" Is there any point? "

no i wouldnt if in same position, like the people want to be in div 2 but in blue? why ffs you take what you have and embrace it good or bad may never happen again! waited 51 yrs premier 80yrs fa cup final god how many fans would love to see club do both things?

Because I happen to value our clubs identity far more than a quick foray in the premiership with a lunatic in charge of the club.

What an earth have I got to be bitter about?

I really have no idea... But you are coming across that way. Clutching at straws and getting all upset because we can see that you aren't as good as you lot seem to think you are.

Still, keep trying to "tear those premier league defences apart".....

That's because I'm not you clown

We're so shit we're still above you despite playing in Europe as well as the PL.

It seems to me that I'm not the one who is bitter and clutching at straws over one result

no i wouldnt if in same position, like the people want to be in div 2 but in blue? why ffs you take what you have and embrace it good or bad may never happen again! waited 51 yrs premier 80yrs fa cup final god how many fans would love to see club do both things?

Because I happen to value our clubs identity far more than a quick foray in the premiership with a lunatic in charge of the club.

ahhhh the person who says he doesnt read my drivel?? we are cardiff city that is our identity to the world? if that changes i would agree our identity is gone, until then we are cardiff city afc says so outside ground, on fixture lists ect ect it does not say team in blue???? end of conversation as cant be arsed to argue with an argumentative troll like you!
ps been in div 3 with mad men in charge so whats so different!!

Next season in the championship we should average about 17,000 so there could be about 50% empty seats

Next season in the championship we should average about 17,000 so there could be about 50% empty seats

So you think we'll sell less than 15,000 season tickets in February when they're put on sale? (Allowing for away fans and walk ups to take the capacity up to your 17k guess)

Get real.

We'll shift 25,000 season tickets easily so no need to worry about sub 20k crowds if relegated.

ahhhh the person who says he doesnt read my drivel?? we are cardiff city that is our identity to the world? if that changes i would agree our identity is gone, until then we are cardiff city afc says so outside ground, on fixture lists ect ect it does not say team in blue???? end of conversation as cant be arsed to argue with an argumentative troll like you!
ps been in div 3 with mad men in charge so whats so different!!

You asked a question and I answered it. Our identity is tied up in a number of things. End of conversation as you know I'm right.

That's because I'm not you clown

We're so shit we're still above you despite playing in Europe as well as the PL.

It seems to me that I'm not the one who is bitter and clutching at straws over one result

Why act like you are then? although glad to see that you are finally accepting that you are poor.

The only one clutching at straws is the person desperate to try and prove his team is better, despite losing the chance to directly prove that.

Bitter.

Im a season ticket holder in Ninian stand and two games i couldn't make Arsenal and Sunderland. Arsenal game i was hounded for the ticket,on the other hand Sunderland i couldn't give it away so my seat remained empty!

Annis maybe some of them people had gone away for xmas, maybe others were ill,there has been a bug around.
So many people have other things to do also, I my self like you would love to see us at overflow levels. Also like you, I believe we can still get our 40,000 + but people to day want to see good football and value for there hard earned money .
We all have different ideas of what good football is, and our forum speaks for its self. Since last August we have had 3 wins, ok we did have desire and played with passion but now even that has gone.

I stopped going after 33 years - number of reasons , no standing, cost, that prat Ali deafening me at half time at Ninian, got so bad that I'd go home just before half time, he thought it was funny to play loud jungle music at 3.45 on a saturday afternoon, never mind having a chat about the first half with your mates.

I didnt mind bad football 80's and 90's, you could still have the craic on the terraces, but thats gone also.

Anyway, I would'nt go back, the club sadly is a farce, and football is in a bad place. I look at the red kit, and think that CCFC have been at the end of some bad practical joke.

Mate of mine didnt re-new his ST for this year, been following City since the 60's - had enough, that just about says it all.

That's because I'm not you clown

We're so shit we're still above you despite playing in Europe as well as the PL.

It seems to me that I'm not the one who is bitter and clutching at straws over one result

Why act like you are then? although glad to see that you are finally accepting that you are poor.

The only one clutching at straws is the person desperate to try and prove his team is better, despite losing the chance to directly prove that.

Bitter.

You really aren't too bright are you chuckles dear

That's because I'm not you clown

We're so shit we're still above you despite playing in Europe as well as the PL.

It seems to me that I'm not the one who is bitter and clutching at straws over one result

Why act like you are then? although glad to see that you are finally accepting that you are poor.

The only one clutching at straws is the person desperate to try and prove his team is better, despite losing the chance to directly prove that.

Bitter.

So are you now saying that Cardiff are better than Man City because you beat them?
You really don't have a clue, do you?

So are you now saying that Cardiff are better than Man City because you beat them?
You really don't have a clue, do you?

Read my posts correctly, you obsessive freak.

Annis it's always been that way. In the old old days we got massive attendances,then the club fell by the way side and they dropped off.

When we played Man City in the cup at Ninian Park what was the attendance?
18/19,000 odd, but the games before and after that match?

That's just the way football is, United wouldn't get 78,000 at home games if they were an unsuccessful yo yo team.



Every club has more plastic than die hards when they're successful. Which is why I'd rather have Cardiff Plastics than them plastic somewhere else...

