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Re: KEIR STARMERS A W.NKER

Sat Mar 28, 2026 12:21 pm

It’s quite pathetic how hysterical they get over anyone “not on their side”.

Their side has had a monopoly for decades. In wales it’s only EVER been left wing parties.

What, those us that want less bureaucracy, lower taxes and less state meddling aren’t allowed a representative option or a voice?

I’ve no idea who that lad was with the “nazi” gesture but he was clearly taking the mick.

Labour, plaid, tories. They have all had members in hay have done far worse things.

Re: KEIR STARMERS A W.NKER

Sat Mar 28, 2026 7:21 pm

MikeO76 wrote:
Sludge wrote:
New Day Rising wrote:
Sludge wrote:Lots of people would also like to add " and so is Nigel Farage "

I would be up for a sort of medley singalong

Add in Trump who has made certain our energy and petrol bills are going to go up big time with his stupid war

He can also have a chorus ?


Farage & Trump simply don't like you .

Drop them a line .. with your thoughts .


70 percent of the country , a huge majority , dont vote reform

You carry on with these ideas EVERYONE agrees with you

:clap:

Which leaves 30% who will vote reform. Enough to win a GE.


Are you fruutcakes not shouting that starmers a wanker ...he is but farage is worse ..and we HAVE to have a general election NOW ?!

On the basis that only 34 percent of the people voted for him ?

But if Reform win the election on even less ?

What happens then , apart from you vanishing and keeping very quiet ?

Re: KEIR STARMERS A W.NKER

Sat Mar 28, 2026 7:24 pm

welshrarebit wrote:It’s quite pathetic how hysterical they get over anyone “not on their side”.

Their side has had a monopoly for decades. In wales it’s only EVER been left wing parties.

What, those us that want less bureaucracy, lower taxes and less state meddling aren’t allowed a representative option or a voice?

I’ve no idea who that lad was with the “nazi” gesture but he was clearly taking the mick.

Labour, plaid, tories. They have all had members in hay have done far worse things.


Was Thatcher who ruled the UK and Wales from 79 to 1991 left wing ?

John Major ?

Did these two have 16 years of running the country as right wing conseratives ?

Re: KEIR STARMERS A W.NKER

Sat Mar 28, 2026 7:31 pm

welshrarebit wrote:For decades we have had continued drip drip drip increase of population level managerialism. And we get to pay for the privilege.

Will reform fix it? No idea. Are they the only ones that at least haven't been doing it already? Yes.

I say this as someone politically centre right who wants to be left alone and not have almost half my income taken off me which varies according to what they fancy doing one year to the next.

Conservatives? They had 14 years to continue it.
Labour? Started it with Blair and in Wales don't give a damn what the people actually want. Just manage us harder and harder

Plaid? Labour dressed up as nationalism gaslighting everyone in to voting for them because they are "pro Wales". Nah. Many of the most frustrating senedd policies have come as a price for propping up labour.

Ive had enough. I'll never vote socialism based policies. The needle has swung too far and needs to be balanced out.

I'll be giving reform a shot here and UK level. If all they do is not mess things up as much as the current and previous administrations have it will be an improvement


So you are not a socialist and have never voted in that way but are now going to back reform

In Wales we have had a population increase but the amount down to immigration , apart from Cardiff , Newport , is very very small

I dont understand why taffies ...welll the 30 percent .....who back reform go on and on about immigration , its very small in Wales

Its very odd

Re: KEIR STARMERS A W.NKER

Sat Mar 28, 2026 7:36 pm

Jock wrote:Corey Edwards, the young Welsh Reform Candidate, has resigned. He did a Fawlty Towers type “Nazi” salute, while holding his index finger under his nose. Unbelievably (or perhaps not) the new pretend left have taken offence, claiming it’s in support of Nazism. I’ll have to check but I don’t recall the crowds at the Nuremberg Rallies, ripping the piss out of Der Furhers moustache
What a tragic country we’ve become.


You find the fact that a reform candidate did a nazi salute and has been sacked unbelieveable ?

It doesnt surprise me at all that you do but if people like you have a nervous breakdown when they see a pro palestine banner then dont you think a lot of people have the same right to be offended by a possible political party MP of the future doing a nazi salute ?

If you can be offended by a crap prime minister then its surely ok for people to be offended by that gesture ?

You are a hypocrite

Re: KEIR STARMERS A W.NKER

Sat Mar 28, 2026 8:40 pm

The irony of calling people Nazi's when nobody hates the Jews more than the left

Re: KEIR STARMERS A W.NKER

Sat Mar 28, 2026 8:58 pm

Sludge wrote:
welshrarebit wrote:It’s quite pathetic how hysterical they get over anyone “not on their side”.

Their side has had a monopoly for decades. In wales it’s only EVER been left wing parties.

What, those us that want less bureaucracy, lower taxes and less state meddling aren’t allowed a representative option or a voice?

I’ve no idea who that lad was with the “nazi” gesture but he was clearly taking the mick.

Labour, plaid, tories. They have all had members in hay have done far worse things.


Was Thatcher who ruled the UK and Wales from 79 to 1991 left wing ?

John Major ?

Did these two have 16 years of running the country as right wing conseratives ?


We didnt have the senedd then I am referring to the senedd primarly in my comments.

But thatcher was certainly centre right and I would vote for her now should she bed an option, My ideal would be a Javier Milei if we were picking a political ethos.

Major was probably the start of the rot.

Re: KEIR STARMERS A W.NKER

Sat Mar 28, 2026 9:22 pm

Sludge wrote:
welshrarebit wrote:For decades we have had continued drip drip drip increase of population level managerialism. And we get to pay for the privilege.

Will reform fix it? No idea. Are they the only ones that at least haven't been doing it already? Yes.

I say this as someone politically centre right who wants to be left alone and not have almost half my income taken off me which varies according to what they fancy doing one year to the next.

Conservatives? They had 14 years to continue it.
Labour? Started it with Blair and in Wales don't give a damn what the people actually want. Just manage us harder and harder

Plaid? Labour dressed up as nationalism gaslighting everyone in to voting for them because they are "pro Wales". Nah. Many of the most frustrating senedd policies have come as a price for propping up labour.

Ive had enough. I'll never vote socialism based policies. The needle has swung too far and needs to be balanced out.

I'll be giving reform a shot here and UK level. If all they do is not mess things up as much as the current and previous administrations have it will be an improvement


So you are not a socialist and have never voted in that way but are now going to back reform

In Wales we have had a population increase but the amount down to immigration , apart from Cardiff , Newport , is very very small

I dont understand why taffies ...welll the 30 percent .....who back reform go on and on about immigration , its very small in Wales

Its very odd



Interesting you mentioned immigration. I didn't.

They are not a single policy party. I fell it is disingenuous for you to level assumptions like that against people.
I will highlight some of their proposals I agree with, apologies for caps. I have copied and pasted. I have ignored some of the more wishy washy points that while I want to see happen, they are clearly aspirational.

END TAXPAYER FUNDING OF POLITICALLY BIASED NGOS

The money from the block grant is for the people of Wales to benefit the people of Wales

MAKE GOVERNMENT POLICY BASED ON BIOLOGICAL SEX

I agree with that. By all means treat all people fairly and with respect. but biological sex is for me the right way to determine policy.

CIVIL SERVICE PAY RESTRAINT AND REDUCTIONS

The country is skint. Get past healthcare, fire police, armed forces and the like and these tax payer funded roles are fundamentally cash removing. They will never pay more in tax than they take out. When these jobs are funded by ever decreasing private sector roles, more balance needs to be achieved to ensure the money is available for other areas necessitating spend. Continuous growth of publicly funded jobs is unsustainable. Add in we have a fixed budget in Wales and it gets even more important to keep a grip on spending

LESS AND BETTER REGULATION

I alluded to this earlier. "Govern me harder!!" No thanks. We are over regulated and it throttles the life out of innovation and business let alone individual freedoms.

BUSINESS RATES REFORM

Slash them! Let business thrive. Lets be the best place in the UK to set up businesses. Its good for everyone.

PRIORITISE PROCUREMENT WITH LOCAL FIRMS, SUBJECT TO VALUE
FOR MONEY

I am all for buying and investing locally. We should be aiming for potentially being self sufficient for the essentials.


REVIEW LEGISLATION AND REASSERT MINISTERIAL AUTHORITY OVER
HEALTH BOARDS

I agree in principle. I would go further and slash the number of healthboards. They are a money pit and lead to differentials in care and contractual interpretations for providers.

20MPH

I agree with a sensible approach to this. It was horrendously implemented.

M4 relief road - I want it. Open the country up.

yes I wasnt more sustainable transport options. But there is a bottleneck at brynglas that is bad for the environment and bad for business in Wales. Fix it with action not concepts

DEFEND FREE SPEECH AND ACADEMIC FREEDOM
I am a free speech absolutist. Always have been. Let the world see if you are a nice person or not and make their own minds up. Dont silence or cancel people.

SUPPORT FURTHER AND VOCATIONAL EDUCATION

yep. Give people trades and help people become their own bosses

ACT AS AN ENABLER, NOT AN OBSTACLE, TO NUCLEAR POWER:

I am all for nuclear power.

GET TOUGH ON FLY-TIPPING

100%

REFORM THE 182-DAY RULE

didnt agree with it in the first place.

END THE WALES HOSPITALITY PENALTY

make us a hospitality hub. Stop seeing everyone as an opportunity to steal cash.



I am also for their plan to reduce income tax


i didnt mention immigration nor will I. There is more to it than that for me.

Re: KEIR STARMERS A W.NKER

Sun Mar 29, 2026 7:40 am

welshrarebit wrote:
Sludge wrote:
welshrarebit wrote:For decades we have had continued drip drip drip increase of population level managerialism. And we get to pay for the privilege.

Will reform fix it? No idea. Are they the only ones that at least haven't been doing it already? Yes.

I say this as someone politically centre right who wants to be left alone and not have almost half my income taken off me which varies according to what they fancy doing one year to the next.

