" I have been told totally different regarding Vincent Tan"

I agree with nothing you have written lets make that 100% clear and if I have put a label on anything it's you - Disingenuous.

So by default you think selling players to pay off the debt is not an option to Tan

You think the club can afford to pay him is £150m back

And you think you have to be a billionaire to run a football club


All ridiculous and all can be proven wrong without much effort. Try posting sense rather than posting frustrated nonsense aimed at a username

Do you get paid for stating the obvious, over and over. Your mantra on this forum could easily be the scenario for 90% of the football clubs out there, and business in general. Broad-strokes et al.

Agree he is stating the obvious. Regarding tan selling the players, like has already been stated he will sell the big value players and then stick with Ole for a prem push as annis as already stated.

I agree with nothing you have written lets make that 100% clear and if I have put a label on anything it's you - Disingenuous.

So by default you think selling players to pay off the debt is not an option to Tan

You think the club can afford to pay him is £150m back

And you think you have to be a billionaire to run a football club


All ridiculous and all can be proven wrong without much effort. Try posting sense rather than posting frustrated nonsense aimed at a username

Do you get paid for stating the obvious, over and over. Your mantra on this forum could easily be the scenario for 90% of the football clubs out there, and business in general. Broad-strokes et al.

Agree he is stating the obvious. Regarding tan selling the players, like has already been stated he will sell the big value players and then stick with Ole for a prem push as annis as already stated.

So im stating the obvious yet you are all trying to disagree

The fact is my view hasnt changed, ive been saying this is the exit strategy from day dot. And again was vilified for it.

Its all well and good to claim its obviousness as it is unfolding. And even odder to claim its obviousness while stating you disagree.

I agree with nothing you have written lets make that 100% clear and if I have put a label on anything it's you - Disingenuous.

So by default you think selling players to pay off the debt is not an option to Tan

You think the club can afford to pay him is £150m back

And you think you have to be a billionaire to run a football club


All ridiculous and all can be proven wrong without much effort. Try posting sense rather than posting frustrated nonsense aimed at a username

Do you get paid for stating the obvious, over and over. Your mantra on this forum could easily be the scenario for 90% of the football clubs out there, and business in general. Broad-strokes et al.

Agree he is stating the obvious. Regarding tan selling the players, like has already been stated he will sell the big value players and then stick with Ole for a prem push as annis as already stated.

So im stating the obvious yet you are all trying to disagree

The fact is my view hasnt changed, ive been saying this is the exit strategy from day dot. And again was vilified for it.

Its all well and good to claim its obviousness as it is unfolding. And even odder to claim its obviousness while stating you disagree.

God knows who you have been speaking to, but I thought everyone knew the basis of asset stripping pretty common knowledge. The thing is there are not much assets to strip so Tan is pretty much fucked, which is the exact reason why I think he's chancing his luck in getting to the prem, so he has more chance of getting his money back

Nothing by default Tragic other than having your card marked and clearly labeled - disingenuous.

So you agree with what I said afterall then?

You see any monkey can blanket disagree due to fear, an inferiority complex or just a vendetta.

However when the points are broken down, there is nothing to disagree with really

I agree with nothing you say Tragic so I'll just press the default button Tragic and up will come the label that says "Tragic - Disingenuous."

I agree with nothing you have written lets make that 100% clear and if I have put a label on anything it's you - Disingenuous.

So by default you think selling players to pay off the debt is not an option to Tan

You think the club can afford to pay him is £150m back

And you think you have to be a billionaire to run a football club


All ridiculous and all can be proven wrong without much effort. Try posting sense rather than posting frustrated nonsense aimed at a username

Do you get paid for stating the obvious, over and over. Your mantra on this forum could easily be the scenario for 90% of the football clubs out there, and business in general. Broad-strokes et al.

Agree he is stating the obvious. Regarding tan selling the players, like has already been stated he will sell the big value players and then stick with Ole for a prem push as annis as already stated.

