teachers on strike today

It was stated today that since the teachers pension scheme began £84 billion MORE had been paid IN than paid OUT.
Where is the actual evidence that the pension scheme was unsustainable?
But beyond that- apart from pensions and pay has anyone got anything constructive or educated to say about my main reasons for striking as noted earlier in the thread?
Has anyone else named another job where your pay is directly reliant upon the performance of a child?
Does any have any knowledge of the grey areas which make PRP unmanageable and ineffective in education?
Does anyone have any idea at all about being a teacher- not knowing one- being one?
Because I really can't see how you can sit back and spout nonsense unless you have experienced it first hand.

Performance related pay is crap, most businesses use it

You say your pay is based on a child well that's not true is it, it's about your ability to influence these children to achieve by err results is it not? If you can influence these children well enough then surely you can improve their results!

Although you are correct in saying that other factors will influence your ability to improve results like home life etc that you have no control over! So take a sales job for exmaple

My performance based pay is upon sales, I can't directly influence how someone spends there money and for many years I've argued that sales isn't a fair performance indicator, partly cos we are still in recession where money is tight and other factors for example sales prices etc can affect sales yet it's one of my targets that's life
I've argued that bottom line profit in my business should by my performance related pay review buts it's not I have five factors I'm marked a may not hit any but I might still make bottom line profit that doesn't matter to my boss even if I've gone up 10% on last years bottom line profit

I have no effect on group marketing or product pricing strategy I'm just expected to deliver increased turnover lower labour less leakage less expenses in order to achieve maximum bottom line turnover

I've achieved higher bottom line turnover year on year for 8 years now yet I've never recieved a bonus or pay review as I haven't hit all of the other KPI's I've mentioned due to IMO unrealistic budgets on the businesses behalf a bit like your child scenario really isn't it you have no control over certain factors I have no control over certain factors that greatly influence my figures in my job

Is it fair NO! Do I just get on with it? YES do I strike ? NO

It's a well documented fact that the public sector can't sustain itself hence why there lots of reforms of pensions and wages etc

We all know the coffers will run out and to dsw who mentions his taxes well news for you pal you tax and national insurance contributions won't even cover you pension when you retire hence the need for reform

The fact is the public sector has been living off the taxes of other for many years now, it's not their fault it's the governments fault for letting it get this way

The reason the private sector pensions and wages are like they are is so that they are sustainable long term simple as that there may be some private sector companies that could pay more in wages etc but they won't as profit is their game

Public sector has no worries about profit and now simply because Britain is skint they are finally reviewing where the money is going and clearly too much is being lost through public sector over inflated pensions and wages to some of the public sector jobs

We all have to suffer it I think it's only fair that the public sector does too

But it wasnt the package they signed up for

Profit and loss is lost on public sector workers, Smakerz, they think we live in a country where money grows on trees.

Quite clearly and that's another reason this country is in the mess it is! Most MPs come from the same background and these guys are the ones balancing the countries books lol

Never worked for a business that needs to make a profit to stay afloat yet they try and keep Britain afloat

Exactly.

Cut out all the MPs of this land, there are far too many, and just employ 10 of the best business minds in the country to sort it out.

Pay the likes of Sugar, Branson.etc a kings ransom to sort out this mess.

Funny thing is this would more than likely work mate, they have a far better understanding of what it takes to succeed in life and actually have life experience

Mr Cameron never built anything from scratch in his life and has no real understanding of anything having been Molly coddled all his life

It was stated today that since the teachers pension scheme began £84 billion MORE had been paid IN than paid OUT.
Where is the actual evidence that the pension scheme was unsustainable?
But beyond that- apart from pensions and pay has anyone got anything constructive or educated to say about my main reasons for striking as noted earlier in the thread?
Has anyone else named another job where your pay is directly reliant upon the performance of a child?
Does any have any knowledge of the grey areas which make PRP unmanageable and ineffective in education?
Does anyone have any idea at all about being a teacher- not knowing one- being one?
Because I really can't see how you can sit back and spout nonsense unless you have experienced it first hand.

Performance related pay is crap, most businesses use it

You say your pay is based on a child well that's not true is it, it's about your ability to influence these children to achieve by err results is it not? If you can influence these children well enough then surely you can improve their results!