Conservatives? They had 14 years to continue it.
Labour? Started it with Blair and in Wales don't give a damn what the people actually want. Just manage us harder and harder

Plaid? Labour dressed up as nationalism gaslighting everyone in to voting for them because they are "pro Wales". Nah. Many of the most frustrating senedd policies have come as a price for propping up labour.

Ive had enough. I'll never vote socialism based policies. The needle has swung too far and needs to be balanced out.

I'll be giving reform a shot here and UK level. If all they do is not mess things up as much as the current and previous administrations have it will be an improvement


So you are not a socialist and have never voted in that way but are now going to back reform

In Wales we have had a population increase but the amount down to immigration , apart from Cardiff , Newport , is very very small

I dont understand why taffies ...welll the 30 percent .....who back reform go on and on about immigration , its very small in Wales

Its very odd



Interesting you mentioned immigration. I didn't.

They are not a single policy party. I fell it is disingenuous for you to level assumptions like that against people.
I will highlight some of their proposals I agree with, apologies for caps. I have copied and pasted. I have ignored some of the more wishy washy points that while I want to see happen, they are clearly aspirational.

END TAXPAYER FUNDING OF POLITICALLY BIASED NGOS

The money from the block grant is for the people of Wales to benefit the people of Wales

MAKE GOVERNMENT POLICY BASED ON BIOLOGICAL SEX

I agree with that. By all means treat all people fairly and with respect. but biological sex is for me the right way to determine policy.

CIVIL SERVICE PAY RESTRAINT AND REDUCTIONS

The country is skint. Get past healthcare, fire police, armed forces and the like and these tax payer funded roles are fundamentally cash removing. They will never pay more in tax than they take out. When these jobs are funded by ever decreasing private sector roles, more balance needs to be achieved to ensure the money is available for other areas necessitating spend. Continuous growth of publicly funded jobs is unsustainable. Add in we have a fixed budget in Wales and it gets even more important to keep a grip on spending

LESS AND BETTER REGULATION

I alluded to this earlier. "Govern me harder!!" No thanks. We are over regulated and it throttles the life out of innovation and business let alone individual freedoms.

BUSINESS RATES REFORM

Slash them! Let business thrive. Lets be the best place in the UK to set up businesses. Its good for everyone.

PRIORITISE PROCUREMENT WITH LOCAL FIRMS, SUBJECT TO VALUE
FOR MONEY

I am all for buying and investing locally. We should be aiming for potentially being self sufficient for the essentials.


REVIEW LEGISLATION AND REASSERT MINISTERIAL AUTHORITY OVER
HEALTH BOARDS

I agree in principle. I would go further and slash the number of healthboards. They are a money pit and lead to differentials in care and contractual interpretations for providers.

20MPH

I agree with a sensible approach to this. It was horrendously implemented.

M4 relief road - I want it. Open the country up.

yes I wasnt more sustainable transport options. But there is a bottleneck at brynglas that is bad for the environment and bad for business in Wales. Fix it with action not concepts

DEFEND FREE SPEECH AND ACADEMIC FREEDOM
I am a free speech absolutist. Always have been. Let the world see if you are a nice person or not and make their own minds up. Dont silence or cancel people.

SUPPORT FURTHER AND VOCATIONAL EDUCATION

yep. Give people trades and help people become their own bosses

ACT AS AN ENABLER, NOT AN OBSTACLE, TO NUCLEAR POWER:

I am all for nuclear power.

GET TOUGH ON FLY-TIPPING

100%

REFORM THE 182-DAY RULE

didnt agree with it in the first place.

END THE WALES HOSPITALITY PENALTY

make us a hospitality hub. Stop seeing everyone as an opportunity to steal cash.



I am also for their plan to reduce income tax


i didnt mention immigration nor will I. There is more to it than that for me.

I’m on board with everything you’ve quoted. Welsh Labour/plaid are ideologues, who lack pragmatism. Their virtue signaling is nauseating, imagine sending £20m to Uganda, to plant trees. The lazy social parasites think this is great, because they pay no tax.

Re: KEIR STARMERS A W.NKER

Sun Mar 29, 2026 8:58 am

Sludge wrote:
MikeO76 wrote:
Sludge wrote:
New Day Rising wrote:
Sludge wrote:Lots of people would also like to add " and so is Nigel Farage "

I would be up for a sort of medley singalong

Add in Trump who has made certain our energy and petrol bills are going to go up big time with his stupid war

He can also have a chorus ?


Farage & Trump simply don't like you .

Drop them a line .. with your thoughts .


70 percent of the country , a huge majority , dont vote reform

You carry on with these ideas EVERYONE agrees with you

:clap:

Which leaves 30% who will vote reform. Enough to win a GE.


Are you fruutcakes not shouting that starmers a wanker ...he is but farage is worse ..and we HAVE to have a general election NOW ?!

On the basis that only 34 percent of the people voted for him ?

But if Reform win the election on even less ?

What happens then , apart from you vanishing and keeping very quiet ?

I don't think anyone on here is saying they will chant starmer is a wanker at the CCS or bring political flags or banners to games.

We will have a GE sometime in the next 3 years and I think we can all agree that if starmer is still in the hot seat at that time, labour will not win.

If reform do win the GE then yes I probably will be quitet, less to moan about :thumbright:

Re: KEIR STARMERS A W.NKER

Sun Mar 29, 2026 8:59 am

Jock wrote:
welshrarebit wrote:
Sludge wrote:
welshrarebit wrote:For decades we have had continued drip drip drip increase of population level managerialism. And we get to pay for the privilege.

Will reform fix it? No idea. Are they the only ones that at least haven't been doing it already? Yes.

I say this as someone politically centre right who wants to be left alone and not have almost half my income taken off me which varies according to what they fancy doing one year to the next.

Conservatives? They had 14 years to continue it.
Labour? Started it with Blair and in Wales don't give a damn what the people actually want. Just manage us harder and harder

Plaid? Labour dressed up as nationalism gaslighting everyone in to voting for them because they are "pro Wales". Nah. Many of the most frustrating senedd policies have come as a price for propping up labour.

Ive had enough. I'll never vote socialism based policies. The needle has swung too far and needs to be balanced out.

I'll be giving reform a shot here and UK level. If all they do is not mess things up as much as the current and previous administrations have it will be an improvement


So you are not a socialist and have never voted in that way but are now going to back reform

In Wales we have had a population increase but the amount down to immigration , apart from Cardiff , Newport , is very very small

I dont understand why taffies ...welll the 30 percent .....who back reform go on and on about immigration , its very small in Wales

Its very odd



Interesting you mentioned immigration. I didn't.

They are not a single policy party. I fell it is disingenuous for you to level assumptions like that against people.
I will highlight some of their proposals I agree with, apologies for caps. I have copied and pasted. I have ignored some of the more wishy washy points that while I want to see happen, they are clearly aspirational.

END TAXPAYER FUNDING OF POLITICALLY BIASED NGOS

The money from the block grant is for the people of Wales to benefit the people of Wales

MAKE GOVERNMENT POLICY BASED ON BIOLOGICAL SEX

I agree with that. By all means treat all people fairly and with respect. but biological sex is for me the right way to determine policy.

CIVIL SERVICE PAY RESTRAINT AND REDUCTIONS

The country is skint. Get past healthcare, fire police, armed forces and the like and these tax payer funded roles are fundamentally cash removing. They will never pay more in tax than they take out. When these jobs are funded by ever decreasing private sector roles, more balance needs to be achieved to ensure the money is available for other areas necessitating spend. Continuous growth of publicly funded jobs is unsustainable. Add in we have a fixed budget in Wales and it gets even more important to keep a grip on spending

LESS AND BETTER REGULATION

I alluded to this earlier. "Govern me harder!!" No thanks. We are over regulated and it throttles the life out of innovation and business let alone individual freedoms.

BUSINESS RATES REFORM

Slash them! Let business thrive. Lets be the best place in the UK to set up businesses. Its good for everyone.

PRIORITISE PROCUREMENT WITH LOCAL FIRMS, SUBJECT TO VALUE
FOR MONEY

I am all for buying and investing locally. We should be aiming for potentially being self sufficient for the essentials.


REVIEW LEGISLATION AND REASSERT MINISTERIAL AUTHORITY OVER
HEALTH BOARDS

I agree in principle. I would go further and slash the number of healthboards. They are a money pit and lead to differentials in care and contractual interpretations for providers.

20MPH

I agree with a sensible approach to this. It was horrendously implemented.

M4 relief road - I want it. Open the country up.

yes I wasnt more sustainable transport options. But there is a bottleneck at brynglas that is bad for the environment and bad for business in Wales. Fix it with action not concepts

DEFEND FREE SPEECH AND ACADEMIC FREEDOM
I am a free speech absolutist. Always have been. Let the world see if you are a nice person or not and make their own minds up. Dont silence or cancel people.

SUPPORT FURTHER AND VOCATIONAL EDUCATION

yep. Give people trades and help people become their own bosses

ACT AS AN ENABLER, NOT AN OBSTACLE, TO NUCLEAR POWER:

I am all for nuclear power.

GET TOUGH ON FLY-TIPPING

100%

REFORM THE 182-DAY RULE

didnt agree with it in the first place.

END THE WALES HOSPITALITY PENALTY

make us a hospitality hub. Stop seeing everyone as an opportunity to steal cash.



I am also for their plan to reduce income tax


i didnt mention immigration nor will I. There is more to it than that for me.

I’m on board with everything you’ve quoted. Welsh Labour/plaid are ideologues, who lack pragmatism. Their virtue signaling is nauseating, imagine sending £20m to Uganda, to plant trees. The lazy social parasites think this is great, because they pay no tax.

Totally agree with you both :thumbup:

Re: KEIR STARMERS A W.NKER

Sun Mar 29, 2026 5:06 pm

Jock wrote:
welshrarebit wrote:
Sludge wrote:
welshrarebit wrote:For decades we have had continued drip drip drip increase of population level managerialism. And we get to pay for the privilege.

Will reform fix it? No idea. Are they the only ones that at least haven't been doing it already? Yes.

I say this as someone politically centre right who wants to be left alone and not have almost half my income taken off me which varies according to what they fancy doing one year to the next.

