Training Ground Punch Up Down West

LoL, most people in Britain would hardly have a clue who Leon Britton is.

How many caps does Britton have for England?

the same amount as Paulo Di Canio has for Italy.

Why are both Capoue and Luiz been listed when they have both played only 6 or 7 games as a defensive midfielder

Its called Roathys logic.

In my search these are the names I saw as playing the most in the DMC role.

By all means tell me who you want instead and I will add them

It seems people are happy to say "he shouldnt be there" yet not forthcoming as to who they believe should due to the simple fact that my point remains and it changes nothing

Who they should change to is not the point and you know it. Its the fact you are using different logic for all other teams than you are for Swansea.

The reason for doing this is because at the time of the initial list Canas had been your main DM. The fact hes now been dropped due to non footballing matters is irrelevant.

You didnt want to put him in because he would have been 20th.

Squirm all you want, thats how it is, and anyone with a braincell can work it out so that leaves everyone on this board except Pembroke Allan and Mario.

Why are both Capoue and Luiz been listed when they have both played only 6 or 7 games as a defensive midfielder

Its called Roathys logic.

In my search these are the names I saw as playing the most in the DMC role.

By all means tell me who you want instead and I will add them

It seems people are happy to say "he shouldnt be there" yet not forthcoming as to who they believe should due to the simple fact that my point remains and it changes nothing

All of them.

Bit then it wouldnt be "best starting defensive midfielder" then would it?

Jesus

Why are both Capoue and Luiz been listed when they have both played only 6 or 7 games as a defensive midfielder

Its called Roathys logic.

In my search these are the names I saw as playing the most in the DMC role.

By all means tell me who you want instead and I will add them

It seems people are happy to say "he shouldnt be there" yet not forthcoming as to who they believe should due to the simple fact that my point remains and it changes nothing

Who they should change to is not the point and you know it. Its the fact you are using different logic for all other teams than you are for Swansea.

of course it is the point. I dont know how many times i can tell you that i have no idea who the defensive midfielders of other clubs are, all I can go on is appearances. I KNOW who the starting defensive midfielder is for Swansea... Do you think it is Canas then? You fail to answer that

The reason for doing this is because at the time of the initial list Canas had been your main DM. The fact hes now been dropped due to non footballing matters is irrelevant.

no he hadnt, I made the list at the end of Feb where Britton had been reinstated for the previous 2 months. canas was not dropped due to non footballing matters, what are you talking about? He played like 5 games ago as holding midfield player

You didnt want to put him in because he would have been 20th.

i didnt want to put him in for the same reason i didnt want to put Gunarson in - they arent the starting defensive midfielders.

Again, do you genuinely think canas is then?

Squirm all you want, thats how it is, and anyone with a braincell can work it out so that leaves everyone on this board except Pembroke Allan and Mario.

everybody with a braincell knows Leon Britton is our starting defensive midfielder - even you do

This is one of the worst arguments you have ever come up with

LoL, most people in Britain would hardly have a clue who Leon Britton is.

How many caps does Britton have for England?

the same amount as Paulo Di Canio has for Italy.

So you're saying Britton is on the same level as Di Canio...

So you're saying Britton is on the same level as Di Canio...

Eh?

Where did I say that? Differing positions for a start

You asked me how many caps he had for England, I replied with the same amount Di Canio has for Italy.

Why are both Capoue and Luiz been listed when they have both played only 6 or 7 games as a defensive midfielder

Its called Roathys logic.

In my search these are the names I saw as playing the most in the DMC role.

By all means tell me who you want instead and I will add them

It seems people are happy to say "he shouldnt be there" yet not forthcoming as to who they believe should due to the simple fact that my point remains and it changes nothing

Who they should change to is not the point and you know it. Its the fact you are using different logic for all other teams than you are for Swansea.

of course it is the point. I dont know how many times i can tell you that i have no idea who the defensive midfielders of other clubs are, all I can go on is appearances. I KNOW who the starting defensive midfielder is for Swansea... Do you think it is Canas then? You fail to answer that

The reason for doing this is because at the time of the initial list Canas had been your main DM. The fact hes now been dropped due to non footballing matters is irrelevant.

no he hadnt, I made the list at the end of Feb where Britton had been reinstated for the previous 2 months. canas was not dropped due to non footballing matters, what are you talking about? He played like 5 games ago as holding midfield player

You didnt want to put him in because he would have been 20th.

i didnt want to put him in for the same reason i didnt want to put Gunarson in - they arent the starting defensive midfielders.

