FAO Sian Branson / Jon Candy

Wez you tried to justify the dragon by quoting we had one on the 1927 badge. I have proved to you that the dragon in question had specific links to Cardiff. You then try to justify the dragon as being our national emblem and again if you want to cheer on the dragon then go watch rugby as the dragon has no specific links with Cardiff as it could equally be representative of Swansea.
There is no justification for having a huge dragon on our badge and just in case it has escaped you, this was Tans justification for it and if you agree with him then you must as barking as he is.
"So I say the bluebird was frightened by other symbols, other people have much bigger and stronger symbols, all kinds of symbols, the ram, what not, what not. You know I am a new football fan so I don't know all the symbols they use, but I say the bluebird symbol was frightened by the other symbols. Then came the strong dragon, the dragon protect the bluebird and the bluebird still remains there underneath the red dragon and the bluebird teach the red dragon how to fly higher, so the red dragon works together with the bluebird."

What depresses me is the holyier than thou BU trying to tell others what to think and do.

But you say nothing about the holyier than though Tan dictating red to the fans and team selections to Malky.

Tan owns the club. He can dictate.

And face the cosequences then

I know, prem football, top class players, debt free eventually, new training facilities. etc

It would be nice if we were Tan free also.

BU needs to make an announcement to make things more clear. They are getting a lot of abuse for certain things, and it's just because personal opinions of certain members are being passed on as the official motive of BU.

BU needs to make an announcement to make things more clear. They are getting a lot of abuse for certain things, and it's just because personal opinions of certain members are being passed on as the official motive of BU.

Spot on, that is why I asked this question

Can you say as BU committee members If the BU are happy to have Tan own Cardiff City as long as he changes us back to Blue, or do the BU want him out of Cardiff City. There is so much being said at the moment I'm sure lots of fans would like to know what the BU stance is on this

Personally, I believe Tan has done many good things for the club, and certainly a few months ago I would have said a change back to blue and reinstating the badge would have gone a long way to winning me back over.

However as time as gone on the more stories that come out about interferring with the actual football side of things, such as the replacement of Moody with the 23 year old friend of the family, the suggestions of substitutions to Malky, going into the dressing room at half time etc, etc then the more I lean towards wanting Tan out. Also who knows what further stories haven't come out yet!

I guess the point I'm trying to make is this is a 'fluid' situation, we are still waiting for the debt to be converted to share equity as well, but certainly at this moment in time, I personally am leaning towards Tan out.

This really should not be about personal opinions as we would never all agree on absolutely everything, there will always be vary degrees of opinion across the group and all we can do is try and reflect the general concensus of those opinions.

this isnt difficult,there are two defined groups of pro blues,those who just want the blue back.those that want more,tan out,more consultation or whatever. to keep ALL the blues under a UNITE banner it stands to reason you should have stuck with the common ground.blue bluebirds and Cardiff City. tan out is a big issue, and for BU to be credible,it should at least have an official stance on it.

What depresses me is the holyier than thou BU trying to tell others what to think and do.

But you say nothing about the holyier than though Tan dictating red to the fans and team selections to Malky.

Tan owns the club. He can dictate.

And face the cosequences then

I know, prem football, top class players, debt free eventually, new training facilities. etc

Sad eh?

Still, keep banging the drum, it makes Tan even more deaf.

And you still feel like you are watching the same club?

No, the club has progressed.
New ground and top flight football.
Do I want to back down the leagues and crap football?
No.

What depresses me is the holyier than thou BU trying to tell others what to think and do.

But you say nothing about the holyier than though Tan dictating red to the fans and team selections to Malky.

Tan owns the club. He can dictate.

And face the cosequences then

I know, prem football, top class players, debt free eventually, new training facilities. etc

Sad eh?

Still, keep banging the drum, it makes Tan even more deaf.

And you still feel like you are watching the same club?

No, the club has progressed.
New ground and top flight football.
Do I want to back down the leagues and crap football?
No.

He's talking about the identity of the club

What depresses me is the holyier than thou BU trying to tell others what to think and do.

But you say nothing about the holyier than though Tan dictating red to the fans and team selections to Malky.

Tan owns the club. He can dictate.

And face the cosequences then

I know, prem football, top class players, debt free eventually, new training facilities. etc

It would be nice if we were Tan free also.

I agree, but no-one has the cash to put in that he has.

What depresses me is the holyier than thou BU trying to tell others what to think and do.

