Brexit - Deal or No Deal ?

Afraid we now have mostly career politicians, and there are an ever decreasing number who take up this career because they genuinely care about those who elect them. Politicians will do what is best for themselves, and in the main do not give a hoot about the public they are meant to serve. The problem is even when they fail to get re-elected, they are replaced by more self serving idiots who are probably even better at fiddling expenses than their predecessors. If a politician comes out with a recommendation, you can bet that is because the person who will benefit most will be that politician.

Great post.

I read Labours Alan Johnson’s autobiography , he had a really tough upbringing, worked hard, joined a union and rose through the ranks eventually becoming a politician. I often disagree with his politics but have loads of respect for the man. Hard pressed to think of another in Westminster.

The closer we get to a new PM and Oct 31st the rats are getting desperate to stop us leaving ? They've condemned boris for possibly suspending parliament before Oct 31st so we leave, but the rats are trying every underhand trick to stop Brexit by using parliamentary Bill's for other reasons by adding on parts that could stop leave being implemented? And of course theres the impartial king rat bercaw who says he will try to find a way for parliament to stop leave another 400yr old law in the magna carta that no one's heared of maybe?

A nest of vipers.

They've used an amendment to the northern Ireland bill which had fck all to do with Brexit to make suspending Brexit slightly harder to do as MPs now have to report weekly ! It won by 1 vote ...... A total abuse of procedure and they got more underhand moves to do same nest of low life rather than vipers ..

Alan if I am not mistaken that ploy did not work and has been thrown out!

I have to be honest I really cant believe that Wales voted for Brexit. Can someone on here please explain to me why the voted leave? Real question, not baiting. From the perspective of a midlands fan looking in, Wales receives substantial amounts from the EU and is one of the biggest beneficiaries in the UK. Where as funding from the government in place has been appallingly low, to the extent that it borders on neglect.

Funding us with our money and telling us where we can spend it. Started out as a Common Market which seemed like a good idea, and was still a good idea when I voted to remain in the EEC. That has all changed over the years, and gradually more and more controls have been handed over to the EU. This is just the begining, and although I will probably not be around to see it, the aim is a United States of Europe where we are one of those states and will be run from Strasborg or somewhere similar. Wealth and commerce will obviously change, and the poorer countries will become richer and vice versa. In all probability, everyone will pay high taxes to stabalise the poorer economies, of which there a quite a few. Once the EU becomes a USE, there will never be a chance of leaving in the future, with a European Army responsible for defence. The states of Germany and France will have the biggest say, and ultimately will have achieved what they have been trying to do for a long time, running Europe. (All a bit tongue in cheek, but may not be a million miles away from the truth)

Your post is interesting as it is amusing! We live in Wales, we are living in one of the 'poorer economies!' We have been receiving Objective 1 for years because parts of Wales are recognised as the poorest regions in Europe. So to take your post in that context, remaining in the EU will make us as rich as England which I'm sure you will agree wouldn't be a bad thing?

Afraid we now have mostly career politicians, and there are an ever decreasing number who take up this career because they genuinely care about those who elect them. Politicians will do what is best for themselves, and in the main do not give a hoot about the public they are meant to serve. The problem is even when they fail to get re-elected, they are replaced by more self serving idiots who are probably even better at fiddling expenses than their predecessors. If a politician comes out with a recommendation, you can bet that is because the person who will benefit most will be that politician.

Great post.

I read Labours Alan Johnson’s autobiography , he had a really tough upbringing, worked hard, joined a union and rose through the ranks eventually becoming a politician. I often disagree with his politics but have loads of respect for the man. Hard pressed to think of another in Westminster.

The closer we get to a new PM and Oct 31st the rats are getting desperate to stop us leaving ? They've condemned boris for possibly suspending parliament before Oct 31st so we leave, but the rats are trying every underhand trick to stop Brexit by using parliamentary Bill's for other reasons by adding on parts that could stop leave being implemented? And of course theres the impartial king rat bercaw who says he will try to find a way for parliament to stop leave another 400yr old law in the magna carta that no one's heared of maybe?

A nest of vipers.

They've used an amendment to the northern Ireland bill which had fck all to do with Brexit to make suspending Brexit slightly harder to do as MPs now have to report weekly ! It won by 1 vote ...... A total abuse of procedure and they got more underhand moves to do same nest of low life rather than vipers ..

Alan if I am not mistaken that ploy did not work and has been thrown out!

Most were defeated but the one amendment past by 1 vote it means there as to be reports between Oct dec every week. Don't pretend to know ins and outs but the report says it makes suspending parliament slightly harder.... also it leaves door open for more of such things to be applied for at later date and with mercaw on their side anything can happen

I have to be honest I really cant believe that Wales voted for Brexit. Can someone on here please explain to me why the voted leave? Real question, not baiting. From the perspective of a midlands fan looking in, Wales receives substantial amounts from the EU and is one of the biggest beneficiaries in the UK. Where as funding from the government in place has been appallingly low, to the extent that it borders on neglect.