Again, do you genuinely think canas is then?

Squirm all you want, thats how it is, and anyone with a braincell can work it out so that leaves everyone on this board except Pembroke Allan and Mario.

everybody with a braincell knows Leon Britton is our starting defensive midfielder - even you do

This is one of the worst arguments you have ever come up with

So now he plays holding midfielder not defensive midfielder, which is the same bloody thing.

Another twist to the tale

You think a holding midfield position is the same as a defensive midfield position

Oh dear someone better tell De Guzman he is out of a job

You think a holding midfield position is the same as a defensive midfield position

Oh dear someone better tell De Guzman he is out of a job

Holding midfielder / Defensive midfielder / Anchorman. All one and the same. Hold their position, dont take risks.

De Guzman, who you described countless times as an attacking midfielder is a holding midfielder now is he

Well I call that position we play a holding role anyway, holding the attack and defence together, the link man.

But whatever - Triquesta then if you like. That is where Canas has played recently, not defensive midfielder - hence why Britton played in the same side too.

De Guzman had played attacking midfielder in the absence of Michu and Shelvey, but he is the triquesta.

Shall we get back to the debate.... Who do you think is our first choice defensive midfielder?

Well I call that position we play a holding role anyway, holding the attack and defence together, the link man.

But whatever - Triquesta then if you like. That is where Canas has played recently, not defensive midfielder - hence why Britton played in the same side too.

De Guzman had played attacking midfielder in the absence of Michu and Shelvey, but he is the triquesta.

Shall we get back to the debate.... Who do you think is our first choice defensive midfielder?

A trequartista is not the same as a HOLDING midfielder. The clue is in the name

Well I call that position we play a holding role anyway, holding the attack and defence together, the link man.

But whatever - Triquesta then if you like. That is where Canas has played recently, not defensive midfielder - hence why Britton played in the same side too.

De Guzman had played attacking midfielder in the absence of Michu and Shelvey, but he is the triquesta.

Shall we get back to the debate.... Who do you think is our first choice defensive midfielder?

At the time of your initial list it was Canas

Now its Britton

We both know had Britton and Canas scores been the other way around you would have put Canas in your initial list and gone with the "Hes made more starts" logic.

Thats why you are Mr.Manipulator.

A trequartista is not the same as a HOLDING midfielder. The clue is in the name

Depends on how you translate the "holding" - i use that for the player that holds the defence and the attack. We have 3 central midfielders, one defensive, one link man and one attacking.

Who do you think our starting defensive midfielder is?

Well I call that position we play a holding role anyway, holding the attack and defence together, the link man.

But whatever - Triquesta then if you like. That is where Canas has played recently, not defensive midfielder - hence why Britton played in the same side too.

De Guzman had played attacking midfielder in the absence of Michu and Shelvey, but he is the triquesta.

Shall we get back to the debate.... Who do you think is our first choice defensive midfielder?

At the time of your initial list it was Canas

Now its Britton

We both know had Britton and Canas scores been the other way around you would have put Canas in your initial list and gone with the "Hes made more starts" logic.

Thats why you are Mr.Manipulator.

So you think Britton is now our starting defensive midfielder because he is starting ahead of canas yet at the time of the list he was still doing that.

A trequartista is not the same as a HOLDING midfielder. The clue is in the name

Depends on how you translate the "holding" - i use that for the player that holds the defence and the attack. We have 3 central midfielders, one defensive, one link man and one attacking.

Who do you think our starting defensive midfielder is?

A holding midfielder is a midfielder who HOLDS his position, nothing complicated about that.

A trequartista is a player who plays football 3/4's up the pitch and links the attacking play e.g. Zola, Silva etc.

