Rumour getting stronger regarding Malky/Cornelius/Tan

I read very carefully what you said, you asked the question" why would anybody provide a bung for Malky?"

so you realise it was a question and not a statement that it doesnt happen then?

History has shown quite categorically that purchasing a mangers are a target for agents in order to move their players on in lucrative deals where their signed players have fees attached that are not commensurate with their true worth.

No, history shows George Graham was a target for agents to take advantage of his key role in contract negotiations, something that was widespread at the time.

How do you know what role Malky had in Cardiff's purchases this summer? You are once again talking without any real knowledge of the situation but making suppositions, you try to add gravitas to these "guesses" but "guesses they remain.
Do you have any evidence as to the extent of Malky's role in transfer deals this summer?

yes i do, i have many contacts in welsh football and I know for a fact that Malky Mackay did not negotiate the contracts or indeed the fee to the clubs, which is why my question was posed

Stick to being patronising and condescending, you have a little ability in this area but it does get tedious!

I have the luxury of being all of the above while still being correct Mart

Roathie, Malky and Moody had free reign over funds.They were trusted completely to negotiate however they wanted. Again I reiterate neither were involved in any bungs.

Roathie, Malky and Moody had free reign over funds.They were trusted completely to negotiate however they wanted. Again I reiterate neither were involved in any bungs.

That isn't true, I can assure you. Malky had no part in the negotiating of contracts or fees. Malky and Moodie identified the targets and Moodie negotiated the contracts. Its the way it happened. So any question of bung taking to malky is futile.

I think the fact that I finished my quote with a question mark is an indication of my understanding of what a question is.
So you have inside knowledge of Cardiff City's transfer dealings this summer? What is your source? Put up or shut up!
I didn't realise you are a fantastist!

I think the fact that I finished my quote with a question mark is an indication of my understanding of what a question is.
So you have inside knowledge of Cardiff City's transfer dealings this summer? What is your source? Put up or shut up!
I didn't realise you are a fantastist!

Then if you understood your initial contribution is even more curious,

Yes I do indeed, i have many sources which obviously I wouldn't jeopardise on a medium such as this. Really want to go down the fantasist route again, you were made to look quite silly the last time you did that which culminated in your banning after the anger is created within yourself

I do have sources but I won't compromise them!
Yet you claim to have inside knowledge but refuse to state any evidence to support the statements you have made! Not the way to debate is it! Fantasist and discredited!
Roathie the investigative journalist you couldn't make it up

Roathie, Malky and Moody had free reign over funds.They were trusted completely to negotiate however they wanted. Again I reiterate neither were involved in any bungs.

That isn't true, I can assure you. Malky had no part in the negotiating of contracts or fees. Malky and Moodie identified the targets and Moodie negotiated the contracts. Its the way it happened. So any question of bung taking to malky is futile.

See, no point in debating with you. You wont accept anything anybody tells you. You always think you know better. You seriously think Malky had no say on contracts when Moody was negotiating? Of course he did, if only to know how much of his budget he would be using, Malky would not have signed players without knowing the financial outlay.

I do have sources but I won't compromise them!

so you reckon i should just say their names on here then?

Yet you claim to have inside knowledge but refuse to state any evidence to support the statements you have made!

what evidence would you like Mart?

Not the way to debate is it! Fantasist and discredited!

absolutely not, it isnt a debate. Im telling you exactly how it is.

Roathie the investigative journalist you couldn't make it up

you just did

In fairness to Craig, having spoken with him privately, he does appear to have an ear to someone close to the club on this issue, so his posts here can be considered accurate.

Roathie, Malky and Moody had free reign over funds.They were trusted completely to negotiate however they wanted. Again I reiterate neither were involved in any bungs.

That isn't true, I can assure you. Malky had no part in the negotiating of contracts or fees. Malky and Moodie identified the targets and Moodie negotiated the contracts. Its the way it happened. So any question of bung taking to malky is futile.

See, no point in debating with you. You wont accept anything anybody tells you. You always think you know better. You seriously think Malky had no say on contracts when Moody was negotiating? Of course he did, if only to know how much of his budget he would be using, Malky would not have signed players without knowing the financial outlay.

I dont "think" I know better, I DO know better.

Malky had no say on contracts, that is a fact. Up to you if you believe it or not, no skin off my nose.

