sort of scheme .in northern ireland they called it the nothern ireland refugee resettlement scheme

I really cant be any clearer than that

Reform and you guys are painting the nation of sanctuary as some kind of open door policy .....but thats false .....its down to central uk government who comes or doesnt come ...the nation of sanctuary doesnt increase the number of people coming in ...it doesnt have the power to ..

Its no good pretending 0.057 percent of the welsh economy being spent on 3000 migrants is leading to no houses for ex squaddies or over crowded hospitals and schools ....

Population growth ...including legal immigration ......14 years of record figures under the conservatives.....is the problem and labour who are crap I agree , have cut that figure from 700000 per year to around 300000

Well said Sludge - and of course you are absolutely correct with the facts you have set out. The problem for Reform and why you will never convince a Reform supporter of the facts is that the cornerstone of their raison d'etre in UK politics is that dealing with the immigration "problem" will sort out everything that is wrong in today's UK - Politically, financially, economically, employment wise, housing wise, benefits wise and crime wise. If they accept there is no immigration "problem" and in any case, that what numbers there were, are now falling daily under Labour; there isn't much necessity for Reform to exist and they all then have to go back to their humdrum lives like the rest of us!!

Immigration in Britain is a major issue that needs tackling

In Wales , less so but we still need a responsible and fair but firm policy

Tories , Labour , Tories have screwed it up

That being said its one of several very important issues we face ...the economy , the nhs , energy etc ......and reform as you say are a one trick pony

Sludge posting from the shit lib"threads" platform, from a shitlib account. hE's SoOoOO inteligence and wins the internet. What an absolute fuckin nutter

No idea what you are going on about



Can you provide a link ?


If its grinder I am not interested xx

Sludge,

Not quite:

Yes, immigration is controlled by the Home Office, not Wales. But “Nation of Sanctuary” isn’t just a UK scheme with a different name It' is the Welsh Government's policy about how asylum seekers etc are supported, by us tax payers, once they arrive.


And pretending it only affects “a few thousand people” is misleading. The numbers may be small compared to the population, but the impact is HUGE - especially on our shortage of housing, appalling local services, school spaces (or lack of them) and healthcare in busy towns/cities, which are already under pressure. It will only get worse unless someone like Reform grabs this country by the balls and does something.

English , Welsh , Scottish and Northern Ireland governments all have resettlement schemes ......its a legal requirement

Ours ...is called , stupidly .....nation of sanctuary

In scotland its something else ...but same sort of scheme .in northern ireland they called it the nothern ireland refugee resettlement scheme

I really cant be any clearer than that

Reform and you guys are painting the nation of sanctuary as some kind of open door policy .....but thats false .....its down to central uk government who comes or doesnt come ...the nation of sanctuary doesnt increase the number of people coming in ...it doesnt have the power to ..

Its no good pretending 0.057 percent of the welsh economy being spent on 3000 migrants is leading to no houses for ex squaddies or over crowded hospitals and schools ....

Population growth ...including legal immigration ......14 years of record figures under the conservatives.....is the problem and labour who are crap I agree , have cut that figure from 700000 per year to around 300000

Well said Sludge - and of course you are absolutely correct with the facts you have set out. The problem for Reform and why you will never convince a Reform supporter of the facts is that the cornerstone of their raison d'etre in UK politics is that dealing with the immigration "problem" will sort out everything that is wrong in today's UK - Politically, financially, economically, employment wise, housing wise, benefits wise and crime wise. If they accept there is no immigration "problem" and in any case, that what numbers there were, are now falling daily under Labour; there isn't much necessity for Reform to exist and they all then have to go back to their humdrum lives like the rest of us!!

“You will never convince a Reform Supporter of the facts”

Is that because we’re all thick and spend most of our time in Wetherspoons?
Interesting how the new faux socialists, who despise working class people, believe they’re more intelligent, more discerning and generally more politically savvy , than those voting for Reform. It’s like a comfort blanket, for them.
Speaking personally, I know an end to uncontrolled mass economic migration won’t suddenly make everything right but to pretend migrants don’t commit a disproportionate amount of crime, particularly sexual crime, is simply denying reality. The lack of integration is very worrying. Many Muslims simply don’t want to assimilate. Indeed, as many of them boast, they don’t want to take part, they want to take over. Reform have pledged to levy a 4% tax on Amazon while scrapping business rates for independent high street businesses. They’ve pledged to stop the dinghies and reduce our unsustainable benefits bill. All these policies appeal to me. Labour have a weird voter base of the middle class, predominantly public sector employed and the benefits scrounging PIP scamming social parasite class. The former can then wallow in the virtue of caring for the latter.
Meanwhile Wales and the wider UK, continues to sink lower and lower.

