Cardiff City Forum



A forum for all things Cardiff City

Re: Would you vote to scrap the Welsh Assembly?

Sat Jan 28, 2017 11:44 am

Under the previous system,Wales would vote Labour (f**k knows why) and we would get a Tory gov.

In the 80s, we were governed from the Wales Office by an unlelected Secretary of State, often elected from English constituencies (John Redwood being the classic example). He would control a billion dollar budget and have no accountability whatsoever.

Would you really go back to that model? That's less f*cking democratic than the Eu

Re: Would you vote to scrap the Welsh Assembly

Sat Jan 28, 2017 12:34 pm

BlueGog wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Cwmann_Bluebird wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Magners wrote:Sprinkler systems must be installed in every, New Build House. No such rule in England.

All Landlords in Wales to do a course, get a License and register their properties. No such rule in England.

Lowest exam results in the U.K.

Longest waiting lists in the NHS.

In my opinion the Welsh Assembly have not improved anything for the people of Wales and is just a waste of money.

If there was a vote on it, I would vote to scrap it.

I would scrap it ,Jones are wood are useless

Leanne Wood is not part of the Welsh Government.

So here and her partys vote isn5 deciding now labour don't have a majority?



Keep up with things man, Labour do have a majority at the assembly! :sleepy2:

I thought Labour had 29 of the 60 AM's. I may be wrong as I have little interest in the Welsh Government, but I was under the impression that they did not have a majority following the last election.

Re: Would you vote to scrap the Welsh Assembly?

Sat Jan 28, 2017 1:04 pm

Just another point, how weak and spineless do you have to be to vote to be governed from another country?

Manchester, a region, has policing devolved, how little self respect must you have to say that Wales, our nation, should not. Personally, I think it redefines the word 'pathetic'. I've noticed the word 'cuck' is popular online amongst right wingers, voting to abolish the Assembly would make you a cuck to London

Re: Would you vote to scrap the Welsh Assembly?

Sat Jan 28, 2017 1:09 pm

tcblue wrote:Just another point, how weak and spineless do you have to be to vote to be governed from another country?

Manchester, a region, has policing devolved, how little self respect must you have to say that Wales, our nation, should not. Personally, I think it redefines the word 'pathetic'. I've noticed the word 'cuck' is popular online amongst right wingers, voting to abolish the Assembly would make you a cuck to London

I suppose a lot of people in Wales also class themselves as British.

Re: Would you vote to scrap the Welsh Assembly

Sat Jan 28, 2017 1:35 pm

Steve Zodiak wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Cwmann_Bluebird wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Magners wrote:Sprinkler systems must be installed in every, New Build House. No such rule in England.

All Landlords in Wales to do a course, get a License and register their properties. No such rule in England.

Lowest exam results in the U.K.

Longest waiting lists in the NHS.

In my opinion the Welsh Assembly have not improved anything for the people of Wales and is just a waste of money.

If there was a vote on it, I would vote to scrap it.

I would scrap it ,Jones are wood are useless

Leanne Wood is not part of the Welsh Government.

So here and her partys vote isn5 deciding now labour don't have a majority?



Keep up with things man, Labour do have a majority at the assembly! :sleepy2:

I thought Labour had 29 of the 60 AM's. I may be wrong as I have little interest in the Welsh Government, but I was under the impression that they did not have a majority following the last election.

You are right and they need woods vote to pass anything

Re: Would you vote to scrap the Welsh Assembly?

Sat Jan 28, 2017 5:58 pm

Magners wrote:
Cwmann_Bluebird wrote:
Steve Zodiak wrote:They come across as a bunch of idiots playing politics while wasting our money on ridiculous projects. I'd scrap it tomorrow.

What are these 'ridiculous projects'?


Carwyn Jones went on a 3 day fact finding mission to Norway.

Why doesn't he Spend 3 days trying to work out why our education system and NHS is the worst in the UK.