As for who your starting defensive midfielder is I would say its Britton however Canas has only play a handful of games less than Britton so its more than fair to bring him into the argument

Why are both Capoue and Luiz been listed when they have both played only 6 or 7 games as a defensive midfielder

Its called Roathys logic.

In my search these are the names I saw as playing the most in the DMC role.

By all means tell me who you want instead and I will add them

It seems people are happy to say "he shouldnt be there" yet not forthcoming as to who they believe should due to the simple fact that my point remains and it changes nothing

All of them.

Bit then it wouldnt be "best starting defensive midfielder" then would it?

Jesus

so why are you not including teams best starting defensive midfielders in your original list then!

f*cking tit

So you're saying Britton is on the same level as Di Canio...

Eh?

Where did I say that? Differing positions for a start

You asked me how many caps he had for England, I replied with the same amount Di Canio has for Italy.

Oh dear. You are clearly comparing Britton to Di Canio by referencing him in your analogy!

So you're saying Britton is on the same level as Di Canio...

Eh?

Where did I say that? Differing positions for a start

You asked me how many caps he had for England, I replied with the same amount Di Canio has for Italy.

Oh dear. You are clearly comparing Britton to Di Canio by referencing him in your analogy!

Im doing nothing of the sort. It isnt even an analogy, it is a fact.

The poster was clearly making the insinuation that because a player doesnt have a cap it means he isnt good. I showed that good players dont always get caps - Artera is another

A trequartista is not the same as a HOLDING midfielder. The clue is in the name

Depends on how you translate the "holding" - i use that for the player that holds the defence and the attack. We have 3 central midfielders, one defensive, one link man and one attacking.

Who do you think our starting defensive midfielder is?

A holding midfielder is a midfielder who HOLDS his position, nothing complicated about that.

depends on how you define "holding" i dont define it as that. I call that a defensive midfielder.

A trequartista is a player who plays football 3/4's up the pitch and links the attacking play e.g. Zola, Silva etc.

de guzman

As for who your starting defensive midfielder is I would say its Britton however Canas has only play a handful of games less than Britton so its more than fair to bring him into the argument

we are taking THE starting midfielder from each team, hence why there is 20 players. It is ridiculous to suggest I should add 2 from Swansea to include someone not even in the squad

Why are both Capoue and Luiz been listed when they have both played only 6 or 7 games as a defensive midfielder

Its called Roathys logic.

In my search these are the names I saw as playing the most in the DMC role.

By all means tell me who you want instead and I will add them

It seems people are happy to say "he shouldnt be there" yet not forthcoming as to who they believe should due to the simple fact that my point remains and it changes nothing

All of them.

Bit then it wouldnt be "best starting defensive midfielder" then would it?

Jesus

so why are you not including teams best starting defensive midfielders in your original list then!

f*cking tit

Jesus.

As ive said time and time again, quit moaning and tell me who you want in and i will do it.

Are you drunk?

And more importantly does it change anything? Are these players you want in going to be below Medel, i highly doubt it. Such futile deflection

A trequartista is not the same as a HOLDING midfielder. The clue is in the name

Depends on how you translate the "holding" - i use that for the player that holds the defence and the attack. We have 3 central midfielders, one defensive, one link man and one attacking.

Who do you think our starting defensive midfielder is?

A holding midfielder is a midfielder who HOLDS his position, nothing complicated about that.

depends on how you define "holding" i dont define it as that. I call that a defensive midfielder.

A trequartista is a player who plays football 3/4's up the pitch and links the attacking play e.g. Zola, Silva etc.

de guzman

As for who your starting defensive midfielder is I would say its Britton however Canas has only play a handful of games less than Britton so its more than fair to bring him into the argument

we are taking THE starting midfielder from each team, hence why there is 20 players. It is ridiculous to suggest I should add 2 from Swansea to include someone not even in the squad

You can change the definition of holding all you want but it means nothing more than holding your position

Well Canas is certainly not a trequarista so don't know why your comparing him to the same role De Guzman plays

You haven't taken the starting midfielder from each team if your selecting Luiz, Capoue, Lucas etc.

LoL, most people in Britain would hardly have a clue who Leon Britton is.

