Am I being negative or just honest ?

Just ignore him Danny. If you prove him wrong (as constantly and consistently happens) he just picks up on some obscure point in order to detract and then troll. As you can see above, he mentions I stated that he is saying that the accounts will lie, I've not said anything of the sort but it just helps this general nuisance to detract from the main point in hand because he's losing badly!

Says the guy who ignores anything when challenged.

Where is the challenge?

Its like fighting a chocolate tea pot with a hot iron poker.

Mmm Tea, good Idea

Just ignore him Danny. If you prove him wrong (as constantly and consistently happens) he just picks up on some obscure point in order to detract and then troll. As you can see above, he mentions I stated that he is saying that the accounts will lie, I've not said anything of the sort but it just helps this general nuisance to detract from the main point in hand because he's losing badly!

Says the guy who ignores anything when challenged.

Every time I challenge him he vanishes for a few days.

Just ignore him Danny. If you prove him wrong (as constantly and consistently happens) he just picks up on some obscure point in order to detract and then troll. As you can see above, he mentions I stated that he is saying that the accounts will lie, I've not said anything of the sort but it just helps this general nuisance to detract from the main point in hand because he's losing badly!

Says the guy who ignores anything when challenged.

Every time I challenge him he vanishes for a few days.

Who? Me?

annis why are you all of a sudden VERYworried about our debt
surely even you can see our debt will be reduced before we even kick a ball in the championship
player sales income will be massively more than player purchases
out going players wages will be massively bigger than in coming players wages
and we have parachute payments to take into account
our average attendances were not greatly better in the premier league to our gates in our championship winning season
a winning team will bring in the crowds especially with an attacking football playing team rather than a boring defencive hoof ball mentality
I honestly believe we now have the chance to not only go straight back up but we will be more prepared to stay there under ole than we were under milky
also I think our finances will be better than when milky was here
just a shame we are not in blue
imo you should put every effort through this board into getting our blue back and stop trying to justify your backing of milky
your influence regarding our colours and badge imo is vital so channel all your energy /threads in that direction for the good of ccfc (please)

Steve,I've been worried about our debts from day one and I have been going on about it even more since it has increased ten fold under Tan and don't forget his promise 2 years ago.

Apparently the present investment into Cardiff city fc all areas is around 130 million and the app book value would be around
60 million in the stadium and a conservative value of say 30 million for players. (Could be more ) with other related commercial assets to be realised at around to 5 to 10 million. Naming rights , commercial corporate bookings and advertising etc. Hearsay has it we made a profit of 10 million. Assuming these figures are realistic it puts a value on all areas of 105 to 110 million, depends of course how the accounts are concluded to the advantage of the directors for tax purposes, or to the Club/Tan if the club was for sale. If my memory serves me correctly when tan took over we were app 80 million in debt inc Hammans and the taxmans debt, with assets of app. 50million leaving us with an overall deficit of 30 million. Which is almost the same as now. we have neither Hamman, taxman, or any imediate creditors at the moment . Can you please explain to the board how you arrive at the quote.
" tan has increased our debt ten fold". In my book we are in a better position now than at any time since the 50s. EXCEPT FOR THE COLOR THAT IS.

Danny, in my opinion we are def not in a better position regarding finances until Tan changes the debt to equity as promised, just wait for the latest accounts to be revealed, not good showing I have heard.

Not seen the accounts but been told that the year ending 2014 will show a profit of 10 million , l have heard since 62 claims its 12 million?. I agree Annis that D to E will be a position we all want as well as blue. My personal point is besides the color (big bollock)
Were generally in good hands financially, and a lot better than others.

How do you know that the accounts ending 2014 will show a profit of £10m when we are only in the 5th month of 2014?

Also it has been stated numerous times that Tan is putting somewhere between £1m-£3m per month to keep the club afloat.

Didn't Tan say so much in a recent interview with Walesonline ?

Annis, financial years usually run march to April, I presume the club follows the same? If so the books should be in for auditing and will be released once ratified by the board

Nathan
The accounts for April 2013-April 2014 should be being audited this very moment

Tan is still at this very moment putting up to £3 mill a month, which is madness.

The CEO and Chairman have both stated in the last few months that the accounts will show an operating profit of £12 million for 2013-2014, so we shall see how true that is soon enough

If they are telling the truth,then why is Tan stating he is having to pay Millions in to the club monthly to keep us going.

If the club was being run properly then it should show a profit after all the money we have received.

So either the CEO/Chairmanship lying or Tan is?