Conservatives? They had 14 years to continue it.
Labour? Started it with Blair and in Wales don't give a damn what the people actually want. Just manage us harder and harder

Plaid? Labour dressed up as nationalism gaslighting everyone in to voting for them because they are "pro Wales". Nah. Many of the most frustrating senedd policies have come as a price for propping up labour.

Ive had enough. I'll never vote socialism based policies. The needle has swung too far and needs to be balanced out.

I'll be giving reform a shot here and UK level. If all they do is not mess things up as much as the current and previous administrations have it will be an improvement


So you are not a socialist and have never voted in that way but are now going to back reform

In Wales we have had a population increase but the amount down to immigration , apart from Cardiff , Newport , is very very small

I dont understand why taffies ...welll the 30 percent .....who back reform go on and on about immigration , its very small in Wales

Its very odd



Interesting you mentioned immigration. I didn't.

They are not a single policy party. I fell it is disingenuous for you to level assumptions like that against people.
I will highlight some of their proposals I agree with, apologies for caps. I have copied and pasted. I have ignored some of the more wishy washy points that while I want to see happen, they are clearly aspirational.

END TAXPAYER FUNDING OF POLITICALLY BIASED NGOS

The money from the block grant is for the people of Wales to benefit the people of Wales

MAKE GOVERNMENT POLICY BASED ON BIOLOGICAL SEX

I agree with that. By all means treat all people fairly and with respect. but biological sex is for me the right way to determine policy.

CIVIL SERVICE PAY RESTRAINT AND REDUCTIONS

The country is skint. Get past healthcare, fire police, armed forces and the like and these tax payer funded roles are fundamentally cash removing. They will never pay more in tax than they take out. When these jobs are funded by ever decreasing private sector roles, more balance needs to be achieved to ensure the money is available for other areas necessitating spend. Continuous growth of publicly funded jobs is unsustainable. Add in we have a fixed budget in Wales and it gets even more important to keep a grip on spending

LESS AND BETTER REGULATION

I alluded to this earlier. "Govern me harder!!" No thanks. We are over regulated and it throttles the life out of innovation and business let alone individual freedoms.

BUSINESS RATES REFORM

Slash them! Let business thrive. Lets be the best place in the UK to set up businesses. Its good for everyone.

PRIORITISE PROCUREMENT WITH LOCAL FIRMS, SUBJECT TO VALUE
FOR MONEY

I am all for buying and investing locally. We should be aiming for potentially being self sufficient for the essentials.


REVIEW LEGISLATION AND REASSERT MINISTERIAL AUTHORITY OVER
HEALTH BOARDS

I agree in principle. I would go further and slash the number of healthboards. They are a money pit and lead to differentials in care and contractual interpretations for providers.

20MPH

I agree with a sensible approach to this. It was horrendously implemented.

M4 relief road - I want it. Open the country up.

yes I wasnt more sustainable transport options. But there is a bottleneck at brynglas that is bad for the environment and bad for business in Wales. Fix it with action not concepts

DEFEND FREE SPEECH AND ACADEMIC FREEDOM
I am a free speech absolutist. Always have been. Let the world see if you are a nice person or not and make their own minds up. Dont silence or cancel people.

SUPPORT FURTHER AND VOCATIONAL EDUCATION

yep. Give people trades and help people become their own bosses

ACT AS AN ENABLER, NOT AN OBSTACLE, TO NUCLEAR POWER:

I am all for nuclear power.

GET TOUGH ON FLY-TIPPING

100%

REFORM THE 182-DAY RULE

didnt agree with it in the first place.

END THE WALES HOSPITALITY PENALTY

make us a hospitality hub. Stop seeing everyone as an opportunity to steal cash.



I am also for their plan to reduce income tax


i didnt mention immigration nor will I. There is more to it than that for me.

I’m on board with everything you’ve quoted. Welsh Labour/plaid are ideologues, who lack pragmatism. Their virtue signaling is nauseating, imagine sending £20m to Uganda, to plant trees. The lazy social parasites think this is great, because they pay no tax.



That money comes from the block grant. It is OUR money. It is intended to run our services and fund our public workers.

I disagree with it being sent from Westminster but at least it can be taken from the foreign aid budget.
The Senedd should not be allowed to give OUR money away to other countries like that. We shouldn't be spending a single penny on overseas aid, it should all and only come from central governments budgets.

They cant go giving this money away on one hand then claim they don't have enough money on the other. It is all well and good Will whats his name at WOL saying it is only a small proportion of the budget. It shouldn't be ANY proportion of the budget.

AND it wouldn't happen at all if Plaid weren't happy with it.

We have had, what, 27 years of Labour doing whatever the hell they like ably supported by Plaid. They choose to do these things to the detriment of Wales while finding ways to try and tax us more and make us less competitive while ignoring clear frustrating issues with infrastructure and strangulation of business. All while claiming firstly the Tories and now Reform are the evil boogeymen. I do think the Welsh conservatives would be rubbish as I am yet to see many coherent policies from them. They are happy to be on the gravy train too. But it is pure gaslighting to blame people that have been no where near power. The only people to blame are Labour, Plaid and the occasional singular Lib Dem

Re: KEIR STARMERS A W.NKER

Mon Mar 30, 2026 2:48 pm

Starvinmarvin wrote:The irony of calling people Nazi's when nobody hates the Jews more than the left


The 43 group were mostly socialists

Airline Pilots of polish origin fleeing nazi germany to fight for Brtiain over the skies of the english channel ? Mostly socialists who settled in the uk , many joining the labour party

You have been drinking too much

Re: KEIR STARMERS A W.NKER

Mon Mar 30, 2026 2:52 pm

welshrarebit wrote:
Sludge wrote:
welshrarebit wrote:For decades we have had continued drip drip drip increase of population level managerialism. And we get to pay for the privilege.

Will reform fix it? No idea. Are they the only ones that at least haven't been doing it already? Yes.

I say this as someone politically centre right who wants to be left alone and not have almost half my income taken off me which varies according to what they fancy doing one year to the next.

Conservatives? They had 14 years to continue it.
Labour? Started it with Blair and in Wales don't give a damn what the people actually want. Just manage us harder and harder

Plaid? Labour dressed up as nationalism gaslighting everyone in to voting for them because they are "pro Wales". Nah. Many of the most frustrating senedd policies have come as a price for propping up labour.

Ive had enough. I'll never vote socialism based policies. The needle has swung too far and needs to be balanced out.

I'll be giving reform a shot here and UK level. If all they do is not mess things up as much as the current and previous administrations have it will be an improvement


So you are not a socialist and have never voted in that way but are now going to back reform

In Wales we have had a population increase but the amount down to immigration , apart from Cardiff , Newport , is very very small

I dont understand why taffies ...welll the 30 percent .....who back reform go on and on about immigration , its very small in Wales

Its very odd



Interesting you mentioned immigration. I didn't.

They are not a single policy party. I fell it is disingenuous for you to level assumptions like that against people.
I will highlight some of their proposals I agree with, apologies for caps. I have copied and pasted. I have ignored some of the more wishy washy points that while I want to see happen, they are clearly aspirational.

END TAXPAYER FUNDING OF POLITICALLY BIASED NGOS

The money from the block grant is for the people of Wales to benefit the people of Wales

MAKE GOVERNMENT POLICY BASED ON BIOLOGICAL SEX

I agree with that. By all means treat all people fairly and with respect. but biological sex is for me the right way to determine policy.

CIVIL SERVICE PAY RESTRAINT AND REDUCTIONS

The country is skint. Get past healthcare, fire police, armed forces and the like and these tax payer funded roles are fundamentally cash removing. They will never pay more in tax than they take out. When these jobs are funded by ever decreasing private sector roles, more balance needs to be achieved to ensure the money is available for other areas necessitating spend. Continuous growth of publicly funded jobs is unsustainable. Add in we have a fixed budget in Wales and it gets even more important to keep a grip on spending

LESS AND BETTER REGULATION

I alluded to this earlier. "Govern me harder!!" No thanks. We are over regulated and it throttles the life out of innovation and business let alone individual freedoms.

BUSINESS RATES REFORM

Slash them! Let business thrive. Lets be the best place in the UK to set up businesses. Its good for everyone.

PRIORITISE PROCUREMENT WITH LOCAL FIRMS, SUBJECT TO VALUE
FOR MONEY

I am all for buying and investing locally. We should be aiming for potentially being self sufficient for the essentials.


REVIEW LEGISLATION AND REASSERT MINISTERIAL AUTHORITY OVER
HEALTH BOARDS

I agree in principle. I would go further and slash the number of healthboards. They are a money pit and lead to differentials in care and contractual interpretations for providers.

20MPH

I agree with a sensible approach to this. It was horrendously implemented.

M4 relief road - I want it. Open the country up.

yes I wasnt more sustainable transport options. But there is a bottleneck at brynglas that is bad for the environment and bad for business in Wales. Fix it with action not concepts

DEFEND FREE SPEECH AND ACADEMIC FREEDOM
I am a free speech absolutist. Always have been. Let the world see if you are a nice person or not and make their own minds up. Dont silence or cancel people.

SUPPORT FURTHER AND VOCATIONAL EDUCATION

yep. Give people trades and help people become their own bosses

ACT AS AN ENABLER, NOT AN OBSTACLE, TO NUCLEAR POWER:

I am all for nuclear power.

GET TOUGH ON FLY-TIPPING

100%

REFORM THE 182-DAY RULE

didnt agree with it in the first place.

END THE WALES HOSPITALITY PENALTY

make us a hospitality hub. Stop seeing everyone as an opportunity to steal cash.



I am also for their plan to reduce income tax


i didnt mention immigration nor will I. There is more to it than that for me.


You know as well as anyone else that Reforms stance on immigration is the reason why they have 30 percent of the population voting for them

You can kid yourself all day long that its their " business " policy

Re: KEIR STARMERS A W.NKER

Mon Mar 30, 2026 2:54 pm

Jock wrote:
welshrarebit wrote:
Sludge wrote:
welshrarebit wrote:For decades we have had continued drip drip drip increase of population level managerialism. And we get to pay for the privilege.

