' Consortium possibility to take over Cardiff City '

Annis...are they mega rich?

Not the one putting them together,but the ones he is asking are

Annis...are they mega rich?

Not the one putting them together,but the ones he is asking are

Annis what is your confidence level and timescales on this. Do you think I need to keep hitting refresh on the forum tonight?

Annis...are they mega rich?

Not the one putting them together,but the ones he is asking are

Annis what is your confidence level and timescales on this. Do you think I need to keep hitting refresh on the forum tonight?

Long way to go yet.

7/10 Chance of this Succeeding and if its going to happen? ? ? before June 2015

Annis...are they mega rich?

Not the one putting them together,but the ones he is asking are

Annis what is your confidence level and timescales on this. Do you think I need to keep hitting refresh on the forum tonight?

Long way to go yet.

7/10 Chance of this Succeeding and if its going to happen? ? ? before June 2015

Excellent.

Unreal criticism of Borley on here. A man who is more Cardiff City than many of you appreciate. If it were not for Borley we would arguable not have a club today.

SB did loads of great work for the club over the years. To many of us he was a true local hero - Mr Cardiff City. To say he blotted his copy book over the rebrand saga is an understatement. His behaviour on social networking forums and his shameless scaremongering was a disgrace. When we needed a voice of calm in the early days of the saga he spent his time belittling people and spreading the 'red or dead' lie. Images of Borley dancing around in his red wig on the day of the open top bus tour are an insult to those of us who watched the club home and away for many years but felt compelled to boycott when we felt that the club's identity was being wrecked.

So no, I'm afraid Borley was a hero, but in the eyes of many of us he isn't anymore. His behaviour when the rebrand first came to light is one of the major reasons why the club is a soulless shadow of its former self. If there is any truth in the takeover rumours I hope he is not involved in any capacity.

How do you know it was a lie ?

The chief executive Alan Whiteley (at the refunders meeting) said it wasn't 'red or dead' and believe me he was pressed on it, particularly by Dave Sugarman. Likewise, unless I've missed it, at no time did the Malaysians say it was red or dead. Aside from a few high profile and very influential fans and of course, the 'people's director' screaming from the roof tops that it was rebrand or die, there is no evidence to suggest it was accept the rebrand or fold. If you have evidence to the contrary I'd like to hear it.

As things stand it could be red and dead at some point.

Correct Phil, I was there and I also asked Alan Whitley myself and he said it was not Red or Dead, that saying and lies was put out by the Red Brigade

The Club was on its arse and without Tan was going bust. there might be plenty of gullible people out there who believe otherwise, but I've seen the figures and we had run out of lives. No doubt in my mind, if Tan had walked we would have gone through. Ive watched the clubs financial position for years and it's a miracle we hadn't gone through before then. We were fucked , along with all the people owed money from the stadium build, anyone who thinks otherwise is in dreamland.

Unreal criticism of Borley on here. A man who is more Cardiff City than many of you appreciate. If it were not for Borley we would arguable not have a club today.

SB did loads of great work for the club over the years. To many of us he was a true local hero - Mr Cardiff City. To say he blotted his copy book over the rebrand saga is an understatement. His behaviour on social networking forums and his shameless scaremongering was a disgrace. When we needed a voice of calm in the early days of the saga he spent his time belittling people and spreading the 'red or dead' lie. Images of Borley dancing around in his red wig on the day of the open top bus tour are an insult to those of us who watched the club home and away for many years but felt compelled to boycott when we felt that the club's identity was being wrecked.

So no, I'm afraid Borley was a hero, but in the eyes of many of us he isn't anymore. His behaviour when the rebrand first came to light is one of the major reasons why the club is a soulless shadow of its former self. If there is any truth in the takeover rumours I hope he is not involved in any capacity.