But you say nothing about the holyier than though Tan dictating red to the fans and team selections to Malky.

Tan owns the club. He can dictate.

And face the cosequences then

I know, prem football, top class players, debt free eventually, new training facilities. etc

Sad eh?

Still, keep banging the drum, it makes Tan even more deaf.

And you still feel like you are watching the same club?

No, the club has progressed.
New ground and top flight football.
Do I want to back down the leagues and crap football?
No.

The club progressed massively between 2002 and 2012, but it was always recogniseable as Cardiff City. That isn't the case now.

What depresses me is the holyier than thou BU trying to tell others what to think and do.

But you say nothing about the holyier than though Tan dictating red to the fans and team selections to Malky.

Tan owns the club. He can dictate.

And face the cosequences then

I know, prem football, top class players, debt free eventually, new training facilities. etc

Sad eh?

Still, keep banging the drum, it makes Tan even more deaf.

And you still feel like you are watching the same club?

No, the club has progressed.
New ground and top flight football.
Do I want to back down the leagues and crap football?
No.

He's talking about the identity of the club

I know, it has changed in many ways. It is still Cardiff City to me though.
Don't like the red, but I can live with it. It is not the be all and end all in life, I have far more impotant things to do than protest about someone who will not change his mind.
Have a good march though.

We are not up for sale yet so no owners are being sought at this time but heres hoping.

Will you be at the game on Sunday?

If so, you are obviously not as committed to your cause as you'd have us believe

If not (and you no longer buy tickets or merchandise of any sort) I take my hat off to you

Which is it??

Fans shouldn't boycott just because they don't like the owner.

What depresses me is the holyier than thou BU trying to tell others what to think and do.

But you say nothing about the holyier than though Tan dictating red to the fans and team selections to Malky.

Tan owns the club. He can dictate.

And face the cosequences then

I know, prem football, top class players, debt free eventually, new training facilities. etc

Sad eh?

Still, keep banging the drum, it makes Tan even more deaf.

And you still feel like you are watching the same club?

do you go down,have you got a season ticket

Barnett you couldnt walk from the castle to revs let alone the castle to the ccs

he prob change his mind 20 times brfore he hit revs

What depresses me is the holyier than thou BU trying to tell others what to think and do.

But you say nothing about the holyier than though Tan dictating red to the fans and team selections to Malky.

Tan owns the club. He can dictate.

And face the cosequences then

I know, prem football, top class players, debt free eventually, new training facilities. etc

Sad eh?

Still, keep banging the drum, it makes Tan even more deaf.

And you still feel like you are watching the same club?

No, the club has progressed.
New ground and top flight football.
Do I want to back down the leagues and crap football?
No.

He's talking about the identity of the club

I know, it has changed in many ways. It is still Cardiff City to me though.
Don't like the red, but I can live with it. It is not the be all and end all in life, I have far more impotant things to do than protest about someone who will not change his mind.
Have a good march though.

Thank you

Read your posts. You are slagging them off.

If you are pro Tan, that's fine. Many pro Blues are happy with Tan aside.

There are plenty of bu supporters slagging off people who don't want to express support for bu.
Your attitude along with there's is hypocracy at its best! Buying tickets is supporting tan. However you want to dress it up.
I don't care about colour my stance is well documented . And wouldn't give bu time of day with children like you and the other bu members on this forum posting the same continuous attacks on city fans, just because they won't come out and support bu! For your info I am city supporter of 42yrs and I am sick of you and others slagging fans like us off, we support ccfc not a colour!

You realise it's you slagging people off, right?

Ffs you don't have a clue? You will never see me dictating to others about what they should wear ect like bu supporters are doing.
Your the ones slagging off fans who won't condem tan, it's on lots of posts lately. I just dont care about colour like lots of fans don't, where am I slagging fans off? ? Just said sick of bu supporters ramming same crap down our throats. Trouble with you lot is you cannot accept fans are not bothered about colours! You won't find one person who supports red on here. But all support ccfc same as you do! Right?

Barnett you couldnt walk from the castle to revs let alone the castle to the ccs

he prob change his mind 20 times brfore he hit revs

Sorry for this but f**k bu,who do think is going to keep us afloat if tan goes ffs

I sick to the death of this false claim.it's been aimed at me on several occasions.