Funding us with our money and telling us where we can spend it. Started out as a Common Market which seemed like a good idea, and was still a good idea when I voted to remain in the EEC. That has all changed over the years, and gradually more and more controls have been handed over to the EU. This is just the begining, and although I will probably not be around to see it, the aim is a United States of Europe where we are one of those states and will be run from Strasborg or somewhere similar. Wealth and commerce will obviously change, and the poorer countries will become richer and vice versa. In all probability, everyone will pay high taxes to stabalise the poorer economies, of which there a quite a few. Once the EU becomes a USE, there will never be a chance of leaving in the future, with a European Army responsible for defence. The states of Germany and France will have the biggest say, and ultimately will have achieved what they have been trying to do for a long time, running Europe. (All a bit tongue in cheek, but may not be a million miles away from the truth)

Your post is interesting as it is amusing! We live in Wales, we are living in one of the 'poorer economies!' We have been receiving Objective 1 for years because parts of Wales are recognised as the poorest regions in Europe. So to take your post in that context, remaining in the EU will make us as rich as England which I'm sure you will agree wouldn't be a bad thing?

Slight problem with your post as EU as expanded there are more poorer countries than Wales, so we will either lose or wont get as much money from EU in future as these countries will get the money not Wales

I have to be honest I really cant believe that Wales voted for Brexit. Can someone on here please explain to me why the voted leave? Real question, not baiting. From the perspective of a midlands fan looking in, Wales receives substantial amounts from the EU and is one of the biggest beneficiaries in the UK. Where as funding from the government in place has been appallingly low, to the extent that it borders on neglect.

Funding us with our money and telling us where we can spend it. Started out as a Common Market which seemed like a good idea, and was still a good idea when I voted to remain in the EEC. That has all changed over the years, and gradually more and more controls have been handed over to the EU. This is just the begining, and although I will probably not be around to see it, the aim is a United States of Europe where we are one of those states and will be run from Strasborg or somewhere similar. Wealth and commerce will obviously change, and the poorer countries will become richer and vice versa. In all probability, everyone will pay high taxes to stabalise the poorer economies, of which there a quite a few. Once the EU becomes a USE, there will never be a chance of leaving in the future, with a European Army responsible for defence. The states of Germany and France will have the biggest say, and ultimately will have achieved what they have been trying to do for a long time, running Europe. (All a bit tongue in cheek, but may not be a million miles away from the truth)

Your post is interesting as it is amusing! We live in Wales, we are living in one of the 'poorer economies!' We have been receiving Objective 1 for years because parts of Wales are recognised as the poorest regions in Europe. So to take your post in that context, remaining in the EU will make us as rich as England which I'm sure you will agree wouldn't be a bad thing?

Of the Eurozone countries only Germany and the Netherlands have benefited from membership. The EU are now pushing for a centralised tax policy, which will again benefit the Krauts at the expense of smaller countries. They want an EU Army, who’s going to pay for that? Because none of them, apart from ourselves, are currently meeting the 2% of GDP spend for NATO. Amusing that Welsh Natz are driven by nothing more than a hatred of England but can’t wait to hand over sovereignty to Junkers and Barnier.

I have to be honest I really cant believe that Wales voted for Brexit. Can someone on here please explain to me why the voted leave? Real question, not baiting. From the perspective of a midlands fan looking in, Wales receives substantial amounts from the EU and is one of the biggest beneficiaries in the UK. Where as funding from the government in place has been appallingly low, to the extent that it borders on neglect.

Funding us with our money and telling us where we can spend it. Started out as a Common Market which seemed like a good idea, and was still a good idea when I voted to remain in the EEC. That has all changed over the years, and gradually more and more controls have been handed over to the EU. This is just the begining, and although I will probably not be around to see it, the aim is a United States of Europe where we are one of those states and will be run from Strasborg or somewhere similar. Wealth and commerce will obviously change, and the poorer countries will become richer and vice versa. In all probability, everyone will pay high taxes to stabalise the poorer economies, of which there a quite a few. Once the EU becomes a USE, there will never be a chance of leaving in the future, with a European Army responsible for defence. The states of Germany and France will have the biggest say, and ultimately will have achieved what they have been trying to do for a long time, running Europe. (All a bit tongue in cheek, but may not be a million miles away from the truth)

Your post is interesting as it is amusing! We live in Wales, we are living in one of the 'poorer economies!' We have been receiving Objective 1 for years because parts of Wales are recognised as the poorest regions in Europe. So to take your post in that context, remaining in the EU will make us as rich as England which I'm sure you will agree wouldn't be a bad thing?

Slight problem with your post as EU as expanded there are more poorer countries than Wales, so we will either lose or wont get as much money from EU in future as these countries will get the money not Wales

It’s our money, they give us fekk all. We are net contributors.

I have to be honest I really cant believe that Wales voted for Brexit. Can someone on here please explain to me why the voted leave? Real question, not baiting. From the perspective of a midlands fan looking in, Wales receives substantial amounts from the EU and is one of the biggest beneficiaries in the UK. Where as funding from the government in place has been appallingly low, to the extent that it borders on neglect.

