Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:05 pm
epping blue wrote:I thought Sir Alan Sugars comments were interesting.
"Jeremy Corbyn has turned Labour into a negative anti business party that is clueless on how the economy works. His spending splurge is complete madness. "
That, from a life long Labour supporter , a labour peer, an arch remainer and although a leading Jew, it contained no reference to any anti Semitism concerns. So concerned of Labour's threat to the economy, he's urging voters to vote for Boris Johnson. As usual its not reported by the BBC, it doesn't fit the narrative.
The country wakes up on Friday morning with Corbyn as PM then so be it. The Youth will get the European country they want and in short time they'll get the youth unemployment to match.
Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:11 pm
Sneggyblubird wrote:The Mail on Sunday (MoS) falsely claimed that Labour was planning to scrap a tax exemption on homeowners, in a prominent story that has since been used by the Conservatives as part of their election campaign.
The press regulator Ipso ruled that the newspaper’s reporting was inaccurate and “could cause significant concern to readers that, under a Labour government, they could be liable to pay a tax they are exempt from under current legislation”.
The MoS headline was then used in Conservative campaign literature and shared by Tory politicians on social media.
The story said Labour wanted “to scrap the capital gains tax exemption on main homes”, citing a report called Land for the Many, written for Labour by a group of academics and campaigners.
Contrary to the newspaper’s claims, the third-party report explicitly rejected proposals to scrap the capital gains tax exemption for main homes, and instead recommended an annual levy on any increase in value of a property.
The erroneous article was published in June, and the press regulator ruled on the inaccuracy in November. The MoS must now publish Ipso’s ruling on page 2 of its print edition and on the top half of its website for 24 hours. But because the paper sought a review of the process by which the decision was made, publication of the correction has been delayed until after the election.
The thing that puzzles me is how they could tell this particular piece of BS from all the rest of their stories.Still be taken as gospel on here though.
Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:01 pm
epping blue wrote:Sneggyblubird wrote:The Mail on Sunday (MoS) falsely claimed that Labour was planning to scrap a tax exemption on homeowners, in a prominent story that has since been used by the Conservatives as part of their election campaign.
The press regulator Ipso ruled that the newspaper’s reporting was inaccurate and “could cause significant concern to readers that, under a Labour government, they could be liable to pay a tax they are exempt from under current legislation”.
The MoS headline was then used in Conservative campaign literature and shared by Tory politicians on social media.
The story said Labour wanted “to scrap the capital gains tax exemption on main homes”, citing a report called Land for the Many, written for Labour by a group of academics and campaigners.
Contrary to the newspaper’s claims, the third-party report explicitly rejected proposals to scrap the capital gains tax exemption for main homes, and instead recommended an annual levy on any increase in value of a property.
The erroneous article was published in June, and the press regulator ruled on the inaccuracy in November. The MoS must now publish Ipso’s ruling on page 2 of its print edition and on the top half of its website for 24 hours. But because the paper sought a review of the process by which the decision was made, publication of the correction has been delayed until after the election.
The thing that puzzles me is how they could tell this particular piece of BS from all the rest of their stories.Still be taken as gospel on here though.
There's virtually nothing from the land for the many report that's been brought forward to the current Labour manifesto. It would be toxic in a lot of their metropolitan heartlands. Can we take it that what's not been brought forward into the manifesto wont be legislated within the next government. No change to the Property tax system. No landlord / tenant sales discount. No real move to the Marxist principals that the state owns all the land. Is there a guarantee that all the proposals in the report that are not within their manifesto wont be brought forward. Of course there isn't.
Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:03 pm
Bluebird1990 wrote:epping blue wrote:I thought Sir Alan Sugars comments were interesting.
"Jeremy Corbyn has turned Labour into a negative anti business party that is clueless on how the economy works. His spending splurge is complete madness. "
That, from a life long Labour supporter , a labour peer, an arch remainer and although a leading Jew, it contained no reference to any anti Semitism concerns. So concerned of Labour's threat to the economy, he's urging voters to vote for Boris Johnson. As usual its not reported by the BBC, it doesn't fit the narrative.
The country wakes up on Friday morning with Corbyn as PM then so be it. The Youth will get the European country they want and in short time they'll get the youth unemployment to match.
You've lost all credibility when your argument is to blame young people if Labour win.
Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:22 pm
Danny Says wrote:Bluebird1990 wrote:epping blue wrote:I thought Sir Alan Sugars comments were interesting.