Neither the CEO/Chairman or Tan are lying, as others have pointed out, Tan has still probably had to put money into the club for day to day running, but this is offset against the promised funds from promotion to the Premiership. The accounts will probably not be made public until they are filed at Companies House which can be as late as March 2015, they may of course submit them early. Keith Morgan (Since 62) stated in January "he expected the club to make a profit of £20m-£30m from its first season in the Premier League, with most of the coming from television rights" So he believes it will be more than £12 Million unless he has been mis-quoted.

annis why are you all of a sudden VERYworried about our debt
surely even you can see our debt will be reduced before we even kick a ball in the championship
player sales income will be massively more than player purchases
out going players wages will be massively bigger than in coming players wages
and we have parachute payments to take into account
our average attendances were not greatly better in the premier league to our gates in our championship winning season
a winning team will bring in the crowds especially with an attacking football playing team rather than a boring defencive hoof ball mentality
I honestly believe we now have the chance to not only go straight back up but we will be more prepared to stay there under ole than we were under milky
also I think our finances will be better than when milky was here
just a shame we are not in blue
imo you should put every effort through this board into getting our blue back and stop trying to justify your backing of milky
your influence regarding our colours and badge imo is vital so channel all your energy /threads in that direction for the good of ccfc (please)

Steve,I've been worried about our debts from day one and I have been going on about it even more since it has increased ten fold under Tan and don't forget his promise 2 years ago.[/quote]

Apparently the present investment into Cardiff city fc all areas is around 130 million and the app book value would be around
60 million in the stadium and a conservative value of say 30 million for players. (Could be more ) with other related commercial assets to be realised at around to 5 to 10 million. Naming rights , commercial corporate bookings and advertising etc. Hearsay has it we made a profit of 10 million. Assuming these figures are realistic it puts a value on all areas of 105 to 110 million, depends of course how the accounts are concluded to the advantage of the directors for tax purposes, or to the Club/Tan if the club was for sale. If my memory serves me correctly when tan took over we were app 80 million in debt inc Hammans and the taxmans debt, with assets of app. 50million leaving us with an overall deficit of 30 million. Which is almost the same as now. we have neither Hamman, taxman, or any imediate creditors at the moment . Can you please explain to the board how you arrive at the quote.
" tan has increased our debt ten fold". In my book we are in a better position now than at any time since the 50s. EXCEPT FOR THE COLOR THAT IS.[/quote]

Danny, in my opinion we are def not in a better position regarding finances until Tan changes the debt to equity as promised, just wait for the latest accounts to be revealed, not good showing I have heard.[/quote]

Not seen the accounts but been told that the year ending 2014 will show a profit of 10 million , l have heard since 62 claims its 12 million?. I agree Annis that D to E will be a position we all want as well as blue. My personal point is besides the color (big bollock)
Were generally in good hands financially, and a lot better than others.[/quote]
How do you know that the accounts ending 2014 will show a profit of £10m when we are only in the 5th month of 2014?

Also it has been stated numerous times that Tan is putting somewhere between £1m-£3m per month to keep the club afloat.

Didn't Tan say so much in a recent interview with Walesonline ?[/quote]

Annis, financial years usually run march to April, I presume the club follows the same? If so the books should be in for auditing and will be released once ratified by the board[/quote]

Nathan
The accounts for April 2013-April 2014 should be being audited this very moment

Tan is still at this very moment putting up to £3 mill a month, which is madness.[/quote]

The CEO and Chairman have both stated in the last few months that the accounts will show an operating profit of £12 million for 2013-2014, so we shall see how true that is soon enough [/quote]



If they are telling the truth,then why is Tan stating he is having to pay Millions in to the club monthly to keep us going.

If the club was being run properly then it should show a profit after all the money we have received.

So either the CEO/Chairmanship lying or Tan is?[/quote]

Neither the CEO/Chairman or Tan are lying, as others have pointed out, Tan has still probably had to put money into the club for day to day running, but this is offset against the promised funds from promotion to the Premiership. The accounts will probably not be made public until they are filed at Companies House which can be as late as March 2015, they may of course submit them early. Keith Morgan (Since 62) stated in January "he expected the club to make a profit of £20m-£30m from its first season in the Premier League, with most of the coming from television rights" So he believes it will be more than £12 Million unless he has been mis-quoted. [/quote]

That's correct the figure I've had quoted recently is 10 million. Many are missing the point that you have to buy or build a four star hotel to charge four star prices. Similar demands are made by the premier league. Your talking about millions in Stadium updating etc.
Plus the first TV money isn't paid until mid. Nov. With 3 further instalments. I doubt the final instalment has yet been paid.Running a football doesn't come cheap and until last year our club has relied on hand outs, that's a fact we can't avoid.