Will reform fix it? No idea. Are they the only ones that at least haven't been doing it already? Yes.

I say this as someone politically centre right who wants to be left alone and not have almost half my income taken off me which varies according to what they fancy doing one year to the next.

Conservatives? They had 14 years to continue it.
Labour? Started it with Blair and in Wales don't give a damn what the people actually want. Just manage us harder and harder

Plaid? Labour dressed up as nationalism gaslighting everyone in to voting for them because they are "pro Wales". Nah. Many of the most frustrating senedd policies have come as a price for propping up labour.

Ive had enough. I'll never vote socialism based policies. The needle has swung too far and needs to be balanced out.

I'll be giving reform a shot here and UK level. If all they do is not mess things up as much as the current and previous administrations have it will be an improvement


So you are not a socialist and have never voted in that way but are now going to back reform

In Wales we have had a population increase but the amount down to immigration , apart from Cardiff , Newport , is very very small

I dont understand why taffies ...welll the 30 percent .....who back reform go on and on about immigration , its very small in Wales

Its very odd



Interesting you mentioned immigration. I didn't.

They are not a single policy party. I fell it is disingenuous for you to level assumptions like that against people.
I will highlight some of their proposals I agree with, apologies for caps. I have copied and pasted. I have ignored some of the more wishy washy points that while I want to see happen, they are clearly aspirational.

END TAXPAYER FUNDING OF POLITICALLY BIASED NGOS

The money from the block grant is for the people of Wales to benefit the people of Wales

MAKE GOVERNMENT POLICY BASED ON BIOLOGICAL SEX

I agree with that. By all means treat all people fairly and with respect. but biological sex is for me the right way to determine policy.

CIVIL SERVICE PAY RESTRAINT AND REDUCTIONS

The country is skint. Get past healthcare, fire police, armed forces and the like and these tax payer funded roles are fundamentally cash removing. They will never pay more in tax than they take out. When these jobs are funded by ever decreasing private sector roles, more balance needs to be achieved to ensure the money is available for other areas necessitating spend. Continuous growth of publicly funded jobs is unsustainable. Add in we have a fixed budget in Wales and it gets even more important to keep a grip on spending

LESS AND BETTER REGULATION

I alluded to this earlier. "Govern me harder!!" No thanks. We are over regulated and it throttles the life out of innovation and business let alone individual freedoms.

BUSINESS RATES REFORM

Slash them! Let business thrive. Lets be the best place in the UK to set up businesses. Its good for everyone.

PRIORITISE PROCUREMENT WITH LOCAL FIRMS, SUBJECT TO VALUE
FOR MONEY

I am all for buying and investing locally. We should be aiming for potentially being self sufficient for the essentials.


REVIEW LEGISLATION AND REASSERT MINISTERIAL AUTHORITY OVER
HEALTH BOARDS

I agree in principle. I would go further and slash the number of healthboards. They are a money pit and lead to differentials in care and contractual interpretations for providers.

20MPH

I agree with a sensible approach to this. It was horrendously implemented.

M4 relief road - I want it. Open the country up.

yes I wasnt more sustainable transport options. But there is a bottleneck at brynglas that is bad for the environment and bad for business in Wales. Fix it with action not concepts

DEFEND FREE SPEECH AND ACADEMIC FREEDOM
I am a free speech absolutist. Always have been. Let the world see if you are a nice person or not and make their own minds up. Dont silence or cancel people.

SUPPORT FURTHER AND VOCATIONAL EDUCATION

yep. Give people trades and help people become their own bosses

ACT AS AN ENABLER, NOT AN OBSTACLE, TO NUCLEAR POWER:

I am all for nuclear power.

GET TOUGH ON FLY-TIPPING

100%

REFORM THE 182-DAY RULE

didnt agree with it in the first place.

END THE WALES HOSPITALITY PENALTY

make us a hospitality hub. Stop seeing everyone as an opportunity to steal cash.



I am also for their plan to reduce income tax


i didnt mention immigration nor will I. There is more to it than that for me.

I’m on board with everything you’ve quoted. Welsh Labour/plaid are ideologues, who lack pragmatism. Their virtue signaling is nauseating, imagine sending £20m to Uganda, to plant trees. The lazy social parasites think this is great, because they pay no tax.


What about the huge numbers of tax payers who think farage is a lying creep and will never vote reform ?

Re: KEIR STARMERS A W.NKER

Mon Mar 30, 2026 2:55 pm

MikeO76 wrote:
Sludge wrote:
MikeO76 wrote:
Sludge wrote:
New Day Rising wrote:
Sludge wrote:Lots of people would also like to add " and so is Nigel Farage "

I would be up for a sort of medley singalong

Add in Trump who has made certain our energy and petrol bills are going to go up big time with his stupid war

He can also have a chorus ?


Farage & Trump simply don't like you .

Drop them a line .. with your thoughts .


70 percent of the country , a huge majority , dont vote reform

You carry on with these ideas EVERYONE agrees with you

:clap:

Which leaves 30% who will vote reform. Enough to win a GE.


Are you fruutcakes not shouting that starmers a wanker ...he is but farage is worse ..and we HAVE to have a general election NOW ?!

On the basis that only 34 percent of the people voted for him ?

But if Reform win the election on even less ?

What happens then , apart from you vanishing and keeping very quiet ?

I don't think anyone on here is saying they will chant starmer is a wanker at the CCS or bring political flags or banners to games.

We will have a GE sometime in the next 3 years and I think we can all agree that if starmer is still in the hot seat at that time, labour will not win.

If reform do win the GE then yes I probably will be quitet, less to moan about :thumbright:


Yes they are , Monty

He started the thread

Re: KEIR STARMERS A W.NKER

Mon Mar 30, 2026 2:57 pm

MikeO76 wrote:
Jock wrote:
welshrarebit wrote:
Sludge wrote:
welshrarebit wrote:For decades we have had continued drip drip drip increase of population level managerialism. And we get to pay for the privilege.

Will reform fix it? No idea. Are they the only ones that at least haven't been doing it already? Yes.

I say this as someone politically centre right who wants to be left alone and not have almost half my income taken off me which varies according to what they fancy doing one year to the next.

Conservatives? They had 14 years to continue it.
Labour? Started it with Blair and in Wales don't give a damn what the people actually want. Just manage us harder and harder

Plaid? Labour dressed up as nationalism gaslighting everyone in to voting for them because they are "pro Wales". Nah. Many of the most frustrating senedd policies have come as a price for propping up labour.

Ive had enough. I'll never vote socialism based policies. The needle has swung too far and needs to be balanced out.

I'll be giving reform a shot here and UK level. If all they do is not mess things up as much as the current and previous administrations have it will be an improvement


So you are not a socialist and have never voted in that way but are now going to back reform

In Wales we have had a population increase but the amount down to immigration , apart from Cardiff , Newport , is very very small

I dont understand why taffies ...welll the 30 percent .....who back reform go on and on about immigration , its very small in Wales

Its very odd



Interesting you mentioned immigration. I didn't.

They are not a single policy party. I fell it is disingenuous for you to level assumptions like that against people.
I will highlight some of their proposals I agree with, apologies for caps. I have copied and pasted. I have ignored some of the more wishy washy points that while I want to see happen, they are clearly aspirational.

END TAXPAYER FUNDING OF POLITICALLY BIASED NGOS

The money from the block grant is for the people of Wales to benefit the people of Wales

MAKE GOVERNMENT POLICY BASED ON BIOLOGICAL SEX

I agree with that. By all means treat all people fairly and with respect. but biological sex is for me the right way to determine policy.

CIVIL SERVICE PAY RESTRAINT AND REDUCTIONS

The country is skint. Get past healthcare, fire police, armed forces and the like and these tax payer funded roles are fundamentally cash removing. They will never pay more in tax than they take out. When these jobs are funded by ever decreasing private sector roles, more balance needs to be achieved to ensure the money is available for other areas necessitating spend. Continuous growth of publicly funded jobs is unsustainable. Add in we have a fixed budget in Wales and it gets even more important to keep a grip on spending

LESS AND BETTER REGULATION

I alluded to this earlier. "Govern me harder!!" No thanks. We are over regulated and it throttles the life out of innovation and business let alone individual freedoms.

BUSINESS RATES REFORM

Slash them! Let business thrive. Lets be the best place in the UK to set up businesses. Its good for everyone.

PRIORITISE PROCUREMENT WITH LOCAL FIRMS, SUBJECT TO VALUE
FOR MONEY

I am all for buying and investing locally. We should be aiming for potentially being self sufficient for the essentials.


REVIEW LEGISLATION AND REASSERT MINISTERIAL AUTHORITY OVER
HEALTH BOARDS

I agree in principle. I would go further and slash the number of healthboards. They are a money pit and lead to differentials in care and contractual interpretations for providers.

20MPH

I agree with a sensible approach to this. It was horrendously implemented.

M4 relief road - I want it. Open the country up.

yes I wasnt more sustainable transport options. But there is a bottleneck at brynglas that is bad for the environment and bad for business in Wales. Fix it with action not concepts

DEFEND FREE SPEECH AND ACADEMIC FREEDOM
I am a free speech absolutist. Always have been. Let the world see if you are a nice person or not and make their own minds up. Dont silence or cancel people.

SUPPORT FURTHER AND VOCATIONAL EDUCATION

yep. Give people trades and help people become their own bosses

ACT AS AN ENABLER, NOT AN OBSTACLE, TO NUCLEAR POWER:

I am all for nuclear power.

GET TOUGH ON FLY-TIPPING

100%

REFORM THE 182-DAY RULE

didnt agree with it in the first place.

END THE WALES HOSPITALITY PENALTY

make us a hospitality hub. Stop seeing everyone as an opportunity to steal cash.



I am also for their plan to reduce income tax


i didnt mention immigration nor will I. There is more to it than that for me.

I’m on board with everything you’ve quoted. Welsh Labour/plaid are ideologues, who lack pragmatism. Their virtue signaling is nauseating, imagine sending £20m to Uganda, to plant trees. The lazy social parasites think this is great, because they pay no tax.

