Bubbles bursting...complete domination

I've not waivered from my opinion. What is your opinion and how many times has it changed today?

yes you have by the very fact you now see it worthy of debate. As i said if it wasnt worthy enough for you yesterday then it aint worthy enough today. In a debate with me you must nail your colours to the mast as I wont allow you to have it both ways. If it wasnt worthy of discussion a game ago, then it aint now

Here's some of your quotes to help you

"When comparing managers in the Premier League then you compare everything you have to go on. When comparing every match every Prem Swans manager has been in charge of - Garry Monk has the highest points oer game ratio"

"Whether it interests you isnt really the point. You can compare anything to anything, the more whole the comparison the more accurate it becomes"

Do you stand by your assertions above?

i know exactly what i said carps

do you stand by those assertions being nonsense and pointless?

Ahem,exuse me butting in.you never answered me roath,regards what in the way of RESULTS had your scintallating total dominance football got you? And the reply of,it got you the lead at fecking half time is laughable,lets call the f.a. Swansea were pointless after dominating the first half and scoring!! f*cking cheeky west brom only scored more than them,why should they have all the points on offer! Mental you are kid.

Hi "kid".

I did answer you. I said scintillating and dominating football gets you the winning position more often than not which has been the case every time we have displayed it

Where did I say we deserved to beat WBA then? We absolutely dominated them in the first half hence why we were winning, same with palace. We now need to either defend better or keep it up in the second half. Simple as that. No difficult.

Off out for a meal now - let's hope gorging on all that cake on roathies watch hasn't ruined my appetite

Off out for a meal now - let's hope gorging on all that cake on roathies watch hasn't ruined my appetite

Just checked, the cake is still in one piece.

Its probably the humble pie you were tucking into, similar, just more fun to watch

Off out for a meal now - let's hope gorging on all that cake on roathies watch hasn't ruined my appetite

Just checked, the cake is still in one piece.

Its probably the humble pie you were tucking into, similar, just more fun to watch

Dream on, you've been on the ropes for days and keep trying to get off them leading with your chin.

Funny how you kept arguing after I'd dismissed your stats but since the WBA game you've some kind of moral issue with my questions. It's almost like it no longer suits your agenda.
So how do you want to compare monks record with other managers?

I can't face anymore cake for dessert.

I'll look forward to your next evasion

Off out for a meal now - let's hope gorging on all that cake on roathies watch hasn't ruined my appetite

Just checked, the cake is still in one piece.

Its probably the humble pie you were tucking into, similar, just more fun to watch

Dream on, you've been on the ropes for days and keep trying to get off them leading with your chin.

Funny how you kept arguing after I'd dismissed your stats but since the WBA game you've some kind of moral issue with my questions. It's almost like it no longer suits your agenda.
So how do you want to compare monks record with other managers?

I can't face anymore cake for dessert.

I'll look forward to your next evasion

Quick lunch that was? Maybe that humble pie was stuck in your throat?

Straight as a die me Carps. If you didnt say it was pointless yesterday then you would have a nice little conversation going on here today, your dismissive bias has bit you on the bum here as you have decided you now wish to discuss it as it appeals to your biased nature.

As i said, not on my watch

Monk has the best points per game ratio than any other Swansea Premier League manager.

Its like saying Messi is good so Welbeck must be too.

They are completely different people.

It's not quite like your analogy(at all)
Monk is clearly tring too hard to be a Gaffer in the same way Sherwood is, although now Sherwood, in his desperation for kudos in absence of results on the pitch, is apeing the rituals of a game street fighter, tearing his clothes off in the technical area. Like Monk They are both afflicted by the same problem, transforming themselves from skinny, average players, into charasmatic intellectual leader's of men. Monk's one glimmer of light, he lives in a town populated largely by dregs of society who wouldn't really know an intellectual leader of men in identity parade with 10 joey essex's, SO MAYBE, MAYBE, If Gary Monk keeps gelling his quiff like a trendy 15 year old, stays fully clothed in the technical area, he might just convince the owner he's an intellectual leader of men for next season, where he will drag you down to your natural level. fingers crossed.