Magners - you would be horrified if you looked at what the Tories in Westminster spend unnecessarily.

It's easy for the Tories in Wales to say they'd stop using ministerial cars for example, because (rightly or wrongly) they'll never get voted in.

Re: Would you vote to scrap the Welsh Assembly

Sat Jan 28, 2017 6:00 pm

wez1927 wrote:
Steve Zodiak wrote:I thought Labour had 29 of the 60 AM's. I may be wrong as I have little interest in the Welsh Government, but I was under the impression that they did not have a majority following the last election.

You are right and they need woods vote to pass anything


Haven't they got Kirsty williams on side as education minister, and now Dafydd Elis Thomas has thrown his toys our of the pram and is an independent.

Re: Would you vote to scrap the Welsh Assembly?

Sat Jan 28, 2017 11:39 pm

BlueGog wrote:
Magners wrote:Sprinkler systems must be installed in every, New Build House. No such rule in England.

All Landlords in Wales to do a course, get a License and register their properties. No such rule in England.

Lowest exam results in the U.K.

Longest waiting lists in the NHS.

In my opinion the Welsh Assembly have not improved anything for the people of Wales and is just a waste of money.

If there was a vote on it, I would vote to scrap it.


This is down to the Labour government at the Assembly not the Assembly itself. If you don't like what the assembly is doing vote to change the government.
Can't think of any other country in the world that would discuss getting rid of their parliament and what little power they have and hand power back to their conquerers!!!


Well said, bunch of self hating welsh cunts on here.
Much easier to change and influence the welsh assembly towards the direction we want than westminster, they've never cared at all about wales.

Re: Would you vote to scrap the Welsh Assembly?

Sat Jan 28, 2017 11:46 pm

CF14-SE14 wrote:
Well said, bunch of self hating welsh cunts on here.
Much easier to change and influence the welsh assembly towards the direction we want than westminster, they've never cared at all about wales.


I do find it quite remarkable that the a lot of the outspoken posters on here that are dead set against Wales having any power, are the same people that wanted all power back from the EU.

They want power back from the EU, but only as far as Westminster :lol:

The tories in Westminster see Wales as an inconvenience, and I can't see how we will prosper without autonomy and some self belief.

Re: Would you vote to scrap the Welsh Assembly?

Sat Jan 28, 2017 11:59 pm

Owain wrote:
CF14-SE14 wrote:
Well said, bunch of self hating welsh cunts on here.
Much easier to change and influence the welsh assembly towards the direction we want than westminster, they've never cared at all about wales.


I do find it quite remarkable that the a lot of the outspoken posters on here that are dead set against Wales having any power, are the same people that wanted all power back from the EU.

They want power back from the EU, but only as far as Westminster :lol:

The tories in Westminster see Wales as an inconvenience, and I can't see how we will prosper without autonomy and some self belief.

I want power for Wales but don't trust anyone in the assembly,their approach on brexit proves that they won't listen to the will of the people

Re: Would you vote to scrap the Welsh Assembly?

Sun Jan 29, 2017 12:13 am

You can be British and support devolution. In fact, devolution is the only fecking thing that is holding the U.K. together

Many on here seem to think that 20 years of devolution would have overturned 200 years (I'm being kind) Westminster mismanagement. I'll be positive and assume you have an innate belief in Welsh people :?

May I suggest you listen to the most recent desolation radio podcast on the economy featuring Calvin Jones. The bloke who does the podcast can often be seen at Wales away games. The podcast will go a long way to show just how much Westminster has fucked us down the years economically. Just stick it on the next time you do the dishes or summit:

https://soundcloud.com/desolationradio

Re: Would you vote to scrap the Welsh Assembly?

Sun Jan 29, 2017 12:18 am

wez1927 wrote:
Owain wrote:
CF14-SE14 wrote:
Well said, bunch of self hating welsh cunts on here.
Much easier to change and influence the welsh assembly towards the direction we want than westminster, they've never cared at all about wales.