So im stating the obvious yet you are all trying to disagree

The fact is my view hasnt changed, ive been saying this is the exit strategy from day dot. And again was vilified for it.

Its all well and good to claim its obviousness as it is unfolding. And even odder to claim its obviousness while stating you disagree.

God knows who you have been speaking to, but I thought everyone knew the basis of asset stripping pretty common knowledge. The thing is there are not much assets to strip so Tan is pretty much fucked, which is the exact reason why I think he's chancing his luck in getting to the prem, so he has more chance of getting his money back

Any idea how giving an asset away for nothing i.e. Andrew Taylor fits into this theory of "Asset Stripping"

Only on planet Tragic Eh.

What have you been reading he past 3 years You have to look no further that this thread to see the type i have been speaking to. There are "this asset stripping is bullshit" and "tan is no asset stripper"

The point being he doesnt need £150m worth of assets. Ive explained how he can get away now with his money back. That is a mixture of future revenues, asset stripping and share sales. He also has the option to continuously lease the training ground to you, set up long sponsorship deals and of course keep some debt for the new owner to pay off.

He is certainly not "fucked" by any stretch of the imagination.

Do you get paid for stating the obvious, over and over. Your mantra on this forum could easily e

Any idea how giving an asset away for nothing i.e. Andrew Taylor fits into this theory of "Asset Stripping"

Only on planet Tragic Eh.

Have I said andrew taylor was part of asset stripping then?

Taylor is wages off the books for a player surplus to requirements who doesn't command much or any sort of a fee.

So on one hand you are saying im stating the obvious and on the other you say you disagree

If you are disagreeing with me then be man enough to state where instead of actually telling everyone "i agree with him as its onvious but dont want to say so will tell him i disagree with everything"

Only on planet castlevendetta eh? Wake up son.

What have you been reading he past 3 years You have to look no further that this thread to see the type i have been speaking to. There are "this asset stripping is bullshit" and "tan is no asset stripper"

The point being he doesnt need £150m worth of assets. Ive explained how he can get away now with his money back. That is a mixture of future revenues, asset stripping and share sales. He also has the option to continuously lease the training ground to you, set up long sponsorship deals and of course keep some debt for the new owner to pay off.

He is certainly not "fucked" by any stretch of the imagination.

It's all ifs and buts what you say really, at the end of the day if we get promoted that brings then a load of options open for Tan. He could turn the club into a profitable business, change debt to equity, new sponsorship deals, sell to potential buyers and so on. To me it looks like he is trying to balance the books now in preparation for next season and possible promotion. By getting the big earners of the books and trimming the squad down he can cut the losses massively.

Do you get paid for stating the obvious, over and over. Your mantra on this forum could easily e

Any idea how giving an asset away for nothing i.e. Andrew Taylor fits into this theory of "Asset Stripping"

Only on planet Tragic Eh.

Have I said andrew taylor was part of asset stripping then?

Taylor is wages off the books for a player surplus to requirements who doesn't command much or any sort of a fee.

So on one hand you are saying im stating the obvious and on the other you say you disagree

If you are disagreeing with me then be man enough to state where instead of actually telling everyone "i agree with him as its onvious but dont want to say so will tell him i disagree with everything"

Only on planet castlevendetta eh? Wake up son.

Wide awake here Tragic and absolutely no vendetta just got your card well and truely marked. - Disingenuous.

I refer to my previous posts regarding not believing anything you say.

So by marking my card it means agreeing with me but making out that you dont

Everyone needs a hobby i guess

So by marking my card it means agreeing with me but making out that you dont

Everyone needs a hobby i guess

No hobby Tragic just making sure I've got you in the right box and thats the disingenuous box.

What have you been reading he past 3 years You have to look no further that this thread to see the type i have been speaking to. There are "this asset stripping is bullshit" and "tan is no asset stripper"

The point being he doesnt need £150m worth of assets. Ive explained how he can get away now with his money back. That is a mixture of future revenues, asset stripping and share sales. He also has the option to continuously lease the training ground to you, set up long sponsorship deals and of course keep some debt for the new owner to pay off.