So I ask with all respect and courtesy anyone who feels that they are "Pro Blue" as you call them and have been abused for the single and sole purpose on that fact to prove this.
I do not mean disputes about Rebrand or BU or KCB.
I mean a post or remark aimed at you just because you're blue.

I am willing to ignore the fact that some of the people who have thrown this at me have been pro posters in telling fans not to wear red and telling them how to raise their children.

This is your platform to back up what you claim...

Look forward to reading your response,

Antony( a Pro Cardiff City .)

Read your posts. You are slagging them off.

If you are pro Tan, that's fine. Many pro Blues are happy with Tan aside.

There are plenty of bu supporters slagging off people who don't want to express support for bu.
Your attitude along with there's is hypocracy at its best! Buying tickets is supporting tan. However you want to dress it up.
I don't care about colour my stance is well documented . And wouldn't give bu time of day with children like you and the other bu members on this forum posting the same continuous attacks on city fans, just because they won't come out and support bu! For your info I am city supporter of 42yrs and I am sick of you and others slagging fans like us off, we support ccfc not a colour!

You realise it's you slagging people off, right?

Ffs you don't have a clue? You will never see me dictating to others about what they should wear ect like bu supporters are doing.
Your the ones slagging off fans who won't condem tan, it's on lots of posts lately. I just dont care about colour like lots of fans don't, where am I slagging fans off? ? Just said sick of bu supporters ramming same crap down our throats. Trouble with you lot is you cannot accept fans are not bothered about colours! You won't find one person who supports red on here. But all support ccfc same as you do! Right?

Excuse me, I am more than happy for Tan to stay if he respects the club's identity more.

I appreciate you like a rant and the sound of your own voice, but the point is that not everyone who is pro blue is anti tan.

Do you get that? I'm not sure how else I can explain it to you? Do you speak other languages?

Again, not everyone who is pro blue is anti Tan.

What about the abuse some of the non supporting BU/KCB or other protests have had?
If you don't support them, then you've sold your soul. You get called a redbird and are enemies to some of those who support BU. Do I need to remind you of the Blackburn "protest" last season?

I have no problems with these sort of groups because they did fight for the right reason (get blue back) now they want Tan out which I will not support.

The abuse goes back and forth between both non supporting BU etc and BU members so don't play the victim.

Didn't have a problem with BU but it is just how they are run.

Spot on post, like the majority of fans I will support the club as well as the team. It's about time people realised what a great future this club now has if handled the right way and started to appreciate the great things Tan has done for our club.

Having a protest march calling for him to go is futile as Tan is not going to change his mind after investing all that money. If anything I think fans will need to prepare themselves for future changes where some on this forum will have to make the decision whether they will ever go and set foot in the stadium again.

How far would you be prepared go go ?!

What depresses me is the holyier than thou BU trying to tell others what to think and do.

But you say nothing about the holyier than though Tan dictating red to the fans and team selections to Malky.

Read your posts. You are slagging them off.

If you are pro Tan, that's fine. Many pro Blues are happy with Tan aside.

There are plenty of bu supporters slagging off people who don't want to express support for bu.
Your attitude along with there's is hypocracy at its best! Buying tickets is supporting tan. However you want to dress it up.
I don't care about colour my stance is well documented . And wouldn't give bu time of day with children like you and the other bu members on this forum posting the same continuous attacks on city fans, just because they won't come out and support bu! For your info I am city supporter of 42yrs and I am sick of you and others slagging fans like us off, we support ccfc not a colour!

You realise it's you slagging people off, right?

Ffs you don't have a clue? You will never see me dictating to others about what they should wear ect like bu supporters are doing.
Your the ones slagging off fans who won't condem tan, it's on lots of posts lately. I just dont care about colour like lots of fans don't, where am I slagging fans off? ? Just said sick of bu supporters ramming same crap down our throats. Trouble with you lot is you cannot accept fans are not bothered about colours! You won't find one person who supports red on here. But all support ccfc same as you do! Right?

Excuse me, I am more than happy for Tan to stay if he respects the club's identity more.

I appreciate you like a rant and the sound of your own voice, but the point is that not everyone who is pro blue is anti tan.

Do you get that? I'm not sure how else I can explain it to you? Do you speak other languages?

Again, not everyone who is pro blue is anti Tan.

I'm sure he'll be happy to know that.
He don't care what anyone thinks.
You will not change his mind. He holds all the aces and has dug his heels in.