Problem is admin wasn't an easy option out. I don't think many like Phil or Dave Sugerman really understand what the consequences would have been for the club or all the businesses owed money by the club. These are real people's lifetimes of risk and work and jobs. The Effects would be felt in the real world, not in images or messagebiards or identities but real life issues like livelihoods.

And what chance the club would bounce back- not much. Who would have stepped in ? Not many volunteers before Sam when Borley was left on his own.

How do you know it was a lie ?

The chief executive Alan Whiteley (at the refunders meeting) said it wasn't 'red or dead' and believe me he was pressed on it, particularly by Dave Sugarman. Likewise, unless I've missed it, at no time did the Malaysians say it was red or dead. Aside from a few high profile and very influential fans and of course, the 'people's director' screaming from the roof tops that it was rebrand or die, there is no evidence to suggest it was accept the rebrand or fold. If you have evidence to the contrary I'd like to hear it.

As things stand it could be red and dead at some point.

Correct Phil, I was there and I also asked Alan Whitley myself and he said it was not Red or Dead, that saying and lies was put out by the Red Brigade

Tbh Annis no one knows what our fate would have been before tan? But as you say high profile people were not honest with what they said at time! I believe it was admin at best for us then, new consortium I'm bit sceptical as no outside word about it?

Ye lawnmower, I mean look at Portsmouth.

They died didn't they.

Not.

Unreal criticism of Borley on here. A man who is more Cardiff City than many of you appreciate. If it were not for Borley we would arguable not have a club today.

SB did loads of great work for the club over the years. To many of us he was a true local hero - Mr Cardiff City. To say he blotted his copy book over the rebrand saga is an understatement. His behaviour on social networking forums and his shameless scaremongering was a disgrace. When we needed a voice of calm in the early days of the saga he spent his time belittling people and spreading the 'red or dead' lie. Images of Borley dancing around in his red wig on the day of the open top bus tour are an insult to those of us who watched the club home and away for many years but felt compelled to boycott when we felt that the club's identity was being wrecked.

So no, I'm afraid Borley was a hero, but in the eyes of many of us he isn't anymore. His behaviour when the rebrand first came to light is one of the major reasons why the club is a soulless shadow of its former self. If there is any truth in the takeover rumours I hope he is not involved in any capacity.

How do you know it was a lie ?

The chief executive Alan Whiteley (at the refunders meeting) said it wasn't 'red or dead' and believe me he was pressed on it, particularly by Dave Sugarman. Likewise, unless I've missed it, at no time did the Malaysians say it was red or dead. Aside from a few high profile and very influential fans and of course, the 'people's director' screaming from the roof tops that it was rebrand or die, there is no evidence to suggest it was accept the rebrand or fold. If you have evidence to the contrary I'd like to hear it.

As things stand it could be red and dead at some point.

Correct Phil, I was there and I also asked Alan Whitley myself and he said it was not Red or Dead, that saying and lies was put out by the Red Brigade

The Club was on its arse and without Tan was going bust. there might be plenty of gullible people out there who believe otherwise, but I've seen the figures and we had run out of lives. No doubt in my mind, if Tan had walked we would have gone through. Ive watched the clubs financial position for years and it's a miracle we hadn't gone through before then. We were fucked , along with all the people owed money from the stadium build, anyone who thinks otherwise is in dreamland.

Good switching around of the use of the word "gullible" there; as you know it's usually levelled at people who hold your viewpoint on this subject.

We're discussing whether it was ever 'red or dead,' not whether Tan may or may not have stuck around longer term had the rebrand been rejected. To reiterate an earlier point, what evidence have you got that it was ever red or dead? The Malaysians certainly never said it was and neither did the chief exec at the time, in fact he dismissed the validity of that notion.

The only people shouting red or dead were Borley and a couple of influential fans. As things stand, the club is in the region of £150m worth of debt, plays in the wrong colours and with a disillusioned, divided fanbase. Remind me, who were the gullible ones again?

Ye lawnmower, I mean look at Portsmouth.

They died didn't they.

Not.