Funding us with our money and telling us where we can spend it. Started out as a Common Market which seemed like a good idea, and was still a good idea when I voted to remain in the EEC. That has all changed over the years, and gradually more and more controls have been handed over to the EU. This is just the begining, and although I will probably not be around to see it, the aim is a United States of Europe where we are one of those states and will be run from Strasborg or somewhere similar. Wealth and commerce will obviously change, and the poorer countries will become richer and vice versa. In all probability, everyone will pay high taxes to stabalise the poorer economies, of which there a quite a few. Once the EU becomes a USE, there will never be a chance of leaving in the future, with a European Army responsible for defence. The states of Germany and France will have the biggest say, and ultimately will have achieved what they have been trying to do for a long time, running Europe. (All a bit tongue in cheek, but may not be a million miles away from the truth)

Your post is interesting as it is amusing! We live in Wales, we are living in one of the 'poorer economies!' We have been receiving Objective 1 for years because parts of Wales are recognised as the poorest regions in Europe. So to take your post in that context, remaining in the EU will make us as rich as England which I'm sure you will agree wouldn't be a bad thing?

Slight problem with your post as EU as expanded there are more poorer countries than Wales, so we will either lose or wont get as much money from EU in future as these countries will get the money not Wales

5 / 6 countries with very low GDP due to join in the next couple of years. Just when the money supply around the EU is getting tighter.

I have to be honest I really cant believe that Wales voted for Brexit. Can someone on here please explain to me why the voted leave? Real question, not baiting. From the perspective of a midlands fan looking in, Wales receives substantial amounts from the EU and is one of the biggest beneficiaries in the UK. Where as funding from the government in place has been appallingly low, to the extent that it borders on neglect.

Funding us with our money and telling us where we can spend it. Started out as a Common Market which seemed like a good idea, and was still a good idea when I voted to remain in the EEC. That has all changed over the years, and gradually more and more controls have been handed over to the EU. This is just the begining, and although I will probably not be around to see it, the aim is a United States of Europe where we are one of those states and will be run from Strasborg or somewhere similar. Wealth and commerce will obviously change, and the poorer countries will become richer and vice versa. In all probability, everyone will pay high taxes to stabalise the poorer economies, of which there a quite a few. Once the EU becomes a USE, there will never be a chance of leaving in the future, with a European Army responsible for defence. The states of Germany and France will have the biggest say, and ultimately will have achieved what they have been trying to do for a long time, running Europe. (All a bit tongue in cheek, but may not be a million miles away from the truth)

Your post is interesting as it is amusing! We live in Wales, we are living in one of the 'poorer economies!' We have been receiving Objective 1 for years because parts of Wales are recognised as the poorest regions in Europe. So to take your post in that context, remaining in the EU will make us as rich as England which I'm sure you will agree wouldn't be a bad thing?

Slight problem with your post as EU as expanded there are more poorer countries than Wales, so we will either lose or wont get as much money from EU in future as these countries will get the money not Wales

5 / 6 countries with very low GDP due to join in the next couple of years. Just when the money supply around the EU is getting tighter.

Yes it's already started the reducing of monies to Wales, but I do question what the money is used for its suppose to boost jobs businesses ect but in reality it's used for things like museums cycle paths to nowhere and not used by cyclists the list is endless! If you believe reports WAG as waisted 4billion since its inception .

I have to be honest I really cant believe that Wales voted for Brexit. Can someone on here please explain to me why the voted leave? Real question, not baiting. From the perspective of a midlands fan looking in, Wales receives substantial amounts from the EU and is one of the biggest beneficiaries in the UK. Where as funding from the government in place has been appallingly low, to the extent that it borders on neglect.

Funding us with our money and telling us where we can spend it. Started out as a Common Market which seemed like a good idea, and was still a good idea when I voted to remain in the EEC. That has all changed over the years, and gradually more and more controls have been handed over to the EU. This is just the begining, and although I will probably not be around to see it, the aim is a United States of Europe where we are one of those states and will be run from Strasborg or somewhere similar. Wealth and commerce will obviously change, and the poorer countries will become richer and vice versa. In all probability, everyone will pay high taxes to stabalise the poorer economies, of which there a quite a few. Once the EU becomes a USE, there will never be a chance of leaving in the future, with a European Army responsible for defence. The states of Germany and France will have the biggest say, and ultimately will have achieved what they have been trying to do for a long time, running Europe. (All a bit tongue in cheek, but may not be a million miles away from the truth)

Your post is interesting as it is amusing! We live in Wales, we are living in one of the 'poorer economies!' We have been receiving Objective 1 for years because parts of Wales are recognised as the poorest regions in Europe. So to take your post in that context, remaining in the EU will make us as rich as England which I'm sure you will agree wouldn't be a bad thing?

Slight problem with your post as EU as expanded there are more poorer countries than Wales, so we will either lose or wont get as much money from EU in future as these countries will get the money not Wales

It’s our money, they give us fekk all. We are net contributors.

Yes I know and that's next arguement what will Westminster give us to replace what EU gives us? Its simply Peter robbing Paul scenario

I have to be honest I really cant believe that Wales voted for Brexit. Can someone on here please explain to me why the voted leave? Real question, not baiting. From the perspective of a midlands fan looking in, Wales receives substantial amounts from the EU and is one of the biggest beneficiaries in the UK. Where as funding from the government in place has been appallingly low, to the extent that it borders on neglect.