I do find it quite remarkable that the a lot of the outspoken posters on here that are dead set against Wales having any power, are the same people that wanted all power back from the EU.

They want power back from the EU, but only as far as Westminster :lol:

The tories in Westminster see Wales as an inconvenience, and I can't see how we will prosper without autonomy and some self belief.

I want power for Wales but don't trust anyone in the assembly,their approach on brexit proves that they won't listen to the will of the people


Because they are campaigning to retain access to the single market I presume?

What is your vision for the Welsh economy without tariff free access to this valuable market, given that Wales is a net exporter to the EU, who happens to be its biggest trading partner.

The second issue is obviously the loss of EU funding (which has created thousands of jobs in Wales over recent years), but I'm sure Theresa is already working on something :lol:

Re: Would you vote to scrap the Welsh Assembly?

Sun Jan 29, 2017 12:41 am

Owain wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Owain wrote:
CF14-SE14 wrote:
Well said, bunch of self hating welsh cunts on here.
Much easier to change and influence the welsh assembly towards the direction we want than westminster, they've never cared at all about wales.


I do find it quite remarkable that the a lot of the outspoken posters on here that are dead set against Wales having any power, are the same people that wanted all power back from the EU.

They want power back from the EU, but only as far as Westminster :lol:

The tories in Westminster see Wales as an inconvenience, and I can't see how we will prosper without autonomy and some self belief.

I want power for Wales but don't trust anyone in the assembly,their approach on brexit proves that they won't listen to the will of the people


Because they are campaigning to retain access to the single market I presume?

What is your vision for the Welsh economy without tariff free access to this valuable market, given that Wales is a net exporter to the EU, who happens to be its biggest trading partner.

The second issue is obviously the loss of EU funding (which has created thousands of jobs in Wales over recent years), but I'm sure Theresa is already working on something :lol:

Eu create with one hand take away with the other ,jobs have been lost to new member states and that's a fact where has ,LG Sony grundig,Panasonic,Philips,bosch,hoover/hotpot where have these companies gone to eastern Europe ,Eu new member states with nice fat grants ?? The money we get from the Eu is our own money but the difference is they are telling us how to spend it ,why if the Eu is so great why are we one one the poorest regions don't you think things need to change ?

Re: Would you vote to scrap the Welsh Assembly?

Sun Jan 29, 2017 12:50 am

wez1927 wrote:
Owain wrote:Because they are campaigning to retain access to the single market I presume?

What is your vision for the Welsh economy without tariff free access to this valuable market, given that Wales is a net exporter to the EU, who happens to be its biggest trading partner.

The second issue is obviously the loss of EU funding (which has created thousands of jobs in Wales over recent years), but I'm sure Theresa is already working on something :lol:

Eu create with one hand take away with the other ,jobs have been lost to new member states and that's a fact where has ,LG Sony grundig,Panasonic,Philips,bosch,hoover/hotpot where have these companies gone to eastern Europe ,Eu new member states with nice fat grants ?? The money we get from the Eu is our own money but the difference is they are telling us how to spend it ,why if the Eu is so great why are we one one the poorest regions don't you think things need to change ?


Unfortunately most of those jobs would have gone elsewhere anyway. Consumers want cheap goods, and manufacturers want to make money. As the cost of wages in the UK increases these businesses move elsewhere. Whether that is Asia, Mexico, Eastern Europe is by the by.

It might be money that the UK contributes to the EU, but Wales benefits greatly. I guess it depends whether you trust the UK Government to compensate Wales in the same way. I certainly don't.

Yes we definitely need change in Wales, but losing tariff free access to our biggest trading partner isn't the way I would go about it.

Re: Would you vote to scrap the Welsh Assembly

Sun Jan 29, 2017 10:27 am

Owain wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Steve Zodiak wrote:I thought Labour had 29 of the 60 AM's. I may be wrong as I have little interest in the Welsh Government, but I was under the impression that they did not have a majority following the last election.

