' Who wants in? and who wants out? '

Someone help Stephen out please, he's the one with big dunce hat on.

Bluegog says Annis may not be allowed to stay in Spain if we leave the EU. I then say by HIS logic (not mine) we may have to send back people from countries not in the EU I then listed Somalia, Nigeria and Pakistan (They aren't in the EU). I was not advocating that we do that.

Is that clear enough for you?

Stephen, there's no need to resort to the above when you can't argue properly!

Bluebird since 1948 is correct in what he says but you obviously can't grasp the context of it, which is worrying when you have such a vocal view on where the UK should go next!

Fella my point was nothing about on what the uk should do next it was of the SINGLING out of certain races in 1948s comment can you grasp that??that was my ONLY point that he shouldn't single out certain races

What do you want me to do? Name every single nationality/Race/Ethnic group in the world?

The people saying in and spouting that Wales wouldn't survive and we need eu cash , need to wake up, Wales wouldnt need hand outs if we could trade freely with the rest of the world ,eu have destroyed our farming fishing ,manufacturing and steel industry

Some idiots seen to think Wales is one of Europe's poorest countries yet we have 10's of 1000's of eastern european's living here for a better life.

Facts speak for themselves! Do you think Europe would give us Objective 1 money if we didn't qualify for it because regions of Wales NOT England are the poorest in Europe.

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Someone help Stephen out please, he's the one with big dunce hat on.

Bluegog says Annis may not be allowed to stay in Spain if we leave the EU. I then say by HIS logic (not mine) we may have to send back people from countries not in the EU I then listed Somalia, Nigeria and Pakistan (They aren't in the EU). I was not advocating that we do that.

Is that clear enough for you?

Stephen, there's no need to resort to the above when you can't argue properly!

Bluebird since 1948 is correct in what he says but you obviously can't grasp the context of it, which is worrying when you have such a vocal view on where the UK should go next!

Fella my point was nothing about on what the uk should do next it was of the SINGLING out of certain races in 1948s comment can you grasp that??that was my ONLY point that he shouldn't single out certain races

What do you want me to do? Name every single nationality/Race/Ethnic group in the world?

You didn't say it though did you....... so it doesn't matter,I was just stating a fact that with the way of the world today you singling out certain races they may be taken out of context,that was all I said on the matter

Taken out of context by thickos like you who can't read. What I said was anti racism and somehow you have decided I am a racist for saying it would be wrong to send back people to the countries they come from.

You said in another thread you were old school, I think you meant to say you need to go back to school.

The truth is that for every £1 Wales gives Europe we get £10 back.

Not true.

No official figure exists for the overall investment that Wales receives from the EU, since funding is calculated on a UK-basis and Wales benefits from a number of multinational programmes which are difficult to quantify by country. Wales also doesn't give money to the EU itself - the UK government makes the contribution.

Wales isn't a country and doesn't set its own Tax Laws , the HMRC does.

The truth is that for every £1 Wales gives Europe we get £10 back.

Mason, no official figure exists for the overall investment that Wales receives from the EU, since funding is calculated on a UK-basis and Wales benefits from a number of multinational programmes which are difficult to quantify by country

Wales also doesn't give money to the EU itself - the UK government makes the contribution

However, accounting for the variety of estimates that we do have available, the annual investment received by Wales could be an estimated €653-747 million per year, compared to an estimated annual contribution of €630 million

Note: UK figures claim €653, whilst Plaid Cymru figures claim it is actually c.£747m

Comparing Wales' estimated receipts from the EU to its contributions is awkward given the investment happens over a seven year period, whereas contributions happen each year. What's more, contributions happen at the UK level rather than regionally

Taking figures from Eurostat, the UK as a whole has contributed on average around €13 billion to the EU per year since 2007. The population of Wales accounts for around 4.8% of the UKs, so on this basis Wales has contributed the equivalent of €630 million, or around €200 per head (Plaid Cymru's figure is slightly lower at €196)

So, based on this method, Wales does seem to receive more financially than it contributes...but not by much and certainly by an amount that could not easily be 'bridged' by the UK Government

Coupled with the FACT that the UK is a net contributor to the EU, then it is reasonable to state that the reality is that the UK can indeed cope on its own but that Wales itself could not cope on its own, i.e. without the security of either one of the UK or EU partnerships to prop it up

Taken out of context by thickos like you who can't read. What I said was anti racism and somehow you have decided I am a racist for saying it would be wrong to send back people to the countries they come from.

You said in another thread you were old school, I think you meant to say you need to go back to school.

Thinks you knows the lot you do fella,that pm I just had tells me everything I need to know about you

Taken out of context by thickos like you who can't read. What I said was anti racism and somehow you have decided I am a racist for saying it would be wrong to send back people to the countries they come from.

You said in another thread you were old school, I think you meant to say you need to go back to school.

Thinks you knows the lot you do fella,that pm I just had tells me everything I need to know about you

With your low literacy levels you probably got the complete wrong end of the stick

Taken out of context by thickos like you who can't read. What I said was anti racism and somehow you have decided I am a racist for saying it would be wrong to send back people to the countries they come from.