Can you say as BU committee members If the BU are happy to have Tan own Cardiff City as long as he changes us back to Blue, or do the BU want him out of Cardiff City. There is so much being said at the moment I'm sure lots of fans would like to know what the BU stance is on this

we want Tan out,we are disgusted by the red bully brigade, we want our blue back, our big bluebird,we want a say in the club, us and the trust Tim have joined together to march on Tan, see ya Sunday

Mushroom.

What about the abuse some of the non supporting BU/KCB or other protests have had?
If you don't support them, then you've sold your soul. You get called a redbird and are enemies to some of those who support BU. Do I need to remind you of the Blackburn "protest" last season?

I have no problems with these sort of groups because they did fight for the right reason (get blue back) now they want Tan out which I will not support.

The abuse goes back and forth between both non supporting BU etc and BU members so don't play the victim.

Didn't have a problem with BU but it is just how they are run.

Spot on post, like the majority of fans I will support the club as well as the team. It's about time people realised what a great future this club now has if handled the right way and started to appreciate the great things Tan has done for our club.

Having a protest march calling for him to go is futile as Tan is not going to change his mind after investing all that money. If anything I think fans will need to prepare themselves for future changes where some on this forum will have to make the decision whether they will ever go and set foot in the stadium again.

How far would you be prepared go go ?!

I will answer this by just saying I will never stop going to watch the team I have supported since my father took me to my first game when I was 6 nearly 50 years ago. You can make of this as you wish. I will try and make this clear it's not about the colour, yes I have a collection of blue shirts but also have a very nice collection of red as well now. If the owners change the kit to green then I will also buy them. THIS DOES NOT MAKE ME A LESSER FAN THAN ANYONE ELSE ON THIS BOARD.
By the way 2-0 to us on Sunday.

Bluebird37

Are you upset that Tan has disregarded your personal choice on certain issues?

Would it not be a tad bit hypocritical for you to do the same to fellow Fans by telling them what to wear and how to raise their children?

The only persons opinion who I would take on a BU issue is from Sian or John Candy.

Both who seem to understand the freedom of choice.

Bluebird37

Are you upset that Tan has disregarded your personal choice on certain issues?

Would it not be a tad bit hypocritical for you to do the same to fellow Fans by telling them what to wear and how to raise their children?

The only persons opinion who I would take on a BU issue is from Sian or John Candy.

Both who seem to understand the freedom of choice.

Rumour is he is a little 14 year old boy called Ellis Mushroom.

What about the abuse some of the non supporting BU/KCB or other protests have had?
If you don't support them, then you've sold your soul. You get called a redbird and are enemies to some of those who support BU. Do I need to remind you of the Blackburn "protest" last season?

I have no problems with these sort of groups because they did fight for the right reason (get blue back) now they want Tan out which I will not support.

The abuse goes back and forth between both non supporting BU etc and BU members so don't play the victim.

Didn't have a problem with BU but it is just how they are run.

Spot on post, like the majority of fans I will support the club as well as the team. It's about time people realised what a great future this club now has if handled the right way and started to appreciate the great things Tan has done for our club.



Having a protest march calling for him to go is futile as Tan is not going to change his mind after investing all that money. If anything I think fans will need to prepare themselves for future changes where some on this forum will have to make the decision whether they will ever go and set foot in the stadium again.

How far would you be prepared go go ?!

I will answer this by just saying I will never stop going to watch the team I have supported since my father took me to my first game when I was 6 nearly 50 years ago. You can make of this as you wish. I will try and make this clear it's not about the colour, yes I have a collection of blue shirts but also have a very nice collection of red as well now. If the owners change the kit to green then I will also buy them. THIS DOES NOT MAKE ME A LESSER FAN THAN ANYONE ELSE ON THIS BOARD.
By the way 2-0 to us on Sunday.

Thank you for being so candid . You certainly are no less a fan than those fighting for what they see as important ! I just cannot give Vincent Tan a free-hand I'm afraid ... as you allude to this rebrand , I fear , is not over !

Anyone who slags the blue off, are not true Cardiff City fans end of !!! They are mainly Johnny come lately premiership at all cost supporters, soon as we are playing Barnet they will be know where to be seen

Anyone who slags the blue off, are not true Cardiff City fans end of !!! They are mainly Johnny come lately premiership at all cost supporters, soon as we are playing Barnet they will be know where to be seen

Who is slagging the blue off

Boring ,keyboard warrior

Says the man abusing others for their opinion. What a hypocrite.