You are right and they need woods vote to pass anything


Haven't they got Kirsty williams on side as education minister, and now Dafydd Elis Thomas has thrown his toys our of the pram and is an independent.


Correct!

Re: Would you vote to scrap the Welsh Assembly

Sun Jan 29, 2017 10:48 am

BlueGog wrote:
Owain wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Steve Zodiak wrote:I thought Labour had 29 of the 60 AM's. I may be wrong as I have little interest in the Welsh Government, but I was under the impression that they did not have a majority following the last election.

You are right and they need woods vote to pass anything


Haven't they got Kirsty williams on side as education minister, and now Dafydd Elis Thomas has thrown his toys our of the pram and is an independent.


Correct!

She may be onside at the minute, but as she is not a member of the labour party I am not sure how this gives them a majority. I thought in order to have a majority one particular party has to have 51% of the AM's sitting at the Welsh Assembly. I know deals are made with other parties in an attempt to have a combined majority, as we have recently witnesses with the Conservative Lib Dem alliance. Surely this does not mean that Labour now have a majority in Cardiff Bay. Is it not the case that Labour still has 29 AM's, and do not have a majority but are reliant on the help of others to get their bills passed. As I say, I have no big interest in the Welsh Assembly, and stand to be corrected.

Re: Would you vote to scrap the Welsh Assembly

Sun Jan 29, 2017 2:10 pm

Steve Zodiak wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
Owain wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Steve Zodiak wrote:I thought Labour had 29 of the 60 AM's. I may be wrong as I have little interest in the Welsh Government, but I was under the impression that they did not have a majority following the last election.

You are right and they need woods vote to pass anything


Haven't they got Kirsty williams on side as education minister, and now Dafydd Elis Thomas has thrown his toys our of the pram and is an independent.


Correct!

She may be onside at the minute, but as she is not a member of the labour party I am not sure how this gives them a majority. I thought in order to have a majority one particular party has to have 51% of the AM's sitting at the Welsh Assembly. I know deals are made with other parties in an attempt to have a combined majority, as we have recently witnesses with the Conservative Lib Dem alliance. Surely this does not mean that Labour now have a majority in Cardiff Bay. Is it not the case that Labour still has 29 AM's, and do not have a majority but are reliant on the help of others to get their bills passed. As I say, I have no big interest in the Welsh Assembly, and stand to be corrected.


My point was they don't need to make a deal with Plaid (or UKIP/Tories), because they've got Kirsty & Dafydd Elis Thomas.

Re: Would you vote to scrap the Welsh Assembly

Sun Jan 29, 2017 2:30 pm

Owain wrote:
Steve Zodiak wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
Owain wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Steve Zodiak wrote:I thought Labour had 29 of the 60 AM's. I may be wrong as I have little interest in the Welsh Government, but I was under the impression that they did not have a majority following the last election.

You are right and they need woods vote to pass anything


Haven't they got Kirsty williams on side as education minister, and now Dafydd Elis Thomas has thrown his toys our of the pram and is an independent.


Correct!

She may be onside at the minute, but as she is not a member of the labour party I am not sure how this gives them a majority. I thought in order to have a majority one particular party has to have 51% of the AM's sitting at the Welsh Assembly. I know deals are made with other parties in an attempt to have a combined majority, as we have recently witnesses with the Conservative Lib Dem alliance. Surely this does not mean that Labour now have a majority in Cardiff Bay. Is it not the case that Labour still has 29 AM's, and do not have a majority but are reliant on the help of others to get their bills passed. As I say, I have no big interest in the Welsh Assembly, and stand to be corrected.


My point was they don't need to make a deal with Plaid (or UKIP/Tories), because they've got Kirsty & Dafydd Elis Thomas.