They went bust which is what was facing us. Dozens of innocent people who were owed money by the club lost thousands of pounds and they had 3 delegations and are still on their arse.

Unreal criticism of Borley on here. A man who is more Cardiff City than many of you appreciate. If it were not for Borley we would arguable not have a club today.

SB did loads of great work for the club over the years. To many of us he was a true local hero - Mr Cardiff City. To say he blotted his copy book over the rebrand saga is an understatement. His behaviour on social networking forums and his shameless scaremongering was a disgrace. When we needed a voice of calm in the early days of the saga he spent his time belittling people and spreading the 'red or dead' lie. Images of Borley dancing around in his red wig on the day of the open top bus tour are an insult to those of us who watched the club home and away for many years but felt compelled to boycott when we felt that the club's identity was being wrecked.

So no, I'm afraid Borley was a hero, but in the eyes of many of us he isn't anymore. His behaviour when the rebrand first came to light is one of the major reasons why the club is a soulless shadow of its former self. If there is any truth in the takeover rumours I hope he is not involved in any capacity.

How do you know it was a lie ?

The chief executive Alan Whiteley (at the refunders meeting) said it wasn't 'red or dead' and believe me he was pressed on it, particularly by Dave Sugarman. Likewise, unless I've missed it, at no time did the Malaysians say it was red or dead. Aside from a few high profile and very influential fans and of course, the 'people's director' screaming from the roof tops that it was rebrand or die, there is no evidence to suggest it was accept the rebrand or fold. If you have evidence to the contrary I'd like to hear it.

As things stand it could be red and dead at some point.

Correct Phil, I was there and I also asked Alan Whitley myself and he said it was not Red or Dead, that saying and lies was put out by the Red Brigade

The Club was on its arse and without Tan was going bust. there might be plenty of gullible people out there who believe otherwise, but I've seen the figures and we had run out of lives. No doubt in my mind, if Tan had walked we would have gone through. Ive watched the clubs financial position for years and it's a miracle we hadn't gone through before then. We were fucked , along with all the people owed money from the stadium build, anyone who thinks otherwise is in dreamland.

Good switching around of the use of the word "gullible" there; as you know it's usually levelled at people who hold your viewpoint on this subject.

We're discussing whether it was ever 'red or dead,' not whether Tan may or may not have stuck around longer term had the rebrand been rejected. To reiterate an earlier point, what evidence have you got that it was ever red or dead? The Malaysians certainly never said it was and neither did the chief exec at the time, in fact he dismissed the validity of that notion.

The only people shouting red or dead were Borley and a couple of influential fans. As things stand, the club is in the region of £150m worth of debt, plays in the wrong colours and with a disillusioned, divided fanbase. Remind me, who were the gullible ones again?

The past is the past, there's nothing we can do or say to change that, but we can now come together for the common goal of a return to blue. It's time to put our differences aside.

Unreal criticism of Borley on here. A man who is more Cardiff City than many of you appreciate. If it were not for Borley we would arguable not have a club today.

SB did loads of great work for the club over the years. To many of us he was a true local hero - Mr Cardiff City. To say he blotted his copy book over the rebrand saga is an understatement. His behaviour on social networking forums and his shameless scaremongering was a disgrace. When we needed a voice of calm in the early days of the saga he spent his time belittling people and spreading the 'red or dead' lie. Images of Borley dancing around in his red wig on the day of the open top bus tour are an insult to those of us who watched the club home and away for many years but felt compelled to boycott when we felt that the club's identity was being wrecked.

So no, I'm afraid Borley was a hero, but in the eyes of many of us he isn't anymore. His behaviour when the rebrand first came to light is one of the major reasons why the club is a soulless shadow of its former self. If there is any truth in the takeover rumours I hope he is not involved in any capacity.

How do you know it was a lie ?