"Jeremy Corbyn has turned Labour into a negative anti business party that is clueless on how the economy works. His spending splurge is complete madness. "
That, from a life long Labour supporter , a labour peer, an arch remainer and although a leading Jew, it contained no reference to any anti Semitism concerns. So concerned of Labour's threat to the economy, he's urging voters to vote for Boris Johnson. As usual its not reported by the BBC, it doesn't fit the narrative.
The country wakes up on Friday morning with Corbyn as PM then so be it. The Youth will get the European country they want and in short time they'll get the youth unemployment to match.
You've lost all credibility when your argument is to blame young people if Labour win.
It’s perfectly valid to blame the gullible youth if they blindly vote for a party who have malice aforethought for the economic base of the country, when they have no inkling of how devastating it was in the 1970’s under the control of the Unions.
The dangers of tactical voting also mustn’t be underestimated. In a lot of seats a vote for the Lib Dem’s or Brexit or any independent candidate will be as good as a vote for Corbyn.
Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:40 pm
Forever Blue wrote::evil:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:50 pm
Bluebird1990 wrote:Danny Says wrote:Bluebird1990 wrote:epping blue wrote:I thought Sir Alan Sugars comments were interesting.
"Jeremy Corbyn has turned Labour into a negative anti business party that is clueless on how the economy works. His spending splurge is complete madness. "
That, from a life long Labour supporter , a labour peer, an arch remainer and although a leading Jew, it contained no reference to any anti Semitism concerns. So concerned of Labour's threat to the economy, he's urging voters to vote for Boris Johnson. As usual its not reported by the BBC, it doesn't fit the narrative.
The country wakes up on Friday morning with Corbyn as PM then so be it. The Youth will get the European country they want and in short time they'll get the youth unemployment to match.
You've lost all credibility when your argument is to blame young people if Labour win.
It’s perfectly valid to blame the gullible youth if they blindly vote for a party who have malice aforethought for the economic base of the country, when they have no inkling of how devastating it was in the 1970’s under the control of the Unions.
The dangers of tactical voting also mustn’t be underestimated. In a lot of seats a vote for the Lib Dem’s or Brexit or any independent candidate will be as good as a vote for Corbyn.
Ok then, boomers are responsible for the global 2008 financial crisis and all the mess that came afterwards.
See i can generalise an entire generation too.
like i said all your credibility has gone out the window so whatever you say now can't be taken seriously.
Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:51 pm
CCFCJosh75 wrote:Forever Blue wrote::evil:
Only came back to check something about tomorrow, can see why I left after reading through this topic.
A) The parent was a Tory until recently.
B) The health minister has apologised (who is a Tory)
C) the only other evidence to the contrary is a bunch of tweets by 'people' all saying exactly the same thing (and I mean word for word the same).
Not relevant to that post but throughout the thread people have been saying 'I'm voting conservative because of democracy...' Maybe you should look back a few months to when they unlawfully killed democracy outright and are now wanting to change the courts so the pm doesn't have to obey the laws... Aka a move towards dictatorship (and I'm not saying that they'll become dictators but it's a leap towards it).
Oh and TorySays, can you stop with pRoJeCt FeAr.
Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:56 pm
Jock wrote:But believe me, if we end up with the NHS in such a state that we need private health insurance then you'd better hope that the economy (which is currently growing more slowly than the majority of competitor countries) goes through the roof to pay your double figure pay rises for the next 10 years to even get near to you being able to afford the Private Health insurance your going to need without the NHS.
Tue Dec 10, 2019 5:04 pm
Sneggyblubird wrote:epping blue wrote:Sneggyblubird wrote:The Mail on Sunday (MoS) falsely claimed that Labour was planning to scrap a tax exemption on homeowners, in a prominent story that has since been used by the Conservatives as part of their election campaign.
The press regulator Ipso ruled that the newspaper’s reporting was inaccurate and “could cause significant concern to readers that, under a Labour government, they could be liable to pay a tax they are exempt from under current legislation”.
The MoS headline was then used in Conservative campaign literature and shared by Tory politicians on social media.
The story said Labour wanted “to scrap the capital gains tax exemption on main homes”, citing a report called Land for the Many, written for Labour by a group of academics and campaigners.
Contrary to the newspaper’s claims, the third-party report explicitly rejected proposals to scrap the capital gains tax exemption for main homes, and instead recommended an annual levy on any increase in value of a property.