Monk has the best points per game ratio than any other Swansea Premier League manager.

Its like saying Messi is good so Welbeck must be too.

They are completely different people.

It's not quite like your analogy(at all)
Monk is clearly tring too hard to be a Gaffer in the same way Sherwood is, although now Sherwood, in his desperation for kudos in absence of results on the pitch, is apeing the rituals of a game street fighter, tearing his clothes off in the technical area. Like Monk They are both afflicted by the same problem, transforming themselves from skinny, average players, into charasmatic intellectual leader's of men. Monk's one glimmer of light, he lives in a town populated largely by dregs of society who wouldn't really know an intellectual leader of men in identity parade with 10 joey essex's, SO MAYBE, MAYBE, If Gary Monk keeps gelling his quiff like a trendy 15 year old, stays fully clothed in the technical area, he might just convince the owner he's an intellectual leader of men for next season, where he will drag you down to your natural level. fingers crossed.

Yes it is. They are completely different people at completely different clubs with a completely different outlook on the game.

To suggest someone may fail because a completely different person failed at another completely different position is lunacy.

Monk has the best points per game ratio than any other Swansea Premier League manager.

Its like saying Messi is good so Welbeck must be too.

They are completely different people.

It's not quite like your analogy(at all)
Monk is clearly tring too hard to be a Gaffer in the same way Sherwood is, although now Sherwood, in his desperation for kudos in absence of results on the pitch, is apeing the rituals of a game street fighter, tearing his clothes off in the technical area. Like Monk They are both afflicted by the same problem, transforming themselves from skinny, average players, into charasmatic intellectual leader's of men. Monk's one glimmer of light, he lives in a town populated largely by dregs of society who wouldn't really know an intellectual leader of men in identity parade with 10 joey essex's, SO MAYBE, MAYBE, If Gary Monk keeps gelling his quiff like a trendy 15 year old, stays fully clothed in the technical area, he might just convince the owner he's an intellectual leader of men for next season, where he will drag you down to your natural level. fingers crossed.

Yes it is. They are completely different people at completely different clubs with a completely different outlook on the game.

To suggest someone may fail because a completely different person failed at another completely different position is lunacy.

They are similar age, similar people from a similar part of the world with an absolute desperation for the respect from players who they were lackies for only a short time ago.

So anyone that is english and in their 30's will fail at management

So anyone that is english and in their 30's will fail at management

Statistics say that it is more likely than not


The Messi / Wellbeck analogy was bizare, clear as mud even.

Yeah ok then

Yeah ok then

How many players become glittering sucessful careers as manager from the very same dressimng room, with the very same players they played with months earlier?

Sherwood and Monk are in a very similar predicament

Over too you

Yeah ok then

How many players become glittering sucessful careers as manager from the very same dressimng room, with the very same players they played with months earlier?

Sherwood and Monk are in a very similar predicament

Over too you

Kenny Dalglish

Yeah ok then

How many players become glittering sucessful careers as manager from the very same dressimng room, with the very same players they played with months earlier?

Over too you

Well there arent many examples of managers rising through the ranks as a player into management of that same team. Its like asking me name a blond, black player from welsh dissent that has gne on to have a glittering career when dismissing little blond haired, black skined ivor davies from treharris - and for thise very reasons too. Silly really.

Off the top of my head Roberto Martinez left us as a player in 2006 and inherited pretty much the same squad as he played with a year later after 30 odd games for Chester City. Kenny Dalglish is also an obvious one.

Yeah ok then

How many players become glittering sucessful careers as manager from the very same dressimng room, with the very same players they played with months earlier?

Over too you

Well there arent many examples of managers rising through the ranks as a player into management. Its like asking me name a blond, black player from welsh dissent that has gne on to have a glittering career when dismissing little blond haired, black skined ivor davies from treharris - and for thise very reasons too. Silly really.

Off the top of my head Roberto Martinez left us as a player in 2006 and inherited pretty much the same squad as he played with a year later after 30 odd games for Chester City. Kenny Dalglish is also an obvious one.