The chief executive Alan Whiteley (at the refunders meeting) said it wasn't 'red or dead' and believe me he was pressed on it, particularly by Dave Sugarman. Likewise, unless I've missed it, at no time did the Malaysians say it was red or dead. Aside from a few high profile and very influential fans and of course, the 'people's director' screaming from the roof tops that it was rebrand or die, there is no evidence to suggest it was accept the rebrand or fold. If you have evidence to the contrary I'd like to hear it.

As things stand it could be red and dead at some point.

Correct Phil, I was there and I also asked Alan Whitley myself and he said it was not Red or Dead, that saying and lies was put out by the Red Brigade

The Club was on its arse and without Tan was going bust. there might be plenty of gullible people out there who believe otherwise, but I've seen the figures and we had run out of lives. No doubt in my mind, if Tan had walked we would have gone through. Ive watched the clubs financial position for years and it's a miracle we hadn't gone through before then. We were fucked , along with all the people owed money from the stadium build, anyone who thinks otherwise is in dreamland.

Good switching around of the use of the word "gullible" there; as you know it's usually levelled at people who hold your viewpoint on this subject.

We're discussing whether it was ever 'red or dead,' not whether Tan may or may not have stuck around longer term had the rebrand been rejected. To reiterate an earlier point, what evidence have you got that it was ever red or dead? The Malaysians certainly never said it was and neither did the chief exec at the time, in fact he dismissed the validity of that notion.

The only people shouting red or dead were Borley and a couple of influential fans. As things stand, the club is in the region of £150m worth of debt, plays in the wrong colours and with a disillusioned, divided fanbase. Remind me, who were the gullible ones again?

The past is the past, there's nothing we can do or say to change that, but we can now come together for the common goal of a return to blue. It's time to put our differences aside.

Really really hope somebody hasn't fabricated this rumour. Would be a very cruel thing to do.

Annis...are they mega rich?

Not the one putting them together,but the ones he is asking are

Annis what is your confidence level and timescales on this. Do you think I need to keep hitting refresh on the forum tonight?

Long way to go yet.

7/10 Chance of this Succeeding and if its going to happen? ? ? before June 2015

Hope you're right Annis.

This can only be good, and perhaps it'll be a very Happy New Year

Annis...are they mega rich?

Not the one putting them together,but the ones he is asking are

Annis what is your confidence level and timescales on this. Do you think I need to keep hitting refresh on the forum tonight?

Long way to go yet.

7/10 Chance of this Succeeding and if its going to happen? ? ? before June 2015

Hope you're right Annis.

This can only be good, and perhaps it'll be a very Happy New Year

Ned,its 100% right about a Consortium being put together whether it succeeds remains to be seen.

Unreal criticism of Borley on here. A man who is more Cardiff City than many of you appreciate. If it were not for Borley we would arguable not have a club today.

SB did loads of great work for the club over the years. To many of us he was a true local hero - Mr Cardiff City. To say he blotted his copy book over the rebrand saga is an understatement. His behaviour on social networking forums and his shameless scaremongering was a disgrace. When we needed a voice of calm in the early days of the saga he spent his time belittling people and spreading the 'red or dead' lie. Images of Borley dancing around in his red wig on the day of the open top bus tour are an insult to those of us who watched the club home and away for many years but felt compelled to boycott when we felt that the club's identity was being wrecked.

So no, I'm afraid Borley was a hero, but in the eyes of many of us he isn't anymore. His behaviour when the rebrand first came to light is one of the major reasons why the club is a soulless shadow of its former self. If there is any truth in the takeover rumours I hope he is not involved in any capacity.

How do you know it was a lie ?

The chief executive Alan Whiteley (at the refunders meeting) said it wasn't 'red or dead' and believe me he was pressed on it, particularly by Dave Sugarman. Likewise, unless I've missed it, at no time did the Malaysians say it was red or dead. Aside from a few high profile and very influential fans and of course, the 'people's director' screaming from the roof tops that it was rebrand or die, there is no evidence to suggest it was accept the rebrand or fold. If you have evidence to the contrary I'd like to hear it.