In fairness to Craig, having spoken with him privately, he does appear to have an ear to someone close to the club on this issue, so his posts here can be considered accurate.

Well they aren't on this occasion Chucks I can tell you categorically on that.

Who do you know who would have first hand knowledge of transfer dealing by Cardiff City this summer? Read the question carefully, first hand knowledge"
I await your answer, let's see how valid your sources are. Please don't say someone who posts on here, it would be embarrassing.

Who do you know who would have first hand knowledge of transfer dealing by Cardiff City this summer? Read the question carefully, first hand knowledge"
I await your answer, let's see how valid your sources are. Please don't say someone who posts on here, it would be embarrassing.

Which part of my last answer to the same question is confusing you?

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In fairness to Craig, having spoken with him privately, he does appear to have an ear to someone close to the club on this issue, so his posts here can be considered accurate.

Well they aren't on this occasion Chucks I can tell you categorically on that.

How so?

How so?

Because I have been told exactly how Cardiff's transfer policy worked.

So you don't have a source with first hand knowledge of Cardiff City's transfer dealings the! Fair enough talking through your anal sphincter again!

So you don't have a source with first hand knowledge,of Cardiff City's transfer dealings the! Fair enough talking through your anal sphincter again!

Are you lying again Martyn? Where exactly do you claim to have read that then?

But far be it for me to discourage you about talking about blokes anus' on a football forum

I asked the pertinent question, you refused to answer. It is not what you have been told that is of any consequence but who told you and what evidence did they have to support their statements. Did they have first hand knowledge of Cardiff City's transfer dealings this summer? Why would they have had first hand knowledge? What evidence do they have to suggest they did?
Not difficult questions but I bet you don't answer!

I asked the pertinent question, you refused to answer. It is not what you have been told that is of any consequence but who told you and what evidence did they have to support their statements. Did they have first hand knowledge of Cardiff City's transfer dealings this summer? Why would they have had first hand knowledge? What evidence do they have to suggest they did?
Not difficult questions but I bet you don't answer!

So if I ask the President of the United States to show me the countries secret documents and he refuses, does that mean they don't exist? If I ask you on here to post details on your bank account and you refuse, does that mean you don't have a bank?

You can ask the question all you wish Mart, but I wont be telling you. You can believe me or you can not believe me, no skin off my nose. However the last time you called me into question you ended up looking a bit of a wally didn't you

Glad to see you back, try and tone down your obsession and this time maybe you will last longer

When did I ask you to prove anything? Never have before!
So we as rational people are supposed to believe that a so called successful business man in Australia has stonewall evidence with regard to Cardiff City's transfer dealings from a source who had first hand knowledge of those transfer dealings about the role of all parties including Moody and Malky!

When did I ask you to prove anything? Never have before!
So we as rational people are supposed to believe that a so called successful business man in Australia has stonewall evidence with regard to Cardiff City's transfer dealings from a source who had first hand knowledge of those transfer dealings about the role of all parties including Moody and Malky!

course you haven't Mart, how bizarre

Anyway, you aren't "meant" to do anything, you can believe what you want as ive told you many a time in this thread. Makes no odds to me.

Im not entirely sure why where I reside matters

go away and think about it eh...........you really are slow you know..and youll read this and roll your eyes,
malky being called milky by the way suggests he likes to milk things.....duh

Something tells me you dont know what you are talking about

why would anyone want a bung.............you put a name in..but its same thing in all walks of life..

WHY.............that one word sums you up pal.......WHY.

you must live a very narrow life.........one of them people that keeps asking while watching a film, can you explain that......

must go,i have WORK to do........maybe even bungs to give....

try watching the film back to school, its a comedy not factual, but its also a sort of how bungs work for beginners lesson too.

Maybe bold may help...

MY QUESTION ISNT WHY HE WOULD LIKE ONE, MY QUESTION IS WHY SOMEONE WOULD WANT TO GIVE HIM ONE. THEY ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT QUESTIONS YET YOU KEEP INSISTING ON ANSWERING THE QUESTION IVE NOT EVER ASKED YOU

i think my deduction you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about is proven in that one poorly constructed passage you just wrote. You must have an IQ of a 9 year old

It's quite simple, the player is valued at £XXXX, however the selling team would like £YYYY, so Malky Agrees £XXXX amount with the player, gets the Value of £YYYY from tan and cops the inbetween...