Nearly ALL managers rise through the ranks from players , just NOT from the exact same dressing room, with the exact same players withouit first cutting their teeth as a manager elsewhere. That includes your own example of Martinez.
It will be a disater for Monk, that's not comming from a rival, that's the statistics. And correct me if i am wrong, Martinez did not return with a seemingly, desperate need to exert himself as 'gaffer', using every opputrtunity to emphisise his 'gafferness' in the way of Monk/Sherwood. you really are stupid at times.

Yeah ok then

How many players become glittering sucessful careers as manager from the very same dressimng room, with the very same players they played with months earlier?

Sherwood and Monk are in a very similar predicament

Over too you

Kenny Dalglish

It is argued that Dalglish inherited a greatside, as a great player/manager, who still weighed in with performances on the pitch. then slowly managed a great side into a decline requiring 15 years to recover from.

Gary Monk may be ginger, but he is not Kenny Dalglish.

Yeah ok then

How many players become glittering sucessful careers as manager from the very same dressimng room, with the very same players they played with months earlier?

Over too you

Well there arent many examples of managers rising through the ranks as a player into management. Its like asking me name a blond, black player from welsh dissent that has gne on to have a glittering career when dismissing little blond haired, black skined ivor davies from treharris - and for thise very reasons too. Silly really.

Off the top of my head Roberto Martinez left us as a player in 2006 and inherited pretty much the same squad as he played with a year later after 30 odd games for Chester City. Kenny Dalglish is also an obvious one.

Nearly ALL managers rise through the ranks from players , just NOT from the exact same dressing room, with the exact same players withouit first cutting their teeth as a manager elsewhere.

who has said different then?

You asked me for examples of managers that have had success from managing their own players they played with at the same club and i gave you examples. It doesnt happen often so there arent many examples of failed ones either.

That includes your own example of Martinez.
It will be a disater for Monk, that's not comming from a rival, that's the statistics. And correct me if i am wrong, Martinez did not return with a seemingly, desperate need to exert himself as 'gaffer', using every opputrtunity to emphisise his 'gafferness' in the way of Monk/Sherwood. you really are stupid at times.


i have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Ill assume you have consumed some illicit substances and will sleep it off and all will be well again tomorrow.

It is argued that Dalglish inherited a greatside, as a great player/manager, who still weighed in with performances on the pitch. then slowly managed a great side into a decline requiring 15 years to recover from.

Gary Monk may be ginger, but he is not Kenny Dalglish.

So you ask for examples and then dont want to hear them. Great

How about this? You think hes rubbish.... The stats say he is on course to keep us up comfortably.

We will let time tell

It is argued that Dalglish inherited a greatside, as a great player/manager, who still weighed in with performances on the pitch. then slowly managed a great side into a decline requiring 15 years to recover from.

Gary Monk may be ginger, but he is not Kenny Dalglish.

So you ask for examples and then dont want to hear them. Great

How about this? You think hes rubbish.... The stats say he is on course to keep us up comfortably.

We will let time tell

Monk's situation is nothing like Tim Sherwood yet a Kenny Dalglish comparison is perfectly plausible
cemmenting your place are forum fruitcake AGAIN

I'm saying this for your educational benefit roathie, Dalglish was a truly great player, inheriting a side habitually winning titles.

It is argued that Dalglish inherited a greatside, as a great player/manager, who still weighed in with performances on the pitch. then slowly managed a great side into a decline requiring 15 years to recover from.

Gary Monk may be ginger, but he is not Kenny Dalglish.

So you ask for examples and then dont want to hear them. Great

How about this? You think hes rubbish.... The stats say he is on course to keep us up comfortably.

We will let time tell

Monk's situation is nothing like Tim Sherwood yet a Kenny Dalglish comparison is perfectly plausible
cemmenting your place are forum fruitcake AGAIN

I'm saying this for your educational benefit roathie, Dalglish was a truly great player, inheriting a side habitually winning titles.

Where have i compared him to Kenny Dalglish then? You asked me for a manager who managed the players he played with, i gave you the examples of Martinez and Dalglish. If you didnt want answers then why ask the question

Jesus christ this forum is bananas today

It is argued that Dalglish inherited a greatside, as a great player/manager, who still weighed in with performances on the pitch. then slowly managed a great side into a decline requiring 15 years to recover from.