The point I raised Owain was not aimed at your responses, but Blue Gog who told someone on here to "keep up, Labour do have a majority at the assembly" when this is clearly not the case. They are reliant on non labour party members to support them in order to get their proposals through. I think everyone would agree that having 29 AM's out of 60 does not constitute a majority.

Re: Would you vote to scrap the Welsh Assembly?

Sun Jan 29, 2017 10:51 pm

Steve Zodiak wrote:
tcblue wrote:Just another point, how weak and spineless do you have to be to vote to be governed from another country?

Manchester, a region, has policing devolved, how little self respect must you have to say that Wales, our nation, should not. Personally, I think it redefines the word 'pathetic'. I've noticed the word 'cuck' is popular online amongst right wingers, vot.ng to abolish the Assembly would make you a cuck to London

I suppose a lot of people in Wales also class themselves as British.
Gareth Bale is wasted on Wales he could be Captain Team GB they could win the World Cup. The British Lions could win against Ireland, France, Italy & Roumania in the new 5 Nations and beat southern hemisphere nations in important "Test Matches". That makes me feel ill as a Welsh Man. Losing the Senedd or the WPL would affect our National Teams status, so why risk that? Manchester = Infrastructure, Overground, Trams Motorways, multiple A Roads.

Re: Would you vote to scrap the Welsh Assembly?

Sun Jan 29, 2017 11:20 pm

Bushy Eyebrows wrote:
Steve Zodiak wrote:
tcblue wrote:Just another point, how weak and spineless do you have to be to vote to be governed from another country?

Manchester, a region, has policing devolved, how little self respect must you have to say that Wales, our nation, should not. Personally, I think it redefines the word 'pathetic'. I've noticed the word 'cuck' is popular online amongst right wingers, vot.ng to abolish the Assembly would make you a cuck to London

I suppose a lot of people in Wales also class themselves as British.
Gareth Bale is wasted on Wales he could be Captain Team GB they could win the World Cup. The British Lions could win against Ireland, France, Italy & Roumania in the new 5 Nations and beat southern hemisphere nations in important "Test Matches". That makes me feel ill as a Welsh Man. Losing the Senedd or the WPL would affect our National Teams status, so why risk that? Manchester = Infrastructure, Overground, Trams Motorways, multiple A Roads.

Why should losing the Senedd affect our teams. We were playing the home nations in rugby and the football home internationals at the end of every season long before the Welsh assembly was ever thought of. The idea of a GB team has been brought up loads of times, before and since the Welsh Assembly. As has been the case in the past, none of the home nations are interested in giving up their individual sporting status.

Re: Would you vote to scrap the Welsh Assembly?

Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:36 am

Steve Zodiak wrote:
Bushy Eyebrows wrote:
Steve Zodiak wrote:
tcblue wrote:Just another point, how weak and spineless do you have to be to vote to be governed from another country?

Manchester, a region, has policing devolved, how little self respect must you have to say that Wales, our nation, should not. Personally, I think it redefines the word 'pathetic'. I've noticed the word 'cuck' is popular online amongst right wingers, vot.ng to abolish the Assembly would make you a cuck to London

I suppose a lot of people in Wales also class themselves as British.
Gareth Bale is wasted on Wales he could be Captain Team GB they could win the World Cup. The British Lions could win against Ireland, France, Italy & Roumania in the new 5 Nations and beat southern hemisphere nations in important "Test Matches". That makes me feel ill as a Welsh Man. Losing the Senedd or the WPL would affect our National Teams status, so why risk that? Manchester = Infrastructure, Overground, Trams Motorways, multiple A Roads.