As things stand it could be red and dead at some point.

Correct Phil, I was there and I also asked Alan Whitley myself and he said it was not Red or Dead, that saying and lies was put out by the Red Brigade

The Club was on its arse and without Tan was going bust. there might be plenty of gullible people out there who believe otherwise, but I've seen the figures and we had run out of lives. No doubt in my mind, if Tan had walked we would have gone through. Ive watched the clubs financial position for years and it's a miracle we hadn't gone through before then. We were fucked , along with all the people owed money from the stadium build, anyone who thinks otherwise is in dreamland.

Good switching around of the use of the word "gullible" there; as you know it's usually levelled at people who hold your viewpoint on this subject.

We're discussing whether it was ever 'red or dead,' not whether Tan may or may not have stuck around longer term had the rebrand been rejected. To reiterate an earlier point, what evidence have you got that it was ever red or dead? The Malaysians certainly never said it was and neither did the chief exec at the time, in fact he dismissed the validity of that notion.

The only people shouting red or dead were Borley and a couple of influential fans. As things stand, the club is in the region of £150m worth of debt, plays in the wrong colours and with a disillusioned, divided fanbase. Remind me, who were the gullible ones again?

Whitely didn't have a clue what was going on- he admitted as much.

He'd been sidelined by this point by Tan

Borely, having several millions of the money he'd put at stake had the same worries as any other level headed fan did - just because his opinion does not agree with yours doesn't make him a liar and it's unbeleivable that any decent fan of this club could label him with that after all he did.

So what if he gave some sh1t back on facebook or whatever- it would only have been a fraction of what was aimed at him, by people with no idea how much he had put in to this club.

At the end of the day, Tan didn't have to pay off all the stadium creditors, many of whom would have lost millions and possibly gone bust, costing many people their jobs and livelyhoods.

In my eyes this is more important than the clubs colours or whatever- which can and will be changed back in an instant as this is real people's lives and jobs.

All the people who could have finished the club are dealt with now - any debt is left to Tan, so he now is all we have got to worry about.


You branded it a lie and those who raised concerns about the clubs future as liars yet have no evidence to prove it was- which is why I rightly questioned it. It was a genuine concern and no more a lie than 'we would have been OK', as history and the state of the club at the time clearly shows otherwise.

Anyway, that is my opinion and no matter what anyone says it won't change- time for Christmas with my family now.

Merry Christmas to Cardiff City fans wherever you are and let's hope for a better 2015 than 2014 was

Annis,

Just a thought will you be a part of the Consortium?

Just to address some criticism of Borley in this thread. Borley went above and beyond in the past to save the club and help it out. He did so to the degree where if he didn't tie his money into the club then the club could well have died on its last legs. He's received criticism recently for wanting to protect his investment and even though I feel he's not exactly acted in a responsible manner at times he's taken a lot of harsh flak.

Granted, he's made decisions not everyone would agree with but I'm not sure everyone criticising him would have made any different decisions. It's easy sat on the outside looking in when it's not your money or your family's welfare. By all means, everyone is entitled to their opinion but we shouldn't forget what he did for the club in the past. Maybe he should have just not financially aided the club in the past and let us die on our arse. At least then he wouldn't be given the abuse he is now.

Just to address some criticism of Borley in this thread. Borley went above and beyond in the past to save the club and help it out. He did so to the degree where if he didn't tie his money into the club then the club could well have died on its last legs. He's received criticism recently for wanting to protect his investment and even though I feel he's not exactly acted in a responsible manner at times he's taken a lot of harsh flak.

Granted, he's made decisions not everyone would agree with but I'm not sure everyone criticising him would have made any different decisions. It's easy sat on the outside looking in when it's not your money or your family's welfare. By all means, everyone is entitled to their opinion but we shouldn't forget what he did for the club in the past. Maybe he should have just not financially aided the club in the past and let us die on our arse. At least then he wouldn't be given the abuse he is now.