Gary Monk may be ginger, but he is not Kenny Dalglish.

So you ask for examples and then dont want to hear them. Great

How about this? You think hes rubbish.... The stats say he is on course to keep us up comfortably.

We will let time tell

Monk's situation is nothing like Tim Sherwood yet a Kenny Dalglish comparison is perfectly plausible
cemmenting your place are forum fruitcake AGAIN

I'm saying this for your educational benefit roathie, Dalglish was a truly great player, inheriting a side habitually winning titles.

Where have i compared him to Kenny Dalglish then? You asked me for a manager who managed the players he played with, i gave you the examples of Martinez and Dalglish. If you didnt want answers then why ask the question

Jesus christ this forum is bananas today

Where did you give the example of Dalglish? Unless you are CraigCCFC. Are losing 'who is who' in your desperation to be right everytime. Or would you rather be Anyone but yourself as this thread becomes another carcrash for you?

So here we go roathie, I'll explain it carefully, I responded constructively to Craig's name of 'Kenny Dalglish' , you then complained that i was given an example and that i didn't want to hear it. ignoring the fact that a Monk/Dalglish comparison was absolute batshit. infact suggesting the contrary, Dalglish/comparison was plausible and my real reason for dismissing it was rivalry.
Do you think it is fair to compare Monk with Dalglish and not Sherwood, yes or no?

Where did you give the example of Dalglish? Unless you are CraigCCFC. Are losing 'who is who' in your desperation to be right everytime. Or would you rather be Anyone but yourself as this thread becomes another carcrash for you?

This thread gets stranger by the minute

Off the top of my head Roberto Martinez left us as a player in 2006 and inherited pretty much the same squad as he played with a year later after 30 odd games for Chester City. Kenny Dalglish is also an obvious one.

So here we go roathie, I'll explain it carefully, I responded constructively to Craig's name of 'Kenny Dalglish' , you then complained that i was given an example and that i didn't want to hear it. ignoring the fact that a Monk/Dalglish comparison was absolute batshit. infact suggesting the contrary, Dalglish/comparison was plausible and my real reason for dismissing it was rivalry.

you didnt ask for a comparison, you asked for a manager who played for a side then went on to manage it with the same players he played with. Cant work out if you are drunk, stupid or both.


Do you think it is fair to compare Monk with Dalglish and not Sherwood, yes or no?

i dont think its fair to compare Monk with anyone. You are the only one who is going in about comparing... Well you and the OP that is

Where did you give the example of Dalglish? Unless you are CraigCCFC. Are losing 'who is who' in your desperation to be right everytime. Or would you rather be Anyone but yourself as this thread becomes another carcrash for you?

This thread gets stranger by the minute

Off the top of my head Roberto Martinez left us as a player in 2006 and inherited pretty much the same squad as he played with a year later after 30 odd games for Chester City. Kenny Dalglish is also an obvious one.

So here we go roathie, I'll explain it carefully, I responded constructively to Craig's name of 'Kenny Dalglish' , you then complained that i was given an example and that i didn't want to hear it. ignoring the fact that a Monk/Dalglish comparison was absolute batshit. infact suggesting the contrary, Dalglish/comparison was plausible and my real reason for dismissing it was rivalry.

you didnt ask for a comparison, you asked for a manager who played for a side then went on to manage it with the same players he played with. Cant work out if you are drunk, stupid or both.


Do you think it is fair to compare Monk with Dalglish and not Sherwood, yes or no?

i dont think its fair to compare Monk with anyone. You are the only one who is going in about comparing... Well you and the OP that is

Dismissing Sherwood for a more fitting comparison to Dalglish is the nuttiest thing you have done.

And telling me im making a comparison when I clearly havent is the nuttiest thing you have ever done. Well... That and also telling me I didnt answer your question with Kenny Dalglish when I did.

Odd thread by you all round really

I haven't dismissed any points, so maybe you can answer me?