What a load of bollocks

So, Sludge, Blemmy, Dinistr.....a question for you:

Are you happy with 25+ years of Labour/Plaid failure in Wales — yes or no?

No waffle. No politician’s answer.

If the answer is yes, then crack on — but don’t complain when Wales keeps lagging behind England.

If the answer is no, then surely it’s time to stop rewarding failure and try something different.

No , Labour need a bloody nose

Last decent leader was carwyn jones

Drakeford and all since total rubbish

Sludge,

Not quite:

Yes, immigration is controlled by the Home Office, not Wales. But “Nation of Sanctuary” isn’t just a UK scheme with a different name It' is the Welsh Government's policy about how asylum seekers etc are supported, by us tax payers, once they arrive.


And pretending it only affects “a few thousand people” is misleading. The numbers may be small compared to the population, but the impact is HUGE - especially on our shortage of housing, appalling local services, school spaces (or lack of them) and healthcare in busy towns/cities, which are already under pressure. It will only get worse unless someone like Reform grabs this country by the balls and does something.

English , Welsh , Scottish and Northern Ireland governments all have resettlement schemes ......its a legal requirement

Ours ...is called , stupidly .....nation of sanctuary

In scotland its something else ...but same sort of scheme .in northern ireland they called it the nothern ireland refugee resettlement scheme

I really cant be any clearer than that

Reform and you guys are painting the nation of sanctuary as some kind of open door policy .....but thats false .....its down to central uk government who comes or doesnt come ...the nation of sanctuary doesnt increase the number of people coming in ...it doesnt have the power to ..

Its no good pretending 0.057 percent of the welsh economy being spent on 3000 migrants is leading to no houses for ex squaddies or over crowded hospitals and schools ....

Population growth ...including legal immigration ......14 years of record figures under the conservatives.....is the problem and labour who are crap I agree , have cut that figure from 700000 per year to around 300000

Well said Sludge - and of course you are absolutely correct with the facts you have set out. The problem for Reform and why you will never convince a Reform supporter of the facts is that the cornerstone of their raison d'etre in UK politics is that dealing with the immigration "problem" will sort out everything that is wrong in today's UK - Politically, financially, economically, employment wise, housing wise, benefits wise and crime wise. If they accept there is no immigration "problem" and in any case, that what numbers there were, are now falling daily under Labour; there isn't much necessity for Reform to exist and they all then have to go back to their humdrum lives like the rest of us!!

“You will never convince a Reform Supporter of the facts”

Is that because we’re all thick and spend most of our time in Wetherspoons?
Interesting how the new faux socialists, who despise working class people, believe they’re more intelligent, more discerning and generally more politically savvy , than those voting for Reform. It’s like a comfort blanket, for them.
Speaking personally, I know an end to uncontrolled mass economic migration won’t suddenly make everything right but to pretend migrants don’t commit a disproportionate amount of crime, particularly sexual crime, is simply denying reality. The lack of integration is very worrying. Many Muslims simply don’t want to assimilate. Indeed, as many of them boast, they don’t want to take part, they want to take over. Reform have pledged to levy a 4% tax on Amazon while scrapping business rates for independent high street businesses. They’ve pledged to stop the dinghies and reduce our unsustainable benefits bill. All these policies appeal to me. Labour have a weird voter base of the middle class, predominantly public sector employed and the benefits scrounging PIP scamming social parasite class. The former can then wallow in the virtue of caring for the latter.
Meanwhile Wales and the wider UK, continues to sink lower and lower.

What a load of bollocks

Get a job you sponging social parasite.

So, Sludge, Blemmy, Dinistr.....a question for you:

Are you happy with 25+ years of Labour/Plaid failure in Wales — yes or no?

No waffle. No politician’s answer.

If the answer is yes, then crack on — but don’t complain when Wales keeps lagging behind England.

If the answer is no, then surely it’s time to stop rewarding failure and try something different.

Honestly no, not happy with Labour, they have been in power too long, gotten too complacent and inefficient and no longer hold the values that had me supporting them

Plaid have not been in power so don't know how you can say they've been a failure when they haven't had a chance. I will probably be voting for them, even though I don't agree with everything they stand for, they are the party that best fits my values and interests

And pretty much all the other parties have England interests first over Wales'. No matter who gets in (other than Plaid) I see us lagging behind England no matter what, unfortunately this is most true with right wing parties who constantly denigrate the Welsh Parliament and want to follow England and send our money to England

A fair response.