He is certainly not "fucked" by any stretch of the imagination.

It's all ifs and buts what you say really, at the end of the day if we get promoted that brings then a load of options open for Tan. He could turn the club into a profitable business, change debt to equity, new sponsorship deals, sell to potential buyers and so on. To me it looks like he is trying to balance the books now in preparation for next season and possible promotion. By getting the big earners of the books and trimming the squad down he can cut the losses massively.

My option isnt really ifs and buts at all though. He can do that right now if he wants, or indeed next summer. Its fact.

The biggest "if" is "if" he can get you promoted, and thats my point. He obviously feels the risk to reward ratio allows him one more season to get promoted, after that he is gambling.

So by marking my card it means agreeing with me but making out that you dont

Everyone needs a hobby i guess

No hobby Tragic just making sure I've got you in the right box and thats the disingenuous box.

Disingenuous yet you agree with me, different i guess.

What have you been reading he past 3 years You have to look no further that this thread to see the type i have been speaking to. There are "this asset stripping is bullshit" and "tan is no asset stripper"

The point being he doesnt need £150m worth of assets. Ive explained how he can get away now with his money back. That is a mixture of future revenues, asset stripping and share sales. He also has the option to continuously lease the training ground to you, set up long sponsorship deals and of course keep some debt for the new owner to pay off.

He is certainly not "fucked" by any stretch of the imagination.

It's all ifs and buts what you say really, at the end of the day if we get promoted that brings then a load of options open for Tan. He could turn the club into a profitable business, change debt to equity, new sponsorship deals, sell to potential buyers and so on. To me it looks like he is trying to balance the books now in preparation for next season and possible promotion. By getting the big earners of the books and trimming the squad down he can cut the losses massively.

My option isnt really ifs and buts at all though. He can do that right now if he wants, or indeed next summer. Its fact.

The biggest "if" is "if" he can get you promoted, and thats my point. He obviously feels the risk to reward ratio allows him one more season to get promoted, after that he is gambling.

Of course he could do all that now, but if you think he is going to do that this summer then your wrong who knows what will happen if we do not get promoted, maybe he will start asset stripping. But IMO I think we will get promoted, 1st place to be exact, which is why I have already put 200 quid on it

So by marking my card it means agreeing with me but making out that you dont

Everyone needs a hobby i guess

No hobby Tragic just making sure I've got you in the right box and thats the disingenuous box.

Disingenuous yet you agree with me, different i guess.

No I absolutely do not agree with anything you say Tragic sorry your finding that piece of information difficult to assimilate. But hey ho maybe that's how it is on Planet Tragic.

Or should that be Planet Disingenuous Tragic.

But you just said i was stating the obvious?

Which one is it?

If you now decide you disagree with me afterall, id be very interested to hear your thesis on how you can afford to pay £150m back and why selling layers is not an option.

I mean it couldnt possibly be the angry teen technique of replying to the person saying it rather than what is being said itself could it superb play on words by the way, like a forum Shakespere

What have you been reading he past 3 years You have to look no further that this thread to see the type i have been speaking to. There are "this asset stripping is bullshit" and "tan is no asset stripper"

The point being he doesnt need £150m worth of assets. Ive explained how he can get away now with his money back. That is a mixture of future revenues, asset stripping and share sales. He also has the option to continuously lease the training ground to you, set up long sponsorship deals and of course keep some debt for the new owner to pay off.

He is certainly not "fucked" by any stretch of the imagination.

It's all ifs and buts what you say really, at the end of the day if we get promoted that brings then a load of options open for Tan. He could turn the club into a profitable business, change debt to equity, new sponsorship deals, sell to potential buyers and so on. To me it looks like he is trying to balance the books now in preparation for next season and possible promotion. By getting the big earners of the books and trimming the squad down he can cut the losses massively.