How many caps does Britton have for England?

the same amount as Paulo Di Canio has for Italy.

When Leon Brittoni returns home from becoming one of the best imports to play in Serie A, we can discuss this further..

A trequartista is not the same as a HOLDING midfielder. The clue is in the name

Depends on how you translate the "holding" - i use that for the player that holds the defence and the attack. We have 3 central midfielders, one defensive, one link man and one attacking.

Who do you think our starting defensive midfielder is?

A holding midfielder is a midfielder who HOLDS his position, nothing complicated about that.

depends on how you define "holding" i dont define it as that. I call that a defensive midfielder.

A trequartista is a player who plays football 3/4's up the pitch and links the attacking play e.g. Zola, Silva etc.

de guzman

As for who your starting defensive midfielder is I would say its Britton however Canas has only play a handful of games less than Britton so its more than fair to bring him into the argument

we are taking THE starting midfielder from each team, hence why there is 20 players. It is ridiculous to suggest I should add 2 from Swansea to include someone not even in the squad

Well Canas is certainly not a trequarista so don't know why your comparing him to the same role De Guzman plays

You haven't taken the starting midfielder from each team if your selecting Luiz, Capoue, Lucas etc.

Canas a trequarista ffs

He hasnt used Lee Cattermole either as it pushes Gary up a place and a more defensive midfielder you could not get

Mr.Manipulator strikes again

Lets not forget Amat played DM against Spurs around the time of the list, with Britton in trequarista role

A trequartista is not the same as a HOLDING midfielder. The clue is in the name

Depends on how you translate the "holding" - i use that for the player that holds the defence and the attack. We have 3 central midfielders, one defensive, one link man and one attacking.

Who do you think our starting defensive midfielder is?

A holding midfielder is a midfielder who HOLDS his position, nothing complicated about that.

depends on how you define "holding" i dont define it as that. I call that a defensive midfielder.

A trequartista is a player who plays football 3/4's up the pitch and links the attacking play e.g. Zola, Silva etc.

de guzman

As for who your starting defensive midfielder is I would say its Britton however Canas has only play a handful of games less than Britton so its more than fair to bring him into the argument

we are taking THE starting midfielder from each team, hence why there is 20 players. It is ridiculous to suggest I should add 2 from Swansea to include someone not even in the squad

You can change the definition of holding all you want but it means nothing more than holding your position

the definition of holding is simply holding something. Yours is different to mine. Just something you will have to deal with i think.

Well Canas is certainly not a trequarista so don't know why your comparing him to the same role De Guzman plays

and michu isnt a striker, but he plays there when needed. Canas played exactly that role at times this season when Britton plays in the same side.

You haven't taken the starting midfielder from each team if your selecting Luiz, Capoue, Lucas etc.

this was done months ago. From my glances, they had played the most in that role at the time. If you wish to make suggestions i will change them, I've said that countless times. Nobody seems to want to, i assume because you know it will change nothing

Lets not forget Amat played DM against Spurs around the time of the list, with Britton in trequarista role

No he didnt. Amat played sat in front of the defence, Britton played in his normal deep lying defensive midfield position.

If you are going to make things up then get aliens and stuff involved, at least be creative

A trequartista is not the same as a HOLDING midfielder. The clue is in the name

Depends on how you translate the "holding" - i use that for the player that holds the defence and the attack. We have 3 central midfielders, one defensive, one link man and one attacking.

Who do you think our starting defensive midfielder is?

A holding midfielder is a midfielder who HOLDS his position, nothing complicated about that.

depends on how you define "holding" i dont define it as that. I call that a defensive midfielder.

A trequartista is a player who plays football 3/4's up the pitch and links the attacking play e.g. Zola, Silva etc.

de guzman

As for who your starting defensive midfielder is I would say its Britton however Canas has only play a handful of games less than Britton so its more than fair to bring him into the argument

we are taking THE starting midfielder from each team, hence why there is 20 players. It is ridiculous to suggest I should add 2 from Swansea to include someone not even in the squad

You can change the definition of holding all you want but it means nothing more than holding your position

the definition of holding is simply holding something. Yours is different to mine. Just something you will have to deal with i think.