You said in another thread you were old school, I think you meant to say you need to go back to school.

Thinks you knows the lot you do fella,that pm I just had tells me everything I need to know about you

With your low literacy levels you probably got the complete wrong end of the stick

Basically said your a mug that's all mouth fella...........

Taken out of context by thickos like you who can't read. What I said was anti racism and somehow you have decided I am a racist for saying it would be wrong to send back people to the countries they come from.

You said in another thread you were old school, I think you meant to say you need to go back to school.

Thinks you knows the lot you do fella,that pm I just had tells me everything I need to know about you

With your low literacy levels you probably got the complete wrong end of the stick

Basically said your a mug that's all mouth fella...........

I am all mouth, it's the internet I don't take it seriously. Unlike you who was offering people on down sloper road because they said nasty things to you on an internet forum then cried about it the next day apologising , "i'm old school me". Old school I know wouldn't be acting like a little girl crying over spilt milk

Taken out of context by thickos like you who can't read. What I said was anti racism and somehow you have decided I am a racist for saying it would be wrong to send back people to the countries they come from.

You said in another thread you were old school, I think you meant to say you need to go back to school.

Thinks you knows the lot you do fella,that pm I just had tells me everything I need to know about you

With your low literacy levels you probably got the complete wrong end of the stick

Basically said your a mug that's all mouth fella...........

I am all mouth, it's the internet I don't take it seriously. Unlike you who was offering people on down sloper road because they said nasty things to you on an internet forum then cried about it the next day apologising , "i'm old school me". Old school I know wouldn't be acting like a little girl crying over spilt milk

Took the racism thing a bit serious didn't you the mug & all mouth part was bang on then

Got to go now sorry fella & get myself sorted to follow my team to Ashton gate tomorrow leaving on the 7.55 from Cardiff Central hopefully catch up & have a jar if your going lad

The truth is that for every £1 Wales gives Europe we get £10 back.

Mason, no official figure exists for the overall investment that Wales receives from the EU, since funding is calculated on a UK-basis and Wales benefits from a number of multinational programmes which are difficult to quantify by country

Wales also doesn't give money to the EU itself - the UK government makes the contribution

However, accounting for the variety of estimates that we do have available, the annual investment received by Wales could be an estimated €653-747 million per year, compared to an estimated annual contribution of €630 million

Note: UK figures claim €653, whilst Plaid Cymru figures claim it is actually c.£747m

Comparing Wales' estimated receipts from the EU to its contributions is awkward given the investment happens over a seven year period, whereas contributions happen each year. What's more, contributions happen at the UK level rather than regionally

Taking figures from Eurostat, the UK as a whole has contributed on average around €13 billion to the EU per year since 2007. The population of Wales accounts for around 4.8% of the UKs, so on this basis Wales has contributed the equivalent of €630 million, or around €200 per head (Plaid Cymru's figure is slightly lower at €196)

So, based on this method, Wales does seem to receive more financially than it contributes...but not by much and certainly by an amount that could not easily be 'bridged' by the UK Government

Coupled with the FACT that the UK is a net contributor to the EU, then it is reasonable to state that the reality is that the UK can indeed cope on its own but that Wales itself could not cope on its own, i.e. without the security of either one of the UK or EU partnerships to prop it up

that blows the plaids argument out of the water ,think how much we could earn through export lamb and beef to the rest of the world and not through the eu

The truth is that for every £1 Wales gives Europe we get £10 back.

Mason, no official figure exists for the overall investment that Wales receives from the EU, since funding is calculated on a UK-basis and Wales benefits from a number of multinational programmes which are difficult to quantify by country

Wales also doesn't give money to the EU itself - the UK government makes the contribution

However, accounting for the variety of estimates that we do have available, the annual investment received by Wales could be an estimated €653-747 million per year, compared to an estimated annual contribution of €630 million

Note: UK figures claim €653, whilst Plaid Cymru figures claim it is actually c.£747m

Comparing Wales' estimated receipts from the EU to its contributions is awkward given the investment happens over a seven year period, whereas contributions happen each year. What's more, contributions happen at the UK level rather than regionally

Taking figures from Eurostat, the UK as a whole has contributed on average around €13 billion to the EU per year since 2007. The population of Wales accounts for around 4.8% of the UKs, so on this basis Wales has contributed the equivalent of €630 million, or around €200 per head (Plaid Cymru's figure is slightly lower at €196)

So, based on this method, Wales does seem to receive more financially than it contributes...but not by much and certainly by an amount that could not easily be 'bridged' by the UK Government

Coupled with the FACT that the UK is a net contributor to the EU, then it is reasonable to state that the reality is that the UK can indeed cope on its own but that Wales itself could not cope on its own, i.e. without the security of either one of the UK or EU partnerships to prop it up

that blows the plaids argument out of the water ,think how much we could earn through export lamb and beef to the rest of the world and not through the eu

Wez, there's a lot of 'spin' and ignorance on the subject and many people will simply believe what suits their own needs and wants rather than 'what is best' for us as a sovereign country!