Burnley 16k, Shrewsbury 20k, Barnet 16/17k . I agree, I'd rather have plastics wearing the red top then wearing a manure and the likes kit

So are you now saying that Cardiff are better than Man City because you beat them?
You really don't have a clue, do you?

Read my posts correctly, you obsessive freak.

Bit desperate Chuckles dear.

So are you now saying that Cardiff are better than Man City because you beat them?
You really don't have a clue, do you?

Read my posts correctly, you obsessive freak.

You say that if we had beaten you that would have directly proven that we are better than you. Therefore, surely it must follow that, as you beat Man City, you must be of the opinion that you are better than them. Or does logic work differently on your planet?

You say that if we had beaten you that would have directly proven that we are better than you. Therefore, surely it must follow that, as you beat Man City, you must be of the opinion that you are better than them. Or does logic work differently on your planet?

Again, read my posts fully & then you'll understand... Although with your limited brain capacity, that may not be possible.

I stopped going after 33 years - number of reasons , no standing, cost, that prat Ali deafening me at half time at Ninian, got so bad that I'd go home just before half time, he thought it was funny to play loud jungle music at 3.45 on a saturday afternoon, never mind having a chat about the first half with your mates.

I didnt mind bad football 80's and 90's, you could still have the craic on the terraces, but thats gone also.

Anyway, I would'nt go back, the club sadly is a farce, and football is in a bad place. I look at the red kit, and think that CCFC have been at the end of some bad practical joke.

Absolutely 100% in agreement with you

You say that if we had beaten you that would have directly proven that we are better than you. Therefore, surely it must follow that, as you beat Man City, you must be of the opinion that you are better than them. Or does logic work differently on your planet?

Again, read my posts fully & then you'll understand... Although with your limited brain capacity, that may not be possible.

So why not just cut the childish insults and explain where my logic falls down - if you are able to, of course!

So why not just cut the childish insults and explain where my logic falls down - if you are able to, of course!

Says the guy who claims I'm on a different planet.

As I say, read my posts fully & you will be see. It shouldn't take too long... Even for you. Plus it might give you some time away from threatening Annis with reporting this forum to the authorities (& then pretending not to, until your moderator report was posted! )

So why not just cut the childish insults and explain where my logic falls down - if you are able to, of course!

Says the guy who claims I'm on a different planet.

As I say, read my posts fully & you will be see. It shouldn't take too long... Even for you. Plus it might give you some time away from threatening Annis with reporting this forum to the authorities (& then pretending not to, until your moderator report was posted! )

So I take it from that last post that you are unable to argue against my logic. Once again, you've backed yourself into a corner with your flawed logic and argument and the only possible way to save any sort of face is to post garbage like the above.
Chuckles - you've been Sussed!

So I take it from that last post that you are unable to argue against my logic. Once again, you've backed yourself into a corner with your flawed logic and argument and the only possible way to save any sort of face is to post garbage like the above.
Chuckles - you've been Sussed!

Read my posts again & you'll see that the question you asked was already raised & answered. Now, if you had done that when I suggested the first time, I wouldn't have had to keep suggesting it & make you look extremely silly, or is that sillier?

Have you reported this forum to the relevant authorities yet, because someone was selling a ticket?

So I take it from that last post that you are unable to argue against my logic. Once again, you've backed yourself into a corner with your flawed logic and argument and the only possible way to save any sort of face is to post garbage like the above.
Chuckles - you've been Sussed!

Read my posts again & you'll see that the question you asked was already raised & answered. Now, if you had done that when I suggested the first time, I wouldn't have had to keep suggesting it & make you look extremely silly, or is that sillier?

Have you reported this forum to the relevant authorities yet, because someone was selling a ticket?

Why dont you report him chuckles you have experience in grassing?

So I take it from that last post that you are unable to argue against my logic. Once again, you've backed yourself into a corner with your flawed logic and argument and the only possible way to save any sort of face is to post garbage like the above.
Chuckles - you've been Sussed!

Read my posts again & you'll see that the question you asked was already raised & answered. Now, if you had done that when I suggested the first time, I wouldn't have had to keep suggesting it & make you look extremely silly, or is that sillier?

Have you reported this forum to the relevant authorities yet, because someone was selling a ticket?

As I said before, your logic is flawed. If two teams are above you in the league after 19 games, how can you be better than one of them but not the other ?

As I said before, your logic is flawed. If two teams are above you in the league after 19 games, how can you be better than one of them but not the other ?

No it isn't.

As I said before, your logic is flawed. If two teams are above you in the league after 19 games, how can you be better than one of them but not the other ?

No it isn't.

Then please explain.............

Dear me... You really don't read properly, do you?

I already have.

Dear me... You really don't read properly, do you?

I already have.

Nah I just hate cyber bullies Alex.

You couldn't make it up, Chuckles is the biggest baby when it comes to people insulting him but he's happy to throw insults at everyone else

Dear me... You really don't read properly, do you?

I already have.

Yes, I do read properly, that's why I'm pressing you for an answer.
You admit that Man City are better than you because they are higher in the league, but will not admit that we are better than you despite being higher than you in the league. That is flawed logic.
If your thinking is correct, and we are not better than you, then at what position in the league does the transition from "not better" to "better" take place? 10th, 9th, 8th????? Or higher?