Spot on

Thanks to the likes of Steve Borley we still (sometimes I still don't know how) have club to support...or in many too cases moan about!

You can't argue how good Steve Borley was for the club in the days when City were a small struggling outfit.
However you also can't defend his behaviour and his goading of fans regarding the rebrand in recent more affluent times.
It's a shame, but he's seriously (and surprisingly) ruined his reputation.

I've had a few dealings with Steve, he's not a bad chap and his hearts in the right place.
To be honest he's had to wade through a minefield since Vincent Tan arrived.
Like I've already stated now's the time to pull together and campaign for a return to blue, our rightful colours.

I've had a few dealings with Steve, he's not a bad chap and his hearts in the right place.
To be honest he's had to wade through a minefield since Vincent Tan arrived.
Like I've already stated now's the time to pull together and campaign for a return to blue, our rightful colours.

What's his opinion of Tan?

You can't argue how good Steve Borley was for the club in the days when City were a small struggling outfit.
However you also can't defend his behaviour and his goading of fans regarding the rebrand in recent more affluent times.
It's a shame, but he's seriously (and surprisingly) ruined his reputation.

I have heard he paid the players wages at one time.

I have heard he and his family have made millions out of Cardiff City FC.

I have seen him goad the fans over the re-brand when really he should have stayed off the booze and kept shun knowing how sensitive the subject is. He has gained by the re-brand, he gloated and now his reputation has been dented and it is all his own work.

I've had a few dealings with Steve, he's not a bad chap and his hearts in the right place.
To be honest he's had to wade through a minefield since Vincent Tan arrived.
Like I've already stated now's the time to pull together and campaign for a return to blue, our rightful colours.

What's his opinion of Tan?

Mixed to be fair.
It's just a shame Steve's reputation has been tarnished by the rebrand, the sooner it's reversed the better.

I've had a few dealings with Steve, he's not a bad chap and his hearts in the right place.
To be honest he's had to wade through a minefield since Vincent Tan arrived.
Like I've already stated now's the time to pull together and campaign for a return to blue, our rightful colours.

What's his opinion of Tan?

Mixed to be fair.
It's just a shame Steve's reputation has been tarnished by the rebrand, the sooner it's reversed the better.

Yes it is a shame but these things take time to heal.

I've heard he has fallen out with Tan. Makes me wonder if Tan has renegade on a deal.

I havw stated on hear before and there must be a lot in it as Steve Davies waded in with his size 9s trying to defend SB. But Borley has made a fortune off the back of Tan and the rebrand.

I havw stated on hear before and there must be a lot in it as Steve Davies waded in with his size 9s trying to defend SB. But Borley has made a fortune off the back of Tan and the rebrand.

Nukes, Steve Davies also stated 100% Sam would be done for Fraud and Tan would never pay Langston, Well Tan has now paid Langston £27million, so where was the fraud?

Plus when Borley liked Tan,Steve Davies did,now Tan has no need for Borley Steve Davies does not like Tan,u could not make that up

Ye lawnmower, I mean look at Portsmouth.

They died didn't they.

Not.

They went bust which is what was facing us. Dozens of innocent people who were owed money by the club lost thousands of pounds and they had 3 delegations and are still on their arse.

If and when we are ever ever ever taken over!

I would like to know the time scale on how long before people start demonstrations etc because they don't like the new owners and what they are doing to the club?

Just a thought

Unreal criticism of Borley on here. A man who is more Cardiff City than many of you appreciate. If it were not for Borley we would arguable not have a club today.

SB did loads of great work for the club over the years. To many of us he was a true local hero - Mr Cardiff City. To say he blotted his copy book over the rebrand saga is an understatement. His behaviour on social networking forums and his shameless scaremongering was a disgrace. When we needed a voice of calm in the early days of the saga he spent his time belittling people and spreading the 'red or dead' lie. Images of Borley dancing around in his red wig on the day of the open top bus tour are an insult to those of us who watched the club home and away for many years but felt compelled to boycott when we felt that the club's identity was being wrecked.