Totally agree with you both :thumbup:


And I and 70 percent of the country totally disagree

Re: KEIR STARMERS A W.NKER

Mon Mar 30, 2026 3:01 pm

welshrarebit wrote:
Jock wrote:
welshrarebit wrote:
Sludge wrote:
welshrarebit wrote:For decades we have had continued drip drip drip increase of population level managerialism. And we get to pay for the privilege.

Will reform fix it? No idea. Are they the only ones that at least haven't been doing it already? Yes.

I say this as someone politically centre right who wants to be left alone and not have almost half my income taken off me which varies according to what they fancy doing one year to the next.

Conservatives? They had 14 years to continue it.
Labour? Started it with Blair and in Wales don't give a damn what the people actually want. Just manage us harder and harder

Plaid? Labour dressed up as nationalism gaslighting everyone in to voting for them because they are "pro Wales". Nah. Many of the most frustrating senedd policies have come as a price for propping up labour.

Ive had enough. I'll never vote socialism based policies. The needle has swung too far and needs to be balanced out.

I'll be giving reform a shot here and UK level. If all they do is not mess things up as much as the current and previous administrations have it will be an improvement


So you are not a socialist and have never voted in that way but are now going to back reform

In Wales we have had a population increase but the amount down to immigration , apart from Cardiff , Newport , is very very small

I dont understand why taffies ...welll the 30 percent .....who back reform go on and on about immigration , its very small in Wales

Its very odd



Interesting you mentioned immigration. I didn't.

They are not a single policy party. I fell it is disingenuous for you to level assumptions like that against people.
I will highlight some of their proposals I agree with, apologies for caps. I have copied and pasted. I have ignored some of the more wishy washy points that while I want to see happen, they are clearly aspirational.

END TAXPAYER FUNDING OF POLITICALLY BIASED NGOS

The money from the block grant is for the people of Wales to benefit the people of Wales

MAKE GOVERNMENT POLICY BASED ON BIOLOGICAL SEX

I agree with that. By all means treat all people fairly and with respect. but biological sex is for me the right way to determine policy.

CIVIL SERVICE PAY RESTRAINT AND REDUCTIONS

The country is skint. Get past healthcare, fire police, armed forces and the like and these tax payer funded roles are fundamentally cash removing. They will never pay more in tax than they take out. When these jobs are funded by ever decreasing private sector roles, more balance needs to be achieved to ensure the money is available for other areas necessitating spend. Continuous growth of publicly funded jobs is unsustainable. Add in we have a fixed budget in Wales and it gets even more important to keep a grip on spending

LESS AND BETTER REGULATION

I alluded to this earlier. "Govern me harder!!" No thanks. We are over regulated and it throttles the life out of innovation and business let alone individual freedoms.

BUSINESS RATES REFORM

Slash them! Let business thrive. Lets be the best place in the UK to set up businesses. Its good for everyone.

PRIORITISE PROCUREMENT WITH LOCAL FIRMS, SUBJECT TO VALUE
FOR MONEY

I am all for buying and investing locally. We should be aiming for potentially being self sufficient for the essentials.


REVIEW LEGISLATION AND REASSERT MINISTERIAL AUTHORITY OVER
HEALTH BOARDS

I agree in principle. I would go further and slash the number of healthboards. They are a money pit and lead to differentials in care and contractual interpretations for providers.

20MPH

I agree with a sensible approach to this. It was horrendously implemented.

M4 relief road - I want it. Open the country up.

yes I wasnt more sustainable transport options. But there is a bottleneck at brynglas that is bad for the environment and bad for business in Wales. Fix it with action not concepts

DEFEND FREE SPEECH AND ACADEMIC FREEDOM
I am a free speech absolutist. Always have been. Let the world see if you are a nice person or not and make their own minds up. Dont silence or cancel people.

SUPPORT FURTHER AND VOCATIONAL EDUCATION

yep. Give people trades and help people become their own bosses

ACT AS AN ENABLER, NOT AN OBSTACLE, TO NUCLEAR POWER:

I am all for nuclear power.

GET TOUGH ON FLY-TIPPING

100%

REFORM THE 182-DAY RULE

didnt agree with it in the first place.

END THE WALES HOSPITALITY PENALTY

make us a hospitality hub. Stop seeing everyone as an opportunity to steal cash.



I am also for their plan to reduce income tax


i didnt mention immigration nor will I. There is more to it than that for me.

I’m on board with everything you’ve quoted. Welsh Labour/plaid are ideologues, who lack pragmatism. Their virtue signaling is nauseating, imagine sending £20m to Uganda, to plant trees. The lazy social parasites think this is great, because they pay no tax.



That money comes from the block grant. It is OUR money. It is intended to run our services and fund our public workers.

I disagree with it being sent from Westminster but at least it can be taken from the foreign aid budget.
The Senedd should not be allowed to give OUR money away to other countries like that. We shouldn't be spending a single penny on overseas aid, it should all and only come from central governments budgets.

They cant go giving this money away on one hand then claim they don't have enough money on the other. It is all well and good Will whats his name at WOL saying it is only a small proportion of the budget. It shouldn't be ANY proportion of the budget.

AND it wouldn't happen at all if Plaid weren't happy with it.

We have had, what, 27 years of Labour doing whatever the hell they like ably supported by Plaid. They choose to do these things to the detriment of Wales while finding ways to try and tax us more and make us less competitive while ignoring clear frustrating issues with infrastructure and strangulation of business. All while claiming firstly the Tories and now Reform are the evil boogeymen. I do think the Welsh conservatives would be rubbish as I am yet to see many coherent policies from them. They are happy to be on the gravy train too. But it is pure gaslighting to blame people that have been no where near power. The only people to blame are Labour, Plaid and the occasional singular Lib Dem



Civil Service Wages ?



Income tax decisions ?


Our money ? Welsh Money ?

No it isnt

Re: KEIR STARMERS A W.NKER

Mon Mar 30, 2026 11:56 pm

Sludge wrote:
welshrarebit wrote:
Sludge wrote:
welshrarebit wrote:For decades we have had continued drip drip drip increase of population level managerialism. And we get to pay for the privilege.

Will reform fix it? No idea. Are they the only ones that at least haven't been doing it already? Yes.

I say this as someone politically centre right who wants to be left alone and not have almost half my income taken off me which varies according to what they fancy doing one year to the next.

Conservatives? They had 14 years to continue it.
Labour? Started it with Blair and in Wales don't give a damn what the people actually want. Just manage us harder and harder

Plaid? Labour dressed up as nationalism gaslighting everyone in to voting for them because they are "pro Wales". Nah. Many of the most frustrating senedd policies have come as a price for propping up labour.

Ive had enough. I'll never vote socialism based policies. The needle has swung too far and needs to be balanced out.

I'll be giving reform a shot here and UK level. If all they do is not mess things up as much as the current and previous administrations have it will be an improvement


So you are not a socialist and have never voted in that way but are now going to back reform

In Wales we have had a population increase but the amount down to immigration , apart from Cardiff , Newport , is very very small

I dont understand why taffies ...welll the 30 percent .....who back reform go on and on about immigration , its very small in Wales

Its very odd



Interesting you mentioned immigration. I didn't.

They are not a single policy party. I fell it is disingenuous for you to level assumptions like that against people.
I will highlight some of their proposals I agree with, apologies for caps. I have copied and pasted. I have ignored some of the more wishy washy points that while I want to see happen, they are clearly aspirational.

END TAXPAYER FUNDING OF POLITICALLY BIASED NGOS

The money from the block grant is for the people of Wales to benefit the people of Wales

MAKE GOVERNMENT POLICY BASED ON BIOLOGICAL SEX

I agree with that. By all means treat all people fairly and with respect. but biological sex is for me the right way to determine policy.

CIVIL SERVICE PAY RESTRAINT AND REDUCTIONS

The country is skint. Get past healthcare, fire police, armed forces and the like and these tax payer funded roles are fundamentally cash removing. They will never pay more in tax than they take out. When these jobs are funded by ever decreasing private sector roles, more balance needs to be achieved to ensure the money is available for other areas necessitating spend. Continuous growth of publicly funded jobs is unsustainable. Add in we have a fixed budget in Wales and it gets even more important to keep a grip on spending

LESS AND BETTER REGULATION

I alluded to this earlier. "Govern me harder!!" No thanks. We are over regulated and it throttles the life out of innovation and business let alone individual freedoms.

BUSINESS RATES REFORM

Slash them! Let business thrive. Lets be the best place in the UK to set up businesses. Its good for everyone.

PRIORITISE PROCUREMENT WITH LOCAL FIRMS, SUBJECT TO VALUE
FOR MONEY

I am all for buying and investing locally. We should be aiming for potentially being self sufficient for the essentials.


REVIEW LEGISLATION AND REASSERT MINISTERIAL AUTHORITY OVER
HEALTH BOARDS

I agree in principle. I would go further and slash the number of healthboards. They are a money pit and lead to differentials in care and contractual interpretations for providers.

20MPH

I agree with a sensible approach to this. It was horrendously implemented.

M4 relief road - I want it. Open the country up.

yes I wasnt more sustainable transport options. But there is a bottleneck at brynglas that is bad for the environment and bad for business in Wales. Fix it with action not concepts

DEFEND FREE SPEECH AND ACADEMIC FREEDOM
I am a free speech absolutist. Always have been. Let the world see if you are a nice person or not and make their own minds up. Dont silence or cancel people.

SUPPORT FURTHER AND VOCATIONAL EDUCATION

yep. Give people trades and help people become their own bosses

ACT AS AN ENABLER, NOT AN OBSTACLE, TO NUCLEAR POWER:

I am all for nuclear power.

GET TOUGH ON FLY-TIPPING

100%

REFORM THE 182-DAY RULE

didnt agree with it in the first place.

END THE WALES HOSPITALITY PENALTY

make us a hospitality hub. Stop seeing everyone as an opportunity to steal cash.



I am also for their plan to reduce income tax


i didnt mention immigration nor will I. There is more to it than that for me.


You know as well as anyone else that Reforms stance on immigration is the reason why they have 30 percent of the population voting for them

You can kid yourself all day long that its their " business " policy


I am sorry sludge but I appear to have missed all of your discussion on all the other points I mentioned. You again bring up immigration. Immigration may well be the reason they have a lot of support. That is not the reason I will vote for them. The reason above are.