Thank you for helping out our mutual friend who was clearly struggling with what was being asked of him

As for your explanation. Doesnt stack up for me. Again - Moodie, the man with the budget source of player? maybe. Malky, the manager who simply hands over his list of players? not for me. Makes no sense, hence my point.

But thats the point its a rumour nobody will ever know the truth!

Roathie, Malky and Moody had free reign over funds.They were trusted completely to negotiate however they wanted. Again I reiterate neither were involved in any bungs.

That isn't true, I can assure you. Malky had no part in the negotiating of contracts or fees. Malky and Moodie identified the targets and Moodie negotiated the contracts. Its the way it happened. So any question of bung taking to malky is futile.

See, no point in debating with you. You wont accept anything anybody tells you. You always think you know better. You seriously think Malky had no say on contracts when Moody was negotiating? Of course he did, if only to know how much of his budget he would be using, Malky would not have signed players without knowing the financial outlay.

I dont "think" I know better, I DO know better.

Malky had no say on contracts, that is a fact. Up to you if you believe it or not, no skin off my nose.

So whay you're saying is, the senior football manager had no idea how much of HIS budget was being spent on PLAYERS HE WANTED. Utter nonsense, of course he knew and he said himself he has final say on all transfers. Now, things have changed considerably since Moodygate but the manager still knows how much of his budget is being spent and if he thinks the player is worth it.

Out of interest Craig who would have had first hand knowledge of transfer deals at Cardiff City this summer ? Do you have any idea?

So whay you're saying is, the senior football manager had no idea how much of HIS budget was being spent on PLAYERS HE WANTED. Utter nonsense, of course he knew and he said himself he has final say on all transfers. Now, things have changed considerably since Moodygate but the manager still knows how much of his budget is being spent and if he thinks the player is worth it.

Where have I said that?

I simply said Malky did NOT negotiate the players contracts and he did NOT negotiate the fee between clubs. Of course he was aware of the figures that were discussed. If he felt it was worth it then he gave the nod.

Same with OGS. He had a list of players yet if the deal that was brokered was too rich then he would pull the plug if these figures ate into the budget set. I haven't been told how it is under OGS but again I would highly doubt if it is OGS himself personally negotiating the fees and contract values.

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@Bodin

Moody did the negotiating (malky kept in loop) then that professor of the clown academy(Lim) just signed everything off willy nilly without really having a clue what it was he was signing. Obviously other directors had access to dealings/paperwork.

Moody did the negotiating (malky kept in loop) then that professor of the clown academy(Lim) just signed everything off willy nilly without really having a clue what it was he was signing. Obviously other directors had access to dealings/paperwork.

Spot on.

Which is why I said initially any bungs would surely be to Moody and not Malky. Moody was the one that brokered the deals and not Malky.

So whay you're saying is, the senior football manager had no idea how much of HIS budget was being spent on PLAYERS HE WANTED. Utter nonsense, of course he knew and he said himself he has final say on all transfers. Now, things have changed considerably since Moodygate but the manager still knows how much of his budget is being spent and if he thinks the player is worth it.

Where have I said that?

I simply said Malky did NOT negotiate the players contracts and he did NOT negotiate the fee between clubs. Of course he was aware of the figures that were discussed. If he felt it was worth it then he gave the nod.

Same with OGS. He had a list of players yet if the deal that was brokered was too rich then he would pull the plug if these figures ate into the budget set. I haven't been told how it is under OGS but again I would highly doubt if it is OGS himself personally negotiating the fees and contract values.

You said "Malky had no say on contracts" you said it in the post before this one I quoted

So any first hand information must have come from a director, legal advisors the player, the player's agent or Moody, Malky and Lim? Anybody outside this loop would have second hand information at best?

Many years back, managers were often involved with players wages, contracts, terms of employment etc. However, with the introduction of agents, the massive amount of money being pumped into the game, the complexity of employment law and contracts, managers became less involved as they had insufficient knowledge to deal with these matters. I was involved in finance (which included Cardiff City) for many years, and players contracts became an issue for club finance experts, solicitors and agents rather than coaches.
While I have no inside knowledge or contacts now, and can only guess what may have happened, I would be surprised if any managers have any major input as far as players contracts are concerned. I doubt whether they would have the time or expertise, and are there mainly to concentrate on the playing side of things rather than working on employment terms and conditions. This is just an opinion based on my involvement quite a while back.