So no, I'm afraid Borley was a hero, but in the eyes of many of us he isn't anymore. His behaviour when the rebrand first came to light is one of the major reasons why the club is a soulless shadow of its former self. If there is any truth in the takeover rumours I hope he is not involved in any capacity.

How do you know it was a lie ?

The chief executive Alan Whiteley (at the refunders meeting) said it wasn't 'red or dead' and believe me he was pressed on it, particularly by Dave Sugarman. Likewise, unless I've missed it, at no time did the Malaysians say it was red or dead. Aside from a few high profile and very influential fans and of course, the 'people's director' screaming from the roof tops that it was rebrand or die, there is no evidence to suggest it was accept the rebrand or fold. If you have evidence to the contrary I'd like to hear it.

As things stand it could be red and dead at some point.

Correct Phil, I was there and I also asked Alan Whitley myself and he said it was not Red or Dead, that saying and lies was put out by the Red Brigade

The Club was on its arse and without Tan was going bust. there might be plenty of gullible people out there who believe otherwise, but I've seen the figures and we had run out of lives. No doubt in my mind, if Tan had walked we would have gone through. Ive watched the clubs financial position for years and it's a miracle we hadn't gone through before then. We were fucked , along with all the people owed money from the stadium build, anyone who thinks otherwise is in dreamland.

Good switching around of the use of the word "gullible" there; as you know it's usually levelled at people who hold your viewpoint on this subject.

We're discussing whether it was ever 'red or dead,' not whether Tan may or may not have stuck around longer term had the rebrand been rejected. To reiterate an earlier point, what evidence have you got that it was ever red or dead? The Malaysians certainly never said it was and neither did the chief exec at the time, in fact he dismissed the validity of that notion.

The only people shouting red or dead were Borley and a couple of influential fans. As things stand, the club is in the region of £150m worth of debt, plays in the wrong colours and with a disillusioned, divided fanbase. Remind me, who were the gullible ones again?

Whitely didn't have a clue what was going on- he admitted as much.

He'd been sidelined by this point by Tan

Borely, having several millions of the money he'd put at stake had the same worries as any other level headed fan did - just because his opinion does not agree with yours doesn't make him a liar and it's unbeleivable that any decent fan of this club could label him with that after all he did.

So what if he gave some sh1t back on facebook or whatever- it would only have been a fraction of what was aimed at him, by people with no idea how much he had put in to this club.

At the end of the day, Tan didn't have to pay off all the stadium creditors, many of whom would have lost millions and possibly gone bust, costing many people their jobs and livelyhoods.

In my eyes this is more important than the clubs colours or whatever- which can and will be changed back in an instant as this is real people's lives and jobs.

All the people who could have finished the club are dealt with now - any debt is left to Tan, so he now is all we have got to worry about.


You branded it a lie and those who raised concerns about the clubs future as liars yet have no evidence to prove it was- which is why I rightly questioned it. It was a genuine concern and no more a lie than 'we would have been OK', as history and the state of the club at the time clearly shows otherwise.

Anyway, that is my opinion and no matter what anyone says it won't change- time for Christmas with my family now.

Merry Christmas to Cardiff City fans wherever you are and let's hope for a better 2015 than 2014 was

We are never going to agree on pretty much anything related to the rebrand. We have polar opposite views and that is not going to change any time soon.

Anyway, enjoy your Christmas. I've no doubt hostilities will continue in the new year.

Annis,

Just a thought will you be a part of the Consortium?

I have not got their kind of money,but I know them well and fully support them

Annis,

Just a thought will you be a part of the Consortium?

I have not got their kind of money,but I know them well and fully support them

Can't possibly be the mexican that brownie suggested then !