Funding us with our money and telling us where we can spend it. Started out as a Common Market which seemed like a good idea, and was still a good idea when I voted to remain in the EEC. That has all changed over the years, and gradually more and more controls have been handed over to the EU. This is just the begining, and although I will probably not be around to see it, the aim is a United States of Europe where we are one of those states and will be run from Strasborg or somewhere similar. Wealth and commerce will obviously change, and the poorer countries will become richer and vice versa. In all probability, everyone will pay high taxes to stabalise the poorer economies, of which there a quite a few. Once the EU becomes a USE, there will never be a chance of leaving in the future, with a European Army responsible for defence. The states of Germany and France will have the biggest say, and ultimately will have achieved what they have been trying to do for a long time, running Europe. (All a bit tongue in cheek, but may not be a million miles away from the truth)

Your post is interesting as it is amusing! We live in Wales, we are living in one of the 'poorer economies!' We have been receiving Objective 1 for years because parts of Wales are recognised as the poorest regions in Europe. So to take your post in that context, remaining in the EU will make us as rich as England which I'm sure you will agree wouldn't be a bad thing?

Of the Eurozone countries only Germany and the Netherlands have benefited from membership. The EU are now pushing for a centralised tax policy, which will again benefit the Krauts at the expense of smaller countries. They want an EU Army, who’s going to pay for that? Because none of them, apart from ourselves, are currently meeting the 2% of GDP spend for NATO. Amusing that Welsh Natz are driven by nothing more than a hatred of England but can’t wait to hand over sovereignty to Junkers and Barnier.

Like you say, the Welsh Nationalists seem to hate everything English, but are happy enough to hand over control of Wales to the Germans & French. I was under the impression that thousands of Welsh people gave their lives to keep the UK (of which we are a part) free from foreign control. Seems like we have a new generation who will be perfectly happy to pay through their noses to subsidise the poorer EU nations, even though our own country is already in a financial mess.

I have to be honest I really cant believe that Wales voted for Brexit. Can someone on here please explain to me why the voted leave? Real question, not baiting. From the perspective of a midlands fan looking in, Wales receives substantial amounts from the EU and is one of the biggest beneficiaries in the UK. Where as funding from the government in place has been appallingly low, to the extent that it borders on neglect.

Funding us with our money and telling us where we can spend it. Started out as a Common Market which seemed like a good idea, and was still a good idea when I voted to remain in the EEC. That has all changed over the years, and gradually more and more controls have been handed over to the EU. This is just the begining, and although I will probably not be around to see it, the aim is a United States of Europe where we are one of those states and will be run from Strasborg or somewhere similar. Wealth and commerce will obviously change, and the poorer countries will become richer and vice versa. In all probability, everyone will pay high taxes to stabalise the poorer economies, of which there a quite a few. Once the EU becomes a USE, there will never be a chance of leaving in the future, with a European Army responsible for defence. The states of Germany and France will have the biggest say, and ultimately will have achieved what they have been trying to do for a long time, running Europe. (All a bit tongue in cheek, but may not be a million miles away from the truth)

Your post is interesting as it is amusing! We live in Wales, we are living in one of the 'poorer economies!' We have been receiving Objective 1 for years because parts of Wales are recognised as the poorest regions in Europe. So to take your post in that context, remaining in the EU will make us as rich as England which I'm sure you will agree wouldn't be a bad thing?

Slight problem with your post as EU as expanded there are more poorer countries than Wales, so we will either lose or wont get as much money from EU in future as these countries will get the money not Wales

That's been the problem all along with the Brexit argument. The south of England and other areas are doing very nicely and Brexit won't effect them, but as this graphic shows, Wales remains one of the poorest regions in Europe. Seek the truth, Brexit is all about English nationalism, they don't give a f@+%k about Wales and we voted just like turkey voted for Christmas and we will keep doing it until we wake up

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I have to be honest I really cant believe that Wales voted for Brexit. Can someone on here please explain to me why the voted leave? Real question, not baiting. From the perspective of a midlands fan looking in, Wales receives substantial amounts from the EU and is one of the biggest beneficiaries in the UK. Where as funding from the government in place has been appallingly low, to the extent that it borders on neglect.

Funding us with our money and telling us where we can spend it. Started out as a Common Market which seemed like a good idea, and was still a good idea when I voted to remain in the EEC. That has all changed over the years, and gradually more and more controls have been handed over to the EU. This is just the begining, and although I will probably not be around to see it, the aim is a United States of Europe where we are one of those states and will be run from Strasborg or somewhere similar. Wealth and commerce will obviously change, and the poorer countries will become richer and vice versa. In all probability, everyone will pay high taxes to stabalise the poorer economies, of which there a quite a few. Once the EU becomes a USE, there will never be a chance of leaving in the future, with a European Army responsible for defence. The states of Germany and France will have the biggest say, and ultimately will have achieved what they have been trying to do for a long time, running Europe. (All a bit tongue in cheek, but may not be a million miles away from the truth)

Your post is interesting as it is amusing! We live in Wales, we are living in one of the 'poorer economies!' We have been receiving Objective 1 for years because parts of Wales are recognised as the poorest regions in Europe. So to take your post in that context, remaining in the EU will make us as rich as England which I'm sure you will agree wouldn't be a bad thing?

Slight problem with your post as EU as expanded there are more poorer countries than Wales, so we will either lose or wont get as much money from EU in future as these countries will get the money not Wales

That's been the problem all along with the Brexit argument. The south of England and other areas are doing very nicely and Brexit won't effect them, but as this graphic shows, Wales remains one of the poorest regions in Europe. Seek the truth, Brexit is all about English nationalism, they don't give a f@+%k about Wales and we voted just like turkey voted for Christmas and we will keep doing it until we wake up

We’ve been in the EU/Common Market for over 40 years, Wales is still a relatively poor region but it’s all the evil English fault.