Although you are correct in saying that other factors will influence your ability to improve results like home life etc that you have no control over! So take a sales job for exmaple

My performance based pay is upon sales, I can't directly influence how someone spends there money and for many years I've argued that sales isn't a fair performance indicator, partly cos we are still in recession where money is tight and other factors for example sales prices etc can affect sales yet it's one of my targets that's life
I've argued that bottom line profit in my business should by my performance related pay review buts it's not I have five factors I'm marked a may not hit any but I might still make bottom line profit that doesn't matter to my boss even if I've gone up 10% on last years bottom line profit

I have no effect on group marketing or product pricing strategy I'm just expected to deliver increased turnover lower labour less leakage less expenses in order to achieve maximum bottom line turnover

I've achieved higher bottom line turnover year on year for 8 years now yet I've never recieved a bonus or pay review as I haven't hit all of the other KPI's I've mentioned due to IMO unrealistic budgets on the businesses behalf a bit like your child scenario really isn't it you have no control over certain factors I have no control over certain factors that greatly influence my figures in my job

Is it fair NO! Do I just get on with it? YES do I strike ? NO

So the ONLY difference between you and me is that I have chosen not to accept unfairness and strike.
As far as PRP in Education I really can't say anymore other than you would have to see how they are doing it and be a teacher to fully understand the objections towards it. Teaching and learning is so complex that you cannot set a target on which to base success or failure of performance. Education is a team effort within a school and individuals cannot be judged fairly.

It was stated today that since the teachers pension scheme began £84 billion MORE had been paid IN than paid OUT.
Where is the actual evidence that the pension scheme was unsustainable?
But beyond that- apart from pensions and pay has anyone got anything constructive or educated to say about my main reasons for striking as noted earlier in the thread?
Has anyone else named another job where your pay is directly reliant upon the performance of a child?
Does any have any knowledge of the grey areas which make PRP unmanageable and ineffective in education?
Does anyone have any idea at all about being a teacher- not knowing one- being one?
Because I really can't see how you can sit back and spout nonsense unless you have experienced it first hand.

Performance related pay is crap, most businesses use it

You say your pay is based on a child well that's not true is it, it's about your ability to influence these children to achieve by err results is it not? If you can influence these children well enough then surely you can improve their results!

Although you are correct in saying that other factors will influence your ability to improve results like home life etc that you have no control over! So take a sales job for exmaple

My performance based pay is upon sales, I can't directly influence how someone spends there money and for many years I've argued that sales isn't a fair performance indicator, partly cos we are still in recession where money is tight and other factors for example sales prices etc can affect sales yet it's one of my targets that's life
I've argued that bottom line profit in my business should by my performance related pay review buts it's not I have five factors I'm marked a may not hit any but I might still make bottom line profit that doesn't matter to my boss even if I've gone up 10% on last years bottom line profit

I have no effect on group marketing or product pricing strategy I'm just expected to deliver increased turnover lower labour less leakage less expenses in order to achieve maximum bottom line turnover

I've achieved higher bottom line turnover year on year for 8 years now yet I've never recieved a bonus or pay review as I haven't hit all of the other KPI's I've mentioned due to IMO unrealistic budgets on the businesses behalf a bit like your child scenario really isn't it you have no control over certain factors I have no control over certain factors that greatly influence my figures in my job

Is it fair NO! Do I just get on with it? YES do I strike ? NO

So the ONLY difference between you and me is that I have chosen not to accept unfairness and strike.
As far as PRP in Education I really can't say anymore other than you would have to see how they are doing it and be a teacher to fully understand the objections towards it. Teaching and learning is so complex that you cannot set a target on which to base success or failure of performance. Education is a team effort within a school and individuals cannot be judged fairly.

Didn't you say earlier that you do the job for the kids?

Don't you see striking today is the complete opposite of that?