You have a consistent position, but there are a couple of gaps in what you write.

Saying Plaid “haven’t had a chance” isn’t entirely accurate. They’ve been part of Welsh Gov previously, including coalition and they have also had input on policy through cooperation agreements. So it’s not like they’re completely innocent with the mess that Wales is on. PC had input into decisions too.

On the “England-first” point, that gets mentioned – what are Labour? All UK-wide party operates across the UK and they’re not just acting in England’s best interests!

You might disagree with their policies, but that’s different from saying they’re not for Wales.

The bigger question is this: if you’re unhappy with how things have been run for 25+ years, does backing a party that’s already been involved with Labour really deliver the level of change you’re looking for, or just a variation of the same direction?

For many, PC are Labour MkII, only worse, which is what my take is.

I would prefer a wales , within the uk , run by a mix of plaid , labour and liberals , tories

I dont support indeoendence and if plaid start pushing that , I would vote lib dem or independent

Not interested in a free wales , it will never work

Sludge,

Not quite:

Yes, immigration is controlled by the Home Office, not Wales. But “Nation of Sanctuary” isn’t just a UK scheme with a different name It' is the Welsh Government's policy about how asylum seekers etc are supported, by us tax payers, once they arrive.


And pretending it only affects “a few thousand people” is misleading. The numbers may be small compared to the population, but the impact is HUGE - especially on our shortage of housing, appalling local services, school spaces (or lack of them) and healthcare in busy towns/cities, which are already under pressure. It will only get worse unless someone like Reform grabs this country by the balls and does something.

English , Welsh , Scottish and Northern Ireland governments all have resettlement schemes ......its a legal requirement

Ours ...is called , stupidly .....nation of sanctuary

In scotland its something else ...but same sort of scheme .in northern ireland they called it the nothern ireland refugee resettlement scheme

I really cant be any clearer than that

Reform and you guys are painting the nation of sanctuary as some kind of open door policy .....but thats false .....its down to central uk government who comes or doesnt come ...the nation of sanctuary doesnt increase the number of people coming in ...it doesnt have the power to ..

Its no good pretending 0.057 percent of the welsh economy being spent on 3000 migrants is leading to no houses for ex squaddies or over crowded hospitals and schools ....

Population growth ...including legal immigration ......14 years of record figures under the conservatives.....is the problem and labour who are crap I agree , have cut that figure from 700000 per year to around 300000

Well said Sludge - and of course you are absolutely correct with the facts you have set out. The problem for Reform and why you will never convince a Reform supporter of the facts is that the cornerstone of their raison d'etre in UK politics is that dealing with the immigration "problem" will sort out everything that is wrong in today's UK - Politically, financially, economically, employment wise, housing wise, benefits wise and crime wise. If they accept there is no immigration "problem" and in any case, that what numbers there were, are now falling daily under Labour; there isn't much necessity for Reform to exist and they all then have to go back to their humdrum lives like the rest of us!!

“You will never convince a Reform Supporter of the facts”

Is that because we’re all thick and spend most of our time in Wetherspoons?
Interesting how the new faux socialists, who despise working class people, believe they’re more intelligent, more discerning and generally more politically savvy , than those voting for Reform. It’s like a comfort blanket, for them.
Speaking personally, I know an end to uncontrolled mass economic migration won’t suddenly make everything right but to pretend migrants don’t commit a disproportionate amount of crime, particularly sexual crime, is simply denying reality. The lack of integration is very worrying. Many Muslims simply don’t want to assimilate. Indeed, as many of them boast, they don’t want to take part, they want to take over. Reform have pledged to levy a 4% tax on Amazon while scrapping business rates for independent high street businesses. They’ve pledged to stop the dinghies and reduce our unsustainable benefits bill. All these policies appeal to me. Labour have a weird voter base of the middle class, predominantly public sector employed and the benefits scrounging PIP scamming social parasite class. The former can then wallow in the virtue of caring for the latter.
Meanwhile Wales and the wider UK, continues to sink lower and lower.

What a load of bollocks

Get a job you sponging social parasite.