annis why are you all of a sudden VERYworried about our debt
surely even you can see our debt will be reduced before we even kick a ball in the championship
player sales income will be massively more than player purchases
out going players wages will be massively bigger than in coming players wages
and we have parachute payments to take into account
our average attendances were not greatly better in the premier league to our gates in our championship winning season
a winning team will bring in the crowds especially with an attacking football playing team rather than a boring defencive hoof ball mentality
I honestly believe we now have the chance to not only go straight back up but we will be more prepared to stay there under ole than we were under milky
also I think our finances will be better than when milky was here
just a shame we are not in blue
imo you should put every effort through this board into getting our blue back and stop trying to justify your backing of milky
your influence regarding our colours and badge imo is vital so channel all your energy /threads in that direction for the good of ccfc (please)

Steve,I've been worried about our debts from day one and I have been going on about it even more since it has increased ten fold under Tan and don't forget his promise 2 years ago.

Apparently the present investment into Cardiff city fc all areas is around 130 million and the app book value would be around
60 million in the stadium and a conservative value of say 30 million for players. (Could be more ) with other related commercial assets to be realised at around to 5 to 10 million. Naming rights , commercial corporate bookings and advertising etc. Hearsay has it we made a profit of 10 million. Assuming these figures are realistic it puts a value on all areas of 105 to 110 million, depends of course how the accounts are concluded to the advantage of the directors for tax purposes, or to the Club/Tan if the club was for sale. If my memory serves me correctly when tan took over we were app 80 million in debt inc Hammans and the taxmans debt, with assets of app. 50million leaving us with an overall deficit of 30 million. Which is almost the same as now. we have neither Hamman, taxman, or any imediate creditors at the moment . Can you please explain to the board how you arrive at the quote.
" tan has increased our debt ten fold". In my book we are in a better position now than at any time since the 50s. EXCEPT FOR THE COLOR THAT IS.[/quote]

Danny, in my opinion we are def not in a better position regarding finances until Tan changes the debt to equity as promised, just wait for the latest accounts to be revealed, not good showing I have heard.[/quote]

Not seen the accounts but been told that the year ending 2014 will show a profit of 10 million , l have heard since 62 claims its 12 million?. I agree Annis that D to E will be a position we all want as well as blue. My personal point is besides the color (big bollock)
Were generally in good hands financially, and a lot better than others.[/quote]
How do you know that the accounts ending 2014 will show a profit of £10m when we are only in the 5th month of 2014?

Also it has been stated numerous times that Tan is putting somewhere between £1m-£3m per month to keep the club afloat.

Didn't Tan say so much in a recent interview with Walesonline ?[/quote]

Annis, financial years usually run march to April, I presume the club follows the same? If so the books should be in for auditing and will be released once ratified by the board[/quote]

Nathan
The accounts for April 2013-April 2014 should be being audited this very moment

Tan is still at this very moment putting up to £3 mill a month, which is madness.[/quote]

The CEO and Chairman have both stated in the last few months that the accounts will show an operating profit of £12 million for 2013-2014, so we shall see how true that is soon enough [/quote]



If they are telling the truth,then why is Tan stating he is having to pay Millions in to the club monthly to keep us going.

If the club was being run properly then it should show a profit after all the money we have received.

So either the CEO/Chairmanship lying or Tan is?[/quote]

Neither the CEO/Chairman or Tan are lying, as others have pointed out, Tan has still probably had to put money into the club for day to day running, but this is offset against the promised funds from promotion to the Premiership. The accounts will probably not be made public until they are filed at Companies House which can be as late as March 2015, they may of course submit them early. Keith Morgan (Since 62) stated in January "he expected the club to make a profit of £20m-£30m from its first season in the Premier League, with most of the coming from television rights" So he believes it will be more than £12 Million unless he has been mis-quoted. [/quote]

That's correct the figure I've had quoted recently is 10 million. Many are missing the point that you have to buy or build a four star hotel to charge four star prices. Similar demands are made by the premier league. Your talking about millions in Stadium updating etc.
Plus the first TV money isn't paid until mid. Nov. With 3 further instalments. I doubt the final instalment has yet been paid.Running a football doesn't come cheap and until last year our club has relied on hand outs, that's a fact we can't avoid.[/quote]
I think that Swansea had to get a loan of 3 million in their first season to tide them over until first TV payment was paid

Its purely cashflow