Another difference is the union won't back us like your union does if I strike I won't be around long! Private sector companies won't put up with it

Unfortunately that went out when Maggie destroyed the steel and coal industries in the 1980's
They had great unions who stuck together it's just not like that in the sector anymore

It was stated today that since the teachers pension scheme began £84 billion MORE had been paid IN than paid OUT.
Where is the actual evidence that the pension scheme was unsustainable?
But beyond that- apart from pensions and pay has anyone got anything constructive or educated to say about my main reasons for striking as noted earlier in the thread?
Has anyone else named another job where your pay is directly reliant upon the performance of a child?
Does any have any knowledge of the grey areas which make PRP unmanageable and ineffective in education?
Does anyone have any idea at all about being a teacher- not knowing one- being one?
Because I really can't see how you can sit back and spout nonsense unless you have experienced it first hand.

Performance related pay is crap, most businesses use it

You say your pay is based on a child well that's not true is it, it's about your ability to influence these children to achieve by err results is it not? If you can influence these children well enough then surely you can improve their results!

Although you are correct in saying that other factors will influence your ability to improve results like home life etc that you have no control over! So take a sales job for exmaple

My performance based pay is upon sales, I can't directly influence how someone spends there money and for many years I've argued that sales isn't a fair performance indicator, partly cos we are still in recession where money is tight and other factors for example sales prices etc can affect sales yet it's one of my targets that's life
I've argued that bottom line profit in my business should by my performance related pay review buts it's not I have five factors I'm marked a may not hit any but I might still make bottom line profit that doesn't matter to my boss even if I've gone up 10% on last years bottom line profit

I have no effect on group marketing or product pricing strategy I'm just expected to deliver increased turnover lower labour less leakage less expenses in order to achieve maximum bottom line turnover

I've achieved higher bottom line turnover year on year for 8 years now yet I've never recieved a bonus or pay review as I haven't hit all of the other KPI's I've mentioned due to IMO unrealistic budgets on the businesses behalf a bit like your child scenario really isn't it you have no control over certain factors I have no control over certain factors that greatly influence my figures in my job

Is it fair NO! Do I just get on with it? YES do I strike ? NO

So the ONLY difference between you and me is that I have chosen not to accept unfairness and strike.
As far as PRP in Education I really can't say anymore other than you would have to see how they are doing it and be a teacher to fully understand the objections towards it. Teaching and learning is so complex that you cannot set a target on which to base success or failure of performance. Education is a team effort within a school and individuals cannot be judged fairly.

Didn't you say earlier that you do the job for the kids?

Don't you see striking today is the complete opposite of that?

Another difference is the union won't back us like your union does if I strike I won't be around long! Private sector companies won't put up with it

Unfortunately that went out when Maggie destroyed the steel and coal industries in the 1980's
They had great unions who stuck together it's just not like that in the sector anymore

I'm striking today FOR the kids.
I see day in day out the slow destruction of education.
Teachers see the problems and want to fix them but are tied down by paper work and political meddling.
The more Gove attacks teachers the unhappier teachers become.
Changes are constantly made by politicians who don't understand teaching and learning. They only understand data and they read that wrong too!
Even if I jumped through hoops and did 100% of what the government wanted I KNOW the children wouldn't be getting a good education. That's why I say I strike for the kids.
And please can we stop trying to devalue Public sector unions just because Private sector ones are letting you down?

It was stated today that since the teachers pension scheme began £84 billion MORE had been paid IN than paid OUT.
Where is the actual evidence that the pension scheme was unsustainable?
But beyond that- apart from pensions and pay has anyone got anything constructive or educated to say about my main reasons for striking as noted earlier in the thread?
Has anyone else named another job where your pay is directly reliant upon the performance of a child?
Does any have any knowledge of the grey areas which make PRP unmanageable and ineffective in education?
Does anyone have any idea at all about being a teacher- not knowing one- being one?
Because I really can't see how you can sit back and spout nonsense unless you have experienced it first hand.

Performance related pay is crap, most businesses use it

You say your pay is based on a child well that's not true is it, it's about your ability to influence these children to achieve by err results is it not? If you can influence these children well enough then surely you can improve their results!