I have got one , its far too difficult for the likes of you to do though

Theres more to life than living on google you old puff

Sludge,

Not quite:

Yes, immigration is controlled by the Home Office, not Wales. But “Nation of Sanctuary” isn’t just a UK scheme with a different name It' is the Welsh Government's policy about how asylum seekers etc are supported, by us tax payers, once they arrive.


And pretending it only affects “a few thousand people” is misleading. The numbers may be small compared to the population, but the impact is HUGE - especially on our shortage of housing, appalling local services, school spaces (or lack of them) and healthcare in busy towns/cities, which are already under pressure. It will only get worse unless someone like Reform grabs this country by the balls and does something.

English , Welsh , Scottish and Northern Ireland governments all have resettlement schemes ......its a legal requirement

Ours ...is called , stupidly .....nation of sanctuary

In scotland its something else ...but same sort of scheme .in northern ireland they called it the nothern ireland refugee resettlement scheme

I really cant be any clearer than that

Reform and you guys are painting the nation of sanctuary as some kind of open door policy .....but thats false .....its down to central uk government who comes or doesnt come ...the nation of sanctuary doesnt increase the number of people coming in ...it doesnt have the power to ..

Its no good pretending 0.057 percent of the welsh economy being spent on 3000 migrants is leading to no houses for ex squaddies or over crowded hospitals and schools ....

Population growth ...including legal immigration ......14 years of record figures under the conservatives.....is the problem and labour who are crap I agree , have cut that figure from 700000 per year to around 300000

Well said Sludge - and of course you are absolutely correct with the facts you have set out. The problem for Reform and why you will never convince a Reform supporter of the facts is that the cornerstone of their raison d'etre in UK politics is that dealing with the immigration "problem" will sort out everything that is wrong in today's UK - Politically, financially, economically, employment wise, housing wise, benefits wise and crime wise. If they accept there is no immigration "problem" and in any case, that what numbers there were, are now falling daily under Labour; there isn't much necessity for Reform to exist and they all then have to go back to their humdrum lives like the rest of us!!

“You will never convince a Reform Supporter of the facts”

Is that because we’re all thick and spend most of our time in Wetherspoons?
Interesting how the new faux socialists, who despise working class people, believe they’re more intelligent, more discerning and generally more politically savvy , than those voting for Reform. It’s like a comfort blanket, for them.
Speaking personally, I know an end to uncontrolled mass economic migration won’t suddenly make everything right but to pretend migrants don’t commit a disproportionate amount of crime, particularly sexual crime, is simply denying reality. The lack of integration is very worrying. Many Muslims simply don’t want to assimilate. Indeed, as many of them boast, they don’t want to take part, they want to take over. Reform have pledged to levy a 4% tax on Amazon while scrapping business rates for independent high street businesses. They’ve pledged to stop the dinghies and reduce our unsustainable benefits bill. All these policies appeal to me. Labour have a weird voter base of the middle class, predominantly public sector employed and the benefits scrounging PIP scamming social parasite class. The former can then wallow in the virtue of caring for the latter.
Meanwhile Wales and the wider UK, continues to sink lower and lower.

What a load of bollocks

Get a job you sponging social parasite.

I have got one , its far too difficult for the likes of you to do though

Theres more to life than living on google you old puff

What do you mean there isn't an immigration "problem" I don't know if you've noticed migrant hotels popping up, that means we've completely run out of places to house them, that's not normal, the NHS gets worse every year too many people, the roads get worse too many people. The infrastructure we have is over capacity. You can't stick your head in the sand and pretend it's not happening and yes stopping people coming and then building more of everything is the way you fix it

So, Sludge, Blemmy, Dinistr.....a question for you:

Are you happy with 25+ years of Labour/Plaid failure in Wales — yes or no?

No waffle. No politician’s answer.

If the answer is yes, then crack on — but don’t complain when Wales keeps lagging behind England.

If the answer is no, then surely it’s time to stop rewarding failure and try something different.

To date Labour have not done all the things that I would have expected them to do but I still feel they have achieved many socialist advances and are reducing the number of immigrants although I never felt that issue was a bad as Reform were making out. I also cannot believe what Reform are telling us that if we send less than 1% of the population back to their country of origin that all our ills will disappear either!! We can bandy about whether this is good or this is bad until our toes turn blue but let me ask you one thing Woodruff. You feel that Wales and the UK generally needs change and you feel Reform will deliver that change. How do you correlate that with the fact that Farage has filled Reform's senior positions with the same gang of lying, corrupt, self-centred and incompetent Tories who subjected the UK to 14 years of systematic misery so much so that the good people of the UK showed the Tories the door for a long time in 2024?