The erroneous article was published in June, and the press regulator ruled on the inaccuracy in November. The MoS must now publish Ipso’s ruling on page 2 of its print edition and on the top half of its website for 24 hours. But because the paper sought a review of the process by which the decision was made, publication of the correction has been delayed until after the election.
The thing that puzzles me is how they could tell this particular piece of BS from all the rest of their stories.Still be taken as gospel on here though.
There's virtually nothing from the land for the many report that's been brought forward to the current Labour manifesto. It would be toxic in a lot of their metropolitan heartlands. Can we take it that what's not been brought forward into the manifesto wont be legislated within the next government. No change to the Property tax system. No landlord / tenant sales discount. No real move to the Marxist principals that the state owns all the land. Is there a guarantee that all the proposals in the report that are not within their manifesto wont be brought forward. Of course there isn't.
Aye.a bit like Boris saying the NHS is not on the agenda with the yanks.
Tue Dec 10, 2019 5:07 pm
piledriver64 wrote:Jock wrote:But believe me, if we end up with the NHS in such a state that we need private health insurance then you'd better hope that the economy (which is currently growing more slowly than the majority of competitor countries) goes through the roof to pay your double figure pay rises for the next 10 years to even get near to you being able to afford the Private Health insurance your going to need without the NHS.
Are these competitor countries in the EU? Since the crash our economy has grown by 19% the Eurozone by 13%. Unemployment is higher across the bulk of Europe with the Frogs at two and a half times our rate and the Greeks five times as high. DFI continues to outpace the Eurozone, imagine how well we’ll do once the crippling uncertainty has gone and we leave the disastrous EU.
Tue Dec 10, 2019 5:08 pm
Tue Dec 10, 2019 5:22 pm
Tue Dec 10, 2019 5:52 pm
ElyBoy1984 wrote:There are 2 options for Government on Friday:
1) The now centre left party of Boris "Conservatives" and a fake Brexit. Trundling along into Globalist form of marxism by the back door.
or ...
2)hard left marxism paving way for communism, and a moral free for all. Labour Who claim to champion fairness. unless you're white, Christian, Catholic or an unborn foetus. Haven't they now said a woman can abort a pregnancy at 8 months?
Tue Dec 10, 2019 5:58 pm
epping blue wrote:Bluebird1990 wrote:Danny Says wrote:Bluebird1990 wrote:epping blue wrote:I thought Sir Alan Sugars comments were interesting.
"Jeremy Corbyn has turned Labour into a negative anti business party that is clueless on how the economy works. His spending splurge is complete madness. "
That, from a life long Labour supporter , a labour peer, an arch remainer and although a leading Jew, it contained no reference to any anti Semitism concerns. So concerned of Labour's threat to the economy, he's urging voters to vote for Boris Johnson. As usual its not reported by the BBC, it doesn't fit the narrative.
The country wakes up on Friday morning with Corbyn as PM then so be it. The Youth will get the European country they want and in short time they'll get the youth unemployment to match.
You've lost all credibility when your argument is to blame young people if Labour win.
It’s perfectly valid to blame the gullible youth if they blindly vote for a party who have malice aforethought for the economic base of the country, when they have no inkling of how devastating it was in the 1970’s under the control of the Unions.
The dangers of tactical voting also mustn’t be underestimated. In a lot of seats a vote for the Lib Dem’s or Brexit or any independent candidate will be as good as a vote for Corbyn.
Ok then, boomers are responsible for the global 2008 financial crisis and all the mess that came afterwards.
See i can generalise an entire generation too.
like i said all your credibility has gone out the window so whatever you say now can't be taken seriously.
I'm not blaming the youth, they've been brain washed into thinking that all for for free and comes with no consequences. It wont matter much to me whether we have a labour government or not, I wont be picking up the bill. That's for my kids and your kids, my employees and their kids. Employment prospects for those coming out of school / university will get very bad very quickly. If Alan Sugar is deserting Labour because of the catastrophic financial implications doesn't that deserve consideration. The BBC clearly think not.
Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:07 pm
piledriver64 wrote:Jock wrote:But believe me, if we end up with the NHS in such a state that we need private health insurance then you'd better hope that the economy (which is currently growing more slowly than the majority of competitor countries) goes through the roof to pay your double figure pay rises for the next 10 years to even get near to you being able to afford the Private Health insurance your going to need without the NHS.
Are these competitor countries in the EU? Since the crash our economy has grown by 19% the Eurozone by 13%. Unemployment is higher across the bulk of Europe with the Frogs at two and a half times our rate and the Greeks five times as high. DFI continues to outpace the Eurozone, imagine how well we’ll do once the crippling uncertainty has gone and we leave the disastrous EU.
Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:10 pm
Jock wrote:epping blue wrote:Bluebird1990 wrote:Danny Says wrote:Bluebird1990 wrote:epping blue wrote:I thought Sir Alan Sugars comments were interesting.
"Jeremy Corbyn has turned Labour into a negative anti business party that is clueless on how the economy works. His spending splurge is complete madness. "
That, from a life long Labour supporter , a labour peer, an arch remainer and although a leading Jew, it contained no reference to any anti Semitism concerns. So concerned of Labour's threat to the economy, he's urging voters to vote for Boris Johnson. As usual its not reported by the BBC, it doesn't fit the narrative.
The country wakes up on Friday morning with Corbyn as PM then so be it. The Youth will get the European country they want and in short time they'll get the youth unemployment to match.
You've lost all credibility when your argument is to blame young people if Labour win.
It’s perfectly valid to blame the gullible youth if they blindly vote for a party who have malice aforethought for the economic base of the country, when they have no inkling of how devastating it was in the 1970’s under the control of the Unions.
The dangers of tactical voting also mustn’t be underestimated. In a lot of seats a vote for the Lib Dem’s or Brexit or any independent candidate will be as good as a vote for Corbyn.
Ok then, boomers are responsible for the global 2008 financial crisis and all the mess that came afterwards.
See i can generalise an entire generation too.
like i said all your credibility has gone out the window so whatever you say now can't be taken seriously.
I'm not blaming the youth, they've been brain washed into thinking that all for for free and comes with no consequences. It wont matter much to me whether we have a labour government or not, I wont be picking up the bill. That's for my kids and your kids, my employees and their kids. Employment prospects for those coming out of school / university will get very bad very quickly. If Alan Sugar is deserting Labour because of the catastrophic financial implications doesn't that deserve consideration. The BBC clearly think not.
Only a matter of time till this blatantly bias organisation loses public funding. Johnson was saying he wants to change evading the licence fee from a criminal to a civil offence.
Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:16 pm
dogfound wrote:Sneggyblubird wrote:epping blue wrote:Sneggyblubird wrote:The Mail on Sunday (MoS) falsely claimed that Labour was planning to scrap a tax exemption on homeowners, in a prominent story that has since been used by the Conservatives as part of their election campaign.
The press regulator Ipso ruled that the newspaper’s reporting was inaccurate and “could cause significant concern to readers that, under a Labour government, they could be liable to pay a tax they are exempt from under current legislation”.
The MoS headline was then used in Conservative campaign literature and shared by Tory politicians on social media.
The story said Labour wanted “to scrap the capital gains tax exemption on main homes”, citing a report called Land for the Many, written for Labour by a group of academics and campaigners.
Contrary to the newspaper’s claims, the third-party report explicitly rejected proposals to scrap the capital gains tax exemption for main homes, and instead recommended an annual levy on any increase in value of a property.
The erroneous article was published in June, and the press regulator ruled on the inaccuracy in November. The MoS must now publish Ipso’s ruling on page 2 of its print edition and on the top half of its website for 24 hours. But because the paper sought a review of the process by which the decision was made, publication of the correction has been delayed until after the election.
The thing that puzzles me is how they could tell this particular piece of BS from all the rest of their stories.Still be taken as gospel on here though.
There's virtually nothing from the land for the many report that's been brought forward to the current Labour manifesto. It would be toxic in a lot of their metropolitan heartlands. Can we take it that what's not been brought forward into the manifesto wont be legislated within the next government. No change to the Property tax system. No landlord / tenant sales discount. No real move to the Marxist principals that the state owns all the land. Is there a guarantee that all the proposals in the report that are not within their manifesto wont be brought forward. Of course there isn't.
Aye.a bit like Boris saying the NHS is not on the agenda with the yanks.
selling the NHS...I would expect this absolute nonsense from josh/dave. piledriver and the extremely gullible... but come on.. try reading the document.
the fact that it was a 1 day story which happened to conveniently deflect a poor interview should spell it out in super size ..
Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:20 pm
Steve Zodiak wrote:Sneggyblubird wrote:The Mail on Sunday (MoS) falsely claimed that Labour was planning to scrap a tax exemption on homeowners, in a prominent story that has since been used by the Conservatives as part of their election campaign.