Welsh Nats have no shame, it’s all about how much they can scav off the English or EU.
Independence my arse...

Welsh Nats have no shame, it’s all about how much they can scav off the English or EU.
Independence my arse...

So it's ok to be an English Nat but not a Welsh Nat eh? Oh well each to his own.

I have to be honest I really cant believe that Wales voted for Brexit. Can someone on here please explain to me why the voted leave? Real question, not baiting. From the perspective of a midlands fan looking in, Wales receives substantial amounts from the EU and is one of the biggest beneficiaries in the UK. Where as funding from the government in place has been appallingly low, to the extent that it borders on neglect.

Funding us with our money and telling us where we can spend it. Started out as a Common Market which seemed like a good idea, and was still a good idea when I voted to remain in the EEC. That has all changed over the years, and gradually more and more controls have been handed over to the EU. This is just the begining, and although I will probably not be around to see it, the aim is a United States of Europe where we are one of those states and will be run from Strasborg or somewhere similar. Wealth and commerce will obviously change, and the poorer countries will become richer and vice versa. In all probability, everyone will pay high taxes to stabalise the poorer economies, of which there a quite a few. Once the EU becomes a USE, there will never be a chance of leaving in the future, with a European Army responsible for defence. The states of Germany and France will have the biggest say, and ultimately will have achieved what they have been trying to do for a long time, running Europe. (All a bit tongue in cheek, but may not be a million miles away from the truth)

Your post is interesting as it is amusing! We live in Wales, we are living in one of the 'poorer economies!' We have been receiving Objective 1 for years because parts of Wales are recognised as the poorest regions in Europe. So to take your post in that context, remaining in the EU will make us as rich as England which I'm sure you will agree wouldn't be a bad thing?

Slight problem with your post as EU as expanded there are more poorer countries than Wales, so we will either lose or wont get as much money from EU in future as these countries will get the money not Wales

That's been the problem all along with the Brexit argument. The south of England and other areas are doing very nicely and Brexit won't effect them, but as this graphic shows, Wales remains one of the poorest regions in Europe. Seek the truth, Brexit is all about English nationalism, they don't give a f@+%k about Wales and we voted just like turkey voted for Christmas and we will keep doing it until we wake up

We’ve been in the EU/Common Market for over 40 years, Wales is still a relatively poor region but it’s all the evil English fault.

Well the truth is, Wales have received Objective 1 as one of the poorest regions of the EU for over 20 years. This money was supposed to be match funded by Westminster but the Government at the time (Blair Labour) refused to do this. As a result we have only received half of the money that the other regions have had because their governments match funded their money. Had we had received the correct money we might not be in the 'deep red' as on the map. So it's not all Europe's fault but the Daily Mail etc will tell you differently. As I sais perviously turkeys...Christmas

I have to be honest I really cant believe that Wales voted for Brexit. Can someone on here please explain to me why the voted leave? Real question, not baiting. From the perspective of a midlands fan looking in, Wales receives substantial amounts from the EU and is one of the biggest beneficiaries in the UK. Where as funding from the government in place has been appallingly low, to the extent that it borders on neglect.

Funding us with our money and telling us where we can spend it. Started out as a Common Market which seemed like a good idea, and was still a good idea when I voted to remain in the EEC. That has all changed over the years, and gradually more and more controls have been handed over to the EU. This is just the begining, and although I will probably not be around to see it, the aim is a United States of Europe where we are one of those states and will be run from Strasborg or somewhere similar. Wealth and commerce will obviously change, and the poorer countries will become richer and vice versa. In all probability, everyone will pay high taxes to stabalise the poorer economies, of which there a quite a few. Once the EU becomes a USE, there will never be a chance of leaving in the future, with a European Army responsible for defence. The states of Germany and France will have the biggest say, and ultimately will have achieved what they have been trying to do for a long time, running Europe. (All a bit tongue in cheek, but may not be a million miles away from the truth)

Your post is interesting as it is amusing! We live in Wales, we are living in one of the 'poorer economies!' We have been receiving Objective 1 for years because parts of Wales are recognised as the poorest regions in Europe. So to take your post in that context, remaining in the EU will make us as rich as England which I'm sure you will agree wouldn't be a bad thing?

Slight problem with your post as EU as expanded there are more poorer countries than Wales, so we will either lose or wont get as much money from EU in future as these countries will get the money not Wales

That's been the problem all along with the Brexit argument. The south of England and other areas are doing very nicely and Brexit won't effect them, but as this graphic shows, Wales remains one of the poorest regions in Europe. Seek the truth, Brexit is all about English nationalism, they don't give a f@+%k about Wales and we voted just like turkey voted for Christmas and we will keep doing it until we wake up

We’ve been in the EU/Common Market for over 40 years, Wales is still a relatively poor region but it’s all the evil English fault.