As you choose not to engage with me in good faith. Who do you suggest I DO vote for? Bearing in mind the above policies and similar ideology I align with? Or is it easier for someone such as yours to silence someone like me so as to not upset your more socialist apple cart?

Gwlad are more right of centre but I am not in favour of independence. There are no libertarian options The new system basically kills off independents. The conservatives aren’t very conservative these days

Re: KEIR STARMERS A W.NKER

Mon Mar 30, 2026 11:59 pm

Sludge wrote:
welshrarebit wrote:
Jock wrote:
welshrarebit wrote:
Sludge wrote:
welshrarebit wrote:For decades we have had continued drip drip drip increase of population level managerialism. And we get to pay for the privilege.

Will reform fix it? No idea. Are they the only ones that at least haven't been doing it already? Yes.

I say this as someone politically centre right who wants to be left alone and not have almost half my income taken off me which varies according to what they fancy doing one year to the next.

Conservatives? They had 14 years to continue it.
Labour? Started it with Blair and in Wales don't give a damn what the people actually want. Just manage us harder and harder

Plaid? Labour dressed up as nationalism gaslighting everyone in to voting for them because they are "pro Wales". Nah. Many of the most frustrating senedd policies have come as a price for propping up labour.

Ive had enough. I'll never vote socialism based policies. The needle has swung too far and needs to be balanced out.

I'll be giving reform a shot here and UK level. If all they do is not mess things up as much as the current and previous administrations have it will be an improvement


So you are not a socialist and have never voted in that way but are now going to back reform

In Wales we have had a population increase but the amount down to immigration , apart from Cardiff , Newport , is very very small

I dont understand why taffies ...welll the 30 percent .....who back reform go on and on about immigration , its very small in Wales

Its very odd



Interesting you mentioned immigration. I didn't.

They are not a single policy party. I fell it is disingenuous for you to level assumptions like that against people.
I will highlight some of their proposals I agree with, apologies for caps. I have copied and pasted. I have ignored some of the more wishy washy points that while I want to see happen, they are clearly aspirational.

END TAXPAYER FUNDING OF POLITICALLY BIASED NGOS

The money from the block grant is for the people of Wales to benefit the people of Wales

MAKE GOVERNMENT POLICY BASED ON BIOLOGICAL SEX

I agree with that. By all means treat all people fairly and with respect. but biological sex is for me the right way to determine policy.

CIVIL SERVICE PAY RESTRAINT AND REDUCTIONS

The country is skint. Get past healthcare, fire police, armed forces and the like and these tax payer funded roles are fundamentally cash removing. They will never pay more in tax than they take out. When these jobs are funded by ever decreasing private sector roles, more balance needs to be achieved to ensure the money is available for other areas necessitating spend. Continuous growth of publicly funded jobs is unsustainable. Add in we have a fixed budget in Wales and it gets even more important to keep a grip on spending

LESS AND BETTER REGULATION

I alluded to this earlier. "Govern me harder!!" No thanks. We are over regulated and it throttles the life out of innovation and business let alone individual freedoms.

BUSINESS RATES REFORM

Slash them! Let business thrive. Lets be the best place in the UK to set up businesses. Its good for everyone.

PRIORITISE PROCUREMENT WITH LOCAL FIRMS, SUBJECT TO VALUE
FOR MONEY

I am all for buying and investing locally. We should be aiming for potentially being self sufficient for the essentials.


REVIEW LEGISLATION AND REASSERT MINISTERIAL AUTHORITY OVER
HEALTH BOARDS

I agree in principle. I would go further and slash the number of healthboards. They are a money pit and lead to differentials in care and contractual interpretations for providers.

20MPH

I agree with a sensible approach to this. It was horrendously implemented.

M4 relief road - I want it. Open the country up.

yes I wasnt more sustainable transport options. But there is a bottleneck at brynglas that is bad for the environment and bad for business in Wales. Fix it with action not concepts

DEFEND FREE SPEECH AND ACADEMIC FREEDOM
I am a free speech absolutist. Always have been. Let the world see if you are a nice person or not and make their own minds up. Dont silence or cancel people.

SUPPORT FURTHER AND VOCATIONAL EDUCATION

yep. Give people trades and help people become their own bosses

ACT AS AN ENABLER, NOT AN OBSTACLE, TO NUCLEAR POWER:

I am all for nuclear power.

GET TOUGH ON FLY-TIPPING

100%

REFORM THE 182-DAY RULE

didnt agree with it in the first place.

END THE WALES HOSPITALITY PENALTY

make us a hospitality hub. Stop seeing everyone as an opportunity to steal cash.



I am also for their plan to reduce income tax


i didnt mention immigration nor will I. There is more to it than that for me.

I’m on board with everything you’ve quoted. Welsh Labour/plaid are ideologues, who lack pragmatism. Their virtue signaling is nauseating, imagine sending £20m to Uganda, to plant trees. The lazy social parasites think this is great, because they pay no tax.



That money comes from the block grant. It is OUR money. It is intended to run our services and fund our public workers.

I disagree with it being sent from Westminster but at least it can be taken from the foreign aid budget.
The Senedd should not be allowed to give OUR money away to other countries like that. We shouldn't be spending a single penny on overseas aid, it should all and only come from central governments budgets.

They cant go giving this money away on one hand then claim they don't have enough money on the other. It is all well and good Will whats his name at WOL saying it is only a small proportion of the budget. It shouldn't be ANY proportion of the budget.

AND it wouldn't happen at all if Plaid weren't happy with it.

We have had, what, 27 years of Labour doing whatever the hell they like ably supported by Plaid. They choose to do these things to the detriment of Wales while finding ways to try and tax us more and make us less competitive while ignoring clear frustrating issues with infrastructure and strangulation of business. All while claiming firstly the Tories and now Reform are the evil boogeymen. I do think the Welsh conservatives would be rubbish as I am yet to see many coherent policies from them. They are happy to be on the gravy train too. But it is pure gaslighting to blame people that have been no where near power. The only people to blame are Labour, Plaid and the occasional singular Lib Dem



Civil Service Wages ?



Income tax decisions ?


Our money ? Welsh Money ?

No it isnt


You make questioning comments but do not qualify or explain. The block grant to the senedd from Westminster is OUR money. It is intended to run welsh affairs and services with the associates staffing costs as part of that. It shouldn’t be given away for foreign aid. We have UK wide foreign aid budgets for that

Re: KEIR STARMERS A W.NKER

Tue Mar 31, 2026 12:01 am

Sludge wrote:
MikeO76 wrote:
Jock wrote:
welshrarebit wrote:
Sludge wrote:
welshrarebit wrote:For decades we have had continued drip drip drip increase of population level managerialism. And we get to pay for the privilege.

Will reform fix it? No idea. Are they the only ones that at least haven't been doing it already? Yes.

I say this as someone politically centre right who wants to be left alone and not have almost half my income taken off me which varies according to what they fancy doing one year to the next.

Conservatives? They had 14 years to continue it.
Labour? Started it with Blair and in Wales don't give a damn what the people actually want. Just manage us harder and harder

Plaid? Labour dressed up as nationalism gaslighting everyone in to voting for them because they are "pro Wales". Nah. Many of the most frustrating senedd policies have come as a price for propping up labour.

Ive had enough. I'll never vote socialism based policies. The needle has swung too far and needs to be balanced out.

I'll be giving reform a shot here and UK level. If all they do is not mess things up as much as the current and previous administrations have it will be an improvement


So you are not a socialist and have never voted in that way but are now going to back reform

In Wales we have had a population increase but the amount down to immigration , apart from Cardiff , Newport , is very very small

I dont understand why taffies ...welll the 30 percent .....who back reform go on and on about immigration , its very small in Wales

Its very odd



Interesting you mentioned immigration. I didn't.

They are not a single policy party. I fell it is disingenuous for you to level assumptions like that against people.
I will highlight some of their proposals I agree with, apologies for caps. I have copied and pasted. I have ignored some of the more wishy washy points that while I want to see happen, they are clearly aspirational.

END TAXPAYER FUNDING OF POLITICALLY BIASED NGOS

The money from the block grant is for the people of Wales to benefit the people of Wales

MAKE GOVERNMENT POLICY BASED ON BIOLOGICAL SEX

I agree with that. By all means treat all people fairly and with respect. but biological sex is for me the right way to determine policy.

CIVIL SERVICE PAY RESTRAINT AND REDUCTIONS

The country is skint. Get past healthcare, fire police, armed forces and the like and these tax payer funded roles are fundamentally cash removing. They will never pay more in tax than they take out. When these jobs are funded by ever decreasing private sector roles, more balance needs to be achieved to ensure the money is available for other areas necessitating spend. Continuous growth of publicly funded jobs is unsustainable. Add in we have a fixed budget in Wales and it gets even more important to keep a grip on spending

LESS AND BETTER REGULATION

I alluded to this earlier. "Govern me harder!!" No thanks. We are over regulated and it throttles the life out of innovation and business let alone individual freedoms.

BUSINESS RATES REFORM

Slash them! Let business thrive. Lets be the best place in the UK to set up businesses. Its good for everyone.

PRIORITISE PROCUREMENT WITH LOCAL FIRMS, SUBJECT TO VALUE
FOR MONEY

I am all for buying and investing locally. We should be aiming for potentially being self sufficient for the essentials.


REVIEW LEGISLATION AND REASSERT MINISTERIAL AUTHORITY OVER
HEALTH BOARDS

I agree in principle. I would go further and slash the number of healthboards. They are a money pit and lead to differentials in care and contractual interpretations for providers.

20MPH

I agree with a sensible approach to this. It was horrendously implemented.

M4 relief road - I want it. Open the country up.

yes I wasnt more sustainable transport options. But there is a bottleneck at brynglas that is bad for the environment and bad for business in Wales. Fix it with action not concepts

DEFEND FREE SPEECH AND ACADEMIC FREEDOM
I am a free speech absolutist. Always have been. Let the world see if you are a nice person or not and make their own minds up. Dont silence or cancel people.