The press regulator Ipso ruled that the newspaper’s reporting was inaccurate and “could cause significant concern to readers that, under a Labour government, they could be liable to pay a tax they are exempt from under current legislation”.
The MoS headline was then used in Conservative campaign literature and shared by Tory politicians on social media.
The story said Labour wanted “to scrap the capital gains tax exemption on main homes”, citing a report called Land for the Many, written for Labour by a group of academics and campaigners.
Contrary to the newspaper’s claims, the third-party report explicitly rejected proposals to scrap the capital gains tax exemption for main homes, and instead recommended an annual levy on any increase in value of a property.
The erroneous article was published in June, and the press regulator ruled on the inaccuracy in November. The MoS must now publish Ipso’s ruling on page 2 of its print edition and on the top half of its website for 24 hours. But because the paper sought a review of the process by which the decision was made, publication of the correction has been delayed until after the election.
The thing that puzzles me is how they could tell this particular piece of BS from all the rest of their stories.Still be taken as gospel on here though.
Anybody who believes anything in the press must be very gullible. I take The Mirror because I like it's sports pages. The news in there is about as accurate as The Beano, completely laughable. Only an idiot would take anything in the press seriously.
Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:25 pm
Camden_blue wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:34 pm
Jock wrote:dogfound wrote:Sneggyblubird wrote:epping blue wrote:Sneggyblubird wrote:The Mail on Sunday (MoS) falsely claimed that Labour was planning to scrap a tax exemption on homeowners, in a prominent story that has since been used by the Conservatives as part of their election campaign.
The press regulator Ipso ruled that the newspaper’s reporting was inaccurate and “could cause significant concern to readers that, under a Labour government, they could be liable to pay a tax they are exempt from under current legislation”.
The MoS headline was then used in Conservative campaign literature and shared by Tory politicians on social media.
The story said Labour wanted “to scrap the capital gains tax exemption on main homes”, citing a report called Land for the Many, written for Labour by a group of academics and campaigners.
Contrary to the newspaper’s claims, the third-party report explicitly rejected proposals to scrap the capital gains tax exemption for main homes, and instead recommended an annual levy on any increase in value of a property.
The erroneous article was published in June, and the press regulator ruled on the inaccuracy in November. The MoS must now publish Ipso’s ruling on page 2 of its print edition and on the top half of its website for 24 hours. But because the paper sought a review of the process by which the decision was made, publication of the correction has been delayed until after the election.
The thing that puzzles me is how they could tell this particular piece of BS from all the rest of their stories.Still be taken as gospel on here though.
There's virtually nothing from the land for the many report that's been brought forward to the current Labour manifesto. It would be toxic in a lot of their metropolitan heartlands. Can we take it that what's not been brought forward into the manifesto wont be legislated within the next government. No change to the Property tax system. No landlord / tenant sales discount. No real move to the Marxist principals that the state owns all the land. Is there a guarantee that all the proposals in the report that are not within their manifesto wont be brought forward. Of course there isn't.
Aye.a bit like Boris saying the NHS is not on the agenda with the yanks.
selling the NHS...I would expect this absolute nonsense from josh/dave. piledriver and the extremely gullible... but come on.. try reading the document.
the fact that it was a 1 day story which happened to conveniently deflect a poor interview should spell it out in super size ..
The NHS is the sacred cow of British politics it would be electoral suicide to sell it, yet every election we get this shite from Labour.
Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:55 pm
Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:58 pm
Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:00 pm
worcester_ccfc wrote:Wrong.
The information is incorrect.
I've now deleted the topic because it's a lie.
Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:01 pm
WhiteXmas wrote:worcester_ccfc wrote:Wrong.
The information is incorrect.
I've now deleted the topic because it's a lie.
I don’t think anyone is seriously claiming it is a lie anymore.
Where are you getting that from?
Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:02 pm
Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:05 pm
Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:05 pm
worcester_ccfc wrote:WhiteXmas wrote:worcester_ccfc wrote:Wrong.
The information is incorrect.
I've now deleted the topic because it's a lie.
I don’t think anyone is seriously claiming it is a lie anymore.
Where are you getting that from?
I know it's a lie. Conversation over.
Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:09 pm
worcester_ccfc wrote:Wrong.
The information is incorrect.
I've now deleted the topic because it's a lie.
Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:13 pm
dogfound wrote:worcester_ccfc wrote:Wrong.
The information is incorrect.
I've now deleted the topic because it's a lie.
its ok to not delete libelous rumours but ok to delete labour lies being put out there with the dirty washing ?