Well the truth is, Wales have received Objective 1 as one of the poorest regions of the EU for over 20 years. This money was supposed to be match funded by Westminster but the Government at the time (Blair Labour) refused to do this. As a result we have only received half of the money that the other regions have had because their governments match funded their money. Had we had received the correct money we might not be in the 'deep red' as on the map. So it's not all Europe's fault but the Daily Mail etc will tell you differently. As I sais perviously turkeys...Christmas

The argument about net contribution doesnt really hold water though, as the EU enables free trade still which accounts for roughly 60-80 billion of the UKs GDP. It's far more complicated than what we directly pay and what we directly receive. This trade will be heavily damaged by leaving the EU as we are going to have to re-write legislation that allows us to trade with other companies, not just trade agreements, but legal quality standards. During that period trade with the EU will be heavily subdued.

Regarding not wanting to have the laws written by the EU, what exact laws do people not like having written on their behalf? At the moment I cant think of any that seem so insidious that we are going to, at least in the short term, hamstrung our economy.

Welsh Nats have no shame, it’s all about how much they can scav off the English or EU.
Independence my arse...

So it's ok to be an English Nat but not a Welsh Nat eh? Oh well each to his own.

England is independent. Probably wants to bin Wales, but of an Albatross you see.

What the Nats want on both sides.

Welsh Nats have no shame, it’s all about how much they can scav off the English or EU.
Independence my arse...

So it's ok to be an English Nat but not a Welsh Nat eh? Oh well each to his own.

England is independent. Probably wants to bin Wales, but of an Albatross you see.

What the Nats want on both sides.

Aye,along with the north,the south west as well as wales.

Welsh Nats have no shame, it’s all about how much they can scav off the English or EU.
Independence my arse...

So it's ok to be an English Nat but not a Welsh Nat eh? Oh well each to his own.

England is independent. Probably wants to bin Wales, but of an Albatross you see.

What the Nats want on both sides.

Brexit is all about England's independence so we're told. Fine let them have it, but we're been taken over the cliff with them.

You’d be over the cliff without them..

Welsh Nats have no shame, it’s all about how much they can scav off the English or EU.
Independence my arse...

So it's ok to be an English Nat but not a Welsh Nat eh? Oh well each to his own.

England is independent. Probably wants to bin Wales, but of an Albatross you see.

What the Nats want on both sides.[/q]

Aye,along with the north,the south west as well as wales.

Think the North East voted no to independence. Wales mistakenly voted yes, and it’s been a disaster. Welsh politicians have exposed for the buffoons we knew they were.

Clearly the options should be:
Brexit with a decent deal
Brexit no deal
Remain
And the best option is remain and
IMHO Some utter garbage on here about the benefits of no deal the. Probably written by the older retired community who have less to lose than the younger generation.
How on earth did we end up with the incompetent windbag Boris Johnson as likely prime minister the boasting that he will take Britain out come what may. the. Possibly leading to the break up of the UK due to outdated little England colonial mentality.
If that happens then maybe it's time to all get behind.....who?
Perhaps Bluegog is correct.... after all his posts make more sense than most of the others in here.
Yma o hyd

Clearly the options should be:
Brexit with a decent deal
Brexit no deal
Remain
And the best option is remain and
IMHO Some utter garbage on here about the benefits of no deal the. Probably written by the older retired community who have less to lose than the younger generation.
How on earth did we end up with the incompetent windbag Boris Johnson as likely prime minister the boasting that he will take Britain out come what may. the. Possibly leading to the break up of the UK due to outdated little England colonial mentality.
If that happens then maybe it's time to all get behind.....who?
Perhaps Bluegog is correct.... after all his posts make more sense than most of the others in here.
Yma o hyd

I am under no illusions Brexit will be challenging and think we’re in for a tough couple of years but I voted leave for my children and grand children, so your less to lose jibe is idiotic. Do you think individual sovereign nations should have their tax rates set by unelected Eurocrats in Brussels, do you think our national security should be in the hands of an EU Army, are you happy for the EU to continue expanding. Over forty years we’ve been in the EU and Wales is still lagging behind many parts of the U.K. but it’s all the fault of England, so why are you voting for, what you believe is, the status quo?

Clearly the options should be:
Brexit with a decent deal
Brexit no deal
Remain
And the best option is remain and
IMHO Some utter garbage on here about the benefits of no deal the. Probably written by the older retired community who have less to lose than the younger generation.
How on earth did we end up with the incompetent windbag Boris Johnson as likely prime minister the boasting that he will take Britain out come what may. the. Possibly leading to the break up of the UK due to outdated little England colonial mentality.
If that happens then maybe it's time to all get behind.....who?
Perhaps Bluegog is correct.... after all his posts make more sense than most of the others in here.
Yma o hyd

So what's the remain deal should we stay in ?

Monetary union 2 years, 5 years. No longer than that surely

Further expansion. 6 in the latter stages of negotiating. Turkey still have their application pending. What about the caucuses ? Ukraine, Moldova, Belarus. Norway and Switzerland finally realising they cant possibly survive outside the EU.

Which countries will go from being beneficiaries to contributors ? Luxembourg, Belgium, Poland Anyone

Who'll be the first to default on payment ? Greece, Italy

How far will political union go ? The change in the European union between voting to remain in the common market in 75 and voting out in 2016 was massive. So what does the next 10 - 20 years have in store as there's no status quo in the European Union. If its almost impossible to leave the union now what chance in the future ? Does this institution that promotes itself as one of liberty want us handcuffed by the goolies ?