As an aside, the Welsh Assembly as a whole are not doing as well as some people think and (it chokes me to say) even the recent Aston Martin announcement needed Cameron's input!

The truth is that for every £1 Wales gives Europe we get £10 back.

Mason, no official figure exists for the overall investment that Wales receives from the EU, since funding is calculated on a UK-basis and Wales benefits from a number of multinational programmes which are difficult to quantify by country

Wales also doesn't give money to the EU itself - the UK government makes the contribution

However, accounting for the variety of estimates that we do have available, the annual investment received by Wales could be an estimated €653-747 million per year, compared to an estimated annual contribution of €630 million

Note: UK figures claim €653, whilst Plaid Cymru figures claim it is actually c.£747m

Comparing Wales' estimated receipts from the EU to its contributions is awkward given the investment happens over a seven year period, whereas contributions happen each year. What's more, contributions happen at the UK level rather than regionally

Taking figures from Eurostat, the UK as a whole has contributed on average around €13 billion to the EU per year since 2007. The population of Wales accounts for around 4.8% of the UKs, so on this basis Wales has contributed the equivalent of €630 million, or around €200 per head (Plaid Cymru's figure is slightly lower at €196)

So, based on this method, Wales does seem to receive more financially than it contributes...but not by much and certainly by an amount that could not easily be 'bridged' by the UK Government

Coupled with the FACT that the UK is a net contributor to the EU, then it is reasonable to state that the reality is that the UK can indeed cope on its own but that Wales itself could not cope on its own, i.e. without the security of either one of the UK or EU partnerships to prop it up

that blows the plaids argument out of the water ,think how much we could earn through export lamb and beef to the rest of the world and not through the eu

Wez, there's a lot of 'spin' and ignorance on the subject and many people will simply believe what suits their own needs and wants rather than 'what is best' for us as a sovereign country!

As an aside, the Welsh Assembly as a whole are not doing as well as some people think and (it chokes me to say) even the recent Aston Martin announcement needed Cameron's input!

I think leaving the eu will help our farming ,fishing and manufacturing industry the last 30 years of closer eu rule have destroyed it

Makes you think

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Wales out of UK. English royals out of UK, make the kents work

I'm in. I think there is far too much focus on the negatives of the EU and not enough concentration on the positives. We should learn from the mistakes of the US when it tried to go it alone after World War I. It did not work. We are not a self-sufficient country any more so we will need a lot more countries more than they need us. It's better to remain a part of the EU and play a part in its positive evolution than just break away and go it alone. Isolation never ends well for the country that makes the parting decision.

I agree, we are better off & safer staying

You should be more concerned about Spain staying in it shouldn't you?

Spain are staying in the EU don't you worry

Count yourself lucky that Spain are not taking in any savage from the backward hellholes.

Out. Like Europe, hate the EU.

Never voted for mass immigration, to subsisdise French Farmers, to kill our fisheries, or champagne socialist Neil Kinnock's fat pension fund.

Kinnock is a classic example of how a parasitic splodge of protein can make a million within the EU.

Undecided as there's pro's and con's to both. Here are my views for both they aren't based on fact

Poorer communities benefit from EU funding to improve the skills of job seekers. Cameron has said he cannot guarantee the same level of funding if we leave.

Many changes introduced by the Tories over the last few year hit the poorer element of society and benefit their toff friends. I think leaving the EU plus the attempts to weaken the House of Lords by the Tories will make this worse for the less well off. Having to abide by some EU laws has been a benefit plus we have an opt out of some measures (E.g. the working week directive which allows the government/nhs to make doctors and nurses work more than 48 hours per week).

The Government would be spying on us even more than they currently do without the EU.

Many businesses would move their business (and therefore jobs) abroad. Manufacturing(what's left of it) would be affected which would be a problem but I don't think anyone apart from Cameron and his cronies would miss the bankers.

Our inability to properly control our borders and limit migrants is a major downside to remaining in. Having people move to our country just because we have a better welfare state is just wrong. We could introduce a green card system to ensure skills (and worker) shortages are minimised. It may also free up jobs for the bone idle and they may be faced to work in low paid jobs rather than claim benefits.

The unchecked flow of migrants into our country must also undermine our safety and security. From the relatively minor gangs of foreign pickpockets to potential suicide bombers. However, we would still have to do our bit in the world to help Syrian's and others affected by war.

Leaving will affect our economy in the short term at least. Uncertainty will do that.

Negotiating trade deals could be a lengthy and costly process. You only have to look at some of the flaws of the Norwegian, Danish and Swiss EU agreements to see they are one sided.

There is a small possibility that Ex-Pats could well be required to leave their EU country of residence if they aren't contributing either via skills or significant finance. It's more likely that this will only affect new ex-Pats but if one Country decides to kick out ex-pats the other side would undoubtedly do the same.

Deciding to leave sees you side with Farage and Gove. Deciding to stay sees you siding with Cameron and Osbourne!!!!

I don't think we'll ever know the true benefits or risks to leaving until it happens. This referendum is based purely on scaremongering by both sides as no one truly knows what would happen if we leave. However I think the country will vote to leave.