Benefits street

By far the biggest scroungers off the welfare state are employers not the unemployed, so called champions of free market economics who rely on the state through tax credits to subsidise the low wage economy. Unfortunately, the Daily Mail or even publications like the Telegraph will not tell you this, preferring to pedal a myth that it is the unemployed who account for the largest chunk of the welfare bill when in reality it is just a fraction compared to how employers benefit.

You clearly have never run a business and have no idea what it takes.

Lawsuits thrown left right and centre over complete bullshit claims led by the crooked unions, backing workers that are basically untouchable. The company pays out thousands on legal cases, the employee gets it paid for by the state.

Try paying corporation tax.

It works both ways. Your prejudice is just as bad as thinking everyone on benefits is a scrounger.

If it wasn't for small businesses you wouldn't have a job.

Guess that is what a lefty does though isn't it?? Create a class war between people when there isn't one and label one side 'evil'. The majority of business owners are decent people, who have been successful, which obviously leads to the bitter left criticising and punishing them until they are in a gutter.

What a great message to send our young. Don't bother trying hard in school and education, the people who don't do well will just claim you are bringing society down with your success and do everything possible to make everyone 'equal', regardless of effort.

BTW how much tax do you contribute to the economy?. Go on tell me. Then I'll draw up any decent small business and compare them Lets see who 'contributes' more.

I think you have misrepresented what I have tried to say, making it somewhat personal and used it to defend small businesses, which I wasn't trying to attack any way. Large corporations are the main beneficiary of using tax breaks to subsidise poor wages, although it is true that all business has a bigger net gain from the welfare state than the unemployed. What I was trying to say in a nutshell was surely it is contradictory that the champions of neo-liberal economics, (large corporations, MNC's etc), who believe in wages and everything else for that matter being determined by the market, are in fact more than happy to use the state to increase their employees income. I can see the point of tax credits for employees who work for a small business who might not be able to afford increased wages, but the likes of Asda etc are using tax credits and the benevolence of the state in order to depress wages that they could easily afford to pay their employees.

good points and this is why the minimum wage must be raised dramatically,the sooner the better.

good points and this is why the minimum wage must be raised dramatically,the sooner the better.

Yes, wages have suffered for a long time now.

If Carlsberg did politics, greeno13 would be a politician.

Hit's the nail on the head in one paragraph; us working class folk don't need daily mirror, guardian, socialist worker reading sheeple telling us it someones else's fault.

"Guess that is what a lefty does though isn't it?? Create a class war between people when there isn't one and label one side 'evil'. The majority of business owners are decent people, who have been successful, which obviously leads to the bitter left criticising and punishing them until they are in a gutter.

What a great message to send our young. Don't bother trying hard in school and education, the people who don't do well will just claim you are bringing society down with your success and do everything possible to make everyone 'equal', regardless of effort."

The left are in disarray all over the world as the working class are fighting back. The workers united, will never be defeated.

I think you may have been on the Carlsberg or something stronger after that post.

By far the biggest scroungers off the welfare state are employers not the unemployed, so called champions of free market economics who rely on the state through tax credits to subsidise the low wage economy. Unfortunately, the Daily Mail or even publications like the Telegraph will not tell you this, preferring to pedal a myth that it is the unemployed who account for the largest chunk of the welfare bill when in reality it is just a fraction compared to how employers benefit.

Im no dail mail reader, and if you go back through the posts you will note I have nothing against benefits, for those who need them.The old, the sick,the disabled, people who have been unfortunate to lose their jobs and people on low income.Now dont class me as some right wing tory, because im a union man who has worked in heavy industry all his life,my father and grandfather were coal miners and ive voted labour all my life.But after the way tony blair sh@t on the working people of this country and now we have that clown millaband in charge i refuse to vote for them again.My objection with all parties is that the working person in this country gets penalised to a certain extent to subsidise the layabouts we see on this program and in our local communities.People who have never worked, dont intend to work and take what benefits we give them and spend them on fags, booze and in some cases drugs, while their kids go short.My son has lost 2 jobs in the last 18 months but unlike these people he got up off his arse and went looking for other work,retrained and found it.Some of these people are bone idle and a drain on society.As far a business owners go.....dont class small business owners with large blue chip companies.I know many people who have lost their houses trying to keep small companies going because of high tax and poor business rates, as well as having to wait 90 days for money from those large blue chip companies.
Its time to encourage people to work and reward them with better pay and conditions instead of funding the lazy.

By far the biggest scroungers off the welfare state are employers not the unemployed, so called champions of free market economics who rely on the state through tax credits to subsidise the low wage economy. Unfortunately, the Daily Mail or even publications like the Telegraph will not tell you this, preferring to pedal a myth that it is the unemployed who account for the largest chunk of the welfare bill when in reality it is just a fraction compared to how employers benefit.

Im no dail mail reader, and if you go back through the posts you will note I have nothing against benefits, for those who need them.The old, the sick,the disabled, people who have been unfortunate to lose their jobs and people on low income.Now dont class me as some right wing tory, because im a union man who has worked in heavy industry all his life,my father and grandfather were coal miners and ive voted labour all my life.But after the way tony blair sh@t on the working people of this country and now we have that clown millaband in charge i refuse to vote for them again.My objection with all parties is that the working person in this country gets penalised to a certain extent to subsidise the layabouts we see on this program and in our local communities.People who have never worked, dont intend to work and take what benefits we give them and spend them on fags, booze and in some cases drugs, while their kids go short.My son has lost 2 jobs in the last 18 months but unlike these people he got up off his arse and went looking for other work,retrained and found it.Some of these people are bone idle and a drain on society.As far a business owners go.....dont class small business owners with large blue chip companies.I know many people who have lost their houses trying to keep small companies going because of high tax and poor business rates, as well as having to wait 90 days for money from those large blue chip companies.
Its time to encourage people to work and reward them with better pay and conditions instead of funding the lazy.

Some very good points there Denzil, especially regarding the current direction of the Labour Party and since Blair. Also the very tough conditions facing workers today, even those who are qualified, skilled and experienced not just the unskilled, even though unskilled workers will always be a vital component in any economy. Obviously you have experienced yourself the decline in heavy industry in this country, they were hard but often well paid jobs, now we are in a low wage, low skilled economy for the worker, as that documentary on Amazon uncovered before Christmas.

However, just wanted to clarify as I tried to in an above post that I am not trying to demonise small businesses, I understand that it may not always be possible for them to be able to afford wage rises, even cost of living ones. In that situation tax credits paid to their employees to supplement their working wage is a great example of the state, capital and labour working together for the betterment of all. In contrast, organisations such as Asda and Amazon could easily afford to pay their staff a living wage but they chose not to, despite being proponents of free market fundamentalism they chose to sponge off the government and in so doing suck far more out of the welfare state than any layabouts on booze and fags. That is what I object to and that is something that the right wing media will not address.