Although you are correct in saying that other factors will influence your ability to improve results like home life etc that you have no control over! So take a sales job for exmaple

My performance based pay is upon sales, I can't directly influence how someone spends there money and for many years I've argued that sales isn't a fair performance indicator, partly cos we are still in recession where money is tight and other factors for example sales prices etc can affect sales yet it's one of my targets that's life
I've argued that bottom line profit in my business should by my performance related pay review buts it's not I have five factors I'm marked a may not hit any but I might still make bottom line profit that doesn't matter to my boss even if I've gone up 10% on last years bottom line profit

I have no effect on group marketing or product pricing strategy I'm just expected to deliver increased turnover lower labour less leakage less expenses in order to achieve maximum bottom line turnover

I've achieved higher bottom line turnover year on year for 8 years now yet I've never recieved a bonus or pay review as I haven't hit all of the other KPI's I've mentioned due to IMO unrealistic budgets on the businesses behalf a bit like your child scenario really isn't it you have no control over certain factors I have no control over certain factors that greatly influence my figures in my job

Is it fair NO! Do I just get on with it? YES do I strike ? NO

So the ONLY difference between you and me is that I have chosen not to accept unfairness and strike.
As far as PRP in Education I really can't say anymore other than you would have to see how they are doing it and be a teacher to fully understand the objections towards it. Teaching and learning is so complex that you cannot set a target on which to base success or failure of performance. Education is a team effort within a school and individuals cannot be judged fairly.

Didn't you say earlier that you do the job for the kids?

Don't you see striking today is the complete opposite of that?

Another difference is the union won't back us like your union does if I strike I won't be around long! Private sector companies won't put up with it

Unfortunately that went out when Maggie destroyed the steel and coal industries in the 1980's
They had great unions who stuck together it's just not like that in the sector anymore

I'm striking today FOR the kids.
I see day in day out the slow destruction of education.
Teachers see the problems and want to fix them but are tied down by paper work and political meddling.
The more Gove attacks teachers the unhappier teachers become.
Changes are constantly made by politicians who don't understand teaching and learning. They only understand data and they read that wrong too!
Even if I jumped through hoops and did 100% of what the government wanted I KNOW the children wouldn't be getting a good education. That's why I say I strike for the kids.
And please can we stop trying to devalue Public sector unions just because Private sector ones are letting you down?

I wasn't devaluing yor union I actually said your lucky u have a strong union!

The government shafts everyone I think that's one thing everyone can agree on

Substantial pay rises for them and a measly £500 more tax free for the averaging working joe meanings we're £100 better off in our pockets at the end of the year factor in inflation and we ain't

The government is out of touch with reality and always will be

It was stated today that since the teachers pension scheme began £84 billion MORE had been paid IN than paid OUT.
Where is the actual evidence that the pension scheme was unsustainable?
But beyond that- apart from pensions and pay has anyone got anything constructive or educated to say about my main reasons for striking as noted earlier in the thread?
Has anyone else named another job where your pay is directly reliant upon the performance of a child?
Does any have any knowledge of the grey areas which make PRP unmanageable and ineffective in education?
Does anyone have any idea at all about being a teacher- not knowing one- being one?
Because I really can't see how you can sit back and spout nonsense unless you have experienced it first hand.

Performance related pay is crap, most businesses use it

You say your pay is based on a child well that's not true is it, it's about your ability to influence these children to achieve by err results is it not? If you can influence these children well enough then surely you can improve their results!

Although you are correct in saying that other factors will influence your ability to improve results like home life etc that you have no control over! So take a sales job for exmaple

My performance based pay is upon sales, I can't directly influence how someone spends there money and for many years I've argued that sales isn't a fair performance indicator, partly cos we are still in recession where money is tight and other factors for example sales prices etc can affect sales yet it's one of my targets that's life
I've argued that bottom line profit in my business should by my performance related pay review buts it's not I have five factors I'm marked a may not hit any but I might still make bottom line profit that doesn't matter to my boss even if I've gone up 10% on last years bottom line profit

I have no effect on group marketing or product pricing strategy I'm just expected to deliver increased turnover lower labour less leakage less expenses in order to achieve maximum bottom line turnover

I've achieved higher bottom line turnover year on year for 8 years now yet I've never recieved a bonus or pay review as I haven't hit all of the other KPI's I've mentioned due to IMO unrealistic budgets on the businesses behalf a bit like your child scenario really isn't it you have no control over certain factors I have no control over certain factors that greatly influence my figures in my job

Is it fair NO! Do I just get on with it? YES do I strike ? NO

So the ONLY difference between you and me is that I have chosen not to accept unfairness and strike.
As far as PRP in Education I really can't say anymore other than you would have to see how they are doing it and be a teacher to fully understand the objections towards it. Teaching and learning is so complex that you cannot set a target on which to base success or failure of performance. Education is a team effort within a school and individuals cannot be judged fairly.