Which country will be first to crash out of Europe due to civil unrest ? Hungary, Poland, any of the Balkans, Us ? Within 10 years I'd say.

Clearly the options should be:
Brexit with a decent deal
Brexit no deal
Remain
And the best option is remain and
IMHO Some utter garbage on here about the benefits of no deal the. Probably written by the older retired community who have less to lose than the younger generation.
How on earth did we end up with the incompetent windbag Boris Johnson as likely prime minister the boasting that he will take Britain out come what may. the. Possibly leading to the break up of the UK due to outdated little England colonial mentality.
If that happens then maybe it's time to all get behind.....who?
Perhaps Bluegog is correct.... after all his posts make more sense than most of the others in here.
Yma o hyd

So what's the remain deal should we stay in ?

Monetary union 2 years, 5 years. No longer than that surely

Further expansion. 6 in the latter stages of negotiating. Turkey still have their application pending. What about the caucuses ? Ukraine, Moldova, Belarus. Norway and Switzerland finally realising they cant possibly survive outside the EU.

Which countries will go from being beneficiaries to contributors ? Luxembourg, Belgium, Poland Anyone

Who'll be the first to default on payment ? Greece, Italy

How far will political union go ? The change in the European union between voting to remain in the common market in 75 and voting out in 2016 was massive. So what does the next 10 - 20 years have in store as there's no status quo in the European Union. If its almost impossible to leave the union now what chance in the future ? Does this institution that promotes itself as one of liberty want us handcuffed by the goolies ?

Which country will be first to crash out of Europe due to civil unrest ? Hungary, Poland, any of the Balkans, Us ? Within 10 years I'd say.

What's a decent Brexit deal? One that labour liberals like and if its labour it will be with customs union ! why should remain be on ballot paper the country voted out no need to have it voted on again as haven't implemented 1st vote....

I have to be honest I really cant believe that Wales voted for Brexit. Can someone on here please explain to me why the voted leave? Real question, not baiting. From the perspective of a midlands fan looking in, Wales receives substantial amounts from the EU and is one of the biggest beneficiaries in the UK. Where as funding from the government in place has been appallingly low, to the extent that it borders on neglect.

Funding us with our money and telling us where we can spend it. Started out as a Common Market which seemed like a good idea, and was still a good idea when I voted to remain in the EEC. That has all changed over the years, and gradually more and more controls have been handed over to the EU. This is just the begining, and although I will probably not be around to see it, the aim is a United States of Europe where we are one of those states and will be run from Strasborg or somewhere similar. Wealth and commerce will obviously change, and the poorer countries will become richer and vice versa. In all probability, everyone will pay high taxes to stabalise the poorer economies, of which there a quite a few. Once the EU becomes a USE, there will never be a chance of leaving in the future, with a European Army responsible for defence. The states of Germany and France will have the biggest say, and ultimately will have achieved what they have been trying to do for a long time, running Europe. (All a bit tongue in cheek, but may not be a million miles away from the truth)

Your post is interesting as it is amusing! We live in Wales, we are living in one of the 'poorer economies!' We have been receiving Objective 1 for years because parts of Wales are recognised as the poorest regions in Europe. So to take your post in that context, remaining in the EU will make us as rich as England which I'm sure you will agree wouldn't be a bad thing?

Slight problem with your post as EU as expanded there are more poorer countries than Wales, so we will either lose or wont get as much money from EU in future as these countries will get the money not Wales

That's been the problem all along with the Brexit argument. The south of England and other areas are doing very nicely and Brexit won't effect them, but as this graphic shows, Wales remains one of the poorest regions in Europe. Seek the truth, Brexit is all about English nationalism, they don't give a f@+%k about Wales and we voted just like turkey voted for Christmas and we will keep doing it until we wake up

As I said and you did not allude to it wales is going to get less money from EU because we will not be eligible for the money compared to all the poorer nations who have recently joined and the ones waiting to join! As for graphics bit like statistics you believe what you want them to say..

Welsh Nats have no shame, it’s all about how much they can scav off the English or EU.
Independence my arse...

So it's ok to be an English Nat but not a Welsh Nat eh? Oh well each to his own.

England is independent. Probably wants to bin Wales, but of an Albatross you see.

What the Nats want on both sides.[/q]

Aye,along with the north,the south west as well as wales.

Think the North East voted no to independence. Wales mistakenly voted yes, and it’s been a disaster. Welsh politicians have exposed for the buffoons we knew they were.

Have I missed something? So we're independent now! I think you mean the Senedd down the Bay? If you put politiciant who care about Wales there they'll do a job. I agree Labour isn't working for Wales but then neither is Westminster.

I have to be honest I really cant believe that Wales voted for Brexit. Can someone on here please explain to me why the voted leave? Real question, not baiting. From the perspective of a midlands fan looking in, Wales receives substantial amounts from the EU and is one of the biggest beneficiaries in the UK. Where as funding from the government in place has been appallingly low, to the extent that it borders on neglect.