Why should losing the Senedd affect our teams. We were playing the home nations in rugby and the football home internationals at the end of every season long before the Welsh assembly was ever thought of. The idea of a GB team has been brought up loads of times, before and since the Welsh Assembly. As has been the case in the past, none of the home nations are interested in giving up their individual sporting status.
Ok we have established we are patriotic on a sporting level but would prefer Westminster to do everything else for us because the Senedd has achieved nothing going into its third decade of existence. I did make a spelling error with would instead of could . I was just thinking towards how Welshman are representing England in Cricket, Greenland are not recognised with FIFA but Faroe Islands are, both sovereign states of Denmark. Losing the Assembly would see the erosion of the Wales we grew up in put on a par with Basques, Catalonians in Spain. The Welsh FA the third oldest in the world has to much clout to ever get abolished I know we`re are not like Greenland. Lets just go back to a non elected Welsh Sectary to pack our lunch for us again and do our laundry while he/she`s at it. We could become West England having own regions in a Generation if we take our eye of the ball post Brexit. The Senned needs fixing from the bottom to the top. I believe there are better posters on here than almost every AM that we elected in to them seats. I believe the numbers of actual AM s should come down to nice round number 40 say. The Senedd needs powers of its own Import/Export tax with the EU to help us remain competitive in a market place we currently do not have a trade deficit in. Or lets just let Westminster do it, we won`t be able to cope with these added responsibilities can we. Whitehall has always seen Wales as a place to squeeze tax from with no AM bureaucrats chomping down their neck they will take us out to dry. With the Jacks recent Entry into the Europa Cup as FA representatives after previously entering The Cup Winners Cup via winning the Welsh Cup it`s safe to say both our Club and Country are safe on a sporting level (if the WPL remains) and that`s good to know. At least the Catalans are being offered a referendum, perhaps now Wales needs a new multiple question A- Scrap, B- Keep , C- give real legislation power, about the Senedd because we can do sports but not politics by the sound of things .

Re: Would you vote to scrap the Welsh Assembly?

Mon Jan 30, 2017 3:15 pm

rumpo kid wrote:Bushy, dear Bushy....forgiven, for you know not what you say..

Stopping English funding, Wales would be crippled within a month. No schools, hospitals, police - nothing, because no-one would be paid. The Senedd is a disaster for Wales, supported by a gog minority that no-one else in Wales has any time for, they slag off the English all year, then put out the begging bowl.

Clwb Ifor Bach is like being in an episode of Ivor the Engine - but without the laughs.
Bow to the Crown and watch a yank explain things https://youtu.be/rNu8XDBSn10

Re: Would you vote to scrap the Welsh Assembly?

Mon Jan 30, 2017 4:01 pm

Bushy Eyebrows wrote:
rumpo kid wrote:Bushy, dear Bushy....forgiven, for you know not what you say..

Stopping English funding, Wales would be crippled within a month. No schools, hospitals, police - nothing, because no-one would be paid. The Senedd is a disaster for Wales, supported by a gog minority that no-one else in Wales has any time for, they slag off the English all year, then put out the begging bowl.

Clwb Ifor Bach is like being in an episode of Ivor the Engine - but without the laughs.
Bow to the Crown and watch a yank explain things https://youtu.be/rNu8XDBSn10

Anyone know how much tax revenue is currently generated in Wales in comparison to how much Wales receives from Westminster each year. I don't know the present figure, but the last figures I saw was around 9 billion pounds more received from the government than was raised in taxes here. We don't appear to have much to export now the service sector has replaced all our heavy industry (apart from call centres and charity shops). ;)

Re: Would you vote to scrap the Welsh Assembly?

Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:05 pm

Just a few figures for you to ponder with regard trade/Welsh Arsembly/Brexit lads...

At the moment, 41% of exports from Wales go to the European Union.

That has risen from £4.7 billion worth of goods and services in 1999 to £5 billion in 2015.

Those who support leaving the EU claim it would allow exporters to focus more on growing markets further afield.

Exports from Wales to countries outside the EU have risen from £1.7 billion in 1999 to £7.2 billion in 2015.

So 59% of Welsh exports are OUTSIDE the EU and are worth £2.2 BILLION MORE than EU Trade. The most damning though in my view is the increase in trade over 15 years - EU = £300million increase, ROW = £5.5 BILLION increase.