Sludge,

Not quite:

Yes, immigration is controlled by the Home Office, not Wales. But “Nation of Sanctuary” isn’t just a UK scheme with a different name It' is the Welsh Government's policy about how asylum seekers etc are supported, by us tax payers, once they arrive.


And pretending it only affects “a few thousand people” is misleading. The numbers may be small compared to the population, but the impact is HUGE - especially on our shortage of housing, appalling local services, school spaces (or lack of them) and healthcare in busy towns/cities, which are already under pressure. It will only get worse unless someone like Reform grabs this country by the balls and does something.

English , Welsh , Scottish and Northern Ireland governments all have resettlement schemes ......its a legal requirement

Ours ...is called , stupidly .....nation of sanctuary

In scotland its something else ...but same sort of scheme .in northern ireland they called it the nothern ireland refugee resettlement scheme

I really cant be any clearer than that

Reform and you guys are painting the nation of sanctuary as some kind of open door policy .....but thats false .....its down to central uk government who comes or doesnt come ...the nation of sanctuary doesnt increase the number of people coming in ...it doesnt have the power to ..

Its no good pretending 0.057 percent of the welsh economy being spent on 3000 migrants is leading to no houses for ex squaddies or over crowded hospitals and schools ....

Population growth ...including legal immigration ......14 years of record figures under the conservatives.....is the problem and labour who are crap I agree , have cut that figure from 700000 per year to around 300000

Well said Sludge - and of course you are absolutely correct with the facts you have set out. The problem for Reform and why you will never convince a Reform supporter of the facts is that the cornerstone of their raison d'etre in UK politics is that dealing with the immigration "problem" will sort out everything that is wrong in today's UK - Politically, financially, economically, employment wise, housing wise, benefits wise and crime wise. If they accept there is no immigration "problem" and in any case, that what numbers there were, are now falling daily under Labour; there isn't much necessity for Reform to exist and they all then have to go back to their humdrum lives like the rest of us!!

“You will never convince a Reform Supporter of the facts”

Is that because we’re all thick and spend most of our time in Wetherspoons?
Interesting how the new faux socialists, who despise working class people, believe they’re more intelligent, more discerning and generally more politically savvy , than those voting for Reform. It’s like a comfort blanket, for them.
Speaking personally, I know an end to uncontrolled mass economic migration won’t suddenly make everything right but to pretend migrants don’t commit a disproportionate amount of crime, particularly sexual crime, is simply denying reality. The lack of integration is very worrying. Many Muslims simply don’t want to assimilate. Indeed, as many of them boast, they don’t want to take part, they want to take over. Reform have pledged to levy a 4% tax on Amazon while scrapping business rates for independent high street businesses. They’ve pledged to stop the dinghies and reduce our unsustainable benefits bill. All these policies appeal to me. Labour have a weird voter base of the middle class, predominantly public sector employed and the benefits scrounging PIP scamming social parasite class. The former can then wallow in the virtue of caring for the latter.
Meanwhile Wales and the wider UK, continues to sink lower and lower.

What a load of bollocks

Get a job you sponging social parasite.

I have got one , its far too difficult for the likes of you to do though

Theres more to life than living on google you old puff

What do you mean there isn't an immigration "problem" I don't know if you've noticed migrant hotels popping up, that means we've completely run out of places to house them, that's not normal, the NHS gets worse every year too many people, the roads get worse too many people. The infrastructure we have is over capacity. You can't stick your head in the sand and pretend it's not happening and yes stopping people coming and then building more of everything is the way you fix it

Even 5 immigrants in 3 million would be too many for some people

Theres a small immigrant population in Wales , its certainly not wrecking the country

All immigration needs managing which is where in certain parts of the uk there is problems

But the roads and NHS in Wales is not in a bad way because of immigrants

In fact the NHS and care industry would collapse if it wasnt for immigrants , certainly in South Wales

The local carers I see are all from india , Africa , Eastern Europe

Ok , wales is not a " sanctuary nation "

We are not letting in or encouraging in thousands of immigrants , refugees etc

The name sanctuary was a stupid name to choose for the welsh version of what happens in england , scotland and northern ireland .....its all funded by central westminster government

And its to help new arrivals do what you want .....integrate , fit in , learn our language , our culture , our laws

Isnt that what you want of immigrants ?

Wales does not control immigration .....thats controlled by the uk government

We don' t want new arrivals period.