SUPPORT FURTHER AND VOCATIONAL EDUCATION

yep. Give people trades and help people become their own bosses

ACT AS AN ENABLER, NOT AN OBSTACLE, TO NUCLEAR POWER:

I am all for nuclear power.

GET TOUGH ON FLY-TIPPING

100%

REFORM THE 182-DAY RULE

didnt agree with it in the first place.

END THE WALES HOSPITALITY PENALTY

make us a hospitality hub. Stop seeing everyone as an opportunity to steal cash.



I am also for their plan to reduce income tax


i didnt mention immigration nor will I. There is more to it than that for me.

I’m on board with everything you’ve quoted. Welsh Labour/plaid are ideologues, who lack pragmatism. Their virtue signaling is nauseating, imagine sending £20m to Uganda, to plant trees. The lazy social parasites think this is great, because they pay no tax.

Totally agree with you both :thumbup:


And I and 70 percent of the country totally disagree


What is your point? Is it an issue for you when people share concerns? Regardless of the proportion of the population that do not? That’s what democracy is all about sludge. Difference of views and experiences that shape them

Re: KEIR STARMERS A W.NKER

Tue Mar 31, 2026 5:21 am

welshrarebit wrote:
Sludge wrote:
welshrarebit wrote:
Sludge wrote:
welshrarebit wrote:For decades we have had continued drip drip drip increase of population level managerialism. And we get to pay for the privilege.

Will reform fix it? No idea. Are they the only ones that at least haven't been doing it already? Yes.

I say this as someone politically centre right who wants to be left alone and not have almost half my income taken off me which varies according to what they fancy doing one year to the next.

Conservatives? They had 14 years to continue it.
Labour? Started it with Blair and in Wales don't give a damn what the people actually want. Just manage us harder and harder

Plaid? Labour dressed up as nationalism gaslighting everyone in to voting for them because they are "pro Wales". Nah. Many of the most frustrating senedd policies have come as a price for propping up labour.

Ive had enough. I'll never vote socialism based policies. The needle has swung too far and needs to be balanced out.

I'll be giving reform a shot here and UK level. If all they do is not mess things up as much as the current and previous administrations have it will be an improvement


So you are not a socialist and have never voted in that way but are now going to back reform

In Wales we have had a population increase but the amount down to immigration , apart from Cardiff , Newport , is very very small

I dont understand why taffies ...welll the 30 percent .....who back reform go on and on about immigration , its very small in Wales

Its very odd



Interesting you mentioned immigration. I didn't.

They are not a single policy party. I fell it is disingenuous for you to level assumptions like that against people.
I will highlight some of their proposals I agree with, apologies for caps. I have copied and pasted. I have ignored some of the more wishy washy points that while I want to see happen, they are clearly aspirational.

END TAXPAYER FUNDING OF POLITICALLY BIASED NGOS

The money from the block grant is for the people of Wales to benefit the people of Wales

MAKE GOVERNMENT POLICY BASED ON BIOLOGICAL SEX

I agree with that. By all means treat all people fairly and with respect. but biological sex is for me the right way to determine policy.

CIVIL SERVICE PAY RESTRAINT AND REDUCTIONS

The country is skint. Get past healthcare, fire police, armed forces and the like and these tax payer funded roles are fundamentally cash removing. They will never pay more in tax than they take out. When these jobs are funded by ever decreasing private sector roles, more balance needs to be achieved to ensure the money is available for other areas necessitating spend. Continuous growth of publicly funded jobs is unsustainable. Add in we have a fixed budget in Wales and it gets even more important to keep a grip on spending

LESS AND BETTER REGULATION

I alluded to this earlier. "Govern me harder!!" No thanks. We are over regulated and it throttles the life out of innovation and business let alone individual freedoms.

BUSINESS RATES REFORM

Slash them! Let business thrive. Lets be the best place in the UK to set up businesses. Its good for everyone.

PRIORITISE PROCUREMENT WITH LOCAL FIRMS, SUBJECT TO VALUE
FOR MONEY

I am all for buying and investing locally. We should be aiming for potentially being self sufficient for the essentials.


REVIEW LEGISLATION AND REASSERT MINISTERIAL AUTHORITY OVER
HEALTH BOARDS

I agree in principle. I would go further and slash the number of healthboards. They are a money pit and lead to differentials in care and contractual interpretations for providers.

20MPH

I agree with a sensible approach to this. It was horrendously implemented.

M4 relief road - I want it. Open the country up.

yes I wasnt more sustainable transport options. But there is a bottleneck at brynglas that is bad for the environment and bad for business in Wales. Fix it with action not concepts

DEFEND FREE SPEECH AND ACADEMIC FREEDOM
I am a free speech absolutist. Always have been. Let the world see if you are a nice person or not and make their own minds up. Dont silence or cancel people.

SUPPORT FURTHER AND VOCATIONAL EDUCATION

yep. Give people trades and help people become their own bosses

ACT AS AN ENABLER, NOT AN OBSTACLE, TO NUCLEAR POWER:

I am all for nuclear power.

GET TOUGH ON FLY-TIPPING

100%

REFORM THE 182-DAY RULE

didnt agree with it in the first place.

END THE WALES HOSPITALITY PENALTY

make us a hospitality hub. Stop seeing everyone as an opportunity to steal cash.



I am also for their plan to reduce income tax


i didnt mention immigration nor will I. There is more to it than that for me.


You know as well as anyone else that Reforms stance on immigration is the reason why they have 30 percent of the population voting for them

You can kid yourself all day long that its their " business " policy


I am sorry sludge but I appear to have missed all of your discussion on all the other points I mentioned. You again bring up immigration. Immigration may well be the reason they have a lot of support. That is not the reason I will vote for them. The reason above are.

As you choose not to engage with me in good faith. Who do you suggest I DO vote for? Bearing in mind the above policies and similar ideology I align with? Or is it easier for someone such as yours to silence someone like me so as to not upset your more socialist apple cart?

Gwlad are more right of centre but I am not in favour of independence. There are no libertarian options The new system basically kills off independents. The conservatives aren’t very conservative these days


You have missed my discussion of the long winded diatribe you provided because it is indeef libertarian which is clearly what you think you are , you shoukd start a non racist branch

Gwlad are a dreadful bunch

I will be voting plaid to snuff out reform but I am just lending them my vote

Re: KEIR STARMERS A W.NKER

Tue Mar 31, 2026 5:31 am

welshrarebit wrote:
Sludge wrote:
MikeO76 wrote:
Jock wrote:
welshrarebit wrote:
Sludge wrote:
welshrarebit wrote:For decades we have had continued drip drip drip increase of population level managerialism. And we get to pay for the privilege.

Will reform fix it? No idea. Are they the only ones that at least haven't been doing it already? Yes.

I say this as someone politically centre right who wants to be left alone and not have almost half my income taken off me which varies according to what they fancy doing one year to the next.

Conservatives? They had 14 years to continue it.
Labour? Started it with Blair and in Wales don't give a damn what the people actually want. Just manage us harder and harder

Plaid? Labour dressed up as nationalism gaslighting everyone in to voting for them because they are "pro Wales". Nah. Many of the most frustrating senedd policies have come as a price for propping up labour.

Ive had enough. I'll never vote socialism based policies. The needle has swung too far and needs to be balanced out.

I'll be giving reform a shot here and UK level. If all they do is not mess things up as much as the current and previous administrations have it will be an improvement


So you are not a socialist and have never voted in that way but are now going to back reform

In Wales we have had a population increase but the amount down to immigration , apart from Cardiff , Newport , is very very small

I dont understand why taffies ...welll the 30 percent .....who back reform go on and on about immigration , its very small in Wales

Its very odd



Interesting you mentioned immigration. I didn't.

They are not a single policy party. I fell it is disingenuous for you to level assumptions like that against people.
I will highlight some of their proposals I agree with, apologies for caps. I have copied and pasted. I have ignored some of the more wishy washy points that while I want to see happen, they are clearly aspirational.

END TAXPAYER FUNDING OF POLITICALLY BIASED NGOS

The money from the block grant is for the people of Wales to benefit the people of Wales

MAKE GOVERNMENT POLICY BASED ON BIOLOGICAL SEX

I agree with that. By all means treat all people fairly and with respect. but biological sex is for me the right way to determine policy.

CIVIL SERVICE PAY RESTRAINT AND REDUCTIONS

The country is skint. Get past healthcare, fire police, armed forces and the like and these tax payer funded roles are fundamentally cash removing. They will never pay more in tax than they take out. When these jobs are funded by ever decreasing private sector roles, more balance needs to be achieved to ensure the money is available for other areas necessitating spend. Continuous growth of publicly funded jobs is unsustainable. Add in we have a fixed budget in Wales and it gets even more important to keep a grip on spending

LESS AND BETTER REGULATION

I alluded to this earlier. "Govern me harder!!" No thanks. We are over regulated and it throttles the life out of innovation and business let alone individual freedoms.

BUSINESS RATES REFORM

Slash them! Let business thrive. Lets be the best place in the UK to set up businesses. Its good for everyone.

PRIORITISE PROCUREMENT WITH LOCAL FIRMS, SUBJECT TO VALUE
FOR MONEY

I am all for buying and investing locally. We should be aiming for potentially being self sufficient for the essentials.


REVIEW LEGISLATION AND REASSERT MINISTERIAL AUTHORITY OVER
HEALTH BOARDS

I agree in principle. I would go further and slash the number of healthboards. They are a money pit and lead to differentials in care and contractual interpretations for providers.

20MPH

I agree with a sensible approach to this. It was horrendously implemented.

M4 relief road - I want it. Open the country up.

yes I wasnt more sustainable transport options. But there is a bottleneck at brynglas that is bad for the environment and bad for business in Wales. Fix it with action not concepts

DEFEND FREE SPEECH AND ACADEMIC FREEDOM
I am a free speech absolutist. Always have been. Let the world see if you are a nice person or not and make their own minds up. Dont silence or cancel people.