The rest of World increase in 15 years is MORE than the total EU trade!! - I'm afraid with those figures its game over for the EU!!

The nonsense about Wales getting EU money is a misnomer as well - its pissed away on bollocks vanity projects and factories in the arse end of nowhere that cease to be viable once the funding dries up - other than that its all road infrastructure that needed doing anyway - and has anyone else noticed the EU requirement for posh notices heralding the spending of our own bloody money!!

Re: Would you vote to scrap the Welsh Assembly?

Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:10 pm

Mulberry wrote:Just a few figures for you to ponder with regard trade/Welsh Arsembly/Brexit lads...

At the moment, 41% of exports from Wales go to the European Union.

That has risen from £4.7 billion worth of goods and services in 1999 to £5 billion in 2015.

Those who support leaving the EU claim it would allow exporters to focus more on growing markets further afield.

Exports from Wales to countries outside the EU have risen from £1.7 billion in 1999 to £7.2 billion in 2015.

So 59% of Welsh exports are OUTSIDE the EU and are worth £2.2 BILLION MORE than EU Trade. The most damning though in my view is the increase in trade over 15 years - EU = £300million increase, ROW = £5.5 BILLION increase.

The rest of World increase in 15 years is MORE than the total EU trade!! - I'm afraid with those figures its game over for the EU!!

The nonsense about Wales getting EU money is a misnomer as well - its pissed away on bollocks vanity projects and factories in the arse end of nowhere that cease to be viable once the funding dries up - other than that its all road infrastructure that needed doing anyway - and has anyone else noticed the EU requirement for posh notices heralding the spending of our own bloody money!!

Great post

Re: Would you vote to scrap the Welsh Assembly?

Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:47 pm

Bushy Eyebrows wrote:
Steve Zodiak wrote:
Bushy Eyebrows wrote:
Steve Zodiak wrote:
tcblue wrote:Just another point, how weak and spineless do you have to be to vote to be governed from another country?

Manchester, a region, has policing devolved, how little self respect must you have to say that Wales, our nation, should not. Personally, I think it redefines the word 'pathetic'. I've noticed the word 'cuck' is popular online amongst right wingers, vot.ng to abolish the Assembly would make you a cuck to London

I suppose a lot of people in Wales also class themselves as British.
Gareth Bale is wasted on Wales he could be Captain Team GB they could win the World Cup. The British Lions could win against Ireland, France, Italy & Roumania in the new 5 Nations and beat southern hemisphere nations in important "Test Matches". That makes me feel ill as a Welsh Man. Losing the Senedd or the WPL would affect our National Teams status, so why risk that? Manchester = Infrastructure, Overground, Trams Motorways, multiple A Roads.

Why should losing the Senedd affect our teams. We were playing the home nations in rugby and the football home internationals at the end of every season long before the Welsh assembly was ever thought of. The idea of a GB team has been brought up loads of times, before and since the Welsh Assembly. As has been the case in the past, none of the home nations are interested in giving up their individual sporting status.
Ok we have established we are patriotic on a sporting level but would prefer Westminster to do everything else for us because the Senedd has achieved nothing going into its third decade of existence. I did make a spelling error with would instead of could . I was just thinking towards how Welshman are representing England in Cricket, Greenland are not recognised with FIFA but Faroe Islands are, both sovereign states of Denmark. Losing the Assembly would see the erosion of the Wales we grew up in put on a par with Basques, Catalonians in Spain. The Welsh FA the third oldest in the world has to much clout to ever get abolished I know we`re are not like Greenland. Lets just go back to a non elected Welsh Sectary to pack our lunch for us again and do our laundry while he/she`s at it. We could become West England having own regions in a Generation if we take our eye of the ball post Brexit. The Senned needs fixing from the bottom to the top. I believe there are better posters on here than almost every AM that we elected in to them seats. I believe the numbers of actual AM s should come down to nice round number 40 say. The Senedd needs powers of its own Import/Export tax with the EU to help us remain competitive in a market place we currently do not have a trade deficit in. Or lets just let Westminster do it, we won`t be able to cope with these added responsibilities can we. Whitehall has always seen Wales as a place to squeeze tax from with no AM bureaucrats chomping down their neck they will take us out to dry. With the Jacks recent Entry into the Europa Cup as FA representatives after previously entering The Cup Winners Cup via winning the Welsh Cup it`s safe to say both our Club and Country are safe on a sporting level (if the WPL remains) and that`s good to know. At least the Catalans are being offered a referendum, perhaps now Wales needs a new multiple question A- Scrap, B- Keep , C- give real legislation power, about the Senedd because we can do sports but not politics by the sound of things .