Well Canas is certainly not a trequarista so don't know why your comparing him to the same role De Guzman plays

and michu isnt a striker, but he plays there when needed. Canas played exactly that role at times this season when Britton plays in the same side.

You haven't taken the starting midfielder from each team if your selecting Luiz, Capoue, Lucas etc.

this was done months ago. From my glances, they had played the most in that role at the time. If you wish to make suggestions i will change them, I've said that countless times. Nobody seems to want to, i assume because you know it will change nothing

Does this honestly describe the role Canas plays? From Wikipedia:

The trequartista, usually wearing the jersey number 10, will sit in a free role between midfield and the forwards, either in the centre of the pitch or on the wings. They will often make incisive passes to the wingers or forwards, seeing them through on goal or to deliver killer crosses, as well as scoring goals themselves. They are also usually highly technical players with good vision, shooting, passing, crossing and dribbling ability, known for scoring goals as well as providing assists and initiating attacking plays. Diego Maradona[2] was an elite trequartista.

Edit: Also surely if it was done months ago Canas would have played more games than Britton

Edit 2: Also no mention of holding in that description is there

You are saying "plays" as if you are unaware of what has been said.

He doesn't normally play there no, just as Amat doesnt normally play in front of the defence and just as De Guzman doesnt normally play on the wing.

Someone made the point he started some games last month or something pointless to the debate. I said that he wasnt playing defensive midfielder in some of those starts, he played in the de guzman/shelvey role. And yes he played exactly the role you describe and was understandably awful.

** response to edit. Please read the thread, you are asking the same pointless questions.

I dont know who the defensive midfielders are for other sides, i dont watch them. All i had to go on was appearances. I KNOW who is swanseas starting midfielder so didnt have to go on appearances. As ive said many times, if you disagree with any then let me know.... Again you have refused to, wonder why

You are saying "plays" as if you are unaware of what has been said.

He doesn't normally play there no, just as Amat doesnt normally play in front of the defence and just as De Guzman doesnt normally play on the wing.

Someone made the point he started some games last month or something pointless to the debate. I said that he wasnt playing defensive midfielder in some of those starts, he played in the de guzman/shelvey role. And yes he played exactly the role you describe and was understandably awful.

No you said he plays mostly as a holding midfielder the same role you said De Guzman plays not as a defensive midfielder. So either De Guzman is a Trequarista or is a holding midfielder two totally different positions.

Defintion of a holding midfielder from http://worldsoccer.about.com

Definition: A holding midfielder's primary role is to break up the opposition’s attacks. Holding midfielders help protect a team’s back line by sitting in front of the central defenders and do not contribute as much to attacking plays. An ability to tackle is a key attribute. Most good teams have a player capable of screening the defense, acting as an insurance policy should the team surrender possession.

Also Known As: Defensive midfielder, Anchorman, Midfield anchor.

You are saying "plays" as if you are unaware of what has been said.

He doesn't normally play there no, just as Amat doesnt normally play in front of the defence and just as De Guzman doesnt normally play on the wing.

Someone made the point he started some games last month or something pointless to the debate. I said that he wasnt playing defensive midfielder in some of those starts, he played in the de guzman/shelvey role. And yes he played exactly the role you describe and was understandably awful.

No you said he plays mostly as a holding midfielder the same role you said De Guzman plays not as a defensive midfielder. So either De Guzman is a Trequarista or is a holding midfielder two totally different positions.

Defintion of a holding midfielder from http://worldsoccer.about.com

Definition: A holding midfielder's primary role is to break up the opposition’s attacks. Holding midfielders help protect a team’s back line by sitting in front of the central defenders and do not contribute as much to attacking plays. An ability to tackle is a key attribute. Most good teams have a player capable of screening the defense, acting as an insurance policy should the team surrender possession.

Also Known As: Defensive midfielder, Anchorman, Midfield anchor.

You think I said Canas mostly plays as holding midfield player?

Please take my advice and read the thread, or indeed quote this mystical quote.

Or continue in your dads vein and ignore what you are being told and keep pushing a pointless argument that doesnt even exist

Quote please