Didn't you say earlier that you do the job for the kids?

Don't you see striking today is the complete opposite of that?

Another difference is the union won't back us like your union does if I strike I won't be around long! Private sector companies won't put up with it

Unfortunately that went out when Maggie destroyed the steel and coal industries in the 1980's
They had great unions who stuck together it's just not like that in the sector anymore

I'm striking today FOR the kids.
I see day in day out the slow destruction of education.
Teachers see the problems and want to fix them but are tied down by paper work and political meddling.
The more Gove attacks teachers the unhappier teachers become.
Changes are constantly made by politicians who don't understand teaching and learning. They only understand data and they read that wrong too!
Even if I jumped through hoops and did 100% of what the government wanted I KNOW the children wouldn't be getting a good education. That's why I say I strike for the kids.
And please can we stop trying to devalue Public sector unions just because Private sector ones are letting you down?

I wasn't devaluing yor union I actually said your lucky u have a strong union!

The government shafts everyone I think that's one thing everyone can agree on

Substantial pay rises for them and a measly £500 more tax free for the averaging working joe meanings we're £100 better off in our pockets at the end of the year factor in inflation and we ain't

The government is out of touch with reality and always will be

Apologies for misreading your stance.
The government is awful they are cretins.
I rest easy with my decision to strike because I know that one day will not make or break my children. Education starts at 1 day old and never ends. As I've noted before, anything I would have done today will simply be done tomorrow.

Gotta laugh at the people whining about having to take a day off due to the teachers strike. They're your kids, it's called 'parenting' you f@ckwits.

The irony is the whiners are usually right wing knobbers who espouse family values.

Strike day has been good to me as the missus treated me to the pub. Iechyd daily.

7 hours a day and 13 weeks holiday.......wake up please and look around at others.....i have a duty to make sure my children go to school...i think teachers have to set an example

What a load of bollocks my wife is a teacher where did you get 7hrs a day from, get your facts right first

i understand,but so do most other people,i havnt had a wage rise in 5 years,i get no sick pay no pension and i have a stressful job.....so lets be honest here...not a bad job is it....so now whose talking bollocks

Are you aware of the full reasons behind the strike and the impact that those changes could have on teachers. If you are and you original post is your honest oppionion then by all means ntitled to it, if not have a look on here as to the reasons behind today's strike.

http://www.teachers.org.uk

So performance related pay and working until 68 are the real reasons. Wow welcome to the real world. If a cleaner/dinner lady/bin man/ highways worker/school admin staff/park keeper/ leisure centre worker/ libarian etc etc all have to work to 68 why not a teacher. And any teacher that believes performance related pay is a bad thing can only be regarded as a bad teacher as ALL decent teachers will reach all targets no question. As for over worked again find me somebody who isnt. But give me 13 weeks a year off im sure it would help to recharge my battery.

There is a lot more involved than that, do you think that in the 13 weeks off that they don't do anything school related , If you were told that you had to work longer for less money would you just bend over and take it but there are a lot more reasons as to why they are striking

we have had to bend over,whats the difference...il have to work for the rest of my life....i have to except it...my pay is performance related....and gert absolutely f**k all for sickness or holidays...

Are you aware of the full reasons behind the strike and the impact that those changes could have on teachers. If you are and you original post is your honest oppionion then by all means ntitled to it, if not have a look on here as to the reasons behind today's strike.

http://www.teachers.org.uk

So performance related pay and working until 68 are the real reasons. Wow welcome to the real world. If a cleaner/dinner lady/bin man/ highways worker/school admin staff/park keeper/ leisure centre worker/ libarian etc etc all have to work to 68 why not a teacher. And any teacher that believes performance related pay is a bad thing can only be regarded as a bad teacher as ALL decent teachers will reach all targets no question. As for over worked again find me somebody who isnt. But give me 13 weeks a year off im sure it would help to recharge my battery.