My option isnt really ifs and buts at all though. He can do that right now if he wants, or indeed next summer. Its fact.

The biggest "if" is "if" he can get you promoted, and thats my point. He obviously feels the risk to reward ratio allows him one more season to get promoted, after that he is gambling.

Of course he could do all that now, but if you think he is going to do that this summer then your wrong who knows what will happen if we do not get promoted, maybe he will start asset stripping. But IMO I think we will get promoted, 1st place to be exact, which is why I have already put 200 quid on it

I dont think he will do it this summer, i think it will be next summer.

Whether you get promoted remains to be seen. History suggests you wont in terms of clubs going straight back up, so not nailed on what so ever.

Nobody I dont think has mentioned the Langstone sam hamman senoro where cardiff city would owe say hypertheticaly 100 mill to tan which increases with interest etc .I always thought he would do this to us in the end.
Hes had enough of us and we him so its either he changes back to blue and makes us happy which I dont think he well ever do or he shafts us or he gets us back up and stays to the tune of more unrest again in red.

The stadium extension suggests hes building for the future but in red is a disaster hes on a collision course with the fans tan now knows this question is can tan hold his hands up and say ok I made a mistake I was wrong have the blue back.i really dont think tan could do it so nobody's bigger than any club so I think hes destiny is to leave us how or when who knows. Put it this way if hes not going to give in and return us back to blue the sooner hes goes in my eyes the better it will be for all of us including tan.

Time will tell all we can do is wait but what is absolutely certain Tan will want his money back and I feel he may have the last laugh after he holds all the trump cards here all powered by money.

Well this thread had become very enlightening indeed.

Got to laugh at this asset stripping nonsense. At the end of the day our most expensive players are being sold anyway, regarding the rest of the team they wouldn't fetch much so can't see him bothering. He may well keep the money from caulker, Medel, Marshall and maybe one more, so that's about 25 mil which is his and he can keep it. The way ole is going about his business we are going to have a good team for as little as 5 mil come the end of the summer.

This asset stripping does make me laugh as well because as you rightly point out Caulker & Medel are almost certainly going to be sold on, for any number of reasons none of which have anything to do with asset stripping. In respect of Marshall if he does go then the when has our club ever been in a position to turndown the type of fee we are talking about ? Ledley maybe but lets face it £6m+ is decent money for a player who cost 10% of that.

I'd love to know how VT £12M investment in the stadium expansion fits into this whole asset stripping scenario, then again I'd love to know how the stadium fits into this whole the club is worth say £15m bollocks being spouted by Tragic.

Let's face it the only reason this idiot is being allowed on this site is to keep this whole anti VT rhetoric going, without that Annis would have banned him a long long time ago.

Sorry Annis but allowing this guy to spout his bullshit on here is, in my opinion, damaging the reputation of this messageboard and that's really sad.

totally agree roathy is a mug and types so much bollocks that it's making this forum a f*cking joke recently all the good posters don't bother any more

Got to laugh at this asset stripping nonsense. At the end of the day our most expensive players are being sold anyway, regarding the rest of the team they wouldn't fetch much so can't see him bothering. He may well keep the money from caulker, Medel, Marshall and maybe one more, so that's about 25 mil which is his and he can keep it. The way ole is going about his business we are going to have a good team for as little as 5 mil come the end of the summer.

This asset stripping does make me laugh as well because as you rightly point out Caulker & Medel are almost certainly going to be sold on, for any number of reasons none of which have anything to do with asset stripping. In respect of Marshall if he does go then the when has our club ever been in a position to turndown the type of fee we are talking about ? Ledley maybe but lets face it £6m+ is decent money for a player who cost 10% of that.

I'd love to know how VT £12M investment in the stadium expansion fits into this whole asset stripping scenario, then again I'd love to know how the stadium fits into this whole the club is worth say £15m bollocks being spouted by Tragic.

Let's face it the only reason this idiot is being allowed on this site is to keep this whole anti VT rhetoric going, without that Annis would have banned him a long long time ago.