Here Roathie, you've gone from saying:

"When comparing managers in the Premier League then you compare everything you have to go on. When comparing every match every Prem Swans manager has been in charge of - Garry Monk has the highest points oer game ratio"

"Whether it interests you isnt really the point. You can compare anything to anything, the more whole the comparison the more accurate it becomes"

To comparing Monk with Laudrup over certain games, which completely contradicts your quotes above.

Is it all because you are twisting stats to try and make Monk look better than he is, which is how I see it?

If not, why have you drastically changed the way you are analysing Monk?

I haven't dismissed any points, so maybe you can answer me?

Here Roathie, you've gone from saying:

"When comparing managers in the Premier League then you compare everything you have to go on. When comparing every match every Prem Swans manager has been in charge of - Garry Monk has the highest points oer game ratio"

"Whether it interests you isnt really the point. You can compare anything to anything, the more whole the comparison the more accurate it becomes"

To comparing Monk with Laudrup over certain games, which completely contradicts your quotes above.

Is it all because you are twisting stats to try and make Monk look better than he is, which is how I see it?

If not, why have you drastically changed the way you are analysing Monk?

You seem to be suffering the same ailment as Polo here. Ive not once said you cannot judge him on both their tenures. Not once im not sure why you guys are saying otherwise.

As for this season to compare every single match Monk managed this season and every single match Laudrup managed this season is also a fair comparison. I see this season as a whole also.

When co oaring my businesses I can give you my total 6 year profit and compare it to my other companies 3 year profit (complete history) and I can also compare their yearly yields against eachother for another valid comparison. But to compare one companies 4 weeks profits to the other companies 4 weeks profit the year previous seems to be as futile as it gets.

Cant really explain it any better than that.

All we can agree on is that at his current 5 points from 5 games ratio, we will be staying up confortably if he can kee that up and thats all that matters

I haven't dismissed any points, so maybe you can answer me?

Here Roathie, you've gone from saying:

"When comparing managers in the Premier League then you compare everything you have to go on. When comparing every match every Prem Swans manager has been in charge of - Garry Monk has the highest points oer game ratio"

"Whether it interests you isnt really the point. You can compare anything to anything, the more whole the comparison the more accurate it becomes"

To comparing Monk with Laudrup over certain games, which completely contradicts your quotes above.

Is it all because you are twisting stats to try and make Monk look better than he is, which is how I see it?

If not, why have you drastically changed the way you are analysing Monk?

You seem to be suffering the same ailment as Polo here. Ive not once said you cannot judge him on both their tenures. Not once im not sure why you guys are saying otherwise.

As for this season to compare every single match Monk managed this season and every single match Laudrup managed this season is also a fair comparison. I see this season as a whole also.

When co oaring my businesses I can give you my total 6 year profit and compare it to my other companies 3 year profit (complete history) and I can also compare their yearly yields against eachother for another valid comparison. But to compare one companies 4 weeks profits to the other companies 4 weeks profit the year previous seems to be as futile as it gets.

Cant really explain it any better than that.

All we can agree on is that at his current 5 points from 5 games ratio, we will be staying up confortably if he can kee that up and thats all that matters

So it wasn't a fair comparison to make between all monks games and all of Laudrups games inc last season?

Who said that then?

That was covered in "(complete history)" was it not?

Initially I made the points that :
1/imo Mr Monk would not be a success in the medium to longer term and there were parallels with the travails of Tim Sherwood. I gave several reasons for this view and suggested that within a year he will be gone.roathie you are now embroiled in a futile attempt to prove whether he is or is not a successful manager after only a handful of games. He is neither good nor bad yet - its too early to judge!
2/You are in a relegation fight but I felt that would probably be OK.
Mr Monk now agrees and says you are in a relegation fight Planet Swans nearly all say you are in a dogfight and now the full back Ben Davies says it. But Roathie you appear to be only one who knows the truth that you are in no trouble and are playing completely dominant football!!
In the meantime I can hear a faint "pop" "pop" "pop" "pop" sound. What can it be? ?
Oh of course its the sound of Swansea bubbles bursting...... I wonder if in the next few weeks there will be big rumours about disunity and arguements among the players?.