SUPPORT FURTHER AND VOCATIONAL EDUCATION

yep. Give people trades and help people become their own bosses

ACT AS AN ENABLER, NOT AN OBSTACLE, TO NUCLEAR POWER:

I am all for nuclear power.

GET TOUGH ON FLY-TIPPING

100%

REFORM THE 182-DAY RULE

didnt agree with it in the first place.

END THE WALES HOSPITALITY PENALTY

make us a hospitality hub. Stop seeing everyone as an opportunity to steal cash.



I am also for their plan to reduce income tax


i didnt mention immigration nor will I. There is more to it than that for me.

I’m on board with everything you’ve quoted. Welsh Labour/plaid are ideologues, who lack pragmatism. Their virtue signaling is nauseating, imagine sending £20m to Uganda, to plant trees. The lazy social parasites think this is great, because they pay no tax.

Totally agree with you both :thumbup:


And I and 70 percent of the country totally disagree


What is your point? Is it an issue for you when people share concerns? Regardless of the proportion of the population that do not? That’s what democracy is all about sludge. Difference of views and experiences that shape them


My point is reform voters loudly tell us EVERYONE thinks like them , everyone they know supports them ! But only 30 percent of the country do

So everyone doesnt support them

And thats democracy too

Re: KEIR STARMERS A W.NKER

Tue Mar 31, 2026 7:19 am

That may be your experience but it’s not mine. Most people I know personally don’t particularly discuss their politics very often. I’ve no idea how many people support x y or z as a party. Most people are just living their lives.

Re: KEIR STARMERS A W.NKER

Tue Mar 31, 2026 7:22 am

Sludge wrote:
welshrarebit wrote:
Sludge wrote:
welshrarebit wrote:
Sludge wrote:
welshrarebit wrote:For decades we have had continued drip drip drip increase of population level managerialism. And we get to pay for the privilege.

Will reform fix it? No idea. Are they the only ones that at least haven't been doing it already? Yes.

I say this as someone politically centre right who wants to be left alone and not have almost half my income taken off me which varies according to what they fancy doing one year to the next.

Conservatives? They had 14 years to continue it.
Labour? Started it with Blair and in Wales don't give a damn what the people actually want. Just manage us harder and harder

Plaid? Labour dressed up as nationalism gaslighting everyone in to voting for them because they are "pro Wales". Nah. Many of the most frustrating senedd policies have come as a price for propping up labour.

Ive had enough. I'll never vote socialism based policies. The needle has swung too far and needs to be balanced out.

I'll be giving reform a shot here and UK level. If all they do is not mess things up as much as the current and previous administrations have it will be an improvement


So you are not a socialist and have never voted in that way but are now going to back reform

In Wales we have had a population increase but the amount down to immigration , apart from Cardiff , Newport , is very very small

I dont understand why taffies ...welll the 30 percent .....who back reform go on and on about immigration , its very small in Wales

Its very odd



Interesting you mentioned immigration. I didn't.

They are not a single policy party. I fell it is disingenuous for you to level assumptions like that against people.
I will highlight some of their proposals I agree with, apologies for caps. I have copied and pasted. I have ignored some of the more wishy washy points that while I want to see happen, they are clearly aspirational.

END TAXPAYER FUNDING OF POLITICALLY BIASED NGOS

The money from the block grant is for the people of Wales to benefit the people of Wales

MAKE GOVERNMENT POLICY BASED ON BIOLOGICAL SEX

I agree with that. By all means treat all people fairly and with respect. but biological sex is for me the right way to determine policy.

CIVIL SERVICE PAY RESTRAINT AND REDUCTIONS

The country is skint. Get past healthcare, fire police, armed forces and the like and these tax payer funded roles are fundamentally cash removing. They will never pay more in tax than they take out. When these jobs are funded by ever decreasing private sector roles, more balance needs to be achieved to ensure the money is available for other areas necessitating spend. Continuous growth of publicly funded jobs is unsustainable. Add in we have a fixed budget in Wales and it gets even more important to keep a grip on spending

LESS AND BETTER REGULATION

I alluded to this earlier. "Govern me harder!!" No thanks. We are over regulated and it throttles the life out of innovation and business let alone individual freedoms.

BUSINESS RATES REFORM

Slash them! Let business thrive. Lets be the best place in the UK to set up businesses. Its good for everyone.

PRIORITISE PROCUREMENT WITH LOCAL FIRMS, SUBJECT TO VALUE
FOR MONEY

I am all for buying and investing locally. We should be aiming for potentially being self sufficient for the essentials.


REVIEW LEGISLATION AND REASSERT MINISTERIAL AUTHORITY OVER
HEALTH BOARDS

I agree in principle. I would go further and slash the number of healthboards. They are a money pit and lead to differentials in care and contractual interpretations for providers.

20MPH

I agree with a sensible approach to this. It was horrendously implemented.

M4 relief road - I want it. Open the country up.

yes I wasnt more sustainable transport options. But there is a bottleneck at brynglas that is bad for the environment and bad for business in Wales. Fix it with action not concepts

DEFEND FREE SPEECH AND ACADEMIC FREEDOM
I am a free speech absolutist. Always have been. Let the world see if you are a nice person or not and make their own minds up. Dont silence or cancel people.

SUPPORT FURTHER AND VOCATIONAL EDUCATION

yep. Give people trades and help people become their own bosses

ACT AS AN ENABLER, NOT AN OBSTACLE, TO NUCLEAR POWER:

I am all for nuclear power.

GET TOUGH ON FLY-TIPPING

100%

REFORM THE 182-DAY RULE

didnt agree with it in the first place.

END THE WALES HOSPITALITY PENALTY

make us a hospitality hub. Stop seeing everyone as an opportunity to steal cash.



I am also for their plan to reduce income tax


i didnt mention immigration nor will I. There is more to it than that for me.


You know as well as anyone else that Reforms stance on immigration is the reason why they have 30 percent of the population voting for them

You can kid yourself all day long that its their " business " policy


I am sorry sludge but I appear to have missed all of your discussion on all the other points I mentioned. You again bring up immigration. Immigration may well be the reason they have a lot of support. That is not the reason I will vote for them. The reason above are.

As you choose not to engage with me in good faith. Who do you suggest I DO vote for? Bearing in mind the above policies and similar ideology I align with? Or is it easier for someone such as yours to silence someone like me so as to not upset your more socialist apple cart?

Gwlad are more right of centre but I am not in favour of independence. There are no libertarian options The new system basically kills off independents. The conservatives aren’t very conservative these days


You have missed my discussion of the long winded diatribe you provided because it is indeef libertarian which is clearly what you think you are , you shoukd start a non racist branch

Gwlad are a dreadful bunch

I will be voting plaid to snuff out reform but I am just lending them my vote


Maybe you should just vote for parties whose policies you broadly support. If that’s plaid then fine. But wales has had 27 years of mismanagement in my view.

Re: KEIR STARMERS A W.NKER

Tue Mar 31, 2026 7:25 am

Ironic that social parasites, who pay no tax, want workers to pay more.
Labours economic strategy is to tax the workers, to fund fat lazy workshy benefits scroungers. Who along with our bloated inefficient public sector, keep them in power.

Re: KEIR STARMERS A W.NKER

Tue Mar 31, 2026 8:51 am

Jock wrote:Ironic that social parasites, who pay no tax, want workers to pay more.
Labours economic strategy is to tax the workers, to fund fat lazy workshy benefits scroungers. Who along with our bloated inefficient public sector, keep them in power.


Well said jock ,
i am in the private sector self employed paying all the public sector train drivers pension sadly they don' t pay anything to mine, and remember the work shy all have issues, and labour have wealth envy Angela Raynes think anyone earning a decent wage or rich are "scum" except the millionare Ed miliband.

Re: KEIR STARMERS A W.NKER

Tue Mar 31, 2026 9:56 am

montyblue wrote:
Jock wrote:Ironic that social parasites, who pay no tax, want workers to pay more.
Labours economic strategy is to tax the workers, to fund fat lazy workshy benefits scroungers. Who along with our bloated inefficient public sector, keep them in power.


Well said jock ,
i am in the private sector self employed paying all the public sector train drivers pension sadly they don' t pay anything to mine, and remember the work shy all have issues, and labour have wealth envy Angela Raynes think anyone earning a decent wage or rich are "scum" except the millionare Ed miliband.

Only a 1/4 wit would think the benefits bill is sustainable. Or migration can carry on at current levels. Labours solution is to bleed guys like you, while Bezos pays next to nothing.

Re: KEIR STARMERS A W.NKER

Tue Mar 31, 2026 6:53 pm

Jock wrote:Ironic that social parasites, who pay no tax, want workers to pay more.
Labours economic strategy is to tax the workers, to fund fat lazy workshy benefits scroungers. Who along with our bloated inefficient public sector, keep them in power.



If you think Labours economic strategy is to tax working people to get money to pay the benefits of people who cant work or arexworkshy then you really are talking nonsense and coming out with the typical predudices of a reform voter

That sort of policy woukd be utterly stupid

Around 6 million people are on benefits and thats a tiny percentage of the voting public

And of course those least likely to vote according to research ? .....those with health conditions and those,on benefits

So if labour were carrying out a policy of proping up the disabled and those on benefits by giving them an easy ride ....its not working is it !

Benefits , immigrants , workshy , public sector , social parasites , listen to the state of you , its pathetic

Re: KEIR STARMERS A W.NKER

Tue Mar 31, 2026 6:57 pm

montyblue wrote:
Jock wrote:Ironic that social parasites, who pay no tax, want workers to pay more.
Labours economic strategy is to tax the workers, to fund fat lazy workshy benefits scroungers. Who along with our bloated inefficient public sector, keep them in power.


Well said jock ,
i am in the private sector self employed paying all the public sector train drivers pension sadly they don' t pay anything to mine, and remember the work shy all have issues, and labour have wealth envy Angela Raynes think anyone earning a decent wage or rich are "scum" except the millionare Ed miliband.


What a load of pompous hot air

You , personally are paying the public sector train drivers pensions ?

Lol

What about the millions of people on lower wages in the public sector and ALSO pay tax to fund the NHS, roads schools

Dont they count because they are not a wonderful private sector worker like you ?

Santimonious rubbish