Sorry Annis but allowing this guy to spout his bullshit on here is, in my opinion, damaging the reputation of this messageboard and that's really sad.

totally agree roathy is a mug and types so much bollocks that it's making this forum a f*cking joke recently all the good posters don't bother any more

I agree but Annis wont listen unless roathie turns pro tan Leedsservice is clearly a troll clearly a poster with more than one name and the likes of these are effecting the quality of the forum.

Got to laugh at this asset stripping nonsense. At the end of the day our most expensive players are being sold anyway, regarding the rest of the team they wouldn't fetch much so can't see him bothering. He may well keep the money from caulker, Medel, Marshall and maybe one more, so that's about 25 mil which is his and he can keep it. The way ole is going about his business we are going to have a good team for as little as 5 mil come the end of the summer.

This asset stripping does make me laugh as well because as you rightly point out Caulker & Medel are almost certainly going to be sold on, for any number of reasons none of which have anything to do with asset stripping. In respect of Marshall if he does go then the when has our club ever been in a position to turndown the type of fee we are talking about ? Ledley maybe but lets face it £6m+ is decent money for a player who cost 10% of that.

I'd love to know how VT £12M investment in the stadium expansion fits into this whole asset stripping scenario, then again I'd love to know how the stadium fits into this whole the club is worth say £15m bollocks being spouted by Tragic.

Let's face it the only reason this idiot is being allowed on this site is to keep this whole anti VT rhetoric going, without that Annis would ha
Sorry Annis but allowing this guy to spout his bullshit on here is, in my opinion, damaging the reputation of this messageboard and that's really sad.

totally agree roathy is a mug and types so much bollocks that it's making this forum a f*cking joke recently all the good posters don't bother any more

He's giving me a f#cking nervous breakdown
He's such an irritating patronising dick head.
I'm off had enough of him and the fact he's got
The board to back his views says it all

Got to laugh at this asset stripping nonsense. At the end of the day our most expensive players are being sold anyway, regarding the rest of the team they wouldn't fetch much so can't see him bothering. He may well keep the money from caulker, Medel, Marshall and maybe one more, so that's about 25 mil which is his and he can keep it. The way ole is going about his business we are going to have a good team for as little as 5 mil come the end of the summer.

This asset stripping does make me laugh as well because as you rightly point out Caulker & Medel are almost certainly going to be sold on, for any number of reasons none of which have anything to do with asset stripping. In respect of Marshall if he does go then the when has our club ever been in a position to turndown the type of fee we are talking about ? Ledley maybe but lets face it £6m+ is decent money for a player who cost 10% of that.

I'd love to know how VT £12M investment in the stadium expansion fits into this whole asset stripping scenario, then again I'd love to know how the stadium fits into this whole the club is worth say £15m bollocks being spouted by Tragic.

Let's face it the only reason this idiot is being allowed on this site is to keep this whole anti VT rhetoric going, without that Annis would have banned him a long long time ago.

Sorry Annis but allowing this guy to spout his bullshit on here is, in my opinion, damaging the reputation of this messageboard and that's really sad.

A forum protest where posters who are fed up of fakes and trolls dont post for a month or something might be the only way to make people listen.

Says the fake

Got to laugh at this asset stripping nonsense. At the end of the day our most expensive players are being sold anyway, regarding the rest of the team they wouldn't fetch much so can't see him bothering. He may well keep the money from caulker, Medel, Marshall and maybe one more, so that's about 25 mil which is his and he can keep it. The way ole is going about his business we are going to have a good team for as little as 5 mil come the end of the summer.

This asset stripping does make me laugh as well because as you rightly point out Caulker & Medel are almost certainly going to be sold on, for any number of reasons none of which have anything to do with asset stripping. In respect of Marshall if he does go then the when has our club ever been in a position to turndown the type of fee we are talking about ? Ledley maybe but lets face it £6m+ is decent money for a player who cost 10% of that.