By the look of things, most of the posters on this thread are bloody lunatics and self-hating 'Welshmen'. The AMs are nowhere near as bad as people think. Indeed, some are now turning their backs on Westminster to be an AM instead (Huw Irranca-Davies for one). New AMs elected last year include Adam Price, Lee Waters (former Director of the IWA) and Eluned Morgan.

What the Assembly needs is more AMs, not less. As things stand, 60 isn't enough. 80 are needed, at least. If we don’t have enough people who can scrutinise legislation properly we’re likely to have legislation that is badly drafted or badly conceived and therefore, for the good government of Wales, I think that an increase in members is necessary.

Re: Would you vote to scrap the Welsh Assembly?

Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:48 pm

wez1927 wrote:
rumpo kid wrote:Bushy, dear Bushy....forgiven, for you know not what you say..

Stopping English funding, Wales would be crippled within a month. No schools, hospitals, police - nothing, because no-one would be paid. The Senedd is a disaster for Wales, supported by a gog minority that no-one else in Wales has any time for, they slag off the English all year, then put out the begging bowl.

Clwb Ifor Bach is like being in an episode of Ivor the Engine - but without the laughs.

:lol:

Yeah, f*cking funny, wasn't it 'wez'? Absolutely split my sides, fair play :roll:

Re: Would you vote to scrap the Welsh Assembly?

Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:50 pm

Magners wrote:
Cwmann_Bluebird wrote:
Steve Zodiak wrote:They come across as a bunch of idiots playing politics while wasting our money on ridiculous projects. I'd scrap it tomorrow.

What are these 'ridiculous projects'?


The Welsh Assembly have 5 Chauffeur driven cars which have cost £1,800,000 over the last 5 years.

And Westminster don't do the same? Or the Scottish Parliament? Or the Northern Irish Assembly? The Welsh Assembly isn't alone in that respect.

So, will you criticise the other legislatures in the UK? Or just the Welsh Assembly? Come on, hypocrisy is not a virtue.

Re: Would you vote to scrap the Welsh Assembly?

Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:59 pm

Magners wrote:
Cwmann_Bluebird wrote:
Steve Zodiak wrote:They come across as a bunch of idiots playing politics while wasting our money on ridiculous projects. I'd scrap it tomorrow.

What are these 'ridiculous projects'?


The Welsh government wasted tens of thousands of pounds on a Brexit legal challenge through the courts.

In my opinion this was wasted money especially as the people of Wales voted for Brexit.

The Welsh Government was not challenging the referendum result, they were arguing that the Assembly should be consulted on starting Brexit.

Re: Would you vote to scrap the Welsh Assembly?

Mon Jan 30, 2017 6:09 pm

Magners wrote:
Cwmann_Bluebird wrote:
Steve Zodiak wrote:They come across as a bunch of idiots playing politics while wasting our money on ridiculous projects. I'd scrap it tomorrow.

What are these 'ridiculous projects'?


Subsidising an air service from Cardiff to North Wales twice a day, Monday to Friday.

Well, considering the time it usually takes to get from the south to the north by car/train, an air service is a good thing.