Funding us with our money and telling us where we can spend it. Started out as a Common Market which seemed like a good idea, and was still a good idea when I voted to remain in the EEC. That has all changed over the years, and gradually more and more controls have been handed over to the EU. This is just the begining, and although I will probably not be around to see it, the aim is a United States of Europe where we are one of those states and will be run from Strasborg or somewhere similar. Wealth and commerce will obviously change, and the poorer countries will become richer and vice versa. In all probability, everyone will pay high taxes to stabalise the poorer economies, of which there a quite a few. Once the EU becomes a USE, there will never be a chance of leaving in the future, with a European Army responsible for defence. The states of Germany and France will have the biggest say, and ultimately will have achieved what they have been trying to do for a long time, running Europe. (All a bit tongue in cheek, but may not be a million miles away from the truth)

Your post is interesting as it is amusing! We live in Wales, we are living in one of the 'poorer economies!' We have been receiving Objective 1 for years because parts of Wales are recognised as the poorest regions in Europe. So to take your post in that context, remaining in the EU will make us as rich as England which I'm sure you will agree wouldn't be a bad thing?

Slight problem with your post as EU as expanded there are more poorer countries than Wales, so we will either lose or wont get as much money from EU in future as these countries will get the money not Wales

That's been the problem all along with the Brexit argument. The south of England and other areas are doing very nicely and Brexit won't effect them, but as this graphic shows, Wales remains one of the poorest regions in Europe. Seek the truth, Brexit is all about English nationalism, they don't give a f@+%k about Wales and we voted just like turkey voted for Christmas and we will keep doing it until we wake up

As I said and you did not allude to it wales is going to get less money from EU because we will not be eligible for the money compared to all the poorer nations who have recently joined and the ones waiting to join! As for graphics bit like statistics you believe what you want them to say..

Especially when the graphic contains countries not even in the EU

Clearly the options should be:
Brexit with a decent deal
Brexit no deal
Remain
And the best option is remain and
IMHO Some utter garbage on here about the benefits of no deal the. Probably written by the older retired community who have less to lose than the younger generation.
How on earth did we end up with the incompetent windbag Boris Johnson as likely prime minister the boasting that he will take Britain out come what may. the. Possibly leading to the break up of the UK due to outdated little England colonial mentality.
If that happens then maybe it's time to all get behind.....who?
Perhaps Bluegog is correct.... after all his posts make more sense than most of the others in here.
Yma o hyd

I am under no illusions Brexit will be challenging and think we’re in for a tough couple of years but I voted leave for my children and grand children, so your less to lose jibe is idiotic. Do you think individual sovereign nations should have their tax rates set by unelected Eurocrats in Brussels, do you think our national security should be in the hands of an EU Army, are you happy for the EU to continue expanding. Over forty years we’ve been in the EU and Wales is still lagging behind many parts of the U.K. but it’s all the fault of England, so why are you voting for, what you believe is, the status quo?

72% of 18-24 year olds voted remain so you voted to leave for something which young people evidently don't want. Bet they'll thank you for that.
Whilst we're in the EU there won't be an EU army because we use our veto on it, the only way to get an EU army is for brexit to happen so you've again voted for something you don't want.
Wales became part of the UK and joined up with England in the 1700s and you admit they're still lagging behind yet you blame 40 years of being in the EU as the reason.....

I have to be honest I really cant believe that Wales voted for Brexit. Can someone on here please explain to me why the voted leave? Real question, not baiting. From the perspective of a midlands fan looking in, Wales receives substantial amounts from the EU and is one of the biggest beneficiaries in the UK. Where as funding from the government in place has been appallingly low, to the extent that it borders on neglect.

Funding us with our money and telling us where we can spend it. Started out as a Common Market which seemed like a good idea, and was still a good idea when I voted to remain in the EEC. That has all changed over the years, and gradually more and more controls have been handed over to the EU. This is just the begining, and although I will probably not be around to see it, the aim is a United States of Europe where we are one of those states and will be run from Strasborg or somewhere similar. Wealth and commerce will obviously change, and the poorer countries will become richer and vice versa. In all probability, everyone will pay high taxes to stabalise the poorer economies, of which there a quite a few. Once the EU becomes a USE, there will never be a chance of leaving in the future, with a European Army responsible for defence. The states of Germany and France will have the biggest say, and ultimately will have achieved what they have been trying to do for a long time, running Europe. (All a bit tongue in cheek, but may not be a million miles away from the truth)

Your post is interesting as it is amusing! We live in Wales, we are living in one of the 'poorer economies!' We have been receiving Objective 1 for years because parts of Wales are recognised as the poorest regions in Europe. So to take your post in that context, remaining in the EU will make us as rich as England which I'm sure you will agree wouldn't be a bad thing?

Slight problem with your post as EU as expanded there are more poorer countries than Wales, so we will either lose or wont get as much money from EU in future as these countries will get the money not Wales

That's been the problem all along with the Brexit argument. The south of England and other areas are doing very nicely and Brexit won't effect them, but as this graphic shows, Wales remains one of the poorest regions in Europe. Seek the truth, Brexit is all about English nationalism, they don't give a f@+%k about Wales and we voted just like turkey voted for Christmas and we will keep doing it until we wake up

As I said and you did not allude to it wales is going to get less money from EU because we will not be eligible for the money compared to all the poorer nations who have recently joined and the ones waiting to join! As for graphics bit like statistics you believe what you want them to say..

Especially when the graphic contains countries not even in the EU

It was a map showing the poorest areas of Europe. Even a simpleton can use it to analyse information