I'd love to know how VT £12M investment in the stadium expansion fits into this whole asset stripping scenario, then again I'd love to know how the stadium fits into this whole the club is worth say £15m bollocks being spouted by Tragic.

Let's face it the only reason this idiot is being allowed on this site is to keep this whole anti VT rhetoric going, without that Annis would have banned him a long long time ago.

Sorry Annis but allowing this guy to spout his bullshit on here is, in my opinion, damaging the reputation of this messageboard and that's really sad.

totally agree roathy is a mug and types so much bollocks that it's making this forum a f*cking joke recently all the good posters don't bother any more

wez wally.

So which bit do you disagree with then? I dont think it can be disagreed with can it?

Got to laugh at this asset stripping nonsense. At the end of the day our most expensive players are being sold anyway, regarding the rest of the team they wouldn't fetch much so can't see him bothering. He may well keep the money from caulker, Medel, Marshall and maybe one more, so that's about 25 mil which is his and he can keep it. The way ole is going about his business we are going to have a good team for as little as 5 mil come the end of the summer.

This asset stripping does make me laugh as well because as you rightly point out Caulker & Medel are almost certainly going to be sold on, for any number of reasons none of which have anything to do with asset stripping. In respect of Marshall if he does go then the when has our club ever been in a position to turndown the type of fee we are talking about ? Ledley maybe but lets face it £6m+ is decent money for a player who cost 10% of that.

I'd love to know how VT £12M investment in the stadium expansion fits into this whole asset stripping scenario, then again I'd love to know how the stadium fits into this whole the club is worth say £15m bollocks being spouted by Tragic.

Let's face it the only reason this idiot is being allowed on this site is to keep this whole anti VT rhetoric going, without that Annis would have banned him a long long time ago.

Sorry Annis but allowing this guy to spout his bullshit on here is, in my opinion, damaging the reputation of this messageboard and that's really sad.

totally agree roathy is a mug and types so much bollocks that it's making this forum a f*cking joke recently all the good posters don't bother any more

wez wally.

So which bit do you disagree with then? I dont think it can be disagreed with can it?

f*cking off you sad little man ,get a life f*cking tosser

So you are another happy to say "bollocks" yet dont actually know which bit you disagree with.

Keep ranting then chubs

the fact that people cant have a convo about it without telling roathie to f**k off , hes a dickhead , he talks so much shit etc just makes u look like you lost the argument tbh

also the forum says all fans welcome aswell so why the hell would he go away anyway

the fact that people cant have a convo about it without telling roathie to f**k off , hes a dickhead , he talks so much shit etc just makes u look like you lost the argument tbh

also the forum says all fans welcome aswell so why the hell would he go away anyway

Spot on. Its a blanket reply born out of fear of my content.

When I actually ask which bit is "bollox" then they are stumoed or bring up something totally unrelated to the point im making.

Always willing to hear a counter.

The bit that is confusing me is the assumption that every , call it investor if you like. But in truth he is the owner, Runs away with assets every time the books are red. In fact the dept is not only manageable, they are favorable for continuing building assets into the club. Anyway, this risk ratio is not how business men conduct escape rutes. Small time crooks take what they can and run when their ship is sinking and leave everyone behind. What i do read about every day is companies in the red turning things around and restructure, which is the same thing me and every one else in the world does at times when the economy changes for us. If restructure is to be labeled asset stripping i think you are confusing your self young man, be course the motivation behind stripping assets are the ones of saving them self. When an investor reaches his limit of risk to award ratio, he simply stop to put more money in, which is not exactly what is happening right now. This suggest you are barking up the wrong three yet again, as i read in the link the OP gave. He is still here young man, and putting more money in. In theory you are of course right in many things you say. But the basis behind theory, is that it leads to another theory. And in theory not many business owners jump ship, but they turn things around and develop their business to either be marketable or sustainable. I dont see what there is to argue and speculate about here, but all but wait and see.