There is a lot more involved than that, do you think that in the 13 weeks off that they don't do anything school related , If you were told that you had to work longer for less money would you just bend over and take it but there are a lot more reasons as to why they are striking

we have had to bend over,whats the difference...il have to work for the rest of my life....i have to except it...my pay is performance related....and gert absolutely f**k all for sickness or holidays...

I can see what your problem is with teachers. You're English teacher taught you zip as your grammar and spelling is pi.ss poor.

No wonder your employment conditions are shi.te?

Are you aware of the full reasons behind the strike and the impact that those changes could have on teachers. If you are and you original post is your honest oppionion then by all means ntitled to it, if not have a look on here as to the reasons behind today's strike.

http://www.teachers.org.uk

So performance related pay and working until 68 are the real reasons. Wow welcome to the real world. If a cleaner/dinner lady/bin man/ highways worker/school admin staff/park keeper/ leisure centre worker/ libarian etc etc all have to work to 68 why not a teacher. And any teacher that believes performance related pay is a bad thing can only be regarded as a bad teacher as ALL decent teachers will reach all targets no question. As for over worked again find me somebody who isnt. But give me 13 weeks a year off im sure it would help to recharge my battery.

There is a lot more involved than that, do you think that in the 13 weeks off that they don't do anything school related , If you were told that you had to work longer for less money would you just bend over and take it but there are a lot more reasons as to why they are striking

we have had to bend over,whats the difference...il have to work for the rest of my life....i have to except it...my pay is performance related....and gert absolutely f**k all for sickness or holidays...

Did you really have no other choice but to bend over. And if you did that certainly isn't any teacher's fault. We may have it better than you but that doesn't mean we can't fight for better. I would support you in a fight against the Man. We deserve the same support.

Are you aware of the full reasons behind the strike and the impact that those changes could have on teachers. If you are and you original post is your honest oppionion then by all means ntitled to it, if not have a look on here as to the reasons behind today's strike.

http://www.teachers.org.uk

So performance related pay and working until 68 are the real reasons. Wow welcome to the real world. If a cleaner/dinner lady/bin man/ highways worker/school admin staff/park keeper/ leisure centre worker/ libarian etc etc all have to work to 68 why not a teacher. And any teacher that believes performance related pay is a bad thing can only be regarded as a bad teacher as ALL decent teachers will reach all targets no question. As for over worked again find me somebody who isnt. But give me 13 weeks a year off im sure it would help to recharge my battery.

There is a lot more involved than that, do you think that in the 13 weeks off that they don't do anything school related , If you were told that you had to work longer for less money would you just bend over and take it but there are a lot more reasons as to why they are striking

we have had to bend over,whats the difference...il have to work for the rest of my life....i have to except it...my pay is performance related....and gert absolutely f**k all for sickness or holidays...

Did you really have no other choice but to bend over. And if you did that certainly isn't any teacher's fault. We may have it better than you but that doesn't mean we can't fight for better. I would support you in a fight against the Man. We deserve the same support.

yes....my trade has been desimated by self employment(agencies taking money out of my pocket),weak unions and foreign labour that have driven my hourly rate into the floor....so yes i agree about support,but i bety you havnt really given a second thought to anyone else on strike...have you

7 hours a day and 13 weeks holiday.......wake up please and look around at others.....i have a duty to make sure my children go to school...i think teachers have to set an example

What a load of bollocks my wife is a teacher where did you get 7hrs a day from, get your facts right first

i understand,but so do most other people,i havnt had a wage rise in 5 years,i get no sick pay no pension and i have a stressful job.....so lets be honest here...not a bad job is it....so now whose talking bollocks

Have a check when teachers last had a pay rise so you are still talking Bollocks

Whenever I hear of train drivers or firemen or tube workers on strike I fully support them if that's what you mean.

I do. Laws said as much.
Until I have proof that they HAVE I will take the stance of trusting my Union more than some devious self-serving MP.
It sickens me every time I see a Lib Dem MP talking Tory rhetoric. To think I voted for those back stabbers.

Unions leaders are even worse liars than politicans in my opinion and they see people like you as lemmings fighting their battles!!!

The unions have done more for the working man than any government has ever done

I dont understand why no one has faith in a union - when it comes down to it they will fight you're corner

Tell that to the people who worked in Grangemouth petrochemical plant. I have attended many meetings with Unionheads and believe me what they say in the meetings is completely different to what they say to their members. Also the amount of times the Union reps would fail to turn up to pre-arranged meetings with the council was running in 100+ over the 4 years I was there.

I fully support any teacher on strike today, good luck to you, hope it has the desired affect.

God there are some moronic f#ckwits on here!

Let's all attack the people who are earning around the national average wage but don't worry about the £120billion lost every year in tax evasion.

I know, even better... Let's pay Alan Sugar and Richard Branson a fortune to sort Britain out... Yay, let's make the already filthy rich even richer!

The mentality of some people is unbelievable!

I fully support any teacher on strike today, good luck to you, hope it has the desired affect.

Or is it effect, can any teacher on here tell me, come on, get back to educating people

I fully support any teacher on strike today, good luck to you, hope it has the desired affect.

Or is it effect, can any teacher on here tell me, come on, get back to educating people

When Should You Use Affect?
Affect with an a means "to influence," as in, "The arrows affected Aardvark," or "The rain affected Amy's hairdo." Affect can also mean, roughly, "to act in a way that you don't feel," as in, "She affected an air of superiority."
When Should You Use Effect?
Effect with an e has a lot of subtle meanings as a noun, but to me the meaning "a result" seems to be at the core of all the definitions. For example, you can say, "The effect was eye-popping," or "The sound effects were amazing," or "The rain had no effect on Amy's hairdo." - See more at: http://www.quickanddirtytips.com/educat ... bji9X.dpuf

So it should have been effect.

and what about chufin inset days..................

7 hours a day and 13 weeks holiday.......wake up please and look around at others.....i have a duty to make sure my children go to school...i think teachers have to set an example

What a load of bollocks my wife is a teacher where did you get 7hrs a day from, get your facts right first

i understand,but so do most other people,i havnt had a wage rise in 5 years,i get no sick pay no pension and i have a stressful job.....so lets be honest here...not a bad job is it....so now whose talking bollocks

But you chose that job so you knew what to expect

7 hours a day and 13 weeks holiday.......wake up please and look around at others.....i have a duty to make sure my children go to school...i think teachers have to set an example

What a load of bollocks my wife is a teacher where did you get 7hrs a day from, get your facts right first

i understand,but so do most other people,i havnt had a wage rise in 5 years,i get no sick pay no pension and i have a stressful job.....so lets be honest here...not a bad job is it....so now whose talking bollocks

But you chose that job so you knew what to expect

Teaching is an awful job - I would never do it and i have massive respect for those who do

7 hours a day and 13 weeks holiday.......wake up please and look around at others.....i have a duty to make sure my children go to school...i think teachers have to set an example

What a load of bollocks my wife is a teacher where did you get 7hrs a day from, get your facts right first

i understand,but so do most other people,i havnt had a wage rise in 5 years,i get no sick pay no pension and i have a stressful job.....so lets be honest here...not a bad job is it....so now whose talking bollocks

But you chose that job so you knew what to expect

Teaching is an awful job - I would never do it and i have massive respect for those who do

Me too I wouldn't have the patience to work with kids day in day out and not be able to discipline them . It's a good thing not everyone's the same and we hopefully do the jobs were suited to

Maybe people would have more sympathy if our schools werent performing so poorly in comparison to other countries.
On the subject of prp head teachers are already subjected to it under existing performance management conditions and it seems to be a very positive exercise. It gives clear focus to areas of improvement and plenty of support to enable that improvement. The governing body and education authority want to see the improvements made rewarded in many ways including financially. My understanding is that teachers will work to similar guidelines and methods.

Somebody said teachers havent had a pay rise for years which unless they have reached the top of their threshold clearly isn't true , where as many people really haven't had a pay rise for years.

One of my best mate (also an avid Cardiff fan) is a PE teacher.

What use is he gonna be to the kids he teaches if he's expected to teach football, rugby, gymnastics etc until he's 68?

There are some things that need addressing but to carte blanche state that everyone should work til 68 is unsustainable.

FFS get real

Same old NUT Union mentality of bulling members to go on strike according to ANOTHER teachers union NASUWT!!! FFS You couldn't make it up in this day and age!!! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/ed ... union.html